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"Tom Gardner" wrote in message t... "Hawke" wrote in message ... "Tom Gardner" wrote in message t... "azotic" wrote in message ... "Hawke" wrote in message ... Unions make companies cough up a share of the profits for the workers and that comes out of the pockets of shareholders and management. If workers want to share in the profits they can simply become shareholders themselves. Best Regards Tom. Drum roll please! Why should they have to become shareholders to share in the profits? After all it's the workers who make the products and provide the services that creates the profits to begin with. We all know it's not the owners and management who actually produce anything. Workers should profit from what they contribute to the success of the business and without them there is no business. The Hollywood producers just found that out. No writers, no makie money. No workers, no makie money. Owners just don't want to be fair they want the workers to do all the work and give them nothing so they can keep all the profits for themselves. That isn't exactly a secret. It's been going on for centuries. Hawke What's preventing anyone from opening their own enterprise or buying stock in one? Workers are entitled to a paycheck for their time...nothing more. They don't like it, there's the door, they are free to go find a job that pays more. Unions are extortion organizations, nothing more. Workers have no investment at risk, no responsibility for company obligations yet you say they are entitled to profits over and above what is contracted for? Go check the pressure on your home's tires, clueless, socialist DICK!!! Karnac listens to Tom and knows, Tom is an old white man. You ask, how does the great Karnac know this. Because only old white men hold such old fashioned and archaic views. This is what businessmen in 1920 thought. Tom thinks just like them. He has to be old. If not in body then he sure is in mind. The 21st century isn't for him. He's thinking is 100 years behind the times. Which is only one of the reasons why he such a horse's ass. Hawke |
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"Gunner Asch" wrote in message ... On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 03:27:33 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell" wrote: Hawke wrote: Why should they have to become shareholders to share in the profits? After all it's the workers who make the products and provide the services that creates the profits to begin with. We all know it's not the owners and management who actually produce anything. Workers should profit from what they contribute to the success of the business and without them there is no business. The Hollywood producers just found that out. No writers, no makie money. No workers, no makie money. Owners just don't want to be fair they want the workers to do all the work and give them nothing so they can keep all the profits for themselves. That isn't exactly a secret. It's been going on for centuries. Idiot. those workers didn't raise the capital, or spend years building the business, unless it is employee owned. They get what they deserve. No more and no less. Not one of them would take those risks, or they would own a business, not work for it. The workers perform a service, for which they are renumerated at a mutally agreed upon rate. They provide a service for which someone else is willing to pay a certain amount. The Parakeet and the other closet socialists like Millwrong Ron believe that if you pay to get your carpets cleaned, the carpet cleaning company now deserves a financial interest in your house. Fraid not blockhead! But thanks for demonstrating your profound lack of understanding of profit sharing and cooperative ventures. 19th century business point of view is what you are spewing. Modern businesses share profits with the workers. They pay fair wages and provide good working conditions so the workers don't even feel the need to form a union in the first place. The idea that labor can be used like an old rag and thrown away isn't long for this world. Yes they still think like that in China and other backward areas but eventually they will come around. All you have to do is look at professional basketball and you can see what sharing the wealth is about. Before the players union the owners said exactly what you right wing goof balls are saying. They were paying the players a salary and they didn't deserve anything else. Now the union says we want half the money or we don't play. Well, now they get half the money and the owners still make money and so do the players. Why you idiots don't understand how this works is hard to comprehend. You're dummies is about all I can think of. Hawke |
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"Lew Hartswick" wrote in message ... Hawke wrote: After all it's the workers who make the products and provide the services that creates the profits to begin with. I think you are overlooking the fact that there wouldn't be a place to work if the investors hadent put up the money to start the place. Hawke ...lew... Not any more than the fact that there wouldn't be any good or service to profit from if the workers didn't work. Hawke |
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"Greg O" wrote in message m... "Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message ... They voted it out because they realized they had been lied to, and were being screwed by the union. Things they had taken for granted were no longer available like flex time, or being able to work in another department instead of being laid off when the workload changed. No flex time, they had to use time clocks, and were docked for being late. No free meals to celebrate landing new contracts, and no bonus checks. It is funny that I work in a shop with union plumbers, but the rest of the shop is non-union, and looks to stay that way. The union guys are treated like outside hired help, no keys to the shop, company trucks are left at the shop, and when work gets slow, they get laid off. On the other hand us non-union guys have keys, company trucks we drive home, and full use of the shop after hours. Also when work gets slow, the boss keeps us around doing matainance in the shop, what ever it takes to keep us around and a paycheck coming. Greg Who gets better pay and benefits the union or the non union guys? Hawke |
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"Millwright Ron" wrote in message ... On Feb 10, 11:17 am, "Michael A. Terrell" wrote: ATP* wrote: "Millwright Ron" wrote in message ... In the United States today, a worker is fired or discriminated against for trying to form a union every 23 minutes. Unity Millwright Ron www.unionmillwright.com You'd think that guy would get the hint after a while. Impossible. If he were that smart he would have never joined a union. Just plonk the sad, lobotomized ******* and get on with your life. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida ********************* What do you know about a collins r390? Millwright Ron And how about asking him how many times the income of his highest paid worker he makes? As much as he complains about how tough it is for him I doubt he'd trade places with any of his employees. My dad was the same way in his business. He bitched and whined about how little he made and how much the government took from him but he sure made a lot more than anyone that worked for him. Hawke |
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"Hawke" wrote in message ... "Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message ... Millwright Ron wrote: Michael A. Terrell AKA the TV repairman.... Are you still scaming Combat wounded Veterans sellong them worn out computers. I heard that you got black listed a the V.A. hospital More proof that belonging to a union destroys your mind. It's really sad. Not only are your lies extremely lame, you have a poor grasp of the English language. BTW, I am working on becoming a non profit corporation, which means that every detail of the project will be in the public record. That is something a union will never do. Ha, Ha, he's working on becoming a non profit. That's all he'll every be, non profit. Run along you stupid crip and leave the grown ups alone. Hawke Holy crap, man. Do you know how much some of those 501 C3 NPO officials knock down in salaries. Perks. Lunches. Speaking engagements. Free trips to "seminars", usually on golf courses. Dinners. Consultations. Limos. Custom designer clothing with logos of the events. Some of that nonprofit crap is lucrative, and there's no tax accountability at the end of the year. Smart like a fox. Steve |
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Hawke wrote:
And how about asking him how many times the income of his highest paid worker he makes? As much as he complains about how tough it is for him I doubt he'd trade places with any of his employees. My dad was the same way in his business. He bitched and whined about how little he made and how much the government took from him but he sure made a lot more than anyone that worked for him. Hawkie, you're are as clueless as ever. I made more than the union workers at C.E., because all the union jobs were grunt work. When a contract ran out, the employees had to interview for the next contract that was awarded to the company. If there was a gap, they were unemployed. The QA people could be moved from one project to another, because it was a management level job, and non-union. I am now 100% disabled, and have no employees. The US government has declared that I will never be able to work again. Now, tell us all. Could you be any more of a loser? Have you ever had a job, and what kind of work was it? -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
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cavalamb himself wrote:
Michael A. Terrell wrote: *********************************** Mike: Thank you for helping our Veterans. Millwright Ron Vietnam 68,69,70 You're welcome. I did this for several years - back in the Win95-98 era. It was really satisfying to help other vets get up and running and connected via email. Keep on, Michael. It's good work. Richard Thanks. It's better than staring out the window all day, too. Especially, for me, because I'm generally a night owl. ;-) -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
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SteveB wrote:
Holy crap, man. Do you know how much some of those 501 C3 NPO officials knock down in salaries. Perks. Lunches. Speaking engagements. Free trips to "seminars", usually on golf courses. Dinners. Consultations. Limos. Custom designer clothing with logos of the events. Some of that nonprofit crap is lucrative, and there's no tax accountability at the end of the year. Smart like a fox. Then there are non profit corporations that can barely pay the light bill, and no one gets paid. Like most of the local non profit Veteran's groups. Any money left over after expenses goes to support Veteran's retirement homes, and to provide scholarships to low income families to give their kids a chance to go to college. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
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Hawke wrote:
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message ... Millwright Ron wrote: Michael A. Terrell AKA the TV repairman.... Are you still scaming Combat wounded Veterans sellong them worn out computers. I heard that you got black listed a the V.A. hospital More proof that belonging to a union destroys your mind. It's really sad. Not only are your lies extremely lame, you have a poor grasp of the English language. BTW, I am working on becoming a non profit corporation, which means that every detail of the project will be in the public record. That is something a union will never do. Ha, Ha, he's working on becoming a non profit. That's all he'll every be, non profit. Run along you stupid crip and leave the grown ups alone. You just can't keep your lies straight, can you? -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
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Hawke wrote:
"Lew Hartswick" wrote in message ... Hawke wrote: After all it's the workers who make the products and provide the services that creates the profits to begin with. I think you are overlooking the fact that there wouldn't be a place to work if the investors hadent put up the money to start the place. Hawke ...lew... Not any more than the fact that there wouldn't be any good or service to profit from if the workers didn't work. In which case you lazy, greedy, ignorant *******s would starve to death while demanding your share of someone else's hard earned food. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
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Michael A. Terrell wrote:
*********************************** Mike: Thank you for helping our Veterans. Millwright Ron Vietnam 68,69,70 You're welcome. I did this for several years - back in the Win95-98 era. It was really satisfying to help other vets get up and running and connected via email. Keep on, Michael. It's good work. Richard |
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"Hawke" wrote in message
... "Greg O" wrote in message m... "Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message ... They voted it out because they realized they had been lied to, and were being screwed by the union. Things they had taken for granted were no longer available like flex time, or being able to work in another department instead of being laid off when the workload changed. No flex time, they had to use time clocks, and were docked for being late. No free meals to celebrate landing new contracts, and no bonus checks. It is funny that I work in a shop with union plumbers, but the rest of the shop is non-union, and looks to stay that way. The union guys are treated like outside hired help, no keys to the shop, company trucks are left at the shop, and when work gets slow, they get laid off. On the other hand us non-union guys have keys, company trucks we drive home, and full use of the shop after hours. Also when work gets slow, the boss keeps us around doing matainance in the shop, what ever it takes to keep us around and a paycheck coming. Greg Who gets better pay and benefits the union or the non union guys? Hawke For us journeymen, that have been around for a few years, it is a wash. We ran the numbers a year ago and I think the union guys made maybe ~$0.25 an hour more. Not sure of the lower pay scales. One thing is they just signed a new contract so their wages are set for the next 4(?) years, where I am due a raise and usually get a dollar bump so I will be ~$0.75 over the union guys when it happens. In the long run it is so close it is not worth comparing, on reason why our non-union guys don't see any reason to go. Plus the fact the rest of the shop would be a different union, (plumbers, versus sheet metal, similar pay scale), and that union's retirement fund is insolvent! The feds just stepped in and REDUCED the benefit to retiree's, and increased the amount the employer pays in to try save it! None of the local non-union shops are going to the union, in fact 1 or 2 shops have dropped the union, and a couple other shops are thinking of dropping the union too. Greg |
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"Greg O" wrote in message ... "Hawke" wrote in message ... Who gets better pay and benefits the union or the non union guys? Hawke For us journeymen, that have been around for a few years, it is a wash. We ran the numbers a year ago and I think the union guys made maybe ~$0.25 an hour more. Not sure of the lower pay scales. One thing is they just signed a new contract so their wages are set for the next 4(?) years, where I am due a raise and usually get a dollar bump so I will be ~$0.75 over the union guys when it happens. In the long run it is so close it is not worth comparing, on reason why our non-union guys don't see any reason to go. Plus the fact the rest of the shop would be a different union, (plumbers, versus sheet metal, similar pay scale), and that union's retirement fund is insolvent! The feds just stepped in and REDUCED the benefit to retiree's, and increased the amount the employer pays in to try save it! None of the local non-union shops are going to the union, in fact 1 or 2 shops have dropped the union, and a couple other shops are thinking of dropping the union too. Greg in a previous discussion on this topic someone said non-union people are profiting from the past (not insubstantial) sacrifices of previous union members. what do you suppose your pay would be if the union wasn't there or if there never was a union? b.w. |
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"William Wixon" wrote in message
... in a previous discussion on this topic someone said non-union people are profiting from the past (not insubstantial) sacrifices of previous union members. what do you suppose your pay would be if the union wasn't there or if there never was a union? b.w. I don't think the union effects our wages at all. There is very little power in the union in this area. What affects our wages in this area in supply and demand. We have a big problem hiring good people, and when we find one, we like to keep them! We are continually hiring looking for good workers. I get job offers from other companies very often. Some offer more money than I make with this company, but I like it here so I am no hurry to go. I am lead service tech and get to pick and choose my work, plus company truck, company cell phone, come and go when I want, (to a point), so life is pretty comfy right here. Greg |
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"Greg O" wrote in message ... "William Wixon" wrote in message ... in a previous discussion on this topic someone said non-union people are profiting from the past (not insubstantial) sacrifices of previous union members. what do you suppose your pay would be if the union wasn't there or if there never was a union? b.w. I don't think the union effects our wages at all. There is very little power in the union in this area. What affects our wages in this area in supply and demand. We have a big problem hiring good people, and when we find one, we like to keep them! We are continually hiring looking for good workers. I get job offers from other companies very often. Some offer more money than I make with this company, but I like it here so I am no hurry to go. I am lead service tech and get to pick and choose my work, plus company truck, company cell phone, come and go when I want, (to a point), so life is pretty comfy right here. Greg huh. i thought you were going to say "there's no way to tell for sure", or something along those lines. "we'd have to replay all of modern history to see whether or not unions raised the wages of all americans" etc. or something like that, and to see if non-union people have benefited from the substantial sacrifices union workers/organizers have made throughout history. b.w. |
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"William Wixon" wrote in message ... "Greg O" wrote in message ... "William Wixon" wrote in message ... in a previous discussion on this topic someone said non-union people are profiting from the past (not insubstantial) sacrifices of previous union members. what do you suppose your pay would be if the union wasn't there or if there never was a union? b.w. I don't think the union effects our wages at all. There is very little power in the union in this area. What affects our wages in this area in supply and demand. We have a big problem hiring good people, and when we find one, we like to keep them! We are continually hiring looking for good workers. I get job offers from other companies very often. Some offer more money than I make with this company, but I like it here so I am no hurry to go. I am lead service tech and get to pick and choose my work, plus company truck, company cell phone, come and go when I want, (to a point), so life is pretty comfy right here. Greg huh. i thought you were going to say "there's no way to tell for sure", or something along those lines. "we'd have to replay all of modern history to see whether or not unions raised the wages of all americans" etc. or something like that, and to see if non-union people have benefited from the substantial sacrifices union workers/organizers have made throughout history. b.w. Sorry! ;-) Greg |
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Gunner Asch wrote:
On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 10:28:30 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell" wrote: Hawke wrote: And how about asking him how many times the income of his highest paid worker he makes? As much as he complains about how tough it is for him I doubt he'd trade places with any of his employees. My dad was the same way in his business. He bitched and whined about how little he made and how much the government took from him but he sure made a lot more than anyone that worked for him. Hawkie, you're are as clueless as ever. I made more than the union workers at C.E., because all the union jobs were grunt work. When a contract ran out, the employees had to interview for the next contract that was awarded to the company. If there was a gap, they were unemployed. The QA people could be moved from one project to another, because it was a management level job, and non-union. I am now 100% disabled, and have no employees. The US government has declared that I will never be able to work again. Now, tell us all. Could you be any more of a loser? Have you ever had a job, and what kind of work was it? Spitoon cleaner in a dockside whore house? Spitoon in a dockside whore house. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
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Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 12:48:28 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell" wrote: Gunner Asch wrote: On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 10:28:30 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell" wrote: Hawke wrote: And how about asking him how many times the income of his highest paid worker he makes? As much as he complains about how tough it is for him I doubt he'd trade places with any of his employees. My dad was the same way in his business. He bitched and whined about how little he made and how much the government took from him but he sure made a lot more than anyone that worked for him. Hawkie, you're are as clueless as ever. I made more than the union workers at C.E., because all the union jobs were grunt work. When a contract ran out, the employees had to interview for the next contract that was awarded to the company. If there was a gap, they were unemployed. The QA people could be moved from one project to another, because it was a management level job, and non-union. I am now 100% disabled, and have no employees. The US government has declared that I will never be able to work again. Now, tell us all. Could you be any more of a loser? Have you ever had a job, and what kind of work was it? Spitoon cleaner in a dockside whore house? Spitoon in a dockside whore house. LOL! Sloman was rejected for that job, too. He was under qualified. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
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Michael A. Terrell wrote in article ... Hawke wrote: "Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message ... Millwright Ron wrote: Michael A. Terrell AKA the TV repairman.... Are you still scaming Combat wounded Veterans sellong them worn out computers. I heard that you got black listed a the V.A. hospital More proof that belonging to a union destroys your mind. It's really sad. Not only are your lies extremely lame, you have a poor grasp of the English language. BTW, I am working on becoming a non profit corporation, which means that every detail of the project will be in the public record. That is something a union will never do. Ha, Ha, he's working on becoming a non profit. That's all he'll every be, non profit. Run along you stupid crip and leave the grown ups alone. You just can't keep your lies straight, can you? Aw, Tweety Bird is a union man and doesn't have to think. That's what the union is for. It does all the thinking for him that he needs done. |
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Hawke wrote in article ... "Gunner Asch" wrote in message ... On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 03:27:33 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell" wrote: Hawke wrote: Why should they have to become shareholders to share in the profits? After all it's the workers who make the products and provide the services that creates the profits to begin with. We all know it's not the owners and management who actually produce anything. Workers should profit from what they contribute to the success of the business and without them there is no business. The Hollywood producers just found that out. No writers, no makie money. No workers, no makie money. Owners just don't want to be fair they want the workers to do all the work and give them nothing so they can keep all the profits for themselves. That isn't exactly a secret. It's been going on for centuries. Idiot. those workers didn't raise the capital, or spend years building the business, unless it is employee owned. They get what they deserve. No more and no less. Not one of them would take those risks, or they would own a business, not work for it. The workers perform a service, for which they are renumerated at a mutally agreed upon rate. They provide a service for which someone else is willing to pay a certain amount. The Parakeet and the other closet socialists like Millwrong Ron believe that if you pay to get your carpets cleaned, the carpet cleaning company now deserves a financial interest in your house. Fraid not blockhead! But thanks for demonstrating your profound lack of understanding of profit sharing and cooperative ventures. 19th century business point of view is what you are spewing. Modern businesses share profits with the workers. They pay fair wages and provide good working conditions so the workers don't even feel the need to form a union in the first place. The idea that labor can be used like an old rag and thrown away isn't long for this world. Yes they still think like that in China and other backward areas but eventually they will come around. All you have to do is look at professional basketball and you can see what sharing the wealth is about. Before the players union the owners said exactly what you right wing goof balls are saying. They were paying the players a salary and they didn't deserve anything else. Now the union says we want half the money or we don't play. Well, now they get half the money and the owners still make money and so do the players. Why you idiots don't understand how this works is hard to comprehend. You're dummies is about all I can think of. Hawke I have to wonder if you can EVER post something without resorting to the adolescent practice of name-calling. Is it an educational defect of not having a strong enough vocabulary with which to work, or is it simply an extension of one of the union's favorite words, "SCAB!" ? |
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"Tom Gardner" wrote:
that Hawke wrote;---- And you are BOTH wrong (and slightly right) Hawke assumes that management contributes nothing to the process of creating a product, and that is COMPLETE BS. THe assumption however, that workers have no investment at stake, is also hogwash. The fact that you as a manger can completely invalidate that stake at a moments whim, does not make that investment, in time, loyalty, experience and knowledge, any less true. More Hawke isims The Hollywood producers just found that out. No writers, no makie money. No workers, no makie money. And no producers et al NO MONEY EITHER. Owners just don't want to be fair they want the workers to do all the work and give them nothing so they can keep all the profits for themselves. That isn't exactly a secret. And it's no secret at all that the other side wants the same, just in the other direction. What's preventing anyone from opening their own enterprise or buying stock in one? Workers are entitled to a paycheck for their time...nothing more. Then you should expect NOTHING extra out of them. No staying late to finish a rush job. No suggestions for improvement, no innovation, NADA. They don't like it, there's the door, they are free to go find a job that pays more. Unions are extortion organizations, nothing more. By and large, I have to agree. But they have served a purpose, and their threat acts to serve as a counterbalance to the power-mad that would try to run roughshod over the workers. Its all a balance of power thing. jk |
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Some of that nonprofit crap is lucrative, and there's no tax accountability at the end of the year. UH there certainly is accountability. jk |
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Bill wrote:
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in : snip Spitoon in a dockside whore house. Substitute Cassou straw at the local cattle ranch?? Cattle? Son, this is (winning) racehorse country! ;-) -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
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On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 07:47:56 -0600, Bill wrote:
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in : snip Spitoon in a dockside whore house. Substitute Cassou straw at the local cattle ranch?? Bill Gnerk!!!!!!!! ROFLMAO! Gunner "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner |
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"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in
: Bill wrote: "Michael A. Terrell" wrote in : snip Spitoon in a dockside whore house. Substitute Cassou straw at the local cattle ranch?? Cattle? Son, this is (winning) racehorse country! ;-) My appologies, but then again would you really want any chance of contaminating a winning string of dna with substandard dna from the container.... Bill |
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Bill wrote:
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in : Bill wrote: "Michael A. Terrell" wrote in : snip Spitoon in a dockside whore house. Substitute Cassou straw at the local cattle ranch?? Cattle? Son, this is (winning) racehorse country! ;-) My appologies, but then again would you really want any chance of contaminating a winning string of dna with substandard dna from the container.... Why do you think I was asking Tom about steel brushes to de-feather the little freak? ;-) -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
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Hawke wrote: And how about asking him how many times the income of his highest paid worker he makes? As much as he complains about how tough it is for him I doubt he'd trade places with any of his employees. My dad was the same way in his business. He bitched and whined about how little he made and how much the government took from him but he sure made a lot more than anyone that worked for him. Hawkie, you're are as clueless as ever. I made more than the union workers at C.E., because all the union jobs were grunt work. When a contract ran out, the employees had to interview for the next contract that was awarded to the company. If there was a gap, they were unemployed. The QA people could be moved from one project to another, because it was a management level job, and non-union. I am now 100% disabled, and have no employees. The US government has declared that I will never be able to work again. Now, tell us all. Could you be any more of a loser? Have you ever had a job, and what kind of work was it? Spitoon cleaner in a dockside whore house? Let's see, by your own admission you're disabled and by the government's declaration. I'll make a wild guess and say you are receiving some kind of public benefit you need to live on, you don't make diddly squat on your own, and you have nothing in net worth. Then you have the gall, I'd say balls but I know you haven't got any, to call anyone else a loser. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. If you don't qualify as a loser I don't know who would. You're worse than a loser, you're a joke. Crawl back in under your rock. Hawke |
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Hawke wrote:
Let's see, by your own admission you're disabled and by the government's declaration. I'll make a wild guess and say you are receiving some kind of public benefit you need to live on, you don't make diddly squat on your own, and you have nothing in net worth. Then you have the gall, I'd say balls but I know you haven't got any, to call anyone else a loser. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. If you don't qualify as a loser I don't know who would. You're worse than a loser, you're a joke. Crawl back in under your rock. The worst day of my life was better than your whole life. You're just another Sloman wannabe. BTW you sure are fascinated with men's testicles. You need LOTS of help. Maybe if you stepped in front of a freight train, it would help. At the very least you need to throw out that funhouse mirror you keep staring at. -- My sig file can beat up your sig file! |
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Bill wrote:
Substitute Cassou straw at the local cattle ranch?? He would have swallowed it all. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
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