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Unions make companies cough up a share of the profits for
the workers and that comes out of the pockets of shareholders and
management.

If workers want to share in the profits they can simply become

shareholders
themselves.

Best Regards
Tom.

Drum roll please!


Why should they have to become shareholders to share in the profits?

After
all it's the workers who make the products and provide the services that
creates the profits to begin with. We all know it's not the owners and
management who actually produce anything. Workers should profit from

what
they contribute to the success of the business and without them there is

no
business. The Hollywood producers just found that out. No writers, no

makie
money. No workers, no makie money. Owners just don't want to be fair

they
want the workers to do all the work and give them nothing so they can

keep
all the profits for themselves. That isn't exactly a secret. It's been

going
on for centuries.

Hawke



What's preventing anyone from opening their own enterprise or buying stock

in
one? Workers are entitled to a paycheck for their time...nothing more.

They
don't like it, there's the door, they are free to go find a job that pays

more.
Unions are extortion organizations, nothing more. Workers have no

investment at
risk, no responsibility for company obligations yet you say they are

entitled to
profits over and above what is contracted for? Go check the pressure on

your
home's tires, clueless, socialist DICK!!!



Karnac listens to Tom and knows, Tom is an old white man. You ask, how does
the great Karnac know this. Because only old white men hold such old
fashioned and archaic views. This is what businessmen in 1920 thought. Tom
thinks just like them. He has to be old. If not in body then he sure is in
mind. The 21st century isn't for him. He's thinking is 100 years behind the
times. Which is only one of the reasons why he such a horse's ass.

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Hawke wrote:

Why should they have to become shareholders to share in the profits?

After
all it's the workers who make the products and provide the services

that
creates the profits to begin with. We all know it's not the owners and
management who actually produce anything. Workers should profit from

what
they contribute to the success of the business and without them there

is no
business. The Hollywood producers just found that out. No writers, no

makie
money. No workers, no makie money. Owners just don't want to be fair

they
want the workers to do all the work and give them nothing so they can

keep
all the profits for themselves. That isn't exactly a secret. It's been

going
on for centuries.



Idiot. those workers didn't raise the capital, or spend years
building the business, unless it is employee owned. They get what they
deserve. No more and no less. Not one of them would take those risks,
or they would own a business, not work for it.



The workers perform a service, for which they are renumerated at a
mutally agreed upon rate. They provide a service for which someone
else is willing to pay a certain amount.

The Parakeet and the other closet socialists like Millwrong Ron
believe that if you pay to get your carpets cleaned, the carpet
cleaning company now deserves a financial interest in your house.


Fraid not blockhead! But thanks for demonstrating your profound lack of
understanding of profit sharing and cooperative ventures. 19th century
business point of view is what you are spewing. Modern businesses share
profits with the workers. They pay fair wages and provide good working
conditions so the workers don't even feel the need to form a union in the
first place. The idea that labor can be used like an old rag and thrown away
isn't long for this world. Yes they still think like that in China and other
backward areas but eventually they will come around. All you have to do is
look at professional basketball and you can see what sharing the wealth is
about. Before the players union the owners said exactly what you right wing
goof balls are saying. They were paying the players a salary and they didn't
deserve anything else. Now the union says we want half the money or we don't
play. Well, now they get half the money and the owners still make money and
so do the players. Why you idiots don't understand how this works is hard to
comprehend. You're dummies is about all I can think of.

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After
all it's the workers who make the products and provide the services that
creates the profits to begin with.


I think you are overlooking the fact that there wouldn't be a place to
work if the investors hadent put up the money to start the place.

Hawke


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Not any more than the fact that there wouldn't be any good or service to
profit from if the workers didn't work.

Hawke


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They voted it out because they realized they had been lied to, and
were being screwed by the union. Things they had taken for granted were
no longer available like flex time, or being able to work in another
department instead of being laid off when the workload changed. No flex
time, they had to use time clocks, and were docked for being late. No
free meals to celebrate landing new contracts, and no bonus checks.





It is funny that I work in a shop with union plumbers, but the rest of the
shop is non-union, and looks to stay that way. The union guys are treated
like outside hired help, no keys to the shop, company trucks are left at

the
shop, and when work gets slow, they get laid off. On the other hand us
non-union guys have keys, company trucks we drive home, and full use of

the
shop after hours. Also when work gets slow, the boss keeps us around doing
matainance in the shop, what ever it takes to keep us around and a

paycheck
coming.
Greg



Who gets better pay and benefits the union or the non union guys?

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In the United States today, a worker is fired or discriminated against
for trying to form a union every 23 minutes.
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You'd think that guy would get the hint after a while.


Impossible. If he were that smart he would have never joined a union.
Just plonk the sad, lobotomized ******* and get on with your life.

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And how about asking him how many times the income of his highest paid
worker he makes? As much as he complains about how tough it is for him I
doubt he'd trade places with any of his employees. My dad was the same way
in his business. He bitched and whined about how little he made and how much
the government took from him but he sure made a lot more than anyone that
worked for him.

Hawke




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Michael A. Terrell
AKA the TV repairman....
Are you still scaming Combat wounded Veterans sellong them worn out
computers.
I heard that you got black listed a the V.A. hospital



More proof that belonging to a union destroys your mind. It's really
sad. Not only are your lies extremely lame, you have a poor grasp of
the English language.

BTW, I am working on becoming a non profit corporation, which means
that every detail of the project will be in the public record. That is
something a union will never do.



Ha, Ha, he's working on becoming a non profit. That's all he'll every be,
non profit. Run along you stupid crip and leave the grown ups alone.

Hawke


Holy crap, man. Do you know how much some of those 501 C3 NPO officials
knock down in salaries. Perks. Lunches. Speaking engagements. Free trips
to "seminars", usually on golf courses. Dinners. Consultations. Limos.
Custom designer clothing with logos of the events. Some of that nonprofit
crap is lucrative, and there's no tax accountability at the end of the year.

Smart like a fox.

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And how about asking him how many times the income of his highest paid
worker he makes? As much as he complains about how tough it is for him I
doubt he'd trade places with any of his employees. My dad was the same way
in his business. He bitched and whined about how little he made and how much
the government took from him but he sure made a lot more than anyone that
worked for him.



Hawkie, you're are as clueless as ever. I made more than the union
workers at C.E., because all the union jobs were grunt work. When a
contract ran out, the employees had to interview for the next contract
that was awarded to the company. If there was a gap, they were
unemployed. The QA people could be moved from one project to another,
because it was a management level job, and non-union. I am now 100%
disabled, and have no employees. The US government has declared that I
will never be able to work again.


Now, tell us all. Could you be any more of a loser? Have you ever had
a job, and what kind of work was it?


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Thank you for helping our Veterans.
Millwright Ron
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You're welcome.


I did this for several years - back in the Win95-98 era.

It was really satisfying to help other vets get up and running
and connected via email.

Keep on, Michael.
It's good work.

Richard



Thanks. It's better than staring out the window all day, too.
Especially, for me, because I'm generally a night owl. ;-)


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Holy crap, man. Do you know how much some of those 501 C3 NPO officials
knock down in salaries. Perks. Lunches. Speaking engagements. Free trips
to "seminars", usually on golf courses. Dinners. Consultations. Limos.
Custom designer clothing with logos of the events. Some of that nonprofit
crap is lucrative, and there's no tax accountability at the end of the year.

Smart like a fox.



Then there are non profit corporations that can barely pay the light
bill, and no one gets paid. Like most of the local non profit Veteran's
groups. Any money left over after expenses goes to support Veteran's
retirement homes, and to provide scholarships to low income families to
give their kids a chance to go to college.


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Millwright Ron wrote:


Michael A. Terrell
AKA the TV repairman....
Are you still scaming Combat wounded Veterans sellong them worn out
computers.
I heard that you got black listed a the V.A. hospital



More proof that belonging to a union destroys your mind. It's really
sad. Not only are your lies extremely lame, you have a poor grasp of
the English language.

BTW, I am working on becoming a non profit corporation, which means
that every detail of the project will be in the public record. That is
something a union will never do.


Ha, Ha, he's working on becoming a non profit. That's all he'll every be,
non profit. Run along you stupid crip and leave the grown ups alone.



You just can't keep your lies straight, can you?

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After
all it's the workers who make the products and provide the services that
creates the profits to begin with.


I think you are overlooking the fact that there wouldn't be a place to
work if the investors hadent put up the money to start the place.

Hawke


...lew...


Not any more than the fact that there wouldn't be any good or service to
profit from if the workers didn't work.



In which case you lazy, greedy, ignorant *******s would starve to
death while demanding your share of someone else's hard earned food.


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You're welcome.


I did this for several years - back in the Win95-98 era.

It was really satisfying to help other vets get up and running
and connected via email.


Keep on, Michael.
It's good work.


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They voted it out because they realized they had been lied to, and
were being screwed by the union. Things they had taken for granted
were
no longer available like flex time, or being able to work in another
department instead of being laid off when the workload changed. No
flex
time, they had to use time clocks, and were docked for being late. No
free meals to celebrate landing new contracts, and no bonus checks.





It is funny that I work in a shop with union plumbers, but the rest of
the
shop is non-union, and looks to stay that way. The union guys are treated
like outside hired help, no keys to the shop, company trucks are left at

the
shop, and when work gets slow, they get laid off. On the other hand us
non-union guys have keys, company trucks we drive home, and full use of

the
shop after hours. Also when work gets slow, the boss keeps us around
doing
matainance in the shop, what ever it takes to keep us around and a

paycheck
coming.
Greg



Who gets better pay and benefits the union or the non union guys?

Hawke



For us journeymen, that have been around for a few years, it is a wash. We
ran the numbers a year ago and I think the union guys made maybe ~$0.25 an
hour more. Not sure of the lower pay scales. One thing is they just signed a
new contract so their wages are set for the next 4(?) years, where I am due
a raise and usually get a dollar bump so I will be ~$0.75 over the union
guys when it happens. In the long run it is so close it is not worth
comparing, on reason why our non-union guys don't see any reason to go. Plus
the fact the rest of the shop would be a different union, (plumbers, versus
sheet metal, similar pay scale), and that union's retirement fund is
insolvent! The feds just stepped in and REDUCED the benefit to retiree's,
and increased the amount the employer pays in to try save it! None of the
local non-union shops are going to the union, in fact 1 or 2 shops have
dropped the union, and a couple other shops are thinking of dropping the
union too.
Greg

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Who gets better pay and benefits the union or the non union guys?

Hawke



For us journeymen, that have been around for a few years, it is a wash. We
ran the numbers a year ago and I think the union guys made maybe ~$0.25 an
hour more. Not sure of the lower pay scales. One thing is they just signed
a new contract so their wages are set for the next 4(?) years, where I am
due a raise and usually get a dollar bump so I will be ~$0.75 over the
union guys when it happens. In the long run it is so close it is not worth
comparing, on reason why our non-union guys don't see any reason to go.
Plus the fact the rest of the shop would be a different union, (plumbers,
versus sheet metal, similar pay scale), and that union's retirement fund
is insolvent! The feds just stepped in and REDUCED the benefit to
retiree's, and increased the amount the employer pays in to try save it!
None of the local non-union shops are going to the union, in fact 1 or 2
shops have dropped the union, and a couple other shops are thinking of
dropping the union too.
Greg


in a previous discussion on this topic someone said non-union people are
profiting from the past (not insubstantial) sacrifices of previous union
members. what do you suppose your pay would be if the union wasn't there or
if there never was a union?

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in a previous discussion on this topic someone said non-union people are
profiting from the past (not insubstantial) sacrifices of previous union
members. what do you suppose your pay would be if the union wasn't there
or if there never was a union?

b.w.


I don't think the union effects our wages at all. There is very little power
in the union in this area. What affects our wages in this area in supply and
demand. We have a big problem hiring good people, and when we find one, we
like to keep them! We are continually hiring looking for good workers.
I get job offers from other companies very often. Some offer more money than
I make with this company, but I like it here so I am no hurry to go. I am
lead service tech and get to pick and choose my work, plus company truck,
company cell phone, come and go when I want, (to a point), so life is pretty
comfy right here.
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in a previous discussion on this topic someone said non-union people are
profiting from the past (not insubstantial) sacrifices of previous union
members. what do you suppose your pay would be if the union wasn't there
or if there never was a union?

b.w.


I don't think the union effects our wages at all. There is very little
power in the union in this area. What affects our wages in this area in
supply and demand. We have a big problem hiring good people, and when we
find one, we like to keep them! We are continually hiring looking for good
workers.
I get job offers from other companies very often. Some offer more money
than I make with this company, but I like it here so I am no hurry to go.
I am lead service tech and get to pick and choose my work, plus company
truck, company cell phone, come and go when I want, (to a point), so life
is pretty comfy right here.
Greg


huh. i thought you were going to say "there's no way to tell for sure", or
something along those lines. "we'd have to replay all of modern history to
see whether or not unions raised the wages of all americans" etc. or
something like that, and to see if non-union people have benefited from the
substantial sacrifices union workers/organizers have made throughout
history.

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in a previous discussion on this topic someone said non-union people are
profiting from the past (not insubstantial) sacrifices of previous union
members. what do you suppose your pay would be if the union wasn't
there or if there never was a union?

b.w.


I don't think the union effects our wages at all. There is very little
power in the union in this area. What affects our wages in this area in
supply and demand. We have a big problem hiring good people, and when we
find one, we like to keep them! We are continually hiring looking for
good workers.
I get job offers from other companies very often. Some offer more money
than I make with this company, but I like it here so I am no hurry to go.
I am lead service tech and get to pick and choose my work, plus company
truck, company cell phone, come and go when I want, (to a point), so life
is pretty comfy right here.
Greg


huh. i thought you were going to say "there's no way to tell for sure",
or something along those lines. "we'd have to replay all of modern
history to see whether or not unions raised the wages of all americans"
etc. or something like that, and to see if non-union people have benefited
from the substantial sacrifices union workers/organizers have made
throughout history.

b.w.

Sorry! ;-)
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Hawke wrote:

And how about asking him how many times the income of his highest paid
worker he makes? As much as he complains about how tough it is for him I
doubt he'd trade places with any of his employees. My dad was the same way
in his business. He bitched and whined about how little he made and how much
the government took from him but he sure made a lot more than anyone that
worked for him.



Hawkie, you're are as clueless as ever. I made more than the union
workers at C.E., because all the union jobs were grunt work. When a
contract ran out, the employees had to interview for the next contract
that was awarded to the company. If there was a gap, they were
unemployed. The QA people could be moved from one project to another,
because it was a management level job, and non-union. I am now 100%
disabled, and have no employees. The US government has declared that I
will never be able to work again.


Now, tell us all. Could you be any more of a loser? Have you ever had
a job, and what kind of work was it?


Spitoon cleaner in a dockside whore house?



Spitoon in a dockside whore house.


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Gunner Asch wrote:

On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 10:28:30 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:

Hawke wrote:

And how about asking him how many times the income of his highest paid
worker he makes? As much as he complains about how tough it is for him I
doubt he'd trade places with any of his employees. My dad was the same way
in his business. He bitched and whined about how little he made and how much
the government took from him but he sure made a lot more than anyone that
worked for him.


Hawkie, you're are as clueless as ever. I made more than the union
workers at C.E., because all the union jobs were grunt work. When a
contract ran out, the employees had to interview for the next contract
that was awarded to the company. If there was a gap, they were
unemployed. The QA people could be moved from one project to another,
because it was a management level job, and non-union. I am now 100%
disabled, and have no employees. The US government has declared that I
will never be able to work again.


Now, tell us all. Could you be any more of a loser? Have you ever had
a job, and what kind of work was it?

Spitoon cleaner in a dockside whore house?



Spitoon in a dockside whore house.


LOL!



Sloman was rejected for that job, too. He was under qualified.


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Michael A. Terrell wrote in article
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Hawke wrote:

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Millwright Ron wrote:


Michael A. Terrell
AKA the TV repairman....
Are you still scaming Combat wounded Veterans sellong them worn out
computers.
I heard that you got black listed a the V.A. hospital


More proof that belonging to a union destroys your mind. It's

really
sad. Not only are your lies extremely lame, you have a poor grasp of
the English language.

BTW, I am working on becoming a non profit corporation, which

means
that every detail of the project will be in the public record. That

is
something a union will never do.


Ha, Ha, he's working on becoming a non profit. That's all he'll every

be,
non profit. Run along you stupid crip and leave the grown ups alone.



You just can't keep your lies straight, can you?




Aw, Tweety Bird is a union man and doesn't have to think.

That's what the union is for.

It does all the thinking for him that he needs done.


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Hawke wrote:

Why should they have to become shareholders to share in the profits?

After
all it's the workers who make the products and provide the services

that
creates the profits to begin with. We all know it's not the owners

and
management who actually produce anything. Workers should profit from

what
they contribute to the success of the business and without them

there
is no
business. The Hollywood producers just found that out. No writers,

no
makie
money. No workers, no makie money. Owners just don't want to be fair

they
want the workers to do all the work and give them nothing so they

can
keep
all the profits for themselves. That isn't exactly a secret. It's

been
going
on for centuries.


Idiot. those workers didn't raise the capital, or spend years
building the business, unless it is employee owned. They get what they
deserve. No more and no less. Not one of them would take those

risks,
or they would own a business, not work for it.



The workers perform a service, for which they are renumerated at a
mutally agreed upon rate. They provide a service for which someone
else is willing to pay a certain amount.

The Parakeet and the other closet socialists like Millwrong Ron
believe that if you pay to get your carpets cleaned, the carpet
cleaning company now deserves a financial interest in your house.


Fraid not blockhead! But thanks for demonstrating your profound lack of
understanding of profit sharing and cooperative ventures. 19th century
business point of view is what you are spewing. Modern businesses share
profits with the workers. They pay fair wages and provide good working
conditions so the workers don't even feel the need to form a union in the
first place. The idea that labor can be used like an old rag and thrown

away
isn't long for this world. Yes they still think like that in China and

other
backward areas but eventually they will come around. All you have to do

is
look at professional basketball and you can see what sharing the wealth

is
about. Before the players union the owners said exactly what you right

wing
goof balls are saying. They were paying the players a salary and they

didn't
deserve anything else. Now the union says we want half the money or we

don't
play. Well, now they get half the money and the owners still make money

and
so do the players. Why you idiots don't understand how this works is hard

to
comprehend. You're dummies is about all I can think of.

Hawke





I have to wonder if you can EVER post something without resorting to the
adolescent practice of name-calling.

Is it an educational defect of not having a strong enough vocabulary with
which to work, or is it simply an extension of one of the union's favorite
words, "SCAB!" ?


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that Hawke wrote;----


And you are BOTH wrong (and slightly right)
Hawke assumes that management contributes nothing to the process of
creating a product, and that is COMPLETE BS.

THe assumption however, that workers have no investment at stake, is
also hogwash. The fact that you as a manger can completely invalidate
that stake at a moments whim, does not make that investment, in time,
loyalty, experience and knowledge, any less true.


More Hawke isims
The Hollywood producers just found that out. No writers, no makie
money. No workers, no makie money.

And no producers et al NO MONEY EITHER.

Owners just don't want to be fair they
want the workers to do all the work and give them nothing so they can keep
all the profits for themselves. That isn't exactly a secret.


And it's no secret at all that the other side wants the same, just in
the other direction.




What's preventing anyone from opening their own enterprise or buying stock in
one? Workers are entitled to a paycheck for their time...nothing more.

Then you should expect NOTHING extra out of them. No staying late to
finish a rush job. No suggestions for improvement, no innovation,
NADA.

They
don't like it, there's the door, they are free to go find a job that pays more.
Unions are extortion organizations, nothing more.

By and large, I have to agree.

But they have served a purpose, and their threat acts to serve as a
counterbalance to the power-mad that would try to run roughshod over
the workers.
Its all a balance of power thing.

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Some of that nonprofit
crap is lucrative, and there's no tax accountability at the end of the year.

UH there certainly is accountability.


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Spitoon in a dockside whore house.



Substitute Cassou straw at the local cattle ranch??

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Spitoon in a dockside whore house.



Substitute Cassou straw at the local cattle ranch??



Cattle? Son, this is (winning) racehorse country! ;-)


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"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in
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Spitoon in a dockside whore house.



Substitute Cassou straw at the local cattle ranch??

Bill



Gnerk!!!!!!!!

ROFLMAO!


Gunner



"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner
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Bill wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in
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Spitoon in a dockside whore house.



Substitute Cassou straw at the local cattle ranch??



Cattle? Son, this is (winning) racehorse country! ;-)



My appologies, but then again would you really want any chance of
contaminating a winning string of dna with substandard dna from the
container....

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Bill wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in
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Spitoon in a dockside whore house.



Substitute Cassou straw at the local cattle ranch??



Cattle? Son, this is (winning) racehorse country! ;-)



My appologies, but then again would you really want any chance of
contaminating a winning string of dna with substandard dna from the
container....



Why do you think I was asking Tom about steel brushes to de-feather
the little freak? ;-)


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Hawke wrote:

And how about asking him how many times the income of his highest

paid
worker he makes? As much as he complains about how tough it is for

him I
doubt he'd trade places with any of his employees. My dad was the

same way
in his business. He bitched and whined about how little he made and

how much
the government took from him but he sure made a lot more than anyone

that
worked for him.


Hawkie, you're are as clueless as ever. I made more than the union
workers at C.E., because all the union jobs were grunt work. When a
contract ran out, the employees had to interview for the next contract
that was awarded to the company. If there was a gap, they were
unemployed. The QA people could be moved from one project to another,
because it was a management level job, and non-union. I am now 100%
disabled, and have no employees. The US government has declared that I
will never be able to work again.


Now, tell us all. Could you be any more of a loser? Have you ever

had
a job, and what kind of work was it?


Spitoon cleaner in a dockside whore house?



Let's see, by your own admission you're disabled and by the government's
declaration. I'll make a wild guess and say you are receiving some kind of
public benefit you need to live on, you don't make diddly squat on your own,
and you have nothing in net worth. Then you have the gall, I'd say balls but
I know you haven't got any, to call anyone else a loser. Talk about the pot
calling the kettle black. If you don't qualify as a loser I don't know who
would. You're worse than a loser, you're a joke. Crawl back in under your
rock.

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Let's see, by your own admission you're disabled and by the government's
declaration. I'll make a wild guess and say you are receiving some kind of
public benefit you need to live on, you don't make diddly squat on your own,
and you have nothing in net worth. Then you have the gall, I'd say balls but
I know you haven't got any, to call anyone else a loser. Talk about the pot
calling the kettle black. If you don't qualify as a loser I don't know who
would. You're worse than a loser, you're a joke. Crawl back in under your
rock.



The worst day of my life was better than your whole life. You're
just another Sloman wannabe.


BTW you sure are fascinated with men's testicles. You need LOTS of
help. Maybe if you stepped in front of a freight train, it would help.
At the very least you need to throw out that funhouse mirror you keep
staring at.


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Substitute Cassou straw at the local cattle ranch??



He would have swallowed it all.


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