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On Jan 29, 11:33*am, Ignoramus1782
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Now sellers will only be able to leave positive feedback.

http://pages.ebay.com/sell/update08/...tml?ov=004KM#2

Feedback Changes
The eBay Feedback system was designed to provide a simple, honest,
accurate record of member experiences. Focusing on customer service
includes doing everything we can to grow customer confidence in our
sellers.

* * * Buyers will only be able to receive positive Feedback.
* * * Positive repeat customer Feedback will count (up to 1 Feedback
from the same buyer per week.)
* * * Feedback more than 12-months old won't count towards your
Feedback percentage.
* * * When a buyer doesn't respond to the Unpaid Item (UPI) process
the negative or neutral Feedback they have left for that transaction
will be removed.
* * * When a member is suspended, all their negative and neutral
Feedback will be removed.
* * * Buyers must wait 3 days before leaving negative or neutral
Feedback for sellers with an established track record, to encourage
communication.
* * * All Feedback must be left within 60 days (compared to 90 days
today) of listing end to encourage timely Feedback and discourage
abuse.
* * * Buyers will be held more accountable when sellers report an
unpaid item or commit other policy violations.


Wondering how sellers are reacting to the recent Ebay changes?

http://blog.auctionbytes.com/cgi-bin...201706775.html
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On 2008-02-01, Bill wrote:


Wes wrote:
Too_Many_Tools wrote:

At serveral surplus locations that I frequent, I note that there is
always a gathering of Ebayers who attempt to scoop up anything
saleable. They are not welcomed by the rest of those who are there to
reuse the items in their shops and more than once I have seen very
heated discussions concerning their practices.

Well in addition to Ebayers there always seems to be those that are
looking
for items for their permanent yard sales.


[ ... ]

People go to auctions to buy stuff. The high bidder gets it. What they
do with it afterwards is really nobodies elses business. If I am buying
something for my shop I spend more on it than I do if I am buying to
resale it. It seems that you are just mad because stuff is going higher
than you want to pay.


I didn't see anything in the quoted material to indicate that
this was an *auction*, just a "surplus location". There are surplus
locations which either have fixed prices on the items for sale, or you
bring them up to the checkout counter, and the person there decides on a
price. If it is too much, you don't buy some or all of it -- or try
haggling. :-)

Enjoy,
DoN.


I used to buy stuff at GSA auctions at the Nevada Test Site. I got some
absolute steals on some things, and saw other things sold for way more than
they were worth. Knowing the value of what you're looking at sure helps,
but not everyone has that ability.

One of my Boy Scouts dad bought bankrupt machinery and industrial items. He
said the trick was to know you had it sold before you even bought it. He
would buy truckloads, taking trash, treasure, and all, and paid pennies on
the dollar.

Steve


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Wes wrote:
Nick Mueller wrote:


Ignoramus1782 wrote:


Now sellers will only be able to leave positive feedback.


But posters like you still get negative feedback for continually posting OT
here.




Nick,

There are a lot of HSM machine tools purchased via Ebay sales in the USA and
Canada. Heck, even the shop owners making chips for a living keep there eye
of for deals on parts and other items.

Wes

No kidding, I'm like the poster boy for eBay. Darn near everything in
my shop
purchased since, say, 1999 has come through eBay, or occasionally a
contact I made through an eBay listing!

I have not tried to sell my product through eBay, but have sold off a
lot of excess gear through them. I also keep an eye on the dumpster at
work, and have sold a bunch of dumpster finds for amazing amounts on eBay.

Jon

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Wes wrote:
Nick Mueller wrote:


Wes wrote:


There are a lot of HSM machine tools purchased via Ebay sales in the USA
and Canada.


And a lot even wear white T-shirts!


Nick




Nick,

I think something got lost in the translation there. Ebay was the pathway
for my Series 1 Bridgeport, the Clausing 6903, Troke 12" rotary table and a
variety of minor stuff. As much as I have issues with Ebay I doubt I'd have
a home shop without them.

My Sheldon 15" lathe was an eBay purchase. it took a lot of work to
rebuild, but in the end it was a VERY worthwhile purchase, and I never
would have found it without eBay. I also got a decent deal on a GREAT
Lincoln square-wave TIG 300 on eBay, a great dividing head, and a whole
bunch of stuff I can't think of right now.

Jon

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Gunner wrote:

Ebay is losing its luster, because of the greed of many sellers.

Im speaking of outragious shipping and handling fees.

Oh yeah, these guys who sell some oddball item for $0.99, but they have
a $49 shipping fee on a 5 Oz item. Very strange, but it is because eBay
charges you to put a reserve price on an auction, and the eBay sale
price fee is based on the SALE price, not counting the shipping. So,
you make the shipping REAL high, and you are basically cheating eBay out
of most of the value of the whole transaction. I'm surprised they
haven't gotten on top of this, but it may be they decided it was
impossible to police entirely electronically. Ie, they don't know how
much something weighs, so their computers can't tell what a reasonable
shipping price would be.

Jon



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Mark Rand wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:32:37 -0600, Ignoramus6796
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On 2008-01-29, Too_Many_Tools wrote:



Ig, what do you think of this new change?


I think that this is not a great change, as it leaves sellers with no
chance to warn others about bad buyers. Some change was due, such as
calculating seller feedback for sold items only, but this one is off
the mark.


What is your overall opinion/experience of Ebay?


I deal with the business and industrial category 95% of the tie, and
like it a lot, was scammed or disappointed only very few times, and
had only very nice buyers.

i




I can't help feeling that the underlying problem has always been that people
(from day one) left positive feedback for ordinary transactions. If the
standard had been neutral feedback, with positive reserved for exceptional
performance, then feedback might actually be worth the electrons it was
written with.

Who cares what you call it! Positive is OK, neutral means there may
have been
some problem, but it was resolved or wasn't really important. And, of
course, negative
means Watch Out!

The idea of no neg feedback for buyers is not a killer, as I don't get
to (or need to) check out my buyers the way I check a seller's feedback
before bidding. But, enough neg feedback is a way to eventually kick a
bad faith bidder off the system. On the other hand, you can file a
PayPal or eBay claim against a bad faith bidder, so maybe that is the
better course. Don't wait for his feedback to go negative, file a case
immediately.

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Carl Byrns wrote:
I would like to see the feedback categories separated- I don't give a damn
about the positives or neutrals- let me quickly see the negatives (most are
petty whining) so I can decide whether or not to do business with an
individual.

Yeah, and it is REAL hard to find the negatives in a snowstorm of positives.

I also look at the feedback of the compaliners, and if they have only
bought 3 items in the last 12 months on eBay, I reduce the value of
their negative feedback by a bit. If they say the item wasn't what they
expected, well their expectations may have been too high. I see a lot
of these. On the other hand, if they say they paid and got nothing,
that is a bad sign for the seller.

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I can't help feeling that the underlying problem has always been that
people
(from day one) left positive feedback for ordinary transactions.



Definitley. Negative feedback is the only useful feedback.

Well, the positive is useful statistically. If some seller has 13,000
positives this month, it tells you they are a HUGE shop, and you can't
expect individual service. There's no point in looking at any
particular one except as a pointer to see what items this seller has
been selling.

http://www.toolhaus.org/
I don't buy anything until I have run the seller here. The new system
will foul that up.


Oh, maybe that is WHY eBay is doing this - they don't want anyone looking
over their shoulders!

Jon

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SteveB wrote:

Bottom line, it's not what it used to be. They don't do enough about EITHER
bad buyers or bad sellers. They had a "We don't give a **** attitude
because we don't have to". And they meant it. Now it has come back to bite
them on the ass.

Had they been stricter on some of the things that went on, I believe they'd
be cruising like they were when they were on top. Now, it would take a long
time for the public to trust them again. Their customer service was
laughable. It took outside suits such as the Tiffany thing to get them to
move at all. Lots of people lost lots of money where they shouldn't have.
In this newsgroup, there were hundreds of posts about look out for this one
and that one. Ebay had to know about it.

Referring to the infamous Al Babin? But, actually it went on LONG
before that. There was the infamous cyberbooks, I think. I got bit by
him, and we had to get the Postal Inspectors to come down on him. When
they told him he either made good or they would cut off his mail
delivery at any address in the US, suddenly a bunch of cashier's checks
came out! That was 1997!

Jon

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Ignoramus19508 wrote:
eBay user base is stagnant, because all people who should have joined,
already joined. Maybe eBay leadership does not understand this
uncomplicated fact.

A while ago, a Wall Street analyst asked a Craigslist executive, what
plans did they have to maximize their profits.

The Craigslist executive's answer was, "we do not have any plans to
maximize our profits".

I found that a little refreshing. Not all companies are concerned with
making as much money as possible.


i


There's this incredibly stupid Business School idiom that to stop
growing is to die. It is amazing how many people believe it. Of
course, for publicly-traded corporations, it is true, because the
imbeciles who run Wall St. demand it, and if you don't show that growth
month after month, your stock will be worth $0.07 a share in no time.
Well, eBay went public, the Whitmans sold their brain child to Wall St.
and bailed, and will go off to Tahiti and live on a sailboat or
something. Good for them, they worked the system and won, but not good
for us who want to use eBay as a useful tool.

Jon



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In article wyQnj.4586$ar6.4134@trnddc07, "Carl Byrns" wrote:

I would like to see the feedback categories separated- I don't give a damn
about the positives or neutrals- let me quickly see the negatives (most are
petty whining) so I can decide whether or not to do business with an
individual.


It's already been done. Not by eBay, but it's been done. Visit
http://www.toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs to see.

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Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.
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On 2008-02-01, Jon Elson wrote:


Ignoramus19508 wrote:
eBay user base is stagnant, because all people who should have joined,
already joined. Maybe eBay leadership does not understand this
uncomplicated fact.

A while ago, a Wall Street analyst asked a Craigslist executive, what
plans did they have to maximize their profits.

The Craigslist executive's answer was, "we do not have any plans to
maximize our profits".

I found that a little refreshing. Not all companies are concerned with
making as much money as possible.


i


There's this incredibly stupid Business School idiom that to stop
growing is to die. It is amazing how many people believe it. Of
course, for publicly-traded corporations, it is true, because the
imbeciles who run Wall St. demand it, and if you don't show that growth
month after month, your stock will be worth $0.07 a share in no time.
Well, eBay went public, the Whitmans sold their brain child to Wall St.
and bailed, and will go off to Tahiti and live on a sailboat or
something. Good for them, they worked the system and won, but not good
for us who want to use eBay as a useful tool.


Very true. Many corporations ended up on corporate graveyard because
they wanted to grow when they should have just worked hard to keep
existing business going.

My feedback is 99.9%, by the way. One neg out of 900 feedbacks.

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Ignoramus31882 wrote:
ting business going.

My feedback is 99.9%, by the way. One neg out of 900 feedbacks.

i


I actually prefer to see some negative feed back on volume sellers
so that you can see how they handle it. Certainly much more
informative, than 1000s of great A++++++++++++++++++++++ crap
that is meaningless.
Neutral ought to mean no one on either side had a problem, sand no one
went the extra mile.



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Ignoramus31882 wrote:
ting business going.

My feedback is 99.9%, by the way. One neg out of 900 feedbacks.

i


I actually prefer to see some negative feed back on volume sellers
so that you can see how they handle it. Certainly much more
informative, than 1000s of great A++++++++++++++++++++++ crap
that is meaningless.
Neutral ought to mean no one on either side had a problem, sand no one
went the extra mile.
jk


When I see 100% positive, it tells me one of two things are happening.
Either this is a really good guy, or this is a person that I can buy from,
start a dispute, and bet that they will more than likely give me the
merchandise rather than have a negative. And then they started removing
them "by mutual agreement" meaning that there's dirt there, but they're not
going to let you see what it was.

BTW, iggy, please explain your negative to illustrate my point. With one
out of 900, the buyer musta been a doozy.

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On 2008-02-05, SteveB wrote:
BTW, iggy, please explain your negative to illustrate my point. With one
out of 900, the buyer musta been a doozy.


Yes and no. There was my fault. I sold some "US navy synchro tester"
of which I had several. They were all similar. All seemed to somehow
operate. They sold for maybe $5 apiece, plus $5 shipping, as no one
really needed them. A guy with feedback of about 9 bought one and the
next thing I knew, I had a neg because the tester had a REJECTED
tag. (US Navy rejected it).

What I know is that the military rejects stuff for all sorts of
reasons.

I gave him a refund, anyway, but was quite upset as I would rather not
get a neg. I am usually liberal with refunds, as they do not occur
often.

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On 2008-02-05, SteveB wrote:
BTW, iggy, please explain your negative to illustrate my point. With one
out of 900, the buyer musta been a doozy.


Yes and no. There was my fault. I sold some "US navy synchro tester"
of which I had several. They were all similar. All seemed to somehow
operate. They sold for maybe $5 apiece, plus $5 shipping, as no one
really needed them. A guy with feedback of about 9 bought one and the
next thing I knew, I had a neg because the tester had a REJECTED
tag. (US Navy rejected it).

What I know is that the military rejects stuff for all sorts of
reasons.

I gave him a refund, anyway, but was quite upset as I would rather not
get a neg. I am usually liberal with refunds, as they do not occur
often.

i


Now. As per my point ........... have you ever given refunds in cases where
you thought you were right just to keep the high %? I don't think this guy
should have negged you either, but you get that with new ebayers who really
don't understand the feedback system.

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On 2008-02-05, SteveB wrote:
BTW, iggy, please explain your negative to illustrate my point. With one
out of 900, the buyer musta been a doozy.


Yes and no. There was my fault. I sold some "US navy synchro tester"
of which I had several. They were all similar. All seemed to somehow
operate. They sold for maybe $5 apiece, plus $5 shipping, as no one
really needed them. A guy with feedback of about 9 bought one and the
next thing I knew, I had a neg because the tester had a REJECTED
tag. (US Navy rejected it).

What I know is that the military rejects stuff for all sorts of
reasons.

I gave him a refund, anyway, but was quite upset as I would rather not
get a neg. I am usually liberal with refunds, as they do not occur
often.

i


Now. As per my point ........... have you ever given refunds in
cases where you thought you were right just to keep the high %?


That has not happened so far. All returns were for defective items
that I did not realize were such. In one instance, the buyer returned
a tapping head that he said was defective and would not reverse. A few
months later, I took it apart and realized that it was simply stuck
due to sitting for too long. But the buyer definitely was acting in
good faith.

Business and industrial buyers are usually nice and reasonable people.

I don't think this guy should have negged you either, but you get
that with new ebayers who really don't understand the feedback
system.


Yes, though I still regret it as I would have given him a refund
without much questioning.

i
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