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Huge changes in eBay feedback
On Jan 29, 11:33*am, Ignoramus1782
wrote: Now sellers will only be able to leave positive feedback. http://pages.ebay.com/sell/update08/...tml?ov=004KM#2 Feedback Changes The eBay Feedback system was designed to provide a simple, honest, accurate record of member experiences. Focusing on customer service includes doing everything we can to grow customer confidence in our sellers. * * * Buyers will only be able to receive positive Feedback. * * * Positive repeat customer Feedback will count (up to 1 Feedback from the same buyer per week.) * * * Feedback more than 12-months old won't count towards your Feedback percentage. * * * When a buyer doesn't respond to the Unpaid Item (UPI) process the negative or neutral Feedback they have left for that transaction will be removed. * * * When a member is suspended, all their negative and neutral Feedback will be removed. * * * Buyers must wait 3 days before leaving negative or neutral Feedback for sellers with an established track record, to encourage communication. * * * All Feedback must be left within 60 days (compared to 90 days today) of listing end to encourage timely Feedback and discourage abuse. * * * Buyers will be held more accountable when sellers report an unpaid item or commit other policy violations. Wondering how sellers are reacting to the recent Ebay changes? http://blog.auctionbytes.com/cgi-bin...201706775.html |
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"DoN. Nichols" wrote in message ... On 2008-02-01, Bill wrote: Wes wrote: Too_Many_Tools wrote: At serveral surplus locations that I frequent, I note that there is always a gathering of Ebayers who attempt to scoop up anything saleable. They are not welcomed by the rest of those who are there to reuse the items in their shops and more than once I have seen very heated discussions concerning their practices. Well in addition to Ebayers there always seems to be those that are looking for items for their permanent yard sales. [ ... ] People go to auctions to buy stuff. The high bidder gets it. What they do with it afterwards is really nobodies elses business. If I am buying something for my shop I spend more on it than I do if I am buying to resale it. It seems that you are just mad because stuff is going higher than you want to pay. I didn't see anything in the quoted material to indicate that this was an *auction*, just a "surplus location". There are surplus locations which either have fixed prices on the items for sale, or you bring them up to the checkout counter, and the person there decides on a price. If it is too much, you don't buy some or all of it -- or try haggling. :-) Enjoy, DoN. I used to buy stuff at GSA auctions at the Nevada Test Site. I got some absolute steals on some things, and saw other things sold for way more than they were worth. Knowing the value of what you're looking at sure helps, but not everyone has that ability. One of my Boy Scouts dad bought bankrupt machinery and industrial items. He said the trick was to know you had it sold before you even bought it. He would buy truckloads, taking trash, treasure, and all, and paid pennies on the dollar. Steve |
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Wes wrote: Nick Mueller wrote: Ignoramus1782 wrote: Now sellers will only be able to leave positive feedback. But posters like you still get negative feedback for continually posting OT here. Nick, There are a lot of HSM machine tools purchased via Ebay sales in the USA and Canada. Heck, even the shop owners making chips for a living keep there eye of for deals on parts and other items. Wes No kidding, I'm like the poster boy for eBay. Darn near everything in my shop purchased since, say, 1999 has come through eBay, or occasionally a contact I made through an eBay listing! I have not tried to sell my product through eBay, but have sold off a lot of excess gear through them. I also keep an eye on the dumpster at work, and have sold a bunch of dumpster finds for amazing amounts on eBay. Jon |
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Wes wrote: Nick Mueller wrote: Wes wrote: There are a lot of HSM machine tools purchased via Ebay sales in the USA and Canada. And a lot even wear white T-shirts! Nick Nick, I think something got lost in the translation there. Ebay was the pathway for my Series 1 Bridgeport, the Clausing 6903, Troke 12" rotary table and a variety of minor stuff. As much as I have issues with Ebay I doubt I'd have a home shop without them. My Sheldon 15" lathe was an eBay purchase. it took a lot of work to rebuild, but in the end it was a VERY worthwhile purchase, and I never would have found it without eBay. I also got a decent deal on a GREAT Lincoln square-wave TIG 300 on eBay, a great dividing head, and a whole bunch of stuff I can't think of right now. Jon |
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Gunner wrote: Ebay is losing its luster, because of the greed of many sellers. Im speaking of outragious shipping and handling fees. Oh yeah, these guys who sell some oddball item for $0.99, but they have a $49 shipping fee on a 5 Oz item. Very strange, but it is because eBay charges you to put a reserve price on an auction, and the eBay sale price fee is based on the SALE price, not counting the shipping. So, you make the shipping REAL high, and you are basically cheating eBay out of most of the value of the whole transaction. I'm surprised they haven't gotten on top of this, but it may be they decided it was impossible to police entirely electronically. Ie, they don't know how much something weighs, so their computers can't tell what a reasonable shipping price would be. Jon |
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Mark Rand wrote: On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:32:37 -0600, Ignoramus6796 wrote: On 2008-01-29, Too_Many_Tools wrote: Ig, what do you think of this new change? I think that this is not a great change, as it leaves sellers with no chance to warn others about bad buyers. Some change was due, such as calculating seller feedback for sold items only, but this one is off the mark. What is your overall opinion/experience of Ebay? I deal with the business and industrial category 95% of the tie, and like it a lot, was scammed or disappointed only very few times, and had only very nice buyers. i I can't help feeling that the underlying problem has always been that people (from day one) left positive feedback for ordinary transactions. If the standard had been neutral feedback, with positive reserved for exceptional performance, then feedback might actually be worth the electrons it was written with. Who cares what you call it! Positive is OK, neutral means there may have been some problem, but it was resolved or wasn't really important. And, of course, negative means Watch Out! The idea of no neg feedback for buyers is not a killer, as I don't get to (or need to) check out my buyers the way I check a seller's feedback before bidding. But, enough neg feedback is a way to eventually kick a bad faith bidder off the system. On the other hand, you can file a PayPal or eBay claim against a bad faith bidder, so maybe that is the better course. Don't wait for his feedback to go negative, file a case immediately. Jon |
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Carl Byrns wrote: I would like to see the feedback categories separated- I don't give a damn about the positives or neutrals- let me quickly see the negatives (most are petty whining) so I can decide whether or not to do business with an individual. Yeah, and it is REAL hard to find the negatives in a snowstorm of positives. I also look at the feedback of the compaliners, and if they have only bought 3 items in the last 12 months on eBay, I reduce the value of their negative feedback by a bit. If they say the item wasn't what they expected, well their expectations may have been too high. I see a lot of these. On the other hand, if they say they paid and got nothing, that is a bad sign for the seller. Jon |
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Stupendous Man wrote: I can't help feeling that the underlying problem has always been that people (from day one) left positive feedback for ordinary transactions. Definitley. Negative feedback is the only useful feedback. Well, the positive is useful statistically. If some seller has 13,000 positives this month, it tells you they are a HUGE shop, and you can't expect individual service. There's no point in looking at any particular one except as a pointer to see what items this seller has been selling. http://www.toolhaus.org/ I don't buy anything until I have run the seller here. The new system will foul that up. Oh, maybe that is WHY eBay is doing this - they don't want anyone looking over their shoulders! Jon |
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SteveB wrote: Bottom line, it's not what it used to be. They don't do enough about EITHER bad buyers or bad sellers. They had a "We don't give a **** attitude because we don't have to". And they meant it. Now it has come back to bite them on the ass. Had they been stricter on some of the things that went on, I believe they'd be cruising like they were when they were on top. Now, it would take a long time for the public to trust them again. Their customer service was laughable. It took outside suits such as the Tiffany thing to get them to move at all. Lots of people lost lots of money where they shouldn't have. In this newsgroup, there were hundreds of posts about look out for this one and that one. Ebay had to know about it. Referring to the infamous Al Babin? But, actually it went on LONG before that. There was the infamous cyberbooks, I think. I got bit by him, and we had to get the Postal Inspectors to come down on him. When they told him he either made good or they would cut off his mail delivery at any address in the US, suddenly a bunch of cashier's checks came out! That was 1997! Jon |
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Ignoramus19508 wrote: eBay user base is stagnant, because all people who should have joined, already joined. Maybe eBay leadership does not understand this uncomplicated fact. A while ago, a Wall Street analyst asked a Craigslist executive, what plans did they have to maximize their profits. The Craigslist executive's answer was, "we do not have any plans to maximize our profits". I found that a little refreshing. Not all companies are concerned with making as much money as possible. i There's this incredibly stupid Business School idiom that to stop growing is to die. It is amazing how many people believe it. Of course, for publicly-traded corporations, it is true, because the imbeciles who run Wall St. demand it, and if you don't show that growth month after month, your stock will be worth $0.07 a share in no time. Well, eBay went public, the Whitmans sold their brain child to Wall St. and bailed, and will go off to Tahiti and live on a sailboat or something. Good for them, they worked the system and won, but not good for us who want to use eBay as a useful tool. Jon |
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In article wyQnj.4586$ar6.4134@trnddc07, "Carl Byrns" wrote:
I would like to see the feedback categories separated- I don't give a damn about the positives or neutrals- let me quickly see the negatives (most are petty whining) so I can decide whether or not to do business with an individual. It's already been done. Not by eBay, but it's been done. Visit http://www.toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs to see. -- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com) It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again. |
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On 2008-02-01, Jon Elson wrote:
Ignoramus19508 wrote: eBay user base is stagnant, because all people who should have joined, already joined. Maybe eBay leadership does not understand this uncomplicated fact. A while ago, a Wall Street analyst asked a Craigslist executive, what plans did they have to maximize their profits. The Craigslist executive's answer was, "we do not have any plans to maximize our profits". I found that a little refreshing. Not all companies are concerned with making as much money as possible. i There's this incredibly stupid Business School idiom that to stop growing is to die. It is amazing how many people believe it. Of course, for publicly-traded corporations, it is true, because the imbeciles who run Wall St. demand it, and if you don't show that growth month after month, your stock will be worth $0.07 a share in no time. Well, eBay went public, the Whitmans sold their brain child to Wall St. and bailed, and will go off to Tahiti and live on a sailboat or something. Good for them, they worked the system and won, but not good for us who want to use eBay as a useful tool. Very true. Many corporations ended up on corporate graveyard because they wanted to grow when they should have just worked hard to keep existing business going. My feedback is 99.9%, by the way. One neg out of 900 feedbacks. i |
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Ignoramus31882 wrote: ting business going. My feedback is 99.9%, by the way. One neg out of 900 feedbacks. i I actually prefer to see some negative feed back on volume sellers so that you can see how they handle it. Certainly much more informative, than 1000s of great A++++++++++++++++++++++ crap that is meaningless. Neutral ought to mean no one on either side had a problem, sand no one went the extra mile. jk |
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"jk" wrote in message ... Ignoramus31882 wrote: ting business going. My feedback is 99.9%, by the way. One neg out of 900 feedbacks. i I actually prefer to see some negative feed back on volume sellers so that you can see how they handle it. Certainly much more informative, than 1000s of great A++++++++++++++++++++++ crap that is meaningless. Neutral ought to mean no one on either side had a problem, sand no one went the extra mile. jk When I see 100% positive, it tells me one of two things are happening. Either this is a really good guy, or this is a person that I can buy from, start a dispute, and bet that they will more than likely give me the merchandise rather than have a negative. And then they started removing them "by mutual agreement" meaning that there's dirt there, but they're not going to let you see what it was. BTW, iggy, please explain your negative to illustrate my point. With one out of 900, the buyer musta been a doozy. Steve |
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On 2008-02-05, SteveB wrote:
BTW, iggy, please explain your negative to illustrate my point. With one out of 900, the buyer musta been a doozy. Yes and no. There was my fault. I sold some "US navy synchro tester" of which I had several. They were all similar. All seemed to somehow operate. They sold for maybe $5 apiece, plus $5 shipping, as no one really needed them. A guy with feedback of about 9 bought one and the next thing I knew, I had a neg because the tester had a REJECTED tag. (US Navy rejected it). What I know is that the military rejects stuff for all sorts of reasons. I gave him a refund, anyway, but was quite upset as I would rather not get a neg. I am usually liberal with refunds, as they do not occur often. i |
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"Ignoramus31218" wrote in message ... On 2008-02-05, SteveB wrote: BTW, iggy, please explain your negative to illustrate my point. With one out of 900, the buyer musta been a doozy. Yes and no. There was my fault. I sold some "US navy synchro tester" of which I had several. They were all similar. All seemed to somehow operate. They sold for maybe $5 apiece, plus $5 shipping, as no one really needed them. A guy with feedback of about 9 bought one and the next thing I knew, I had a neg because the tester had a REJECTED tag. (US Navy rejected it). What I know is that the military rejects stuff for all sorts of reasons. I gave him a refund, anyway, but was quite upset as I would rather not get a neg. I am usually liberal with refunds, as they do not occur often. i Now. As per my point ........... have you ever given refunds in cases where you thought you were right just to keep the high %? I don't think this guy should have negged you either, but you get that with new ebayers who really don't understand the feedback system. Steve |
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On 2008-02-05, SteveB wrote:
"Ignoramus31218" wrote in message ... On 2008-02-05, SteveB wrote: BTW, iggy, please explain your negative to illustrate my point. With one out of 900, the buyer musta been a doozy. Yes and no. There was my fault. I sold some "US navy synchro tester" of which I had several. They were all similar. All seemed to somehow operate. They sold for maybe $5 apiece, plus $5 shipping, as no one really needed them. A guy with feedback of about 9 bought one and the next thing I knew, I had a neg because the tester had a REJECTED tag. (US Navy rejected it). What I know is that the military rejects stuff for all sorts of reasons. I gave him a refund, anyway, but was quite upset as I would rather not get a neg. I am usually liberal with refunds, as they do not occur often. i Now. As per my point ........... have you ever given refunds in cases where you thought you were right just to keep the high %? That has not happened so far. All returns were for defective items that I did not realize were such. In one instance, the buyer returned a tapping head that he said was defective and would not reverse. A few months later, I took it apart and realized that it was simply stuck due to sitting for too long. But the buyer definitely was acting in good faith. Business and industrial buyers are usually nice and reasonable people. I don't think this guy should have negged you either, but you get that with new ebayers who really don't understand the feedback system. Yes, though I still regret it as I would have given him a refund without much questioning. i |
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