--Here's the thing: I've been thinking of getting one of those silly
gasoline powered blenders. Trouble is, they've all got one of those
pull-cords to start the little engine (the tend to be cantankerous too..).
Well, since trying to start a crummy genny a while back I'm now nursing a
torn rotator cuff so pull-starters are a no-no. Has anyone seen plans for a
kick-starter floating around? I'm guessing there's gearing inside to
accelerate a footpedal output to a rotation rate needed to start a small
engine; i.e. it's not a 1-to-1 gearing..

--
"Steamboat Ed" Haas : All the candidates
Hacking the Trailing Edge! : are JERKS!!
www.nmpproducts.com
---Decks a-wash in a sea of words---

steamer wrote:

--Here's the thing: I've been thinking of getting one of those silly
gasoline powered blenders. Trouble is, they've all got one of those
pull-cords to start the little engine (the tend to be cantankerous too..).

(...)

Electric Start!

http://www.smallenginestarters.com/catalog/c4_p1.html

--Winston

On Jan 14, 12:27*pm, steamer wrote:
* * * * --Here's the thing: I've been thinking of getting one of those silly
gasoline powered blenders. Trouble is, they've all got one of those
pull-cords to start the little engine (the tend to be cantankerous too..).
Well, since trying to start a crummy genny a while back I'm now nursing a
torn rotator cuff so pull-starters are a no-no. Has anyone seen plans for a
kick-starter floating around? I'm guessing there's gearing inside to
accelerate a footpedal output to a rotation rate needed to start a small
engine; i.e. it's not a 1-to-1 gearing..

The old maytags used a sector gear on the pedal to drive a pinion on
the crank. At a guess, something like 3 or 4 inches of throw to get
maybe 2 turns of the motor. Maybe you could chop up an automotive
ring gear and weld a section onto an appropriate pedal and add an
adapter to the motor to take the drive gear from the matching
starter. Your pick on how you want to do the ratchet. Alternatively,
maybe a socket adapter and a cordless drill...?
--Glenn Lyford

On Jan 14, 12:27*pm, steamer wrote:
* * * * --Here's the thing: I've been thinking of getting one of those silly
gasoline powered blenders. Trouble is, they've all got one of those
pull-cords to start the little engine (the tend to be cantankerous too..).
Well, since trying to start a crummy genny a while back I'm now nursing a
torn rotator cuff so pull-starters are a no-no. Has anyone seen plans for a
kick-starter floating around? I'm guessing there's gearing inside to
accelerate a footpedal output to a rotation rate needed to start a small
engine; i.e. it's not a 1-to-1 gearing..

--
* * * * "Steamboat Ed" Haas

Could you fit a wind-up recoil starter to it?

A crescent gear and pinion from a car window drive for this application.
JR
Dweller in the cellar


wrote:


The old maytags used a sector gear on the pedal to drive a pinion on
the crank. At a guess, something like 3 or 4 inches of throw to get
maybe 2 turns of the motor. Maybe you could chop up an automotive
ring gear and weld a section onto an appropriate pedal and add an
adapter to the motor to take the drive gear from the matching
starter. Your pick on how you want to do the ratchet. Alternatively,
maybe a socket adapter and a cordless drill...?
--Glenn Lyford

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"I'm sorry, Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that.."

We had some old Briggs and Stratton motors when we were kids that used a
piece of roller chain to engage a small ratcheting sprocket on the
crankshaft's outer end. The kicker had a spring return, so the chain
was well out of the way when inactive. If there's any interest in such
an idea, I could go into more detail off list.
Some of the basic parts are on sale on ebay right now, see:
220191412007. It's not mine.

I googled "briggs and stratton kick start" and got about 5000 hits.

Go to this site to see the one I'm talking about and two or three other
designs, too:

http://www.asecc.com/data/briggs/engnotes.html

Pete Stanaitis

steamer wrote:

--Here's the thing: I've been thinking of getting one of those silly
gasoline powered blenders. Trouble is, they've all got one of those
pull-cords to start the little engine (the tend to be cantankerous too..).
Well, since trying to start a crummy genny a while back I'm now nursing a
torn rotator cuff so pull-starters are a no-no. Has anyone seen plans for a
kick-starter floating around? I'm guessing there's gearing inside to
accelerate a footpedal output to a rotation rate needed to start a small
engine; i.e. it's not a 1-to-1 gearing..

David R. Birch wrote:

(...)

Or you could just use an electric motor and battery to power the blender
directly. But you'd lose all that fun noise.

That could *never* happen.

http://www.boatblender.com/
http://www.overtons.com/modperl/prod...r=view&i=79632
http://www.autobarn.net/vec239.html

Oops.

--Winston

steamer wrote:
--Here's the thing: I've been thinking of getting one of those silly
gasoline powered blenders. Trouble is, they've all got one of those
pull-cords to start the little engine (the tend to be cantankerous too..).
Well, since trying to start a crummy genny a while back I'm now nursing a
torn rotator cuff so pull-starters are a no-no. Has anyone seen plans for a
kick-starter floating around? I'm guessing there's gearing inside to
accelerate a footpedal output to a rotation rate needed to start a small
engine; i.e. it's not a 1-to-1 gearing..

Reminds me of the guys who get paid for feeding birds into jet engines
and making videos of it :-).

Chris

On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 22:57:51 +0000, with neither quill nor qualm,
Christopher Tidy quickly quoth:

steamer wrote:
--Here's the thing: I've been thinking of getting one of those silly
gasoline powered blenders. Trouble is, they've all got one of those
pull-cords to start the little engine (the tend to be cantankerous too..).
Well, since trying to start a crummy genny a while back I'm now nursing a
torn rotator cuff so pull-starters are a no-no. Has anyone seen plans for a
kick-starter floating around? I'm guessing there's gearing inside to
accelerate a footpedal output to a rotation rate needed to start a small
engine; i.e. it's not a 1-to-1 gearing..

Reminds me of the guys who get paid for feeding birds into jet engines
and making videos of it :-).

You reminded me of a joke here, Chris.
--snip--
Those Clever Americans!

The FAA has a device for testing the strength of windshields
on airplanes. They point this thing at the windshield of the
aircraft and shoot a dead chicken at about the speed the air-
craft normally flies at it. If the windshield doesn't break,
it's likely to survive a real collision with a bird during
flight.

The British had recently built a new locomotive that could
pull a train faster than any before it. They were not sure
that its windshield was strong enough so they borrowed the
testing device from the FAA, reset it to approximate the
maximum speed of the locomotive, loaded in the dead chicken,
and fired. The bird went through the windshield, broke the
engineer's chair, and made a major dent in the back wall of
the engine cab.

They were quite surprised with this result, so they asked the
FAA to check the test to see if everything was done correctly.
The FAA checked everything and suggested that they might want
to repeat the test using a thawed chicken.
--snip--

---
Chaos, panic, and disorder--my work here is done.

Larry Jaques wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 22:57:51 +0000, with neither quill nor qualm,
Christopher Tidy quickly quoth:


steamer wrote:

--Here's the thing: I've been thinking of getting one of those silly
gasoline powered blenders. Trouble is, they've all got one of those
pull-cords to start the little engine (the tend to be cantankerous too..).
Well, since trying to start a crummy genny a while back I'm now nursing a
torn rotator cuff so pull-starters are a no-no. Has anyone seen plans for a
kick-starter floating around? I'm guessing there's gearing inside to
accelerate a footpedal output to a rotation rate needed to start a small
engine; i.e. it's not a 1-to-1 gearing..

Reminds me of the guys who get paid for feeding birds into jet engines
and making videos of it :-).


You reminded me of a joke here, Chris.
--snip--
Those Clever Americans!

The FAA has a device for testing the strength of windshields
on airplanes. They point this thing at the windshield of the
aircraft and shoot a dead chicken at about the speed the air-
craft normally flies at it. If the windshield doesn't break,
it's likely to survive a real collision with a bird during
flight.

The British had recently built a new locomotive that could
pull a train faster than any before it. They were not sure
that its windshield was strong enough so they borrowed the
testing device from the FAA, reset it to approximate the
maximum speed of the locomotive, loaded in the dead chicken,
and fired. The bird went through the windshield, broke the
engineer's chair, and made a major dent in the back wall of
the engine cab.

They were quite surprised with this result, so they asked the
FAA to check the test to see if everything was done correctly.
The FAA checked everything and suggested that they might want
to repeat the test using a thawed chicken.
--snip--

There are many variations on that joke. I went to a lecture once by a
guy who did some of this work originally, and he had footage of just
about every kind of bird being fired into an engine. Kind of gory actually!

Chris

On Jan 14, 12:27*pm, steamer wrote:
* * * * --Here's the thing: I've been thinking of getting one of those silly
gasoline powered blenders. Trouble is, they've all got one of those
pull-cords to start the little engine ...
* * * * "Steamboat Ed" Haas

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coffman_engine_starter

Made from an impact wrench and compressed air tank.
You could put an old air conditioner compressor in your vehicle to
pump up the tank.

Jim Wilkins wrote:
Could you fit a wind-up recoil starter to it?
--Hey that's a thought. Like one sees on small model airplane
engines?
--
"Steamboat Ed" Haas : Quando Omni
Hacking the Trailing Edge! : Flunkus Moritati
www.nmpproducts.com
---Decks a-wash in a sea of words---

wrote:
The old maytags used a sector gear on the pedal to drive a pinion on
the crank. At a guess, something like 3 or 4 inches of throw to get
maybe 2 turns of the motor. Maybe you could chop up an automotive
ring gear and weld a section onto an appropriate pedal and add an
adapter to the motor to take the drive gear from the matching
starter. Your pick on how you want to do the ratchet. Alternatively,
maybe a socket adapter and a cordless drill...?
--Glenn Lyford
--Hey I like this! Will most likely do this.
--
"Steamboat Ed" Haas : Quando Omni
Hacking the Trailing Edge! : Flunkus Moritati
www.nmpproducts.com
---Decks a-wash in a sea of words---

On Jan 16, 1:19*pm, steamer wrote:
Jim Wilkins wrote:
Could you fit a wind-up recoil starter to it?

* * * * --Hey that's a thought. Like one sees on small model airplane
engines?
--
* * * * "Steamboat Ed" Haas

I was thinking of a used lawnmower starter.

Could you make the kick starter lever long enough to operate the pull
rope directly?

Jim Wilkins

On 16 Jan 2008 18:21:02 GMT, steamer wrote:

wrote:
The old maytags used a sector gear on the pedal to drive a pinion on
the crank. At a guess, something like 3 or 4 inches of throw to get
maybe 2 turns of the motor. Maybe you could chop up an automotive
ring gear and weld a section onto an appropriate pedal and add an
adapter to the motor to take the drive gear from the matching
starter. Your pick on how you want to do the ratchet. Alternatively,
maybe a socket adapter and a cordless drill...?
--Glenn Lyford
--Hey I like this! Will most likely do this.
Careful or you could tighten the flywheel nut to the point where it
drives the flywheel onto the tapered shaft cracking the flywheel
DAMHIKT.
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada

steamer wrote:
Maybe you could chop up an automotive
ring gear and weld a section onto an appropriate pedal and add an
adapter to the motor to take the drive gear from the matching
starter. Your pick on how you want to do the ratchet. Alternatively,
maybe a socket adapter and a cordless drill...?
--Glenn Lyford



--Hey I like this! Will most likely do this.

This talk of pedals and electric motors sounds a little wimpy. A manly
task requires a manly approach.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiXxC...eature=related

Kevin Gallimore

Jim Wilkins wrote:
Could you make the kick starter lever long enough to operate the pull
rope directly?
--I don't think it would be fast enough. That's why I like the
sector gear-and-pinion approach..
--
"Steamboat Ed" Haas : Quando Omni
Hacking the Trailing Edge! : Flunkus Moritati
www.nmpproducts.com
---Decks a-wash in a sea of words---

On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 22:14:31 -0500, axolotl wrote:
steamer wrote:
Maybe you could chop up an automotive
ring gear and weld a section onto an appropriate pedal and add an
adapter to the motor to take the drive gear from the matching
starter. Your pick on how you want to do the ratchet. Alternatively,
maybe a socket adapter and a cordless drill...?

--Hey I like this! Will most likely do this.

This talk of pedals and electric motors sounds a little wimpy. A manly
task requires a manly approach.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiXxC...eature=related

So, what the hell is electric about starter carts?
( used to work on EB-57s in the USAF. )

Thaks,
Rich