Well, I got the manual from Clausing today and read it. In the
Lubrication Chart, they mention:

"Shell Tonna 33" (which seems to be a way oil),

"Shell Tellus 27" (which seems to be a hydraulic oil),

"Shell Tellus 33" (a heavier hydraulic oil), and

"Shell Alvania 2" (a grease).

These specific lubricants were sold in the 1970s. (The lathe was
manufactured in 1972.) What do people use and recommend instead, these
days?

Joe Gwinn

On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 00:12:10 -0500, Joseph Gwinn
wrote:

Well, I got the manual from Clausing today and read it. In the
Lubrication Chart, they mention:

"Shell Tonna 33" (which seems to be a way oil),

"Shell Tellus 27" (which seems to be a hydraulic oil),

"Shell Tellus 33" (a heavier hydraulic oil), and

"Shell Alvania 2" (a grease).

http://www.farwestoil.com/crossreference.pdf
http://www.anglerindustries.com/imag...Lubricants.pdf
http://www.seversonoil.com/lub_otherway.html
http://www.seversonoil.com/lub_hydraulic.html

--
Ned Simmons

In article ,
Ned Simmons wrote:

On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 00:12:10 -0500, Joseph Gwinn
wrote:

Well, I got the manual from Clausing today and read it. In the
Lubrication Chart, they mention:

"Shell Tonna 33" (which seems to be a way oil),

"Shell Tellus 27" (which seems to be a hydraulic oil),

"Shell Tellus 33" (a heavier hydraulic oil), and

http://www.farwestoil.com/crossreference.pdf
http://www.anglerindustries.com/imag...Lubricants.pdf
http://www.seversonoil.com/lub_otherway.html
http://www.seversonoil.com/lub_hydraulic.html

These are very useful, Thanks.

In my web searching, I came upon some old postings that said that
lubricant numbering schemes (including Shell's) changed since the 1970s,
so the above "27" and "33" are not ISO viscosities (which is what the
current numbers are), so one cannot simply interpolate the 27 and 33 to
the closest current numbers. Is this true? Does anybody have the
old-to-new cross reference?


"Shell Alvania 2" (a grease).

I bet this is just a fancy wheel bearing grease or electric motor
bearing grease. According to Torrington, the replacement is Alvania RL2.


Joe Gwinn

"Joseph Gwinn" wrote in message
...
Well, I got the manual from Clausing today and read it. In the
Lubrication Chart, they mention:

"Shell Tonna 33" (which seems to be a way oil),

"Shell Tellus 27" (which seems to be a hydraulic oil),

"Shell Tellus 33" (a heavier hydraulic oil), and

"Shell Alvania 2" (a grease).

These specific lubricants were sold in the 1970s. (The lathe was
manufactured in 1972.) What do people use and recommend instead, these
days?

I emailed Mobil for suggestions a few years back and got this reply:

"Tonna 33 - Vactra Oil No. 2

Tellus 27 - Hydraulic Oil AW 32, DTE 24, DTE 13M (in that order)

Tellus 33 - Hydraulic Oil AW 68, DTE 26 (in that order)

Alvania 2 - this is an ISO VG 100 base oil lithium soap non-EP grease -
Mobilith SHC 100 is the closest product (Mobilux EP 2 is the closest mineral
oil based lithium soap product but contains EP - extreme pressure
additives)."

I've been using Vactra #2, DTE24 and DTE26 for a few years now with no
problems.

Mike

In article ,
"Mike Henry" wrote:

"Joseph Gwinn" wrote in message
...
Well, I got the manual from Clausing today and read it. In the
Lubrication Chart, they mention:

"Shell Tonna 33" (which seems to be a way oil),

"Shell Tellus 27" (which seems to be a hydraulic oil),

"Shell Tellus 33" (a heavier hydraulic oil), and

"Shell Alvania 2" (a grease).

These specific lubricants were sold in the 1970s. (The lathe was
manufactured in 1972.) What do people use and recommend instead, these
days?

I emailed Mobil for suggestions a few years back and got this reply:

"Tonna 33 - Vactra Oil No. 2

Tellus 27 - Hydraulic Oil AW 32, DTE 24, DTE 13M (in that order)

Tellus 33 - Hydraulic Oil AW 68, DTE 26 (in that order)

Alvania 2 - this is an ISO VG 100 base oil lithium soap non-EP grease -
Mobilith SHC 100 is the closest product (Mobilux EP 2 is the closest mineral
oil based lithium soap product but contains EP - extreme pressure
additives)."

I've been using Vactra #2, DTE24 and DTE26 for a few years now with no
problems.

I still have to keep reminding myself that Clausing isn't dead. I
called them today and asked them what replacements they would recommend,
and they pretty much agree with the Mobil list above.

Specifically, Clausing recommends the following:

Tonna 33 -- Vactra #2

Tellus 27 -- Mobil DTE 24 (I just ordered a gallon of this.)

Tellus 33 -- Mobil DTE 26, although Clausing allowed that lots of people
use DTE 24 and it works OK too.

Alvania 2 -- Mobil LUX 2, which I have not found yet.

Clausing suggested Grainger and MSC as sources of supply. MSC has DTE
24, 25, and 26, but not LUX 2. But Alvania 2 sounds like a good grade
of wheel bearing grease. Maybe the Mobilith SHC 120 will prove easier
to obtain.

Joe Gwinn

Joseph Gwinn wrote:
Well, I got the manual from Clausing today and read it. In the
Lubrication Chart, they mention:

"Shell Tonna 33" (which seems to be a way oil),

"Shell Tellus 27" (which seems to be a hydraulic oil),

"Shell Tellus 33" (a heavier hydraulic oil), and

"Shell Alvania 2" (a grease).

These specific lubricants were sold in the 1970s. (The lathe was
manufactured in 1972.) What do people use and recommend instead, these
days?

Joe Gwinn
Joe

Here's what I use in mine, I got cross reference recommendations from
the Exxon/Mobil lube oil tech guy they use at work (we have a pretty
sophisticated lubrication program for rotating machinery).

Way oil, I use it on the ways and in all the Gits oilers:
Vactra #2

Spindle gear box:
DTE 24 light hydraulic.

Apron:
SCH 630 (I thinks this is a hypoid gear oil)

All the above are Mobil oils, the Vactra #2 and DTE 24 came from MSC.
The SCH 630 came from the local Mobil jobber who had an open 5 gal can
and poured me off a couple quarts because he's a good guy, I think this
might be hard to find in gallons or quarts.

Gear train to quick change box:
Some sort of synthetic grease from a cartridge tube, I don't remember
brand or other specifics, and I think about any decent grease will be fine.

These have worked fine for 5 years so far....

Regards
Paul


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In article ,
Paul wrote:

Joseph Gwinn wrote:
Well, I got the manual from Clausing today and read it. In the
Lubrication Chart, they mention:

"Shell Tonna 33" (which seems to be a way oil),

"Shell Tellus 27" (which seems to be a hydraulic oil),

"Shell Tellus 33" (a heavier hydraulic oil), and

"Shell Alvania 2" (a grease).

These specific lubricants were sold in the 1970s. (The lathe was
manufactured in 1972.) What do people use and recommend instead, these
days?

Joe Gwinn
Joe

Here's what I use in mine, I got cross reference recommendations from
the Exxon/Mobil lube oil tech guy they use at work (we have a pretty
sophisticated lubrication program for rotating machinery).

Way oil, I use it on the ways and in all the Gits oilers:
Vactra #2

Check.


Spindle gear box:
DTE 24 light hydraulic.

Check.


Apron:
SCH 630 (I think this is a hypoid gear oil)

Clausing suggested DTE 26 here, but I bet hypoid oil will work just
fine, although it's far thicker than DTE 26.

Apron? I was thinking the gearbox under the apron. For the apron,
Clausing suggests Vactra #2 for the oil points that feed the ways on the
apron.


All the above are Mobil oils, the Vactra #2 and DTE 24 came from MSC.
The SCH 630 came from the local Mobil jobber who had an open 5 gal can
and poured me off a couple quarts because he's a good guy, I think this
might be hard to find in gallons or quarts.

Gear train to quick change box:
Some sort of synthetic grease from a cartridge tube, I don't remember
brand or other specifics, and I think about any decent grease will be fine.

That's my impression too. I think I'll just see what the local auto
parts store has from a brand I've heard of.


These have worked fine for 5 years so far....

I don't know the history of your lathe, but mine was made in 1972, and
was used in industry for 36 years before falling on hard times and
ending up in a home shop, where the lathe will not get much added use or
wear compared to what it already has accumulated. I bet that any oil of
approximately correct viscosity that doesn't chemically attack anything
in the lathe will do just fine. And any oil is better than no oil.

Joe Gwinn

"Joseph Gwinn" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Mike Henry" wrote:

"Joseph Gwinn" wrote in message
...
Well, I got the manual from Clausing today and read it. In the
Lubrication Chart, they mention:

"Shell Tonna 33" (which seems to be a way oil),

"Shell Tellus 27" (which seems to be a hydraulic oil),

"Shell Tellus 33" (a heavier hydraulic oil), and

"Shell Alvania 2" (a grease).

These specific lubricants were sold in the 1970s. (The lathe was
manufactured in 1972.) What do people use and recommend instead, these
days?

I emailed Mobil for suggestions a few years back and got this reply:

"Tonna 33 - Vactra Oil No. 2

Tellus 27 - Hydraulic Oil AW 32, DTE 24, DTE 13M (in that order)

Tellus 33 - Hydraulic Oil AW 68, DTE 26 (in that order)

Alvania 2 - this is an ISO VG 100 base oil lithium soap non-EP grease -
Mobilith SHC 100 is the closest product (Mobilux EP 2 is the closest
mineral
oil based lithium soap product but contains EP - extreme pressure
additives)."

I've been using Vactra #2, DTE24 and DTE26 for a few years now with no
problems.

I still have to keep reminding myself that Clausing isn't dead. I
called them today and asked them what replacements they would recommend,
and they pretty much agree with the Mobil list above.

Specifically, Clausing recommends the following:

Tonna 33 -- Vactra #2

Tellus 27 -- Mobil DTE 24 (I just ordered a gallon of this.)

Tellus 33 -- Mobil DTE 26, although Clausing allowed that lots of people
use DTE 24 and it works OK too.

Alvania 2 -- Mobil LUX 2, which I have not found yet.

Clausing suggested Grainger and MSC as sources of supply. MSC has DTE
24, 25, and 26, but not LUX 2. But Alvania 2 sounds like a good grade
of wheel bearing grease. Maybe the Mobilith SHC 120 will prove easier
to obtain.

McMaster-Carr is a source for at least some of these lubes, too.

Joseph Gwinn wrote:



Apron:
SCH 630 (I think this is a hypoid gear oil)


Clausing suggested DTE 26 here, but I bet hypoid oil will work just
fine, although it's far thicker than DTE 26.

Apron? I was thinking the gearbox under the apron. For the apron,
Clausing suggests Vactra #2 for the oil points that feed the ways on the
apron.

Well, it's just semantics, but technically the carriage is what rides on
the ways, which are oiled with way oil via the little brass fittings
with the check balls (what I always called 'Gits' fittings, maybe there
is a more proper term). The apron is generally the gearbox on the front
of the carriage with the controls, gearing and clutches for engaging the
long and cross feeds, also the half nuts for cutting screw threads. The
carriage also supports the cross slide, which in turn supports the
compound slide (in machines so equipped).

I just noticed what I called SCH 630 should actually be SHC, oops.





I don't know the history of your lathe, but mine was made in 1972, and
was used in industry for 36 years before falling on hard times and
ending up in a home shop, where the lathe will not get much added use or
wear compared to what it already has accumulated. I bet that any oil of
approximately correct viscosity that doesn't chemically attack anything
in the lathe will do just fine. And any oil is better than no oil.

Joe Gwinn

Mine is 1967 vintage, if I remember correctly. I agree with your view
that the amount of use these machines are now subject to allows one to
be somewhat looser with lubricant selection, but not lubricant application

Regards
Paul



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In article ,
Paul wrote:

Joseph Gwinn wrote:



Apron:
SCH 630 (I think this is a hypoid gear oil)


Clausing suggested DTE 26 here, but I bet hypoid oil will work just
fine, although it's far thicker than DTE 26.

Apron? I was thinking the gearbox under the apron. For the apron,
Clausing suggests Vactra #2 for the oil points that feed the ways on the
apron.

Well, it's just semantics, but technically the carriage is what rides on
the ways, which are oiled with way oil via the little brass fittings
with the check balls (what I always called 'Gits' fittings, maybe there
is a more proper term). The apron is generally the gearbox on the front
of the carriage with the controls, gearing and clutches for engaging the
long and cross feeds, also the half nuts for cutting screw threads. The
carriage also supports the cross slide, which in turn supports the
compound slide (in machines so equipped).

Yeah. After my posting, I found in my 5914 manual that Clausing calls
the part riding on the bed ways the saddle, and the part hanging down in
front and full of gears the apron. So, we are aligned.


I just noticed what I called SCH 630 should actually be SHC, oops.

OK. No wonder I didn't find it.

Someone else suggested McMaster-Carr as a source of lubricants.


I don't know the history of your lathe, but mine was made in 1972, and
was used in industry for 36 years before falling on hard times and
ending up in a home shop, where the lathe will not get much added use or
wear compared to what it already has accumulated. I bet that any oil of
approximately correct viscosity that doesn't chemically attack anything
in the lathe will do just fine. And any oil is better than no oil.

Joe Gwinn

Mine is 1967 vintage, if I remember correctly. I agree with your view
that the amount of use these machines are now subject to allows one to
be somewhat looser with lubricant selection, but not lubricant application

So I can hope that my lathe is the less worn of the two.


Joe Gwinn

What some don't know is the local gas/oil dealer in town - there might be
three or four in large towns - they have oils by all of this.

Depending on where you live - you might have an airport that requires
dozens of oils for the various planes, jets, trucks, etc...
Farms require tons of this and that...

I got mine there - walked in asked for 5 gallons of xx and 10 or yy and 1 of
What no 1 of turbine oil _ ok - I'll buy it from MSC. And I did.

These oil companies have large tanks about the size of a big club chair of
many many oils. They cross reference all the time. I did that for myself
for my hydrologic drives on the surface grinders.

Martin
Martin H. Eastburn
@ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net
TSRA, Endowed; NRA LOH & Patron Member, Golden Eagle, Patriot's Medal.
NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder
IHMSA and NRA Metallic Silhouette maker & member.
http://lufkinced.com/


Joseph Gwinn wrote:
In article ,
"Mike Henry" wrote:

"Joseph Gwinn" wrote in message
...
Well, I got the manual from Clausing today and read it. In the
Lubrication Chart, they mention:

"Shell Tonna 33" (which seems to be a way oil),

"Shell Tellus 27" (which seems to be a hydraulic oil),

"Shell Tellus 33" (a heavier hydraulic oil), and

"Shell Alvania 2" (a grease).

These specific lubricants were sold in the 1970s. (The lathe was
manufactured in 1972.) What do people use and recommend instead, these
days?
I emailed Mobil for suggestions a few years back and got this reply:

"Tonna 33 - Vactra Oil No. 2

Tellus 27 - Hydraulic Oil AW 32, DTE 24, DTE 13M (in that order)

Tellus 33 - Hydraulic Oil AW 68, DTE 26 (in that order)

Alvania 2 - this is an ISO VG 100 base oil lithium soap non-EP grease -
Mobilith SHC 100 is the closest product (Mobilux EP 2 is the closest mineral
oil based lithium soap product but contains EP - extreme pressure
additives)."

I've been using Vactra #2, DTE24 and DTE26 for a few years now with no
problems.

I still have to keep reminding myself that Clausing isn't dead. I
called them today and asked them what replacements they would recommend,
and they pretty much agree with the Mobil list above.

Specifically, Clausing recommends the following:

Tonna 33 -- Vactra #2

Tellus 27 -- Mobil DTE 24 (I just ordered a gallon of this.)

Tellus 33 -- Mobil DTE 26, although Clausing allowed that lots of people
use DTE 24 and it works OK too.

Alvania 2 -- Mobil LUX 2, which I have not found yet.

Clausing suggested Grainger and MSC as sources of supply. MSC has DTE
24, 25, and 26, but not LUX 2. But Alvania 2 sounds like a good grade
of wheel bearing grease. Maybe the Mobilith SHC 120 will prove easier
to obtain.

Joe Gwinn

On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 22:47:24 -0500, Joseph Gwinn wrote:

In article ,
Paul wrote:



Well, it's just semantics, but technically the carriage is what rides on
the ways, which are oiled with way oil via the little brass fittings
with the check balls (what I always called 'Gits' fittings, maybe there
is a more proper term). The apron is generally the gearbox on the front
of the carriage with the controls, gearing and clutches for engaging the
long and cross feeds, also the half nuts for cutting screw threads. The
carriage also supports the cross slide, which in turn supports the
compound slide (in machines so equipped).

Yeah. After my posting, I found in my 5914 manual that Clausing calls
the part riding on the bed ways the saddle, and the part hanging down in
front and full of gears the apron. So, we are aligned.



Specifically the saddle sits on the ways, the apron is bolted to the front of
the saddle and the whole lot is called the carriage.


Mark Rand
RTFM

In article ,
"Martin H. Eastburn" wrote:

What some don't know is the local gas/oil dealer in town - there might be
three or four in large towns - they have oils by all of this.

Depending on where you live - you might have an airport that requires
dozens of oils for the various planes, jets, trucks, etc...
Farms require tons of this and that...

I'm sure that we have all this in the Boston area. But if it's in the
MSC/Grainger/McMaster catalog, it's a whole lot less trouble.


I got mine there - walked in asked for 5 gallons of xx and 10 or yy and 1 of
What no 1 of turbine oil _ ok - I'll buy it from MSC. And I did.

My experience with such is that it's difficult to buy small quantities
from such outfits.


These oil companies have large tanks about the size of a big club chair of
many many oils. They cross reference all the time. I did that for myself
for my hydrologic drives on the surface grinders.

Hmm. I don't have anything that large.

Joe Gwinn


Martin
Martin H. Eastburn
@ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net
TSRA, Endowed; NRA LOH & Patron Member, Golden Eagle, Patriot's Medal.
NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder
IHMSA and NRA Metallic Silhouette maker & member.
http://lufkinced.com/


Joseph Gwinn wrote:
In article ,
"Mike Henry" wrote:

"Joseph Gwinn" wrote in message
...
Well, I got the manual from Clausing today and read it. In the
Lubrication Chart, they mention:

"Shell Tonna 33" (which seems to be a way oil),

"Shell Tellus 27" (which seems to be a hydraulic oil),

"Shell Tellus 33" (a heavier hydraulic oil), and

"Shell Alvania 2" (a grease).

These specific lubricants were sold in the 1970s. (The lathe was
manufactured in 1972.) What do people use and recommend instead, these
days?
I emailed Mobil for suggestions a few years back and got this reply:

"Tonna 33 - Vactra Oil No. 2

Tellus 27 - Hydraulic Oil AW 32, DTE 24, DTE 13M (in that order)

Tellus 33 - Hydraulic Oil AW 68, DTE 26 (in that order)

Alvania 2 - this is an ISO VG 100 base oil lithium soap non-EP grease -
Mobilith SHC 100 is the closest product (Mobilux EP 2 is the closest
mineral
oil based lithium soap product but contains EP - extreme pressure
additives)."

I've been using Vactra #2, DTE24 and DTE26 for a few years now with no
problems.

I still have to keep reminding myself that Clausing isn't dead. I
called them today and asked them what replacements they would recommend,
and they pretty much agree with the Mobil list above.

Specifically, Clausing recommends the following:

Tonna 33 -- Vactra #2

Tellus 27 -- Mobil DTE 24 (I just ordered a gallon of this.)

Tellus 33 -- Mobil DTE 26, although Clausing allowed that lots of people
use DTE 24 and it works OK too.

Alvania 2 -- Mobil LUX 2, which I have not found yet.

Clausing suggested Grainger and MSC as sources of supply. MSC has DTE
24, 25, and 26, but not LUX 2. But Alvania 2 sounds like a good grade
of wheel bearing grease. Maybe the Mobilith SHC 120 will prove easier
to obtain.

Joe Gwinn

Joe -

I can almost make it perfect positive there is.
With Boston Logan there and private floating hotels.... :-)

You will have a rich set and volume of all sorts of oils.

The cities use lots of it as well - Check with an oil distributor -
they talk to people - have oil like show rooms or counters.

Mine even let me drive my truck back between buildings (I'm a business man)
so that might be positive - to have the person filling the buckets
and putting on the labels to load them.

And since the university, LL and the like are there - up more need for oils.

If you ship in oil - you pay hasmat fees and might have other issues.
Today it is like buying gunpowder and having it shipped to yourself.
Special handling.

If you want a quart - they ain't a auto oil supplier.
The local one is 5 and up gallons. Some companies take a tanker of oil.
They use auto injecting oils in machinery to keep the production lines
running.

Martin

Martin H. Eastburn
@ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net
TSRA, Endowed; NRA LOH & Patron Member, Golden Eagle, Patriot's Medal.
NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder
IHMSA and NRA Metallic Silhouette maker & member.
http://lufkinced.com/


Joseph Gwinn wrote:
In article ,
"Martin H. Eastburn" wrote:

What some don't know is the local gas/oil dealer in town - there might be
three or four in large towns - they have oils by all of this.

Depending on where you live - you might have an airport that requires
dozens of oils for the various planes, jets, trucks, etc...
Farms require tons of this and that...

I'm sure that we have all this in the Boston area. But if it's in the
MSC/Grainger/McMaster catalog, it's a whole lot less trouble.


I got mine there - walked in asked for 5 gallons of xx and 10 or yy and 1 of
What no 1 of turbine oil _ ok - I'll buy it from MSC. And I did.

My experience with such is that it's difficult to buy small quantities
from such outfits.


These oil companies have large tanks about the size of a big club chair of
many many oils. They cross reference all the time. I did that for myself
for my hydrologic drives on the surface grinders.

Hmm. I don't have anything that large.

Joe Gwinn


Martin
Martin H. Eastburn
@ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net
TSRA, Endowed; NRA LOH & Patron Member, Golden Eagle, Patriot's Medal.
NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder
IHMSA and NRA Metallic Silhouette maker & member.
http://lufkinced.com/


Joseph Gwinn wrote:
In article ,
"Mike Henry" wrote:

"Joseph Gwinn" wrote in message
...
Well, I got the manual from Clausing today and read it. In the
Lubrication Chart, they mention:

"Shell Tonna 33" (which seems to be a way oil),

"Shell Tellus 27" (which seems to be a hydraulic oil),

"Shell Tellus 33" (a heavier hydraulic oil), and

"Shell Alvania 2" (a grease).

These specific lubricants were sold in the 1970s. (The lathe was
manufactured in 1972.) What do people use and recommend instead, these
days?
I emailed Mobil for suggestions a few years back and got this reply:

"Tonna 33 - Vactra Oil No. 2

Tellus 27 - Hydraulic Oil AW 32, DTE 24, DTE 13M (in that order)

Tellus 33 - Hydraulic Oil AW 68, DTE 26 (in that order)

Alvania 2 - this is an ISO VG 100 base oil lithium soap non-EP grease -
Mobilith SHC 100 is the closest product (Mobilux EP 2 is the closest
mineral
oil based lithium soap product but contains EP - extreme pressure
additives)."

I've been using Vactra #2, DTE24 and DTE26 for a few years now with no
problems.
I still have to keep reminding myself that Clausing isn't dead. I
called them today and asked them what replacements they would recommend,
and they pretty much agree with the Mobil list above.

Specifically, Clausing recommends the following:

Tonna 33 -- Vactra #2

Tellus 27 -- Mobil DTE 24 (I just ordered a gallon of this.)

Tellus 33 -- Mobil DTE 26, although Clausing allowed that lots of people
use DTE 24 and it works OK too.

Alvania 2 -- Mobil LUX 2, which I have not found yet.

Clausing suggested Grainger and MSC as sources of supply. MSC has DTE
24, 25, and 26, but not LUX 2. But Alvania 2 sounds like a good grade
of wheel bearing grease. Maybe the Mobilith SHC 120 will prove easier
to obtain.

Joe Gwinn