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Banning incandescent lamps?
On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 18:36:55 +0000, with neither quill nor qualm, Mark
Rand quickly quoth: On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 18:21:17 -0500, Wes wrote: "Michael A. Terrell" wrote: BTW, I have about a 10 year stockpile from relatives who already switched. I've just about totally switched over myself. It didn't take a law. When the numbers work out you do it. Government assumes we are too stupid to think for ourselves on economic matters. Wes I have _one_ room that isn't completely lit by CF bulbs. That's the lad's bedroom with multiple 20W halogen spots in the ceiling. As they fail they will be replaced with 1.5W LED units. I have dimmable CF bulbs in two of the bedrooms. The only gotcha with them is that if the dimmer is too old, it might struggle with the low load of the CF bulb. I have a box of 48 new incandescent bulbs that I will be taking to the tip sometime next year. I'll save money by throwing them away! I can get CF bulbs in almost any power I want, at UK prices:-( :- http://www.bltdirect.com/product.php?pid=266 Ouch! Wouldn't you rather pay just £8.14 for a 25 watter? (120 watt equivalent) That's only 'bout 20 times what we pay over here across the Pond. Ayup, "OUCH!" just about covers it. Mark Rand (where electricity costs $20/kWhr) Holy ****, Maynard! Well, at least you have that lovely socialized medicine and all your streets are safe/free from guns. -- Once we believe in ourselves, we can risk curiosity, wonder, spontaneous delight, or any experience that reveals the human spirit. --e e cummings |
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Banning incandescent lamps?
"Larry Jaques" wrote in message ... On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 18:36:55 +0000, with neither quill nor qualm, Mark Rand quickly quoth: On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 18:21:17 -0500, Wes wrote: "Michael A. Terrell" wrote: BTW, I have about a 10 year stockpile from relatives who already switched. I've just about totally switched over myself. It didn't take a law. When the numbers work out you do it. Government assumes we are too stupid to think for ourselves on economic matters. Wes I have _one_ room that isn't completely lit by CF bulbs. That's the lad's bedroom with multiple 20W halogen spots in the ceiling. As they fail they will be replaced with 1.5W LED units. I have dimmable CF bulbs in two of the bedrooms. The only gotcha with them is that if the dimmer is too old, it might struggle with the low load of the CF bulb. I have a box of 48 new incandescent bulbs that I will be taking to the tip sometime next year. I'll save money by throwing them away! I can get CF bulbs in almost any power I want, at UK prices:-( :- http://www.bltdirect.com/product.php?pid=266 Ouch! Wouldn't you rather pay just £8.14 for a 25 watter? (120 watt equivalent) That's only 'bout 20 times what we pay over here across the Pond. Ayup, "OUCH!" just about covers it. Mark Rand (where electricity costs $20/kWhr) Holy ****, Maynard! Well, at least you have that lovely socialized medicine and all your streets are safe/free from guns. I think Mark means about 20 *cents* a kilowatt-hour. d8-) -- Ed Huntress |
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Banning incandescent lamps?
On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 16:10:15 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
wrote: "Larry Jaques" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 18:36:55 +0000, with neither quill nor qualm, Mark Rand quickly quoth: On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 18:21:17 -0500, Wes wrote: "Michael A. Terrell" wrote: BTW, I have about a 10 year stockpile from relatives who already switched. I've just about totally switched over myself. It didn't take a law. When the numbers work out you do it. Government assumes we are too stupid to think for ourselves on economic matters. Wes I have _one_ room that isn't completely lit by CF bulbs. That's the lad's bedroom with multiple 20W halogen spots in the ceiling. As they fail they will be replaced with 1.5W LED units. I have dimmable CF bulbs in two of the bedrooms. The only gotcha with them is that if the dimmer is too old, it might struggle with the low load of the CF bulb. I have a box of 48 new incandescent bulbs that I will be taking to the tip sometime next year. I'll save money by throwing them away! I can get CF bulbs in almost any power I want, at UK prices:-( :- http://www.bltdirect.com/product.php?pid=266 Ouch! Wouldn't you rather pay just £8.14 for a 25 watter? (120 watt equivalent) That's only 'bout 20 times what we pay over here across the Pond. Ayup, "OUCH!" just about covers it. Mark Rand (where electricity costs $20/kWhr) Holy ****, Maynard! Well, at least you have that lovely socialized medicine and all your streets are safe/free from guns. I think Mark means about 20 *cents* a kilowatt-hour. d8-) Bloody French decimal places :-(. If you and Larry are paying $0.50 to $1 for a 25 Watter, then I'm surprised that incandescent bulbs are still being manufactured! Mark Rand RTFM |
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"Mark Rand" wrote in message ... On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 16:10:15 -0500, "Ed Huntress" wrote: "Larry Jaques" wrote in message . .. On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 18:36:55 +0000, with neither quill nor qualm, Mark Rand quickly quoth: On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 18:21:17 -0500, Wes wrote: "Michael A. Terrell" wrote: BTW, I have about a 10 year stockpile from relatives who already switched. I've just about totally switched over myself. It didn't take a law. When the numbers work out you do it. Government assumes we are too stupid to think for ourselves on economic matters. Wes I have _one_ room that isn't completely lit by CF bulbs. That's the lad's bedroom with multiple 20W halogen spots in the ceiling. As they fail they will be replaced with 1.5W LED units. I have dimmable CF bulbs in two of the bedrooms. The only gotcha with them is that if the dimmer is too old, it might struggle with the low load of the CF bulb. I have a box of 48 new incandescent bulbs that I will be taking to the tip sometime next year. I'll save money by throwing them away! I can get CF bulbs in almost any power I want, at UK prices:-( :- http://www.bltdirect.com/product.php?pid=266 Ouch! Wouldn't you rather pay just £8.14 for a 25 watter? (120 watt equivalent) That's only 'bout 20 times what we pay over here across the Pond. Ayup, "OUCH!" just about covers it. Mark Rand (where electricity costs $20/kWhr) Holy ****, Maynard! Well, at least you have that lovely socialized medicine and all your streets are safe/free from guns. I think Mark means about 20 *cents* a kilowatt-hour. d8-) Bloody French decimal places :-(. If you and Larry are paying $0.50 to $1 for a 25 Watter, then I'm surprised that incandescent bulbs are still being manufactured! I'll have to ask Larry about his sources. I pay around $6, on those rare occasions that I buy one. -- Ed Huntress |
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Banning incandescent lamps?
On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 23:04:07 +0000, with neither quill nor qualm, Mark
Rand quickly quoth: On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 16:10:15 -0500, "Ed Huntress" wrote: "Larry Jaques" wrote in message . .. On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 18:36:55 +0000, with neither quill nor qualm, Mark Rand quickly quoth: Mark Rand (where electricity costs $20/kWhr) Holy ****, Maynard! Well, at least you have that lovely socialized medicine and all your streets are safe/free from guns. I think Mark means about 20 *cents* a kilowatt-hour. d8-) Bloody French decimal places :-(. We're still under 7 cents here in the PNW. If you and Larry are paying $0.50 to $1 for a 25 Watter, then I'm surprised that incandescent bulbs are still being manufactured! I still use one over my bed. I dim it in the morning before getting up to adjust to the lights. Yes, all but one of my CFs so far have been 99 cents each. They're 23W, the 100W incandescent equivalent. -- Once we believe in ourselves, we can risk curiosity, wonder, spontaneous delight, or any experience that reveals the human spirit. --e e cummings |
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Banning incandescent lamps?
On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 18:28:10 -0500, with neither quill nor qualm, "Ed
Huntress" quickly quoth: I'll have to ask Larry about his sources. I pay around $6, on those rare occasions that I buy one. Bi-Mart, a PNW-exclusive membership store. But I've also seen them for that price at Grover's Plumbing and Electric, WalMart, etc. 4 for $11 + s/h he http://tinyurl.com/2sffna Lowes, 8/$8 http://tinyurl.com/3bgato P.S: The yellowish "Warm White" bulbs SUCK! Wiki up the latest info and best CF compilation I've seen yet: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_fluorescent_lamp and the one for LED lamps: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LED_lamp -- Once we believe in ourselves, we can risk curiosity, wonder, spontaneous delight, or any experience that reveals the human spirit. --e e cummings |
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Banning incandescent lamps?
On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 17:40:53 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote: On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 18:28:10 -0500, with neither quill nor qualm, "Ed Huntress" quickly quoth: I'll have to ask Larry about his sources. I pay around $6, on those rare occasions that I buy one. Bi-Mart, a PNW-exclusive membership store. But I've also seen them for that price at Grover's Plumbing and Electric, WalMart, etc. 4 for $11 + s/h he http://tinyurl.com/2sffna Lowes, 8/$8 http://tinyurl.com/3bgato 99cent Only stores occasionally sell (2) 25watt CFs for ...99cents They actually hold up better than the Green CFs I got from Pacific Gas and Electric (aka Pacific Greed and Extortion) Gunner "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner |
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Banning incandescent lamps?
"Larry Jaques" wrote in message ... On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 18:28:10 -0500, with neither quill nor qualm, "Ed Huntress" quickly quoth: I'll have to ask Larry about his sources. I pay around $6, on those rare occasions that I buy one. Bi-Mart, a PNW-exclusive membership store. But I've also seen them for that price at Grover's Plumbing and Electric, WalMart, etc. 4 for $11 + s/h he http://tinyurl.com/2sffna Lowes, 8/$8 http://tinyurl.com/3bgato P.S: The yellowish "Warm White" bulbs SUCK! So, which ones are best for color? Wiki up the latest info and best CF compilation I've seen yet: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_fluorescent_lamp and the one for LED lamps: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LED_lamp Yikes. More than I would ever want to know. d8-) Thanks, it's good to know it's there. -- Ed Huntress |
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Banning incandescent lamps?
On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 22:36:06 -0500, with neither quill nor qualm, "Ed
Huntress" quickly quoth: "Larry Jaques" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 18:28:10 -0500, with neither quill nor qualm, "Ed Huntress" quickly quoth: I'll have to ask Larry about his sources. I pay around $6, on those rare occasions that I buy one. Bi-Mart, a PNW-exclusive membership store. But I've also seen them for that price at Grover's Plumbing and Electric, WalMart, etc. 4 for $11 + s/h he http://tinyurl.com/2sffna Lowes, 8/$8 http://tinyurl.com/3bgato P.S: The yellowish "Warm White" bulbs SUCK! So, which ones are best for color? Most bulbs with 20+ watts. The 13W bulbs just weakly bleat out yellow colors and aren't good for much of anything. I much prefer anything with a 4000K or higher rating. Bluer is good, yellower is bad. Higher CRI ratings seem to go hand in hand with higher Kelvin output. Wiki up the latest info and best CF compilation I've seen yet: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_fluorescent_lamp See the pic with the 4 styles of lamps? I much prefer the lefthand one. and the one for LED lamps: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LED_lamp Yikes. More than I would ever want to know. d8-) Thanks, it's good to know it's there. g -- Once we believe in ourselves, we can risk curiosity, wonder, spontaneous delight, or any experience that reveals the human spirit. --e e cummings |
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Banning incandescent lamps?
ATP* wrote:
"Larry Jaques" wrote in message ... They're called "Limousines", Gerry. Rich folks rent them (Hummers in all shapes) to pretend they're either 4-wheelin' or in the Army for the day or evening. My younger brother is in the Army, and despite the fact that he's stationed in Alaska, a Hummer is the last vehicle he would choose to drive. Fort Richardson, or Fort Wainwright? -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
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Banning incandescent lamps?
Wes wrote:
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote: BTW, I have about a 10 year stockpile from relatives who already switched. I've just about totally switched over myself. It didn't take a law. When the numbers work out you do it. Government assumes we are too stupid to think for ourselves on economic matters. I have used the 4' double tube fluorescent fixtures for almost 30 years, but a few places still need regular bulbs. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
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Banning incandescent lamps?
"Larry Jaques" wrote in message ... snip P.S: The yellowish "Warm White" bulbs SUCK! So, which ones are best for color? Most bulbs with 20+ watts. The 13W bulbs just weakly bleat out yellow colors and aren't good for much of anything. I much prefer anything with a 4000K or higher rating. Bluer is good, yellower is bad. Higher CRI ratings seem to go hand in hand with higher Kelvin output. Wiki up the latest info and best CF compilation I've seen yet: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_fluorescent_lamp See the pic with the 4 styles of lamps? I much prefer the lefthand one. That's interesting, because I would have thought the ones that were close to incandescent temperature were more pleasant for reading and working. But photos like that are tricky. Having done a lot of industrial photography with weird lighting, my reaction to that photo was that it probably isn't much like what the scene looks like to the eye. Interrupted-spectrum lighting often looks different on film; I assume the same is true with digital photos. Anyway, I'll have to get a couple of new ones and try them. I'll miss my dimmers (I made a bunch of them years ago, and I've replaced them all over the house with commercial ones, over the years) but it will be worth it. Thanks for the tips, Larry. -- Ed Huntress |
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Banning incandescent lamps?
On Dec 28, 1:40 am, Larry Jaques
wrote: Wiki up the latest info and best CF compilation I've seen yet:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_fluorescent_lamp and the one for LED lamps:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LED_lamp There is an article in today's ( Thursday ) WSJ on CFL's. One guy and his brother own 4 factories in China and make a million CFL's a day. Dan |
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Banning incandescent lamps?
On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 20:22:49 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote: Wiki up the latest info and best CF compilation I've seen yet: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_fluorescent_lamp See the pic with the 4 styles of lamps? I much prefer the lefthand one. and the one for LED lamps: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LED_lamp Yikes. More than I would ever want to know. d8-) Thanks, it's good to know it's there. Also interesting is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lighting_efficacy jack |
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Banning incandescent lamps?
On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 23:54:54 -0500, with neither quill nor qualm, "Ed
Huntress" quickly quoth: "Larry Jaques" wrote in message .. . snip P.S: The yellowish "Warm White" bulbs SUCK! So, which ones are best for color? Most bulbs with 20+ watts. The 13W bulbs just weakly bleat out yellow colors and aren't good for much of anything. I much prefer anything with a 4000K or higher rating. Bluer is good, yellower is bad. Higher CRI ratings seem to go hand in hand with higher Kelvin output. Wiki up the latest info and best CF compilation I've seen yet: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_fluorescent_lamp See the pic with the 4 styles of lamps? I much prefer the lefthand one. That's interesting, because I would have thought the ones that were close to incandescent temperature were more pleasant for reading and working. But For reading, I need the bulb to be a foot closer and/or a lot more lumens if it's yellow incan vs. its whiter CF brother. I have a couple wall sconces (and some track lights) and use the CFs to bounce light off the pure white walls and books in my largest bookcase. The CFs outshine the incans by a mile and make the book titles more readable. Wimmmenfolk don't like the bluer, whiter light as well as men do, it seems. That's perfectly OK at my bachelor pad. photos like that are tricky. Having done a lot of industrial photography with weird lighting, my reaction to that photo was that it probably isn't much like what the scene looks like to the eye. Interrupted-spectrum lighting often looks different on film; I assume the same is true with digital photos. Look at the "light shadows" cast on the foreground in that pic for the true colors. Looking at bulbs is hard for eyes and cameras. Anyway, I'll have to get a couple of new ones and try them. I'll miss my dimmers (I made a bunch of them years ago, and I've replaced them all over the house with commercial ones, over the years) but it will be worth it. Now that I've seen that the less expensive dimmable fluor bulbs are available, I'm going to try them, too. Ditto the LED lighting when it becomes affordable. Thanks for the tips, Larry. Jewelcome, Ed. -- Once we believe in ourselves, we can risk curiosity, wonder, spontaneous delight, or any experience that reveals the human spirit. --e e cummings |
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Banning incandescent lamps?
On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 17:55:35 +0900, with neither quill nor qualm,
en quickly quoth: On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 20:22:49 -0800, Larry Jaques wrote: Wiki up the latest info and best CF compilation I've seen yet: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_fluorescent_lamp See the pic with the 4 styles of lamps? I much prefer the lefthand one. and the one for LED lamps: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LED_lamp Yikes. More than I would ever want to know. d8-) Thanks, it's good to know it's there. Also interesting is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lighting_efficacy Good 'un! And a link off that to efficient LED sources is http://members.misty.com/don/led.html (What is this "thing" for LEDs guys named Don seem to have, hmm?) titter -- Once we believe in ourselves, we can risk curiosity, wonder, spontaneous delight, or any experience that reveals the human spirit. --e e cummings |
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Hi Ed, I have some info, right from the packaging of the CFs that I've been
using QualSTAR Mini Sunlight 100W replacement Light output: 1707 lumens Energy used: 23W Model No: 2823 S (and) 2VP BGL (2-pack for Big Lots Stores) Color temp: 6,500 Kelvin Lamps contain mercury Big Lots price - $6 for a 2-pack This is a product of a company that has produced some real crap in the past, Lights of America, but these units that were purchased in the past year are performing very well. The light is white, and very bright. I generally have all my lights for room lighting, operating in bounce mode, pointed up at the white ceiling. Many may find that these lights are too bright for direct lighting (for a reading light, for example). A side-by-side comparison to a warm CF makes the warm lamp look very yellow, like light shining thru mud (if that makes any sense). I used to think that regular cool white and warm CFs produced good light, until I tried these sunlight CFs. I'm not a photog, but when I've used these lamps to fill in for pictures (no flash), the inexpensive HP 215 digital camera shots don't look any different than shots with the light from the built-in flash. WB .......... metalworking projects www.kwagmire.com/metal_proj.html "Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "Larry Jaques" wrote in message ... On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 18:28:10 -0500, with neither quill nor qualm, "Ed Huntress" quickly quoth: snips So, which ones are best for color? snippage Yikes. More than I would ever want to know. d8-) Thanks, it's good to know it's there. -- Ed Huntress |
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"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message ... ATP* wrote: "Larry Jaques" wrote in message ... They're called "Limousines", Gerry. Rich folks rent them (Hummers in all shapes) to pretend they're either 4-wheelin' or in the Army for the day or evening. My younger brother is in the Army, and despite the fact that he's stationed in Alaska, a Hummer is the last vehicle he would choose to drive. Fort Richardson, or Fort Wainwright? Fort Richardson. He bought a house up in Eagle River. |
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ATP* wrote:
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message ... ATP* wrote: "Larry Jaques" wrote in message ... They're called "Limousines", Gerry. Rich folks rent them (Hummers in all shapes) to pretend they're either 4-wheelin' or in the Army for the day or evening. My younger brother is in the Army, and despite the fact that he's stationed in Alaska, a Hummer is the last vehicle he would choose to drive. Fort Richardson, or Fort Wainwright? Fort Richardson. He bought a house up in Eagle River. I was stationed at Ft Greely, in the early '70s. It was closed several years ago, and is being 'remodeled' for a new use. I spent a night at Ft Wainwright, on the way to Ft Greely. The Fairbanks Airport was the closest commercial flight. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
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"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message ... ATP* wrote: "Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message ... ATP* wrote: "Larry Jaques" wrote in message ... They're called "Limousines", Gerry. Rich folks rent them (Hummers in all shapes) to pretend they're either 4-wheelin' or in the Army for the day or evening. My younger brother is in the Army, and despite the fact that he's stationed in Alaska, a Hummer is the last vehicle he would choose to drive. Fort Richardson, or Fort Wainwright? Fort Richardson. He bought a house up in Eagle River. I was stationed at Ft Greely, in the early '70s. It was closed several years ago, and is being 'remodeled' for a new use. I spent a night at Ft Wainwright, on the way to Ft Greely. The Fairbanks Airport was the closest commercial flight. Fairbanks is really up there! I visited a few years ago and trekked up to Denali from Anchorage. There was one section where we got no FM reception whatsoever. I was running pretty low on gas on the way back, which was a bit nerve wracking with two six year olds in the car. I think we drove about 140 miles between gas stations. |
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On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 14:10:00 -0500, ATP* wrote:
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message ... ATP* wrote: "Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message ... ATP* wrote: "Larry Jaques" wrote in message ... They're called "Limousines", Gerry. Rich folks rent them (Hummers in all shapes) to pretend they're either 4-wheelin' or in the Army for the day or evening. My younger brother is in the Army, and despite the fact that he's stationed in Alaska, a Hummer is the last vehicle he would choose to drive. Fort Richardson, or Fort Wainwright? Fort Richardson. He bought a house up in Eagle River. I was stationed at Ft Greely, in the early '70s. It was closed several years ago, and is being 'remodeled' for a new use. I spent a night at Ft Wainwright, on the way to Ft Greely. The Fairbanks Airport was the closest commercial flight. Fairbanks is really up there! I visited a few years ago and trekked up to Denali from Anchorage. There was one section where we got no FM reception whatsoever. I was running pretty low on gas on the way back, which was a bit nerve wracking with two six year olds in the car. I think we drove about 140 miles between gas stations. Or you could always try driving the Dempster Highway, starts about 20 miles east of Dawson City, goes to Inuvik, NWT in summer and to Tuktoyaktuk in winter. From Klondike Corner (start of the Dempster) gas station to Eagle Plains, which is the next gas station, is 231 miles. Not the longest in the world by any means, but certainly an interesting highway and one every Canadian (at least) should drive. The Inuvik - Tuktoyaktuk section on 8 - 10 feet of Mackenzie River ice and Beaufort Sea ice is also INTERESTING! Yep, I've done it, the Dempster about 5 times and the Tuk section a couple of times - why? have a son and 2 grandchildren up there in Inuvik. Mike in BC |
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On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 08:48:28 -0800 (PST), " wrote: We use a 60 watt incandescent bulb in a well insulated outbuilding to keep the well water works from freezing. Works just fine. When extremely cold weather is expected, we change to a 100 watt bulb. Many of our neighbors do the same. You can't use a compact florescent bulb for that. I guess the light bulb police will let us use 1,000 watt heaters instead. Use an industrial cabinet heater, many times the cost of a light bulb (say $20) but you'll only have to buy it once, they are self regulating to maintain a set temperature and remove the need to change it to a higher output when the temperature really drops. -- |
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Cydrome Leader wrote:
clare wrote: On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 18:22:52 GMT, "BillM" wrote: Got sucked into the whole compact flourescent whirlpool a few years ago. Local power company (Portland General Electric) was handing out coupons for free/deep discount/rebate on compact flourescents, and we were lighting up a new home. I think there are maybe 4 left in the whole house. Short life, unacceptable warm up time, just general crappy performance. Unless there has been a huge improvement in the CF technology, I'll keep my incandescents! Likewise. All you can buy is cheap but overpriced Chinese CRAP that burns out or otherwise fails in less than 2 years - generally within 6 months. I still have a few incandescent bulbs in the house that were here when I bought it 27 years ago. Todays long tube flourescents are also nothing but crap. Untill I changed out to halogens in my office/rec room I was replacing tubes every couple of months, and ballasts every year or so. get commercial grade flourescent bulbs from an electrical or lighting supply place. Anything at home depot is junk. You will pay more, but those cheap crap bulbs don't work. And I'll chime in about the circular ones. Bought 4, dual ring bulb type, 2 died in 6 months, 2 in 8. Replaced bulbs in all (100 effing Canadian dollars from Home Depot!), all died in a week, obviously the ballasts went South. Bring me those halogen 150-watters! /mark |
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And I'll chime in about the circular ones. Bought 4, dual ring bulb type, 2 died in 6 months, 2 in 8. Replaced bulbs in all (100 effing Canadian dollars from Home Depot!), all died in a week, obviously the ballasts went South. Bring me those halogen 150-watters! /mark I just had my first dead out of the box CFL yesterday - bought a 30 watt Sylvania curly Q type CFL for a lamp, it lit for about 1 second, went dim and out - base gets hot and no light - bought another one of slightly lower wattage, it's working fine - Used to be Sylvania was a good brand - wonder what happened to quality control - -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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Banning incandescent lamps?
On Sun, 23 Dec 2007, Cydrome Leader wrote:
clare wrote: On Sat, 22 Dec 2007, "BillM" wrote: Got sucked into the whole compact flourescent whirlpool a few years ago. Local power company (Portland General Electric) was handing out coupons for free/deep discount/rebate on compact flourescents, and we were lighting up a new home. I think there are maybe 4 left in the whole house. Short life, unacceptable warm up time, just general crappy performance. Unless there has been a huge improvement in the CF technology, I'll keep my incandescents! Likewise. All you can buy is cheap but overpriced Chinese CRAP that burns out or otherwise fails in less than 2 years - generally within 6 months. I still have a few incandescent bulbs in the house that were here when I bought it 27 years ago. Todays long tube flourescents are also nothing but crap. Untill I changed out to halogens in my office/rec room I was replacing tubes every couple of months, and ballasts every year or so. get commercial grade flourescent bulbs from an electrical or lighting supply place. Anything at home depot is junk. You will pay more, but those cheap crap bulbs don't work. The electrical and lighing supply houses will gladly sell you the same crap that The Borg will - If the price sounds too good to be true, it probably is. The two brands I tell people to avoid like the Plague are 'Lights of America' and 'Dabmar' - they do have a few good models with decent internals, but try to pick them out in a hurry... Even the reputable lines like GE, Lithonia, Progress Lighting, Elite, Juno, Kichler, RAB, Simkar and Mc-Graw Edison (to rattle off just a few) make some junk with Chinese ballasts and Indonesian parts, but they are usually good about labeling them with a euphemism like "Value Line" or "Builder Model" to tip off the buyers. Tract home developers love the "Builder Model" fixtures because they're cheap first and foremost, don't look hideous, the Fluorescent or HID models meet the "Energy Efficiency Guidelines", and they will last at least long enough for the house to pass inspection and clear escrow - and that's all the builders worry about. For tract houses, it's up to the resident to pick out the fixture designs they like and put them up after they've bought the house and decided how they're decorating it. But the builder has to put up something to cover that empty box on the ceiling, they can't pass Final and sell the place without a permanent fixture installed. For custom homes, the owner was involved in the decision process and picked out the fixtures they wanted ahead of time, and are willing to pay the extra for a good fixture the first time. -- Bruce -- |
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