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Small brass parts - Polishing questions
Hello Metal Guys,
I'm running a garage business selling like like a dozen parts a month of a very specialized clamp for a musical instrument application. The parts are on the order of 1.25" long, have no detail, but have both rounded surfaces and flat areas. I get the raw parts from a cnc guy, and then have a lot of shaping and finishing I do myself. Although mechanical in nature, they need to look nice, so the dominant expense is this finishing labor. I shape with a small belt sander and a 6" abrasive rubber wheel. I use tripoli on a 6" hard felt wheel, and then rouge with a 6" cloth wheel. Everything goes along, but I'm wondering if I can't cut my shop time on two issues: 1. The 6" hard felt wheel clogs up quickly. I scrape it with a burred chisel, but I need to keep putting a fresh burr on the chisel. I have some brown tripoli, red tripoli, and lately I've been trying the white diamond dust compound. That seems to clog the least, but it leaves more work for the rouge wheel. I also have some kind of black cutting compound which I haven't used in awhile, but I don't remember being impressed. Is there some cut/color buffing bar I haven't tried that I should? 2. After polishing, I spend a whole lot of time cleaning the parts by hand. A lot of compound builds up in the threaded holes. I've decided to invest in an ultrasonic cleaner. I have used them in the past and wasn't terribly impressed. Perhaps I was using the wrong cleaning medium What kind of liquid works best in the bath for removing tripoli and rouge? Thanks for any help! |
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A picture of the components would help in giving advice. Ive followed your method and there a missing link there. After belt sanding and your rubber wheel, you neeed to go then to a compressedescotchbright wheel. Madeby 3M. comes in various grades 6in by 1 in a brown grey colour. not a hardone. This will eliminate your felt wheel part and theres no clogging. then you go to a white cotton mop with your whi compo. this will be the fastest way. hope this helps. For some of the things I make I go straight from the belt sander to the scotch wheel, then to the cotton mop. Ted Dorset UK. silver smith and minter. Ok. My site is www.basscapos.com. I think we might be talking about the same thing on the wheel. I don't remember exactly what it is, but it quickly removes all the sanding scratches and still shapes aggressively. From there I can quickly bring a shine with the hard felt wheel with much less dust that a regular cotton buff. I then finish with the red rouge on a spiral cotton wheel, which I find makes the shine last much longer than when I stop with the white stuff. I am working in a small space, so the dust issue is a motivator for the felt wheel. But, I remember when I used to use tripoli on regular wheels I was constantly cleaning them too. Maybe I'm just anal? |
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On Dec 19, 2:27 pm, "
wrote: Hello Metal Guys, I'm running a garage business selling like like a dozen parts a month of a very specialized clamp for a musical instrument application. The parts are on the order of 1.25" long, have no detail, but have both rounded surfaces and flat areas. I get the raw parts from a cnc guy, and then have a lot of shaping and finishing I do myself. Although mechanical in nature, they need to look nice, so the dominant expense is this finishing labor. I shape with a small belt sander and a 6" abrasive rubber wheel. I use tripoli on a 6" hard felt wheel, and then rouge with a 6" cloth wheel. Everything goes along, but I'm wondering if I can't cut my shop time on two issues: 1. The 6" hard felt wheel clogs up quickly. I scrape it with a burred chisel, but I need to keep putting a fresh burr on the chisel. I have some brown tripoli, red tripoli, and lately I've been trying the white diamond dust compound. That seems to clog the least, but it leaves more work for the rouge wheel. I also have some kind of black cutting compound which I haven't used in awhile, but I don't remember being impressed. Is there some cut/color buffing bar I haven't tried that I should? 2. After polishing, I spend a whole lot of time cleaning the parts by hand. A lot of compound builds up in the threaded holes. I've decided to invest in an ultrasonic cleaner. I have used them in the past and wasn't terribly impressed. Perhaps I was using the wrong cleaning medium What kind of liquid works best in the bath for removing tripoli and rouge? Thanks for any help! You need a vibrating tumbler. You throw the parts in the tumbler with some grit, run it over night, empty it and change to a finer grit and repeat. Do this in steps all the way through polish. Find someone who reloads his own ammo and he can show you the process and tell where to get the supplies |
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On Dec 19, 2:06 pm, Gerry wrote:
On Dec 19, 2:27 pm, " wrote: Hello Metal Guys, I'm running a garage business selling like like a dozen parts a month of a very specialized clamp for a musical instrument application. The parts are on the order of 1.25" long, have no detail, but have both rounded surfaces and flat areas. I get the raw parts from a cnc guy, and then have a lot of shaping and finishing I do myself. Although mechanical in nature, they need to look nice, so the dominant expense is this finishing labor. I shape with a small belt sander and a 6" abrasive rubber wheel. I use tripoli on a 6" hard felt wheel, and then rouge with a 6" cloth wheel. Everything goes along, but I'm wondering if I can't cut my shop time on two issues: 1. The 6" hard felt wheel clogs up quickly. I scrape it with a burred chisel, but I need to keep putting a fresh burr on the chisel. I have some brown tripoli, red tripoli, and lately I've been trying the white diamond dust compound. That seems to clog the least, but it leaves more work for the rouge wheel. I also have some kind of black cutting compound which I haven't used in awhile, but I don't remember being impressed. Is there some cut/color buffing bar I haven't tried that I should? 2. After polishing, I spend a whole lot of time cleaning the parts by hand. A lot of compound builds up in the threaded holes. I've decided to invest in an ultrasonic cleaner. I have used them in the past and wasn't terribly impressed. Perhaps I was using the wrong cleaning medium What kind of liquid works best in the bath for removing tripoli and rouge? Thanks for any help! You need a vibrating tumbler. You throw the parts in the tumbler with some grit, run it over night, empty it and change to a finer grit and repeat. Do this in steps all the way through polish. Find someone who reloads his own ammo and he can show you the process and tell where to get the supplies- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yep -- definitely. You can probably do this in 3 steps, using plastic polishing media. I'd use a coarse cut-down plastic pyramid for the first step, go to a fine plastic media to leave a matte surface, then rouge on walnut for high polish. One place to get the media (and tumbler for that matter) is RioGrande. If you call them, you can talk to their mass-finishing tech specialist for specific media recommendations. I think if you send them a couple of parts, they'll even do a trial run for you. Other places for media include Gesswein and Otto Frei. Regards, Bob |
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wrote in message ... Hello Metal Guys, I'm running a garage business selling like like a dozen parts a month of a very specialized clamp for a musical instrument application. The parts are on the order of 1.25" long, have no detail, but have both rounded surfaces and flat areas. I get the raw parts from a cnc guy, and then have a lot of shaping and finishing I do myself. Although mechanical in nature, they need to look nice, so the dominant expense is this finishing labor. I shape with a small belt sander and a 6" abrasive rubber wheel. I use tripoli on a 6" hard felt wheel, and then rouge with a 6" cloth wheel. Everything goes along, but I'm wondering if I can't cut my shop time on two issues: 1. The 6" hard felt wheel clogs up quickly. I scrape it with a burred chisel, but I need to keep putting a fresh burr on the chisel. I have some brown tripoli, red tripoli, and lately I've been trying the white diamond dust compound. That seems to clog the least, but it leaves more work for the rouge wheel. I also have some kind of black cutting compound which I haven't used in awhile, but I don't remember being impressed. Is there some cut/color buffing bar I haven't tried that I should? 2. After polishing, I spend a whole lot of time cleaning the parts by hand. A lot of compound builds up in the threaded holes. I've decided to invest in an ultrasonic cleaner. I have used them in the past and wasn't terribly impressed. Perhaps I was using the wrong cleaning medium What kind of liquid works best in the bath for removing tripoli and rouge? Thanks for any help! Nice looking bits. I happened to notice you are using Phillips head screws and the screws on the instrumeet are blade type. Would it be a seling point to use blade screws? or offer a choice? Just a casual observation from out in the weeds...... |
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I wouldn't use blade or Phillips - Torq for me. Less slipping.
Martin Martin H. Eastburn @ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net TSRA, Life; NRA LOH & Patron Member, Golden Eagle, Patriot's Medal. NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder IHMSA and NRA Metallic Silhouette maker & member. http://lufkinced.com/ Mark Dunning wrote: wrote in message ... Hello Metal Guys, I'm running a garage business selling like like a dozen parts a month of a very specialized clamp for a musical instrument application. The parts are on the order of 1.25" long, have no detail, but have both rounded surfaces and flat areas. I get the raw parts from a cnc guy, and then have a lot of shaping and finishing I do myself. Although mechanical in nature, they need to look nice, so the dominant expense is this finishing labor. I shape with a small belt sander and a 6" abrasive rubber wheel. I use tripoli on a 6" hard felt wheel, and then rouge with a 6" cloth wheel. Everything goes along, but I'm wondering if I can't cut my shop time on two issues: 1. The 6" hard felt wheel clogs up quickly. I scrape it with a burred chisel, but I need to keep putting a fresh burr on the chisel. I have some brown tripoli, red tripoli, and lately I've been trying the white diamond dust compound. That seems to clog the least, but it leaves more work for the rouge wheel. I also have some kind of black cutting compound which I haven't used in awhile, but I don't remember being impressed. Is there some cut/color buffing bar I haven't tried that I should? 2. After polishing, I spend a whole lot of time cleaning the parts by hand. A lot of compound builds up in the threaded holes. I've decided to invest in an ultrasonic cleaner. I have used them in the past and wasn't terribly impressed. Perhaps I was using the wrong cleaning medium What kind of liquid works best in the bath for removing tripoli and rouge? Thanks for any help! Nice looking bits. I happened to notice you are using Phillips head screws and the screws on the instrumeet are blade type. Would it be a seling point to use blade screws? or offer a choice? Just a casual observation from out in the weeds...... |
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I happened to notice you are using Phillips head screws and the screws on the instrumeet are blade type. Would it be a seling point to use blade screws? or offer a choice? Just a casual observation from out in the weeds...... There would be an aesthetic advantage to blade screws, but I can't find suitable ones. They need to be strong, with a large flat under- surface. I'm using a 18-8 truss head screw and lacquering it gold. I've thought of getting them brass-plated. Some customers use brass screws, which look better, but I discourage this because of strength issues. |
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I wouldn't use blade or Phillips - Torq for me. Less slipping. I'm with you, but as I said, it's an aesthic issue. Luthiers and string players didn't go to mechanical engineering school! |
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You say confined space? in which to work, dry sanding and cutting IS a health /lung risk. youll need to use a proper cuff type micron dust filter respirator, or install proper vacumn dust extraction. Otherwise you will pay dearly with your health. Do this properly!! Yes, I hear you. I only use a paper painter's mask. Since I do this only a day or two a month, I figure I won't kill myself, but I would like to reduce the dust. You need a vibrating tumbler. That's an idea, but I'm not sure I want to polish the threads. Wrapping/plugging them before tumbling would likely cancel out the labor savings of tumbling, and I still have to do a lot of shaping before the parts could go into the tumbler! |
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Nice looking capos. I just have one comment on the web site. On your
installation page you refer to the body of the capo as a "yolk" (as in egg), shouldn't that be "yoke"? -- Dennis |
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On Dec 20, 5:22 pm, (DT) wrote:
Nice looking capos. I just have one comment on the web site. On your installation page you refer to the body of the capo as a "yolk" (as in egg), shouldn't that be "yoke"? -- Dennis You are absolutely right! Thanks... |
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On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 01:19:31 -0800 (PST),
" wrote: You say confined space? in which to work, dry sanding and cutting IS a health /lung risk. youll need to use a proper cuff type micron dust filter respirator, or install proper vacumn dust extraction. Otherwise you will pay dearly with your health. Do this properly!! Yes, I hear you. I only use a paper painter's mask. Since I do this only a day or two a month, I figure I won't kill myself, but I would like to reduce the dust. Look in woodworking catalogs for dust extraction gear. Use standard foil flex or knockdown metal dryer duct for the collection system, 3" or 4", and you can use standard air conditioning tee-Y's and register boxes behind the grinder to get the airflow going that way. Do NOT use plastic pipe for dust collection unless it's designed for the use (semiconductive static dissipative agents built in) - air moving at high velocity creates static electricity, and some metal dusts are flammable or otherwise reactive, especially when mixed. (Aluminum dust plus steel dust = Thermite.) Bad things happen inside the dust collector, or at the corners of the piping, and then the fire melts right through the plastic, or all the static built up in the pipes discharges inside the cloth collector bag... You need a vibrating tumbler. That's an idea, but I'm not sure I want to polish the threads. Wrapping/plugging them before tumbling would likely cancel out the labor savings of tumbling, and I still have to do a lot of shaping before the parts could go into the tumbler! What are the threads on the capo arms? If it's a standard thread, you can buy socket head set-screws and spin them into the bodies with a tee wrench in a few seconds each, then toss in the vibratory tumbler. For the arms, there are standard sizes of dip-molded vinyl sleeves that can slide on over the threads, to keep them from getting dulled in the tumbler. And they both should be reusable hundreds of times. And nobody I know has an extension on their bass, and there are a few. Darn. Unless I should talk them into doing it... -- Bruce -- |
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