Take the 60 question test and see how your results compare to those of
students at some of America's elite Universities and Colleges. I was
disappointed in my score. . . until I compared it to the results of
students from Harvard, Yale and some of the elite schools.

Enjoy,
Dennis

"TwoGuns" wrote in message
ups.com...
Take the 60 question test and see how your results compare to those of
students at some of America's elite Universities and Colleges. I was
disappointed in my score. . . until I compared it to the results of
students from Harvard, Yale and some of the elite schools.

Enjoy,
Dennis

er, you will need to post the link!

On Sep 18, 3:01 pm, "Newshound" wrote:
"TwoGuns" wrote in message

ups.com...

Take the 60 question test and see how your results compare to those of
students at some of America's elite Universities and Colleges. I was
disappointed in my score. . . until I compared it to the results of
students from Harvard, Yale and some of the elite schools.

Enjoy,
Dennis

er, you will need to post the link!

Sorry about that. Now I really do feel like a dumbass LOL.
Dennis
http://www.americancivicliteracy.org/

"TwoGuns" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Sep 18, 3:01 pm, "Newshound" wrote:
"TwoGuns" wrote in message

ups.com...

Take the 60 question test and see how your results compare to those of
students at some of America's elite Universities and Colleges. I was
disappointed in my score. . . until I compared it to the results of
students from Harvard, Yale and some of the elite schools.

Enjoy,
Dennis

er, you will need to post the link!

Sorry about that. Now I really do feel like a dumbass LOL.
Dennis
http://www.americancivicliteracy.org/

I was going to say, maybe this gives some insight into why you were
disappointed in your score. g

--
Ed Huntress (annoyed that he answered one too quickly, which cost him an
extra point off)

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...

"TwoGuns" wrote in message
ups.com...

Take the 60 question test...

BTW, I was relieved to see that my son's university scored 3rd in the
nation, well above Princeton, etc. It makes my financial pain a little
easier to take.

However, I'm not happy with any of those scores, which are abyssmal, IMO.

--
Ed Huntress

On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 13:47:01 -0700, TwoGuns wrote:
On Sep 18, 3:01 pm, "Newshound" wrote:
"TwoGuns" wrote in message

ups.com...

Take the 60 question test and see how your results compare to those of
students at some of America's elite Universities and Colleges. I was
disappointed in my score. . . until I compared it to the results of
students from Harvard, Yale and some of the elite schools.

Enjoy,
Dennis

er, you will need to post the link!

Sorry about that. Now I really do feel like a dumbass LOL.
Dennis
http://www.americancivicliteracy.org/


You answered 52 out of 60 correctly 86.67 %
Average score for this quiz during September: 73.0%
Average score since September 18, 2007: 73.0%

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Answers to Your Missed Questions:
Question #5 - D. Yorktown
Question #9 - B. was a stalemate.
Question #13 - B. the nature and control of Reconstruction.
Question #23 - B. Marbury v. Madison.
Question #32 - B. Common Sense.
Question #35 - A. discouraged new colonies in the Western hemisphere.
Question #55 - E. increased for the lower and middle classes and
increased most for the upper class.
Question #60 - B. social security.

Take the 60 question test and see how your results compare to those of
students at some of America's elite Universities and Colleges. I was
disappointed in my score. . . until I compared it to the results of
students from Harvard, Yale and some of the elite schools.

Enjoy,
Dennis

I scored 48 correct out of 60 for 60%. I should have read the
questions more slowly.
Dennis

Answers to Your Missed Questions:
Question #5 - D. Yorktown
Question #9 - B. was a stalemate.
Question #13 - B. the nature and control of Reconstruction.
Question #23 - B. Marbury v. Madison.
Question #32 - B. Common Sense.
Question #35 - A. discouraged new colonies in the Western hemisphere.
Question #55 - E. increased for the lower and middle classes and
increased most for the upper class.
Question #60 - B. social security.

Ignoramus29233 wrote:
On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 13:47:01 -0700, TwoGuns wrote:
On Sep 18, 3:01 pm, "Newshound" wrote:
"TwoGuns" wrote in message

ups.com...

Take the 60 question test and see how your results compare to those of
students at some of America's elite Universities and Colleges. I was
disappointed in my score. . . until I compared it to the results of
students from Harvard, Yale and some of the elite schools.
Enjoy,
Dennis
er, you will need to post the link!
Sorry about that. Now I really do feel like a dumbass LOL.
Dennis
http://www.americancivicliteracy.org/


You answered 52 out of 60 correctly 86.67 %
Average score for this quiz during September: 73.0%
Average score since September 18, 2007: 73.0%

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Answers to Your Missed Questions:
Question #5 - D. Yorktown
Question #9 - B. was a stalemate.
Question #13 - B. the nature and control of Reconstruction.
Question #23 - B. Marbury v. Madison.
Question #32 - B. Common Sense.
Question #35 - A. discouraged new colonies in the Western hemisphere.
Question #55 - E. increased for the lower and middle classes and
increased most for the upper class.
Question #60 - B. social security.

I got 51 right, between us, the only one we both missed was 60...

Did you say 'Interest on the debt' too?

Stuart

On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:02:32 -0500, Ignoramus29233 wrote:

You answered 52 out of 60 correctly 86.67 %

Nice, Iggy! Me, not so good. Although I thought it was 'League of
nations" before it was the "UN". Ah well.

You answered 45 out of 60 correctly ┠75.00 %
Average score for this quiz during September: 72.8%
Average score since September 18, 2007: 72.8%



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Answers to Your Missed Questions:
Question #3 - C. Indirect democracy
Question #13 - B. the nature and control of Reconstruction.
Question #14 - C. 1901-1925
Question #19 - C. philosopher kings.
Question #23 - B. Marbury v. Madison.
Question #25 - B. is based upon past custom and emerging case law.
Question #26 - D. John Locke.
Question #31 - A. Edmund Burke argued that society consists of a union
of past, present, and future generations.
Question #36 - D. The authority of a legitimate sovereign.
Question #39 - D. Alexis de Tocquevilleâ™s Democracy in America.
Question #40 - B. 1945 to promote âœinternational organization.â�
Question #43 - A. A state that seeks to expand its power generates
resistance by other states.
Question #46 - B. Baath Party
Question #55 - E. increased for the lower and middle classes and
increased most for the upper class.
Question #60 - B. social security.

On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:29:21 -0400, Stuart Wheaton wrote:
Ignoramus29233 wrote:
On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 13:47:01 -0700, TwoGuns wrote:
On Sep 18, 3:01 pm, "Newshound" wrote:
"TwoGuns" wrote in message

ups.com...

Take the 60 question test and see how your results compare to those of
students at some of America's elite Universities and Colleges. I was
disappointed in my score. . . until I compared it to the results of
students from Harvard, Yale and some of the elite schools.
Enjoy,
Dennis
er, you will need to post the link!
Sorry about that. Now I really do feel like a dumbass LOL.
Dennis
http://www.americancivicliteracy.org/


You answered 52 out of 60 correctly 86.67 %
Average score for this quiz during September: 73.0%
Average score since September 18, 2007: 73.0%

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Answers to Your Missed Questions:
Question #5 - D. Yorktown
Question #9 - B. was a stalemate.
Question #13 - B. the nature and control of Reconstruction.
Question #23 - B. Marbury v. Madison.
Question #32 - B. Common Sense.
Question #35 - A. discouraged new colonies in the Western hemisphere.
Question #55 - E. increased for the lower and middle classes and
increased most for the upper class.
Question #60 - B. social security.

I got 51 right, between us, the only one we both missed was 60...

Did you say 'Interest on the debt' too?

Stuart

I said "military".

i

I scored 48 correct out of 60 for 60%. I should have read the
questions more slowly.
Dennis
Correction again 48 out of 60 = 80%. A bit better. However I should
mention I got a D in High School typing. Probably because the teacher
couldn't understand how someone with such large hands could keep from
hitting multiple keys. A problem that is still haunting me.
Dennis

Answers to Your Missed Questions:
Question #5 - D. Yorktown
Question #9 - B. was a stalemate.
Question #13 - B. the nature and control of Reconstruction.
Question #23 - B. Marbury v. Madison.
Question #32 - B. Common Sense.
Question #35 - A. discouraged new colonies in the Western hemisphere.
Question #55 - E. increased for the lower and middle classes and
increased most for the upper class.
Question #60 - B. social security.

On 18 Sep 2007 23:48:16 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote:
On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:02:32 -0500, Ignoramus29233 wrote:

You answered 52 out of 60 correctly 86.67 %

Nice, Iggy! Me, not so good. Although I thought it was 'League of
nations" before it was the "UN". Ah well.

You answered 45 out of 60 correctly ┠75.00 %
Average score for this quiz during September: 72.8%
Average score since September 18, 2007: 72.8%



On the other hand, does it make a difference if it was Burke or Locke
who said one thing or another...

i

On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 20:52:16 -0500, Ignoramus29233 wrote:
On 18 Sep 2007 23:48:16 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote:
On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:02:32 -0500, Ignoramus29233 wrote:

You answered 52 out of 60 correctly 86.67 %

You answered 45 out of 60 correctly ┠75.00 %

On the other hand, does it make a difference if it was Burke or Locke
who said one thing or another...

It was a pretty well written test despite a high reliance on, well,
trivia. Seems to mix understanding (the part I do better with) with
memorization (not so much). Couple outright surprises like #60 - I
answered "servicing the debt" as well.

On 19 Sep 2007 02:13:22 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote:
On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 20:52:16 -0500, Ignoramus29233 wrote:
On 18 Sep 2007 23:48:16 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote:
On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:02:32 -0500, Ignoramus29233 wrote:

You answered 52 out of 60 correctly 86.67 %

You answered 45 out of 60 correctly ┠75.00 %

On the other hand, does it make a difference if it was Burke or Locke
who said one thing or another...

It was a pretty well written test despite a high reliance on, well,
trivia. Seems to mix understanding (the part I do better with) with
memorization (not so much). Couple outright surprises like #60 - I
answered "servicing the debt" as well.


I am the same way, as well, remembering details is my challenge (to
put it in a positive light). Sometimes I can dismiss some multiple
choice answers as clearly nonsensical, from wrong time period, or as
not applying to question, even if I do not know the actual answer (if
it was asked open ended). 12 years ago I studied to take a GMAT test,
and the books talked about some useful test taking tricks like this:

Example: who said "give me liberty or give me death"?

A) Albert Einstein
B) Patrick Henry
C) Jesus Christ
D) Bob Swinney
E) Claude Monet

Even if I did not know who it was, or had no idea who was Patrick
Henry, but knew the other four people, it is pretty clear that four
out of five choices are not very likely to be correct.

Usually in a test, you can dismiss 2-3, if not 4, answers
outright. That helps raise the score a little.

i

On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 16:05:58 -0700, TwoGuns
wrote:

Take the 60 question test and see how your results compare to those of
students at some of America's elite Universities and Colleges. I was
disappointed in my score. . . until I compared it to the results of
students from Harvard, Yale and some of the elite schools.

Enjoy,
Dennis

I scored 48 correct out of 60 for 60%. I should have read the
questions more slowly.
Dennis

Answers to Your Missed Questions:
Question #5 - D. Yorktown
Question #9 - B. was a stalemate.
Question #13 - B. the nature and control of Reconstruction.
Question #23 - B. Marbury v. Madison.
Question #32 - B. Common Sense.
Question #35 - A. discouraged new colonies in the Western hemisphere.
Question #55 - E. increased for the lower and middle classes and
increased most for the upper class.
Question #60 - B. social security.

Must be that new math.

Snarl

On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 18:28:15 -0700, TwoGuns
wrote:

I scored 48 correct out of 60 for 60%. I should have read the
questions more slowly.
Dennis
Correction again 48 out of 60 = 80%. A bit better. However I should
mention I got a D in High School typing. Probably because the teacher
couldn't understand how someone with such large hands could keep from
hitting multiple keys. A problem that is still haunting me.
Dennis

Answers to Your Missed Questions:
Question #5 - D. Yorktown
Question #9 - B. was a stalemate.
Question #13 - B. the nature and control of Reconstruction.
Question #23 - B. Marbury v. Madison.
Question #32 - B. Common Sense.
Question #35 - A. discouraged new colonies in the Western hemisphere.
Question #55 - E. increased for the lower and middle classes and
increased most for the upper class.
Question #60 - B. social security.

Besides that slight mathematical discrepenacy, large hands make
48+8=60 now?

Are you sure that isn't a Budweiser product you were talking about in
another post g.

Snarl

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...

"TwoGuns" wrote in message
ups.com...

Take the 60 question test...

BTW, I was relieved to see that my son's university scored 3rd in the
nation, well above Princeton, etc. It makes my financial pain a little
easier to take.

However, I'm not happy with any of those scores, which are abyssmal, IMO.

--
Ed Huntress



Abysmal (one "s," Ed...) is an understatement. I missed 3 (95%) and I'm an
engineer, not an historian. And I haven't set foot in a classroom in more
years
than I choose to admit.

But I was one of those who dropped out of college and went back later. They
made me take a U.S. History class I didn't want. It seemed to me to be more
or less at a junior high level. I was talking to the professor after one
day and
said that I was rather disappointed in his class. He pointed out that, for
many
of the students, this was their first exposure to the material. Now, we had
a lot
of students that were not U.S. natives. So, I retorted that, for graduates
of a
foreign high school that were not ready for a college level American History
course, perhaps a remedial class would be in order.

The professor's eyebrows went up, he shook his head and said, "I'm not
talking
about the foreign students."

"Jerry Foster" wrote in message
et...

snip


The professor's eyebrows went up, he shook his head and said, "I'm not
talking
about the foreign students."

Yes, it doesn't surprise me. I sent the URL to my son to see what he does
with it. He got the top score in AP American History in high school and he's
taking more Am. Hist. in college, so he'll be a good test.

The only way I'll get him to try it is to tell him that I don't think he can
beat me on the test. d8-)

--
Ed Huntress

On Sep 18, 6:02 pm, Ignoramus29233 ignoramus29...@NOSPAM.
29233.invalid wrote:
On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 13:47:01 -0700, TwoGuns wrote:
On Sep 18, 3:01 pm, "Newshound" wrote:
"TwoGuns" wrote in message

roups.com...

Take the 60 question test and see how your results compare to those of
students at some of America's elite Universities and Colleges. I was
disappointed in my score. . . until I compared it to the results of
students from Harvard, Yale and some of the elite schools.

Enjoy,
Dennis

er, you will need to post the link!

Sorry about that. Now I really do feel like a dumbass LOL.
Dennis
http://www.americancivicliteracy.org/

You answered 52 out of 60 correctly 86.67 %
Average score for this quiz during September: 73.0%
Average score since September 18, 2007: 73.0%

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only count once toward the monthly average.

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Where to from here?
Answers to Your Missed Questions:
Question #5 - D. Yorktown
Question #9 - B. was a stalemate.
Question #13 - B. the nature and control of Reconstruction.
Question #23 - B. Marbury v. Madison.
Question #32 - B. Common Sense.
Question #35 - A. discouraged new colonies in the Western hemisphere.
Question #55 - E. increased for the lower and middle classes and
increased most for the upper class.
Question #60 - B. social security.

I got 40 out of 60

considering i'm not even American and am above the US university
average thats not good

On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:29:21 -0400, the renowned Stuart Wheaton
wrote:

Ignoramus29233 wrote:
On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 13:47:01 -0700, TwoGuns wrote:
On Sep 18, 3:01 pm, "Newshound" wrote:
"TwoGuns" wrote in message

ups.com...

Take the 60 question test and see how your results compare to those of
students at some of America's elite Universities and Colleges. I was
disappointed in my score. . . until I compared it to the results of
students from Harvard, Yale and some of the elite schools.
Enjoy,
Dennis
er, you will need to post the link!
Sorry about that. Now I really do feel like a dumbass LOL.
Dennis
http://www.americancivicliteracy.org/


You answered 52 out of 60 correctly 86.67 %
Average score for this quiz during September: 73.0%
Average score since September 18, 2007: 73.0%

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only count once toward the monthly average.

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scored on each question as part of the survey administration.

Where to from here?
Answers to Your Missed Questions:
Question #5 - D. Yorktown
Question #9 - B. was a stalemate.
Question #13 - B. the nature and control of Reconstruction.
Question #23 - B. Marbury v. Madison.
Question #32 - B. Common Sense.
Question #35 - A. discouraged new colonies in the Western hemisphere.
Question #55 - E. increased for the lower and middle classes and
increased most for the upper class.
Question #60 - B. social security.

I got 51 right, between us, the only one we both missed was 60...

Did you say 'Interest on the debt' too?

Stuart

45 out of 60 (75%) and I've never studied American Civics, so a C is
about right.


Question #2 - B. stressed the sinfulness of all humanity.
Question #5 - D. Yorktown
Question #7 - B. Fort Sumter, Gettysburg, Appomattox
Question #10 - E. slavery and its expansion.
Question #11 - C. 1851-1875
Question #19 - C. philosopher kings.
Question #21 - A. support ratification of the U.S. Constitution.
Question #23 - B. Marbury v. Madison.
Question #26 - D. John Locke.
Question #33 - C. To receive ambassadors.
Question #35 - A. discouraged new colonies in the Western hemisphere.
Question #36 - D. The authority of a legitimate sovereign.
Question #53 - B. a resident can benefit from it without directly
paying for it.
Question #58 - B. An increase in the volume of commercial bank loans.
Question #60 - B. social security.



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I asked a high school senior when Columbus discovered America. His
answer was 1942. So obviously he was taught the answer but not how to
think and be self correcting.
Karl


On Sep 18, 6:10 pm, "Jerry Foster"
wrote:
"Ed Huntress" wrote in message

...







"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...

"TwoGuns" wrote in message
oups.com...

Take the 60 question test...

BTW, I was relieved to see that my son's university scored 3rd in the
nation, well above Princeton, etc. It makes my financial pain a little
easier to take.

However, I'm not happy with any of those scores, which are abyssmal, IMO.

--
Ed Huntress

Abysmal (one "s," Ed...) is an understatement. I missed 3 (95%) and I'm an
engineer, not an historian. And I haven't set foot in a classroom in more
years
than I choose to admit.

But I was one of those who dropped out of college and went back later. They
made me take a U.S. History class I didn't want. It seemed to me to be more
or less at a junior high level. I was talking to the professor after one
day and
said that I was rather disappointed in his class. He pointed out that, for
many
of the students, this was their first exposure to the material. Now, we had
a lot
of students that were not U.S. natives. So, I retorted that, for graduates
of a
foreign high school that were not ready for a college level American History
course, perhaps a remedial class would be in order.

The professor's eyebrows went up, he shook his head and said, "I'm not
talking
about the foreign students."- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Ignoramus29233 wrote:

Sorry about that. Now I really do feel like a dumbass LOL.
Dennis
http://www.americancivicliteracy.org/


You answered 52 out of 60 correctly 86.67 %
Average score for this quiz during September: 73.0%
Average score since September 18, 2007: 73.0%

You can take the quiz as often as you like, however, your score will
only count once toward the monthly average.

Darn that wasn't very easy.

You answered 50 out of 60 correctly — 83.33 %
Average score for this quiz during September: 72.5%
Average score since September 18, 2007: 72.5%

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Answers to Your Missed Questions:
Question #1 - D. 1601-1700
Question #8 - E. Thomas Jefferson's letters.
Question #18 - D. The Declaration of Independence.
Question #19 - C. philosopher kings.
Question #21 - A. support ratification of the U.S. Constitution.
Question #34 - B. President Washington's Farewell Address.
Question #35 - A. discouraged new colonies in the Western hemisphere.
Question #36 - D. The authority of a legitimate sovereign.
Question #53 - B. a resident can benefit from it without directly paying for
it.
Question #58 - B. An increase in the volume of commercial bank loans.

Wes

"Wes" wrote in message
...
Ignoramus29233 wrote:

Sorry about that. Now I really do feel like a dumbass LOL.
Dennis
http://www.americancivicliteracy.org/


You answered 52 out of 60 correctly 86.67 %
Average score for this quiz during September: 73.0%
Average score since September 18, 2007: 73.0%

You can take the quiz as often as you like, however, your score will
only count once toward the monthly average.

Darn that wasn't very easy.

You answered 50 out of 60 correctly - 83.33 %

It wasn't easy, but it's interesting to me that posters to this NG scored so
high. Our average must be around 50 or so, which I consider pretty good for
someone who doesn't read history for fun or as part of his or her job. The
average age for this NG is probably pretty high, too, and you can forget a
lot of details if you don't keep up with the subject(s).

I suspect we'd do well against elite college students in many areas,
including math and science. We have a lot of years of experience, and
there's some degree of advantage because many of us care about the content
of these subjects in one way or another--a fact that counterbalances the
tendency to forget over time. What's left for the students? I'd say English,
except that most posters here are quite articulate and write at a very high
level. I think we're well above the level of typical college students.

Maybe we should all apply for honorary PhDs...

--
Ed Huntress

On Sep 19, 7:26 am, " wrote:
I asked a high school senior when Columbus discovered America. His
answer was 1942. So obviously he was taught the answer but not how to
think and be self correcting.
Karl


Maybe I'm odd But;

To me thats worse than not knowing. I have a parakeet in my living
room that i can teach that trick to. It doesnt have to know anything
to answer back 1492 if it hears the word columbus. "Parrotting"
answers doesn't add comprehension and is a sign that they didnt
actually UNDERSTAND anything they just repeated.

Isn't it Scary that a highschool senior can repeat but not yet think?
I hope I'm not the only person bothered by a statement like that

Brent

On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:30:28 -0400, Ed Huntress wrote:

"Wes" wrote in message
...
Ignoramus29233 wrote:

Sorry about that. Now I really do feel like a dumbass LOL.
Dennis
http://www.americancivicliteracy.org/


You answered 52 out of 60 correctly 86.67 %
Average score for this quiz during September: 73.0%
Average score since September 18, 2007: 73.0%

You can take the quiz as often as you like, however, your score will
only count once toward the monthly average.

Darn that wasn't very easy.

You answered 50 out of 60 correctly - 83.33 %

It wasn't easy, but it's interesting to me that posters to this NG scored so
high. Our average must be around 50 or so, which I consider pretty good for
someone who doesn't read history for fun or as part of his or her job. The
average age for this NG is probably pretty high, too, and you can forget a
lot of details if you don't keep up with the subject(s).

I suspect we'd do well against elite college students in many areas,
including math and science. We have a lot of years of experience, and
there's some degree of advantage because many of us care about the content
of these subjects in one way or another--a fact that counterbalances the
tendency to forget over time. What's left for the students? I'd say English,
except that most posters here are quite articulate and write at a very high
level. I think we're well above the level of typical college students.

Maybe we should all apply for honorary PhDs...

The test mostly tests of how well read the test taker is. College
students did not yet have much time to become well read.

i

"Ignoramus29233" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:30:28 -0400, Ed Huntress
wrote:

"Wes" wrote in message
...
Ignoramus29233 wrote:

Sorry about that. Now I really do feel like a dumbass LOL.
Dennis
http://www.americancivicliteracy.org/


You answered 52 out of 60 correctly 86.67 %
Average score for this quiz during September: 73.0%
Average score since September 18, 2007: 73.0%

You can take the quiz as often as you like, however, your score will
only count once toward the monthly average.

Darn that wasn't very easy.

You answered 50 out of 60 correctly - 83.33 %

It wasn't easy, but it's interesting to me that posters to this NG scored
so
high. Our average must be around 50 or so, which I consider pretty good
for
someone who doesn't read history for fun or as part of his or her job.
The
average age for this NG is probably pretty high, too, and you can forget
a
lot of details if you don't keep up with the subject(s).

I suspect we'd do well against elite college students in many areas,
including math and science. We have a lot of years of experience, and
there's some degree of advantage because many of us care about the
content
of these subjects in one way or another--a fact that counterbalances the
tendency to forget over time. What's left for the students? I'd say
English,
except that most posters here are quite articulate and write at a very
high
level. I think we're well above the level of typical college students.

Maybe we should all apply for honorary PhDs...

The test mostly tests of how well read the test taker is. College
students did not yet have much time to become well read.

I don't disagree. And the way history is presented in schools is not very
memorable. I hope I get my son to take the test, because he is pretty
well-read and he's studied a lot of American History. If he doesn't do as
well as Dad, it will tell me something.

He already has a heavy reading and test-taking load, so I'm sure that taking
a test for fun or curiosity doesn't appeal to him very much. OTOH, he does
like to beat Dad at almost everything. I have to tap into that. d8-)

--
Ed Huntress

On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:35:07 -0700, Brent
wrote:


I got 40 out of 60

considering i'm not even American and am above the US university
average thats not good

I am Australian and scored 41/60, most of my failures were obscure
American history.

On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 00:22:45 -0500, Spehro Pefhany wrote:

"TwoGuns" wrote in message


Take the 60 question test and see how your results compare to those
of students at some of America's elite Universities and Colleges. I
was disappointed in my score. . . until I compared it to the
results of students from Harvard, Yale and some of the elite
schools. Enjoy,

http://www.americancivicliteracy.org/


You answered 52 out of 60 correctly 86.67 % Average score for this
quiz during September: 73.0% Average score since September 18, 2007:
73.0%

I attended school in the UK where, for some reason, American History and
Civics isn't a big thing. So, sorry, I only got 68.33%, that'll drag
the September average down guys! My apologies.
I noted the obligatory mention of Canada (there HAS to be at least one
mention in every US movie anyway), and so I got number 5 correct. I
emigrated to Canada in 1962.
Same as you Spehro, got number 60 as "interest on the national debt".
Would have answered the same for most Western nations. Interesting test
for me at any rate.
Mike in BC

Where to from here?
Answers to Your Missed Questions:
Question #5 - D. Yorktown
Question #9 - B. was a stalemate.
Question #13 - B. the nature and control of Reconstruction.
Question #23 - B. Marbury v. Madison.
Question #32 - B. Common Sense.
Question #35 - A. discouraged new colonies in the Western hemisphere.
Question #55 - E. increased for the lower and middle classes and
increased most for the upper class.
Question #60 - B. social security.

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...

"Wes" wrote in message
...
Ignoramus29233 wrote:

Sorry about that. Now I really do feel like a dumbass LOL.
Dennis
http://www.americancivicliteracy.org/


You answered 52 out of 60 correctly 86.67 %
Average score for this quiz during September: 73.0%
Average score since September 18, 2007: 73.0%

You can take the quiz as often as you like, however, your score will
only count once toward the monthly average.

Darn that wasn't very easy.

You answered 50 out of 60 correctly - 83.33 %

It wasn't easy, but it's interesting to me that posters to this NG scored
so
high. Our average must be around 50 or so, which I consider pretty good
for
someone who doesn't read history for fun or as part of his or her job. The
average age for this NG is probably pretty high, too, and you can forget a
lot of details if you don't keep up with the subject(s).

I suspect we'd do well against elite college students in many areas,
including math and science. We have a lot of years of experience, and
there's some degree of advantage because many of us care about the content
of these subjects in one way or another--a fact that counterbalances the
tendency to forget over time. What's left for the students? I'd say
English,
except that most posters here are quite articulate and write at a very
high
level. I think we're well above the level of typical college students.

Maybe we should all apply for honorary PhDs...

--
Ed Huntress



I think that most of us are older is to our advantage. I learned most of
what was on this little quiz in high school. And, when I was a kid, you
learned or you flunked. The schools were not at all bashful about this.
But things are different today.

I could go into a long story, but the bottom line is that the high schools,
at least the big schools here in California, will do a pretty good job of
teaching those students who want to learn. And they will let those students
slide who want to slide. Unfortunately, it seems that the only students who
want to learn are the Asians who are generally fortunate enough to have
parents who value education.

And, finally, with reference to this NG, I've never met a machinist who
wasn't rather intelligent... and opinionated... and ornery...

Jerry

"Jerry Foster" wrote in message
...

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...

"Wes" wrote in message
...
Ignoramus29233 wrote:

Sorry about that. Now I really do feel like a dumbass LOL.
Dennis
http://www.americancivicliteracy.org/


You answered 52 out of 60 correctly 86.67 %
Average score for this quiz during September: 73.0%
Average score since September 18, 2007: 73.0%

You can take the quiz as often as you like, however, your score will
only count once toward the monthly average.

Darn that wasn't very easy.

You answered 50 out of 60 correctly - 83.33 %

It wasn't easy, but it's interesting to me that posters to this NG scored
so
high. Our average must be around 50 or so, which I consider pretty good
for
someone who doesn't read history for fun or as part of his or her job.
The
average age for this NG is probably pretty high, too, and you can forget
a
lot of details if you don't keep up with the subject(s).

I suspect we'd do well against elite college students in many areas,
including math and science. We have a lot of years of experience, and
there's some degree of advantage because many of us care about the
content
of these subjects in one way or another--a fact that counterbalances the
tendency to forget over time. What's left for the students? I'd say
English,
except that most posters here are quite articulate and write at a very
high
level. I think we're well above the level of typical college students.

Maybe we should all apply for honorary PhDs...

--
Ed Huntress



I think that most of us are older is to our advantage. I learned most of
what was on this little quiz in high school. And, when I was a kid, you
learned or you flunked. The schools were not at all bashful about this.
But things are different today.

I could go into a long story, but the bottom line is that the high
schools,
at least the big schools here in California, will do a pretty good job of
teaching those students who want to learn. And they will let those
students
slide who want to slide. Unfortunately, it seems that the only students
who
want to learn are the Asians who are generally fortunate enough to have
parents who value education.

And, finally, with reference to this NG, I've never met a machinist who
wasn't rather intelligent... and opinionated... and ornery...

Jerry

Yes, I agree on all counts. I attended what was then one of the better
public high schools in the country (Princeton High School, Princeton, NJ)
and it clearly gave me a leg up in college. But my son's high school
education was far better than mine in every subject. He was a full year
ahead of me in math, biology, history, art, and just about everything else.
He had opportunities to take all kinds of advanced classes and he grabbed
them all.

Given good schools, one can get a good education in a public high school --
or slide through, as you say.

--
Ed Huntress

"Ed Huntress" wrote:

It wasn't easy, but it's interesting to me that posters to this NG scored so
high. Our average must be around 50 or so, which I consider pretty good for
someone who doesn't read history for fun or as part of his or her job. The
average age for this NG is probably pretty high, too, and you can forget a
lot of details if you don't keep up with the subject(s).


I think most of us are from when the educational system was in the business
of teaching rather than social engineering. The feds poking its nose into
this has not made things better. Let each state manage its affairs and the
other states look around to see if other states are doing it better and copy
it. The feds take the approach that since they are feds they know best.
Keep as much of education policy local with parent involvement.

I'm all for attaching funding to the student so options other than the
public system can be exercised by the parent. Education in this country,
for the most part, is a government monopoly. While I'm a back sliding
Baptist, I fully endorse the efforts of the Catholic parochial school
systems. The are many Protestant children in parochial schools on a space
available basis. That system expects the parents to be involved as in what
days will you be here to help.


I'm closing in on 50 in December.

I suspect we'd do well against elite college students in many areas,
including math and science. We have a lot of years of experience, and
there's some degree of advantage because many of us care about the content
of these subjects in one way or another--a fact that counterbalances the
tendency to forget over time. What's left for the students? I'd say English,
except that most posters here are quite articulate and write at a very high
level. I think we're well above the level of typical college students.

Most people on this list are just plain interested in how things work. Some
student with a head full of mush often doesn't even have a clue about what
he or she wants to do.

From some of the political posts on this group (yes, I'm one of them) there
must be quite a few people that are interested in the history of our country
and how our system was formed.

To some degree, elite is over rated, elite imho is often just keeping the
riffraff out. Ever wonder why the rich and famous eat at very expensive
places? Because you and I, the common people, won't be there. The same
thing follows in many cases for 'prestigious' schools.

I'm not saying schools such as Yale and Harvard do not offer quality
education but I am noting that alumni, expecially well heeled alumni can get
their kid in based on dad's wallet and not based on the kids merrits.

Maybe we should all apply for honorary PhDs...

I'd like to have a BS or BA. Wouldn't make me smarter but my salary range
would improve.


Wes

Alan wrote:

I am Australian and scored 41/60, most of my failures were obscure
American history.

Well done! I wouldn't even hazard a guess on my ability to answer a test on
your political/economic system.

Things I know about Austrailia:

Water rotates the wrong way down the drain.
Summer is off a bit on the calendar.
There is a fence across a lot of real estate called the 'great dog fence'.
You don't know when to stop adding trailers to a semi.
For a bunch of riffraff shipped off from England you turned out allright.
You have some real gun haters in your government.
Whenever the US has been in a fighting war, you've been there with us.
I hear you think warm beer is good, or is that the Germans?

Wes

In article ,
Ignoramus29233 wrote:

Answers to Your Missed Questions:
Question #5 - D. Yorktown
Question #9 - B. was a stalemate.
Question #13 - B. the nature and control of Reconstruction.
Question #23 - B. Marbury v. Madison.
Question #32 - B. Common Sense.
Question #35 - A. discouraged new colonies in the Western hemisphere.
Question #55 - E. increased for the lower and middle classes and
increased most for the upper class.
Question #60 - B. social security.

Fascinating, those are almost exactly the same ones I got wrong.

--
-Ed Falk,
http://thespamdiaries.blogspot.com/

On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 19:17:19 +0000 (UTC), Edward A. Falk wrote:
In article ,
Ignoramus29233 wrote:

Answers to Your Missed Questions:
Question #5 - D. Yorktown
Question #9 - B. was a stalemate.
Question #13 - B. the nature and control of Reconstruction.
Question #23 - B. Marbury v. Madison.
Question #32 - B. Common Sense.
Question #35 - A. discouraged new colonies in the Western hemisphere.
Question #55 - E. increased for the lower and middle classes and
increased most for the upper class.
Question #60 - B. social security.

Fascinating, those are almost exactly the same ones I got wrong.


One has to wonder if, perhaps, thos questions are not as unambiguous
as the authors hoped....

i

"Ignoramus29233" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 19:17:19 +0000 (UTC), Edward A. Falk
wrote:
In article ,
Ignoramus29233 wrote:

Answers to Your Missed Questions:
Question #5 - D. Yorktown
Question #9 - B. was a stalemate.
Question #13 - B. the nature and control of Reconstruction.
Question #23 - B. Marbury v. Madison.
Question #32 - B. Common Sense.
Question #35 - A. discouraged new colonies in the Western hemisphere.
Question #55 - E. increased for the lower and middle classes and
increased most for the upper class.
Question #60 - B. social security.

Fascinating, those are almost exactly the same ones I got wrong.


One has to wonder if, perhaps, thos questions are not as unambiguous
as the authors hoped....

Ah, I don't know about that. The only one of those I got wrong was #35,
which is something that slipped past me in school, I guess. The rest are
pretty straightforward facts even if some are a little obscure.

That is *not* the only one I got wrong on the test, however. I scored a 55
but I didn't think to save the results like you guys did.

--
Ed Huntress

On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 12:55:32 -0700, TwoGuns wrote:

Take the 60 question test and see how your results compare to those of
students at some of America's elite Universities and Colleges. I was
disappointed in my score. . . until I compared it to the results of
students from Harvard, Yale and some of the elite schools.

Enjoy,
Dennis

A random datum:-

You answered 38 out of 60 correctly — 63.33 %

I stopped studying English history at 13 and _never_ studied American history.
It did seem to me that a number of questions were based on politically correct
American opinion rather than fact, But that may just be because I am not a
product of the American education system.


Mark Rand
RTFM

Ed Huntress wrote:

It wasn't easy, but it's interesting to me that posters to this NG scored so
high. Our average must be around 50 or so, which I consider pretty good for
someone who doesn't read history for fun or as part of his or her job. The
average age for this NG is probably pretty high, too, and you can forget a
lot of details if you don't keep up with the subject(s).

I suspect we'd do well against elite college students in many areas,
including math and science. We have a lot of years of experience, and
there's some degree of advantage because many of us care about the content
of these subjects in one way or another--a fact that counterbalances the
tendency to forget over time. What's left for the students? I'd say English,
except that most posters here are quite articulate and write at a very high
level. I think we're well above the level of typical college students.

Maybe we should all apply for honorary PhDs...

--
Ed Huntress



I can hardly wait for the first episode of
"Are you smarter than a metalworker / old fart?"


technomaNge
--
I spell "not interested" with 3 "F"s, a "C", a "K",
plus the vowels "O" and "U".
(Stolen from Gerry on r.c.m.)

On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:09:38 -0400, Wes wrote:


I'd like to have a BS or BA. Wouldn't make me smarter but my salary range
would improve.


Wes

Not necessarily. I have an Honours degree in Electrical Engineering, If I
wasn't a diabetic, I could earn more money for the same hours driving a semi
for the area Pepsi distributor!


Mark Rand
RTFM

On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 19:50:43 -0500, with neither quill nor qualm,
technomaNge quickly quoth:

Ed Huntress wrote:

It wasn't easy, but it's interesting to me that posters to this NG scored so
high. Our average must be around 50 or so, which I consider pretty good for
someone who doesn't read history for fun or as part of his or her job. The
average age for this NG is probably pretty high, too, and you can forget a
lot of details if you don't keep up with the subject(s).

I suspect we'd do well against elite college students in many areas,
including math and science. We have a lot of years of experience, and
there's some degree of advantage because many of us care about the content
of these subjects in one way or another--a fact that counterbalances the
tendency to forget over time. What's left for the students? I'd say English,
except that most posters here are quite articulate and write at a very high
level. I think we're well above the level of typical college students.

Maybe we should all apply for honorary PhDs...

Newp. Most of the fuds I work with are quite braindead. It appears
that all that time around the edu system just beat it out of you.
Sad, really.


I can hardly wait for the first episode of
"Are you smarter than a metalworker / old fart?"

If you're still watching what passes for TV in this day and age, you
have already lost that battle, TM. bseg

--

According to our strength of character and our clarity of vision, we will
endure, we will succeed, we will have contributed something to make life
where we were and as we lived it better, brighter, and more beautiful.
-- Frank Lloyd Wright

TwoGuns wrote:
Take the 60 question test and see how your results compare to those of
students at some of America's elite Universities and Colleges. I was
disappointed in my score. . . until I compared it to the results of
students from Harvard, Yale and some of the elite schools.

Enjoy,
Dennis

Where is this test? I had a computer failure and had to start
over with grandaughters computer and thought 500000 or some such
was too much to download so just took the 500 and must have
missed the start of the thread.
Have read the responses since this post.
...lew...