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"technomaNge" wrote in message ... Ed Huntress wrote: It wasn't easy, but it's interesting to me that posters to this NG scored so high. Our average must be around 50 or so, which I consider pretty good for someone who doesn't read history for fun or as part of his or her job. The average age for this NG is probably pretty high, too, and you can forget a lot of details if you don't keep up with the subject(s). I suspect we'd do well against elite college students in many areas, including math and science. We have a lot of years of experience, and there's some degree of advantage because many of us care about the content of these subjects in one way or another--a fact that counterbalances the tendency to forget over time. What's left for the students? I'd say English, except that most posters here are quite articulate and write at a very high level. I think we're well above the level of typical college students. Maybe we should all apply for honorary PhDs... -- Ed Huntress I can hardly wait for the first episode of "Are you smarter than a metalworker / old fart?" Hey, that's not a bad idea... -- Ed Huntress |
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Where is this test? I had a computer failure and had to start over with grandaughters computer and thought 500000 or some such was too much to download so just took the 500 and must have missed the start of the thread. Have read the responses since this post. ...lew... Lew, Click on this link then scroll down to "Civics Quiz" on the left side of the page. http://www.americancivicliteracy.org/ That should get you there, Dennis |
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On Sep 18, 3:01 pm, "Newshound" wrote: "TwoGuns" wrote in message roups.com... Take the 60 question test and see how your results compare to those of students at some of America's elite Universities and Colleges. I was disappointed in my score. . . until I compared it to the results of students from Harvard, Yale and some of the elite schools. Enjoy, Dennis er, you will need to post the link! Sorry about that. Now I really do feel like a dumbass LOL. Dennis http://www.americancivicliteracy.org/ You answered 52 out of 60 correctly — 86.67 % Average score for this quiz during September: 75.1% Average score since September 18, 2007: 75.1% .................. Where to from here? Answers to Your Missed Questions: Question #8 - E. Thomas Jefferson's letters. Question #15 - B. The Supreme Court struck down most legal restrictions on it in Roe v. Wade. Question #19 - C. philosopher kings. Question #23 - B. Marbury v. Madison. Question #30 - D. establishing an official religion for the United States. Question #34 - B. President Washington's Farewell Address. Question #36 - D. The authority of a legitimate sovereign. Question #39 - D. Alexis de Tocqueville’s Democracy in America. Some questions a trifle too US specific for me. Tom |
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On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 00:22:45 -0500, Spehro Pefhany
wrote: On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:29:21 -0400, the renowned Stuart Wheaton wrote: Ignoramus29233 wrote: On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 13:47:01 -0700, TwoGuns wrote: On Sep 18, 3:01 pm, "Newshound" wrote: "TwoGuns" wrote in message ups.com... Take the 60 question test and see how your results compare to those of students at some of America's elite Universities and Colleges. I was disappointed in my score. . . until I compared it to the results of students from Harvard, Yale and some of the elite schools. Enjoy, Dennis er, you will need to post the link! Sorry about that. Now I really do feel like a dumbass LOL. Dennis http://www.americancivicliteracy.org/ You answered 52 out of 60 correctly 86.67 % Average score for this quiz during September: 73.0% Average score since September 18, 2007: 73.0% You can take the quiz as often as you like, however, your score will only count once toward the monthly average. If you have any comments or questions about the quiz, please email . You can consult the following table to see how freshmen and seniors scored on each question as part of the survey administration. Where to from here? Answers to Your Missed Questions: Question #5 - D. Yorktown Question #9 - B. was a stalemate. Question #13 - B. the nature and control of Reconstruction. Question #23 - B. Marbury v. Madison. Question #32 - B. Common Sense. Question #35 - A. discouraged new colonies in the Western hemisphere. Question #55 - E. increased for the lower and middle classes and increased most for the upper class. Question #60 - B. social security. I got 51 right, between us, the only one we both missed was 60... Did you say 'Interest on the debt' too? Stuart 45 out of 60 (75%) and I've never studied American Civics, so a C is about right. Question #2 - B. stressed the sinfulness of all humanity. Question #5 - D. Yorktown Question #7 - B. Fort Sumter, Gettysburg, Appomattox Question #10 - E. slavery and its expansion. Question #11 - C. 1851-1875 Question #19 - C. philosopher kings. Question #21 - A. support ratification of the U.S. Constitution. Question #23 - B. Marbury v. Madison. Question #26 - D. John Locke. Question #33 - C. To receive ambassadors. Question #35 - A. discouraged new colonies in the Western hemisphere. Question #36 - D. The authority of a legitimate sovereign. Question #53 - B. a resident can benefit from it without directly paying for it. Question #58 - B. An increase in the volume of commercial bank loans. Question #60 - B. social security. Best regards, Spehro Pefhany You answered 56 out of 60 correctly — 93.33 % Average score for this quiz during September: 75.1% Average score since September 18, 2007: 75.1% You can take the quiz as often as you like, however, your score will only count once toward the monthly average. If you have any comments or questions about the quiz, please email . You can consult the following table to see how freshmen and seniors scored on each question as part of the survey administration. Where to from here? Answers to Your Missed Questions: Question #1 - D. 1601-1700 Question #21 - A. support ratification of the U.S. Constitution. Question #50 - A. the price system utilizes more local knowledge of means and ends. Question #54 - D. can be reversed by government spending more than it taxes. Should have read em slower.... Gunner |
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What bothers me is he's a normal person. He could have been taught ot
think. Karl On Sep 19, 3:42 am, Brent wrote: On Sep 19, 7:26 am, " wrote: I asked a high school senior when Columbus discovered America. His answer was 1942. So obviously he was taught the answer but not how to think and be self correcting. Karl Maybe I'm odd But; To me thats worse than not knowing. I have a parakeet in my living room that i can teach that trick to. It doesnt have to know anything to answer back 1492 if it hears the word columbus. "Parrotting" answers doesn't add comprehension and is a sign that they didnt actually UNDERSTAND anything they just repeated. Isn't it Scary that a highschool senior can repeat but not yet think? I hope I'm not the only person bothered by a statement like that Brent |
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The high school I went to and now my sisters kids go to almost has a
50 % dropout rate.It's being hidden so they don't lose their money. Karl On Sep 19, 6:31 am, "Jerry Foster" wrote: "Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "Wes" wrote in message ... Ignoramus29233 wrote: Sorry about that. Now I really do feel like a dumbass LOL. Dennis http://www.americancivicliteracy.org/ You answered 52 out of 60 correctly 86.67 % Average score for this quiz during September: 73.0% Average score since September 18, 2007: 73.0% You can take the quiz as often as you like, however, your score will only count once toward the monthly average. Darn that wasn't very easy. You answered 50 out of 60 correctly - 83.33 % It wasn't easy, but it's interesting to me that posters to this NG scored so high. Our average must be around 50 or so, which I consider pretty good for someone who doesn't read history for fun or as part of his or her job. The average age for this NG is probably pretty high, too, and you can forget a lot of details if you don't keep up with the subject(s). I suspect we'd do well against elite college students in many areas, including math and science. We have a lot of years of experience, and there's some degree of advantage because many of us care about the content of these subjects in one way or another--a fact that counterbalances the tendency to forget over time. What's left for the students? I'd say English, except that most posters here are quite articulate and write at a very high level. I think we're well above the level of typical college students. Maybe we should all apply for honorary PhDs... -- Ed Huntress I think that most of us are older is to our advantage. I learned most of what was on this little quiz in high school. And, when I was a kid, you learned or you flunked. The schools were not at all bashful about this. But things are different today. I could go into a long story, but the bottom line is that the high schools, at least the big schools here in California, will do a pretty good job of teaching those students who want to learn. And they will let those students slide who want to slide. Unfortunately, it seems that the only students who want to learn are the Asians who are generally fortunate enough to have parents who value education. And, finally, with reference to this NG, I've never met a machinist who wasn't rather intelligent... and opinionated... and ornery... Jerry- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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Its a bit of a worry when us Aussies can get a better score than some
of your US college graduates. A few guesses in there but I note that a few of you guys got some of mine wrong as well. You answered 44 out of 60 correctly — 73.33 % Average score for this quiz during September: 75.3% Average score since September 18, 2007: 75.3% Question #5 - D. Yorktown Question #7 - B. Fort Sumter, Gettysburg, Appomattox Question #8 - E. Thomas Jefferson's letters. Question #13 - B. the nature and control of Reconstruction. Question #18 - D. The Declaration of Independence. Question #19 - C. philosopher kings. Question #21 - A. support ratification of the U.S. Constitution. Question #23 - B. Marbury v. Madison. Question #24 - D. A political system where state and national governments share power. Question #31 - A. Edmund Burke argued that society consists of a union of past, present, and future generations. Question #32 - B. Common Sense. Question #33 - C. To receive ambassadors. Question #34 - B. President Washington's Farewell Address. Question #43 - A. A state that seeks to expand its power generates resistance by other states. Question #58 - B. An increase in the volume of commercial bank loans. Question #60 - B. social security. Its the Poms that like their warm beer not us. Bob. On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:17:14 -0400, Wes wrote: Alan wrote: I am Australian and scored 41/60, most of my failures were obscure American history. Well done! I wouldn't even hazard a guess on my ability to answer a test on your political/economic system. Things I know about Austrailia: Water rotates the wrong way down the drain. Summer is off a bit on the calendar. There is a fence across a lot of real estate called the 'great dog fence'. You don't know when to stop adding trailers to a semi. For a bunch of riffraff shipped off from England you turned out allright. You have some real gun haters in your government. Whenever the US has been in a fighting war, you've been there with us. I hear you think warm beer is good, or is that the Germans? Wes |
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TwoGuns wrote:
.... Answers to Your Missed Questions: Question #5 - D. Yorktown Question #9 - B. was a stalemate. Question #13 - B. the nature and control of Reconstruction. Question #23 - B. Marbury v. Madison. Question #32 - B. Common Sense. Question #35 - A. discouraged new colonies in the Western hemisphere. Question #55 - E. increased for the lower and middle classes and increased most for the upper class. Question #60 - B. social security. Those are very much the same as the ones that I missed. I wonder what the distribution of answers is? That would be interesting to see. I mean if 95% of the quiz takers got the "Marbury v. Madison" question wrong that says more about the question that it does about the quiz takers. Some of the stuff was so obscure that I was irritated at being asked. Who cares if it was "Marbury v. Madison" - what matters is the principle. My $.02, Bob |
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On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 14:28:25 -0400, Bob Engelhardt
wrote: TwoGuns wrote: ... Answers to Your Missed Questions: Question #5 - D. Yorktown Question #9 - B. was a stalemate. Question #13 - B. the nature and control of Reconstruction. Question #23 - B. Marbury v. Madison. Question #32 - B. Common Sense. Question #35 - A. discouraged new colonies in the Western hemisphere. Question #55 - E. increased for the lower and middle classes and increased most for the upper class. Question #60 - B. social security. Those are very much the same as the ones that I missed. I wonder what the distribution of answers is? That would be interesting to see. I mean if 95% of the quiz takers got the "Marbury v. Madison" question wrong that says more about the question that it does about the quiz takers. Some of the stuff was so obscure that I was irritated at being asked. Who cares if it was "Marbury v. Madison" - what matters is the principle. My $.02, Bob Not only obscure, but I have several books within less than 10 feet of me that would answer all of their questions. Not to mention the internet. Knowing where to look for the answer in a timely manner (and having a place to look) is far more important in my opinion. Filling ones head full of trivia is only useful if you plan on being a Jeopardy contestant -- Leon Fisk Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b Remove no.spam for email |
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"Stuart Wheaton" wrote in message ... Bob Engelhardt wrote: TwoGuns wrote: ... Answers to Your Missed Questions: Question #5 - D. Yorktown Question #9 - B. was a stalemate. Question #13 - B. the nature and control of Reconstruction. Question #23 - B. Marbury v. Madison. Question #32 - B. Common Sense. Question #35 - A. discouraged new colonies in the Western hemisphere. Question #55 - E. increased for the lower and middle classes and increased most for the upper class. Question #60 - B. social security. Those are very much the same as the ones that I missed. I wonder what the distribution of answers is? That would be interesting to see. I mean if 95% of the quiz takers got the "Marbury v. Madison" question wrong that says more about the question that it does about the quiz takers. 52% of freshmen got it right, 41% of seniors, it had the highest rate of 'unlearning' in the entire test. If you look under the sidebar "Tables" and scroll down, you will find a table that lists exactly what you ask for. It shows the percentage of students who got each question right. Some of the stuff was so obscure that I was irritated at being asked. Who cares if it was "Marbury v. Madison" - what matters is the principle. If you refer to Roe v. Wade do you expect people to know what you are talking about? I don't think Roe v. Wade should be overturned because I don't want a return to segregation. (Or was that that other case...) Stuart You have to know Marbury if you want to understand how it is that the Supreme Court gets to decide the constitutionality of laws. It isn't in the Constitution itself. The Supreme Court decided it had the power in that famous case. It's a vitally important part of American constitutional history. -- Ed Huntress |
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Bob Engelhardt wrote:
TwoGuns wrote: ... Answers to Your Missed Questions: Question #5 - D. Yorktown Question #9 - B. was a stalemate. Question #13 - B. the nature and control of Reconstruction. Question #23 - B. Marbury v. Madison. Question #32 - B. Common Sense. Question #35 - A. discouraged new colonies in the Western hemisphere. Question #55 - E. increased for the lower and middle classes and increased most for the upper class. Question #60 - B. social security. Those are very much the same as the ones that I missed. I wonder what the distribution of answers is? That would be interesting to see. I mean if 95% of the quiz takers got the "Marbury v. Madison" question wrong that says more about the question that it does about the quiz takers. 52% of freshmen got it right, 41% of seniors, it had the highest rate of 'unlearning' in the entire test. If you look under the sidebar "Tables" and scroll down, you will find a table that lists exactly what you ask for. It shows the percentage of students who got each question right. Some of the stuff was so obscure that I was irritated at being asked. Who cares if it was "Marbury v. Madison" - what matters is the principle. If you refer to Roe v. Wade do you expect people to know what you are talking about? I don't think Roe v. Wade should be overturned because I don't want a return to segregation. (Or was that that other case...) Stuart |
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Ed Huntress wrote:
You have to know Marbury if you want to understand how it is that the Supreme Court gets to decide the constitutionality of laws. It isn't in the Constitution itself. The Supreme Court decided it had the power in that famous case. It's a vitally important part of American constitutional history. It *is* interesting that it happened that way. What is vitally important, though, is that the court does have the power. I would give a student 90% for knowing that the court has the power to decide constitutionality and the other 10% if he knew it was because of Marbury. That's my perspective. Bob |
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On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 17:55:44 -0400, Stuart Wheaton
wrote: If you refer to Roe v. Wade do you expect people to know what you are talking about? I don't think Roe v. Wade should be overturned because I don't want a return to segregation. (Or was that that other case...) ======== IMNSHO what really screwed the pooch was Baker v Carr and Reynolds v Syms.[one man - one vote] This was Earl Warren's revenge on the state legislature that stopped his socialist program in its tracks when he was Governor of California when it was still a state with an operational form of republican [limited] government. He would be proud of the new Peoples' Republic and the proliferation of home owners associations. Unka' George [George McDuffee] ============ Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains. Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), U.S. president. Letter, 17 March 1814. |
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"F. George McDuffee" wrote in message ... On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 17:55:44 -0400, Stuart Wheaton wrote: If you refer to Roe v. Wade do you expect people to know what you are talking about? I don't think Roe v. Wade should be overturned because I don't want a return to segregation. (Or was that that other case...) ======== IMNSHO what really screwed the pooch was Baker v Carr and Reynolds v Syms.[one man - one vote] This was Earl Warren's revenge on the state legislature that stopped his socialist program in its tracks when he was Governor of California when it was still a state with an operational form of republican [limited] government. He would be proud of the new Peoples' Republic and the proliferation of home owners associations. "Socialist program"? What did that consist of, George? The big story about Warren on the Supreme Court, and the thing that made Eisenhower furious, was that he thought he'd appointed a hard-core conservative. That was Warren's reputation before he was made Chief Justice. -- Ed Huntress |
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I got 68.33%, not bad for a Canadian. Steve R. -- Reply address munged to bugger up spammers |
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Ed Huntress wrote:
"technomaNge" wrote in message ... Ed Huntress wrote: It wasn't easy, but it's interesting to me that posters to this NG scored so high. Our average must be around 50 or so, which I consider pretty good for someone who doesn't read history for fun or as part of his or her job. The average age for this NG is probably pretty high, too, and you can forget a lot of details if you don't keep up with the subject(s). I suspect we'd do well against elite college students in many areas, including math and science. We have a lot of years of experience, and there's some degree of advantage because many of us care about the content of these subjects in one way or another--a fact that counterbalances the tendency to forget over time. What's left for the students? I'd say English, except that most posters here are quite articulate and write at a very high level. I think we're well above the level of typical college students. Maybe we should all apply for honorary PhDs... -- Ed Huntress I can hardly wait for the first episode of "Are you smarter than a metalworker / old fart?" Hey, that's not a bad idea... They would have to cover the camera lens to protect it from some faces, so they might as well make it a radio program. ;-) How about: Extreme Metalworking, the video game where one person is the hapless metalworker, while the other players are crappy suppliers, crooked eBay tool dealers, family who don't understand WHY you want to work with metal, HOAs that want you to paint your tools according to their color scheme, and ungrateful customers? Oh, wait, that's real life. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
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On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 01:41:48 +0100, Mark Rand
wrote: A random datum:- You answered 38 out of 60 correctly — 63.33 % I stopped studying English history at 13 and _never_ studied American history. It did seem to me that a number of questions were based on politically correct American opinion rather than fact, Which ones? An outsiders view would be interesting. Gunner |
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