I just bought a Mossberg HS410 for my family (my youngest kid is 12, so
I wanted a smaller gun) and was looking for a folding stock that is
adjustable in length. There's a few for Mossberg bigger gages, but I
haven't been able to find one for this one. Is anyone aware of one that I
haven't found, or one that can be made to fit? There's a good bit of
difference in the sizes of the folks in my family, from 5'3" to 6'1", so a
comfortable stock will help a lot at the range.

On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 21:10:05 -0700, "Carl McIver"
wrote:

I just bought a Mossberg HS410 for my family (my youngest kid is 12, so
I wanted a smaller gun) and was looking for a folding stock that is
adjustable in length. There's a few for Mossberg bigger gages, but I
haven't been able to find one for this one. Is anyone aware of one that I
haven't found, or one that can be made to fit? There's a good bit of
difference in the sizes of the folks in my family, from 5'3" to 6'1", so a
comfortable stock will help a lot at the range.


Carl..you should have bought a 20 ga. It kicks Less than a 410 on
average. Felt recoil is less..and it packs a **** load more shot.

Gunner

Carl..you should have bought a 20 ga. It kicks Less than a 410 on
average. Felt recoil is less..and it packs a **** load more shot.

Na, I cut my teeth on a .410. The kids in town got a BB gun. Dad got me a
..410. Most fun gun I ever had. Wish I still owned it. Taught me to shoot
quickly before the bird is out of range.

To the OP, couldn't you modify the stock you got? Saw stock to shortest
length you want. Make lengths to bolt back on. Kinda like leafs in a table.
OTOH, I just learned to use that .410 as it was, my finger could hardly
reach the trigger at first.

Karl

On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 05:23:15 -0500, with neither quill nor qualm,
"Karl Townsend" quickly quoth:


Carl..you should have bought a 20 ga. It kicks Less than a 410 on
average. Felt recoil is less..and it packs a **** load more shot.

Na, I cut my teeth on a .410. The kids in town got a BB gun. Dad got me a
.410. Most fun gun I ever had. Wish I still owned it. Taught me to shoot
quickly before the bird is out of range.

To the OP, couldn't you modify the stock you got? Saw stock to shortest
length you want. Make lengths to bolt back on. Kinda like leafs in a table.

You might want to qualify that, Karl, by mentioning that he should
make sure that sawing off the stock won't put the gun into the
too-short league where they'd have the BATFE down their throats.

--
The only place you will be accepted is the place you make for yourself.
-- Holly Lisle, Fire In The Mist, 1992

On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 06:11:19 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote:

On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 05:23:15 -0500, with neither quill nor qualm,
"Karl Townsend" quickly quoth:


Carl..you should have bought a 20 ga. It kicks Less than a 410 on
average. Felt recoil is less..and it packs a **** load more shot.

Na, I cut my teeth on a .410. The kids in town got a BB gun. Dad got me a
.410. Most fun gun I ever had. Wish I still owned it. Taught me to shoot
quickly before the bird is out of range.

To the OP, couldn't you modify the stock you got? Saw stock to shortest
length you want. Make lengths to bolt back on. Kinda like leafs in a table.

You might want to qualify that, Karl, by mentioning that he should
make sure that sawing off the stock won't put the gun into the
too-short league where they'd have the BATFE down their throats.

Do they look at the overall length of the gun, or just the barrel length.

--
Tim Wescott
Control systems and communications consulting
http://www.wescottdesign.com

Need to learn how to apply control theory in your embedded system?
"Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems" by Tim Wescott
Elsevier/Newnes, http://www.wescottdesign.com/actfes/actfes.html

On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 02:28:20 -0700, Gunner wrote:

On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 21:10:05 -0700, "Carl McIver"
wrote:

I just bought a Mossberg HS410 for my family (my youngest kid is 12, so
I wanted a smaller gun) and was looking for a folding stock that is
adjustable in length. There's a few for Mossberg bigger gages, but I
haven't been able to find one for this one. Is anyone aware of one that I
haven't found, or one that can be made to fit? There's a good bit of
difference in the sizes of the folks in my family, from 5'3" to 6'1", so a
comfortable stock will help a lot at the range.


Carl..you should have bought a 20 ga. It kicks Less than a 410 on
average. Felt recoil is less..and it packs a **** load more shot.

Gunner

OK. The only guns that I've shot are ones that I made, and they involved
"gun powder" that I made from match heads -- so I'm no expert.

If a 20 gauge has less recoil and more shot than a 410, doesn't that mean
that the muzzle velocity, and hence range, is much lower? My brain is
coming up with some lame physicists humor here where you pull the trigger
and lead slowly barfs out of the muzzle over 10 seconds or so...

--
Tim Wescott
Control systems and communications consulting
http://www.wescottdesign.com

Need to learn how to apply control theory in your embedded system?
"Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems" by Tim Wescott
Elsevier/Newnes, http://www.wescottdesign.com/actfes/actfes.html

In article , Tim Wescott wrote:

If a 20 gauge has less recoil and more shot than a 410, doesn't that mean
that the muzzle velocity, and hence range, is much lower? My brain is
coming up with some lame physicists humor here where you pull the trigger
and lead slowly barfs out of the muzzle over 10 seconds or so...

Felt recoil depends not only on the powder charge and projectile mass, but
also on the mass of the weapon itself: all other things being equal, the
heavier the weapon, the lighter the recoil. Most .410s are pretty lightweight
guns.

Felt recoil is also a very subjective thing.


--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

"Tim Wescott" wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 06:11:19 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote:

On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 05:23:15 -0500, with neither quill nor qualm,
"Karl Townsend" quickly quoth:


Carl..you should have bought a 20 ga. It kicks Less than a 410 on
average. Felt recoil is less..and it packs a **** load more shot.

Na, I cut my teeth on a .410. The kids in town got a BB gun. Dad got me a
.410. Most fun gun I ever had. Wish I still owned it. Taught me to shoot
quickly before the bird is out of range.

To the OP, couldn't you modify the stock you got? Saw stock to shortest
length you want. Make lengths to bolt back on. Kinda like leafs in a
table.

You might want to qualify that, Karl, by mentioning that he should
make sure that sawing off the stock won't put the gun into the
too-short league where they'd have the BATFE down their throats.

Do they look at the overall length of the gun, or just the barrel length.

18" barrel length, 26" overall, unless the thing never had a buttstock, in
which case it's a smooth-bore pistol. Other stuff for muzzleloaders, and
other stuff by state laws.

--
Ed Huntress

Felt recoil is also a very subjective thing.

if you're a ten year kid that just got his first duck, quail, pheasant you
wouldn't have felt the kick even it it was an elephant gun.

Karl

In article s.com, "Karl Townsend" wrote:
Felt recoil is also a very subjective thing.

if you're a ten year kid that just got his first duck, quail, pheasant you
wouldn't have felt the kick even it it was an elephant gun.

Bingo!

I hunt deer and rabbit with a 12-ga that kicks pretty damn hard on a firing
range. Oddly enough, it doesn't seem to kick at all in the field.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

"Carl McIver" wrote in message
...
I just bought a Mossberg HS410 for my family (my youngest kid is 12, so
I wanted a smaller gun) and was looking for a folding stock that is
adjustable in length. There's a few for Mossberg bigger gages, but I
haven't been able to find one for this one. Is anyone aware of one that I
haven't found, or one that can be made to fit? There's a good bit of
difference in the sizes of the folks in my family, from 5'3" to 6'1", so a
comfortable stock will help a lot at the range.

Take it to a gunsmith, and they will show you how to measure the boy. This
will be helpful because he will soon need a longer stock as he grows, and
you can buy butt pads and slip over recoil pads that will build up what you
will be cutting off now. Replacing the whole stock would not be advisable
because he is going to grow each year. He's not going to be shooting enough
that it has to be exact, so close enough is okay. When he is old enough and
stops growing, it'll be way past time to buy another gun. This one will
look funny with all the extensions and butt pads on it.

Measuring stock length is something a gunsmith can do, as well as cutting
down a stock. Trouble is, the gun is usually set up for only one person,
and for another to fit it is just a lucky occurrence. One size does not fit
all, but close enough is close enough. Lots of guns are sold with standard
length stocks, but if a guy shoots a lot, they will soon have it custom cut.
If you don't shoot a lot, it's hard to notice the difference or even know
that stocks are custom cut for each person. And, if you don't want to go
through all the rigamarole, just keep the stock stock and each person will
have to adjust personally on how to shoot it and hit their target.

Adjustable folding stocks are mostly available on law enforcement and
military models, and not a lot on hunting models.

"SteveB" wrote in message
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"Carl McIver" wrote in message
...
I just bought a Mossberg HS410 for my family (my youngest kid is 12,
so I wanted a smaller gun) and was looking for a folding stock that is
adjustable in length. There's a few for Mossberg bigger gages, but I
haven't been able to find one for this one. Is anyone aware of one that
I haven't found, or one that can be made to fit? There's a good bit of
difference in the sizes of the folks in my family, from 5'3" to 6'1", so
a comfortable stock will help a lot at the range.

Take it to a gunsmith, and they will show you how to measure the boy.
This will be helpful because he will soon need a longer stock as he grows,
and you can buy butt pads and slip over recoil pads that will build up
what you will be cutting off now. Replacing the whole stock would not be
advisable because he is going to grow each year. He's not going to be
shooting enough that it has to be exact, so close enough is okay. When he
is old enough and stops growing, it'll be way past time to buy another
gun. This one will look funny with all the extensions and butt pads on
it.

Measuring stock length is something a gunsmith can do, as well as cutting
down a stock. Trouble is, the gun is usually set up for only one person,
and for another to fit it is just a lucky occurrence. One size does not
fit all, but close enough is close enough. Lots of guns are sold with
standard length stocks, but if a guy shoots a lot, they will soon have it
custom cut. If you don't shoot a lot, it's hard to notice the difference
or even know that stocks are custom cut for each person. And, if you
don't want to go through all the rigamarole, just keep the stock stock and
each person will have to adjust personally on how to shoot it and hit
their target.

Adjustable folding stocks are mostly available on law enforcement and
military models, and not a lot on hunting models.

My two elementary school daughters are about an inch shorter than my
wife at the current point (who's 5'4") and my two sons are gaining on me
fast (I'm 6'1") so the adjustable stock is something to make it easier for
all of us at the range. Mossberg has some tactical shotguns with the
adjustable stock already, but the gun shop I bought the .410 from was going
to have to do some research to find out if they can get one for it. I don't
want the stock length to be an issue for any of us, and by being able to set
it to the user's preference, we all win. This has to be a one size fits all
arrangement, and when fit is hitting the shan, the last thing they need to
think about is stock length, which is one reason I've considered a basic
pistol grip rear, but I haven't fully decided on that one yet.
Choice of bore is a highly personal decision, and there's lots of
opinion on both sides of the fence, so that issue will never be settled. I
was originally going to get a 12 ga, but I don't want to make the girls
afraid of the recoil or the report when they pull the trigger, so it's a
concession on my part. When I was growing up, I got a Savage .410 for my
11th birthday, and my friend down the road used to go wasting our daddys'
ammo with it on summer afternoons. He was a skinny little guy, and had a 12
ga, so after he had a chance to play with my "toy" we usually carried each
other's gun, as the 12 ga did a number on him after awhile. The .410 my
father had (very long barrel) had accuracy that larger bores couldn't keep
up with, so I grew up with a lot of respect for that choice. There's a lot
more to that, obviously, but I don't get to hunt, and this is strictly for
home defense.

On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 12:12:46 -0500, Tim Wescott
wrote:

On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 06:11:19 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote:

On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 05:23:15 -0500, with neither quill nor qualm,
"Karl Townsend" quickly quoth:


Carl..you should have bought a 20 ga. It kicks Less than a 410 on
average. Felt recoil is less..and it packs a **** load more shot.

Na, I cut my teeth on a .410. The kids in town got a BB gun. Dad got me a
.410. Most fun gun I ever had. Wish I still owned it. Taught me to shoot
quickly before the bird is out of range.

To the OP, couldn't you modify the stock you got? Saw stock to shortest
length you want. Make lengths to bolt back on. Kinda like leafs in a table.

You might want to qualify that, Karl, by mentioning that he should
make sure that sawing off the stock won't put the gun into the
too-short league where they'd have the BATFE down their throats.

Do they look at the overall length of the gun, or just the barrel length.


26" overall, and 18" from the muzzle to the bolt face with the action
closed.

Rifles are 16" to the bolt face

Gunner, who always leaves .250 long

On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 17:17:52 -0700, "SteveB"
wrote:

Take it to a gunsmith, and they will show you how to measure the boy.

The average rule of thumb, for the average shooter, is to place the
butt stock in the crook of your elbow and measure to the middle joint
of the trigger finger.

This is a rough but generally accurate measurement of "length of pull"

This
will be helpful because he will soon need a longer stock as he grows, and
you can buy butt pads and slip over recoil pads that will build up what you
will be cutting off now. Replacing the whole stock would not be advisable
because he is going to grow each year. He's not going to be shooting enough
that it has to be exact, so close enough is okay. When he is old enough and
stops growing, it'll be way past time to buy another gun. This one will
look funny with all the extensions and butt pads on it.

Good stuff.

This btw..is the reason you NEVER buy a synthetic stocked arm for a
youth. Only wood ones.

Gunner

On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 20:16:33 -0700, "Carl McIver"
wrote:

This has to be a one size fits all
arrangement, and when fit is hitting the shan, the last thing they need to
think about is stock length, which is one reason I've considered a basic
pistol grip rear, but I haven't fully decided on that one yet.


Buy a second shotgun and cut it down for the wimmin folks.

You only put one life preserver in a boat?

Take my advise..DONT go for the pistol grip.

It was invented for up close and personal..and the gulible who watch
too many Hollywierd movies.

Gunner

On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 20:16:33 -0700, "Carl McIver"
wrote:

Choice of bore is a highly personal decision, and there's lots of
opinion on both sides of the fence, so that issue will never be settled. I
was originally going to get a 12 ga, but I don't want to make the girls
afraid of the recoil or the report when they pull the trigger, so it's a
concession on my part.


Did you even consider a 20 ga?

You should do so.

Gunner

On Sep 10, 10:10 pm, "Carl McIver" wrote:
I just bought a Mossberg HS410 for my family (my youngest kid is 12, so
I wanted a smaller gun) and was looking for a folding stock that is
adjustable in length. There's a few for Mossberg bigger gages, but I
haven't been able to find one for this one. Is anyone aware of one that I
haven't found, or one that can be made to fit? There's a good bit of
difference in the sizes of the folks in my family, from 5'3" to 6'1", so a
comfortable stock will help a lot at the range.

There's a bunch of adapters out there for telescoping M4 carbine butt
stocks to adapt them to a number of different long guns, have even
seen them for 10/22s. This is an ideal solution for this sort of
thing, they've got 6 positions. Might not be an adapter or stock set
for your particular gun, but this IS a metalworking group, after all.
Might be you can make something that would be saleable. Downside is
that you'll have about as much in the buttstock as the whole gun is
worth. Look up "tactical", "shotgun" and "buttstock" on google,
you'll probably get some ideas.

The other thing to watch out for is some states have laws against
"evil" features like folding stocks. Don't know if the M4 stock would
qualify, but you don't want some Barney Fife trying to find out,
either.

Mossberg has youth stocks available for some models, you can contact
them directly to see if they have one for your gun.

Stan