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Lately I have been having ALOT of problems accessing Ebay pages while
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"Too_Many_Tools" wrote:
Lately I have been having ALOT of problems accessing Ebay pages while on dialup. They put so much script junk on their webpages they take awhile to load even on broadband; I'd shudder to think what they would be like on dialup. Jon |
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It is indeed very bad. My Linux laptop can connect to the internet
using cell phone as a modem, but using ebay with it is painfully slow due to extreme bandwidth requirements, especially if I am in a moving train. I am sure that bandwidth use could be reduced by 80% with 5% reduction in functionality. I do use my own eBay starting page http://ef.algebra.com/ for fast access (loads in a fraction of a second and has all searches on one page). i |
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On Aug 26, 5:51 pm, Ignoramus19259 ignoramus19...@NOSPAM.
19259.invalid wrote: It is indeed very bad. My Linux laptop can connect to the internet using cell phone as a modem, but using ebay with it is painfully slow due to extreme bandwidth requirements, especially if I am in a moving train. I am sure that bandwidth use could be reduced by 80% with 5% reduction in functionality. I do use my own eBay starting pagehttp://ef.algebra.com/for fast access (loads in a fraction of a second and has all searches on one page). i Thanks for responding guys...it is appreciated. Ig..WHY do they so much stuff on their pages? Over the last few days I have been doing some serious web surfing and Ebay is by far the worst offender. In my case, I am not spending as much money on Ebay as I would if I could browse faster. TMT |
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On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 17:08:20 -0700, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
On Aug 26, 5:51 pm, Ignoramus19259 ignoramus19...@NOSPAM. 19259.invalid wrote: It is indeed very bad. My Linux laptop can connect to the internet using cell phone as a modem, but using ebay with it is painfully slow due to extreme bandwidth requirements, especially if I am in a moving train. I am sure that bandwidth use could be reduced by 80% with 5% reduction in functionality. I do use my own eBay starting pagehttp://ef.algebra.com/for fast access (loads in a fraction of a second and has all searches on one page). i Thanks for responding guys...it is appreciated. Ig..WHY do they so much stuff on their pages? Over the last few days I have been doing some serious web surfing and Ebay is by far the worst offender. I think that it is ijnstututional imperative, where little departments' pet projects make sense to those departments, but in aggregate the results violate common sense. In my case, I am not spending as much money on Ebay as I would if I could browse faster. I am. i |
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Too_Many_Tools wrote: In my case, I am not spending as much money on Ebay as I would if I could browse faster. Same here; often it takes 5 min or more to load a page on my slow dialup times many pages to actually buy something. ebay is my choice of last resort Free men own guns - www(dot)geocities(dot)com/CapitolHill/5357/ |
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what's dialup? Is that like when you call up Ebay to place a bid over the
phone? "Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message ups.com... Lately I have been having ALOT of problems accessing Ebay pages while on dialup. Anyone else? TMT |
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wrote: what's dialup? Is that like when you call up Ebay to place a bid over the phone? Where I live dialup is the only way to connect to the internet except satellite (which I'll probably do soon). 24k is the best I get over the phone line, no DSL possible. Free men own guns - www(dot)geocities(dot)com/CapitolHill/5357/ |
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On Aug 28, 6:56 am, nick hull wrote:
In article , "Tony" wrote: what's dialup? Is that like when you call up Ebay to place a bid over the phone? Where I live dialup is the only way to connect to the internet except satellite (which I'll probably do soon). 24k is the best I get over the phone line, no DSL possible. Free men own guns - www(dot)geocities(dot)com/CapitolHill/5357/ Same here...and it will not be getting any better. While Ebay is the worst offender, many web sites insist on using bandwidth wasting garbage on their websites. Since there is a bandwidth limit on dialup and cell phones connected to the Web, I really don't understand why they do it...it just limits their potential customer base. Also with Ebay, customers who are located remotely represent their best potential customers. Much of the extra bandwidth is taken up by ads....and I suspect that companies are taking advantage of the ad income as an easy way to generate profits versus sales to their customers. I expect to see a backlash in the future when the bandwidth to cells run out...the iPhone market is already seeing that. TMT |
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On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 06:56:21 -0500, with neither quill nor qualm, nick
hull quickly quoth: In article , "Tony" wrote: what's dialup? Is that like when you call up Ebay to place a bid over the phone? Where I live dialup is the only way to connect to the internet except satellite (which I'll probably do soon). 24k is the best I get over the phone line, no DSL possible. I'm now on DSL and it's the best I've seen yet. A few tips on satellite: FTP is slower than dialup due to the horrid latencies of sat comm. Upload is at 56k. Download of large files is rapid, very nice. Snow takes out the dish. Heavy rain takes out the dish. Sunspots take out the dish. It's better than dialup, but not by too awfully much. Latencies ruin video downloads quite often so it's best to download vs. watching vid on satellite. Go cable if you can do so now, DSL when they finally offer it. The jump from dialup to sat is much like the jump from sat to DSL. The differences are humongmous. -- According to our strength of character and our clarity of vision, we will endure, we will succeed, we will have contributed something to make life where we were and as we lived it better, brighter, and more beautiful. -- Frank Lloyd Wright |
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On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 06:31:32 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote: Go cable if you can do so now, DSL when they finally offer it. The jump from dialup to sat is much like the jump from sat to DSL. The differences are humongmous. so are the prices. My town will never have DSL. They however have RoadRunner cable and just getting on the net via them, will cost at least $59 a month. Ill stick with dialup thankyouveddyveddymuch gunner |
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On Aug 26, 10:51 pm, Ignoramus19259 ignoramus19...@NOSPAM.
19259.invalid wrote: It is indeed very bad. My Linux laptop can connect to the internet using cell phone as a modem, but using ebay with it is painfully slow due to extreme bandwidth requirements, especially if I am in a moving train. I am sure that bandwidth use could be reduced by 80% with 5% reduction in functionality. More likely a 50% increase in functionality. -- FF |
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Tony wrote:
what's dialup? Is that like when you call up Ebay to place a bid over the phone? "Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message ups.com... Lately I have been having ALOT of problems accessing Ebay pages while on dialup. Anyone else? TMT Setup your browser to not allow images, then right click and view when you want to see one. Try running two different browsers if this is too clunky, IE set for images and firefox for not or the reverse |
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On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 09:56:10 -0700, with neither quill nor qualm,
Gunner quickly quoth: On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 06:31:32 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote: Go cable if you can do so now, DSL when they finally offer it. The jump from dialup to sat is much like the jump from sat to DSL. The differences are humongmous. so are the prices. My town will never have DSL. They however have RoadRunner cable and just getting on the net via them, will cost at least $59 a month. My phone used to cost $35 and Starband was $50 (after a $10 discount for having DISH, too.) Now I have DSL and the phone is $72. I'm better off and paying $23/mo less now. Ill stick with dialup thankyouveddyveddymuch As you wish. But think how much damage you could do in a day with DSL. g -- According to our strength of character and our clarity of vision, we will endure, we will succeed, we will have contributed something to make life where we were and as we lived it better, brighter, and more beautiful. -- Frank Lloyd Wright |
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Too_Many_Tools wrote:
On Aug 26, 5:51 pm, Ignoramus19259 ignoramus19...@NOSPAM. 19259.invalid wrote: It is indeed very bad. My Linux laptop can connect to the internet using cell phone as a modem, but using ebay with it is painfully slow due to extreme bandwidth requirements, especially if I am in a moving train. I am sure that bandwidth use could be reduced by 80% with 5% reduction in functionality. I do use my own eBay starting pagehttp://ef.algebra.com/for fast access (loads in a fraction of a second and has all searches on one page). i Thanks for responding guys...it is appreciated. Ig..WHY do they so much stuff on their pages? Over the last few days I have been doing some serious web surfing and Ebay is by far the worst offender. In my case, I am not spending as much money on Ebay as I would if I could browse faster. TMT I've got a bunch of their stuff in my hosts file- ebayststic.com, that sort of bull, and I've always had pretty fast loading pages. Watch what loads and try putting some of the useless sounding stuff in hosts, see if it helps. John |
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In article ,
Larry Jaques wrote: Where I live dialup is the only way to connect to the internet except satellite (which I'll probably do soon). 24k is the best I get over the phone line, no DSL possible. I'm now on DSL and it's the best I've seen yet. A few tips on satellite: FTP is slower than dialup due to the horrid latencies of sat comm. Upload is at 56k. Download of large files is rapid, very nice. Snow takes out the dish. Heavy rain takes out the dish. Sunspots take out the dish. It's better than dialup, but not by too awfully much. Latencies ruin video downloads quite often so it's best to download vs. watching vid on satellite. Go cable if you can do so now, DSL when they finally offer it. The jump from dialup to sat is much like the jump from sat to DSL. The differences are humongmous. Cable is more impossible than DSL in my location, it will NEVER come here Free men own guns - www(dot)geocities(dot)com/CapitolHill/5357/ |
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On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 06:46:58 -0500, with neither quill nor qualm, nick
hull quickly quoth: In article , Larry Jaques wrote: Where I live dialup is the only way to connect to the internet except satellite (which I'll probably do soon). 24k is the best I get over the phone line, no DSL possible. I'm now on DSL and it's the best I've seen yet. A few tips on satellite: FTP is slower than dialup due to the horrid latencies of sat comm. Upload is at 56k. Download of large files is rapid, very nice. Snow takes out the dish. Heavy rain takes out the dish. Sunspots take out the dish. It's better than dialup, but not by too awfully much. Latencies ruin video downloads quite often so it's best to download vs. watching vid on satellite. Go cable if you can do so now, DSL when they finally offer it. The jump from dialup to sat is much like the jump from sat to DSL. The differences are humongmous. Cable is more impossible than DSL in my location, it will NEVER come here Then satellite is your best option, but there are horror stories with all of them. http://www.google.com/search?q=satellite+internet shows one for $30/mo. Not bad. -- According to our strength of character and our clarity of vision, we will endure, we will succeed, we will have contributed something to make life where we were and as we lived it better, brighter, and more beautiful. -- Frank Lloyd Wright |
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On Aug 26, 1:19 pm, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
Lately I have been having ALOT of problems accessing Ebay pages while on dialup. Anyone else? TMT My problems with Ebay continue...sometimes it works and most of the time it does not. Lots of "Cannot find server or DNS Error" responses. Meanwhile almost all other sites work but load slowly as one would expect on dialup. Pinging indicates that the path to Ebay is working properly. I do note that the Earthlink mail servers seem to be down. TMT |
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On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:05:06 -0700, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
On Aug 26, 1:19 pm, Too_Many_Tools wrote: Lately I have been having ALOT of problems accessing Ebay pages while on dialup. Anyone else? TMT My problems with Ebay continue...sometimes it works and most of the time it does not. Lots of "Cannot find server or DNS Error" responses. Sounds like a problem with your DNS settings. Check your "Network properties" and make sure that you are using correct DNS server IPs. i |
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Larry Jaques wrote: Cable is more impossible than DSL in my location, it will NEVER come here Then satellite is your best option, but there are horror stories with all of them. http://www.google.com/search?q=satellite+internet shows one for $30/mo. Not bad. The $30/mo seems to be for cable, WildBlue at $50/mo is the cheapest I could find for true satellite Free men own guns - www(dot)geocities(dot)com/CapitolHill/5357/ |
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On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:51:28 -0500, with neither quill nor qualm, nick
hull quickly quoth: In article , Larry Jaques wrote: Cable is more impossible than DSL in my location, it will NEVER come here Then satellite is your best option, but there are horror stories with all of them. http://www.google.com/search?q=satellite+internet shows one for $30/mo. Not bad. The $30/mo seems to be for cable, WildBlue at $50/mo is the cheapest I could find for true satellite http://www.skycasters.com/?source=satelliteinternet 1-way, but that takes out half the latencies. I'd have preferred it over Starband's 2-way, especially at half the price. -- According to our strength of character and our clarity of vision, we will endure, we will succeed, we will have contributed something to make life where we were and as we lived it better, brighter, and more beautiful. -- Frank Lloyd Wright |
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On Aug 29, 2:34 pm, Ignoramus31174 ignoramus31...@NOSPAM.
31174.invalid wrote: On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:05:06 -0700, Too_Many_Tools wrote: On Aug 26, 1:19 pm, Too_Many_Tools wrote: Lately I have been having ALOT of problems accessing Ebay pages while on dialup. Anyone else? TMT My problems with Ebay continue...sometimes it works and most of the time it does not. Lots of "Cannot find server or DNS Error" responses. Sounds like a problem with your DNS settings. Check your "Network properties" and make sure that you are using correct DNS server IPs. i Thanks for the suggestion...the DNS is auto. I have been using this computer and its settings for years without problems. And everything but Ebay works....except for the on again off again problem with the Earthlink mail server....while other mail servers work on the same connection.. TMT TMT |
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According to JohnM :
Too_Many_Tools wrote: [ ... ] Over the last few days I have been doing some serious web surfing and Ebay is by far the worst offender. In my case, I am not spending as much money on Ebay as I would if I could browse faster. [ ... ] I've got a bunch of their stuff in my hosts file- ebayststic.com, that sort of bull, and I've always had pretty fast loading pages. Watch what loads and try putting some of the useless sounding stuff in hosts, see if it helps. If it does, be warned that it could suddenly *stop* working whenever eBay moves their functions to new machines. When they make such a change, the DNS is alerted, and names such as ebaystatic.com are routed to a different machine with a different IP address, after which they retire the old one. But your machine will keep trying to reach the old IP address after such a change, until you kill off the hosts entry and note what IP address turns out to correspond to the new machine with the old name. It is better to keep your hosts file clean of external systems (though it can be used to kill off a lot of spam sources and such. I tend to do that in the routing tables, instead of in the local hosts file. Enjoy, DoN. -- Email: | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564 (too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero --- |
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Larry Jaques wrote: On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:51:28 -0500, with neither quill nor qualm, nick hull quickly quoth: In article , Larry Jaques wrote: Cable is more impossible than DSL in my location, it will NEVER come here Then satellite is your best option, but there are horror stories with all of them. http://www.google.com/search?q=satellite+internet shows one for $30/mo. Not bad. The $30/mo seems to be for cable, WildBlue at $50/mo is the cheapest I could find for true satellite http://www.skycasters.com/?source=satelliteinternet 1-way, but that takes out half the latencies. I'd have preferred it over Starband's 2-way, especially at half the price. I don't understand, they seem to be $150/mo and up Free men own guns - www(dot)geocities(dot)com/CapitolHill/5357/ |
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On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:56:40 -0500, with neither quill nor qualm, nick
hull quickly quoth: In article , Larry Jaques wrote: On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:51:28 -0500, with neither quill nor qualm, nick hull quickly quoth: In article , Larry Jaques wrote: Cable is more impossible than DSL in my location, it will NEVER come here Then satellite is your best option, but there are horror stories with all of them. http://www.google.com/search?q=satellite+internet shows one for $30/mo. Not bad. The $30/mo seems to be for cable, WildBlue at $50/mo is the cheapest I could find for true satellite http://www.skycasters.com/?source=satelliteinternet 1-way, but that takes out half the latencies. I'd have preferred it over Starband's 2-way, especially at half the price. I don't understand, they seem to be $150/mo and up I don't, either. The day before yesterday, Skycasters had an ad in Google Adwords for a $29.95/mo sat connection. It's not listed on their site or Google now. Go figure! Maybe their HOA banned it. ------------------------------------------ Do the voices in my head bother you? ------------------------------------------ |
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DoN. Nichols wrote:
According to JohnM : Too_Many_Tools wrote: [ ... ] Over the last few days I have been doing some serious web surfing and Ebay is by far the worst offender. In my case, I am not spending as much money on Ebay as I would if I could browse faster. [ ... ] I've got a bunch of their stuff in my hosts file- ebayststic.com, that sort of bull, and I've always had pretty fast loading pages. Watch what loads and try putting some of the useless sounding stuff in hosts, see if it helps. If it does, be warned that it could suddenly *stop* working whenever eBay moves their functions to new machines. When they make such a change, the DNS is alerted, and names such as ebaystatic.com are routed to a different machine with a different IP address, after which they retire the old one. But your machine will keep trying to reach the old IP address after such a change, until you kill off the hosts entry and note what IP address turns out to correspond to the new machine with the old name. It is better to keep your hosts file clean of external systems (though it can be used to kill off a lot of spam sources and such. I tend to do that in the routing tables, instead of in the local hosts file. Enjoy, DoN. Late response on my part.. I don't know anything about routing tables, I'm a very basic level geek, but everything in my hosts file is routed to localhost. I've got a program that fills the graphics that the browser (Mozilla) needs with tiny little dots so that the page doesn't sit and wait 'till it times out, works well for me. I seldom see an ad or flashing banner, if I see one I check it out and add it to the hosts file, takes about 30 seconds if I can find the shortcut to the file amongst all the stuff on my desktop screen. I've read that some WinXP machines have trouble with large hosts files (in excess of 1Mb), which mine is, but I've noticed no problems so far. First used the hosts file for directing stuff to localhost with Win98, then 98SE, no problems with either of those running big host files either. My Linux OS also doesn't seem to mind it a bit, just about the first thing I did with that machine. If anyone's interested, the ebay servers I've got directed to localhost are ebaystatic.com, pics.ebaystatic.com, include.ebaystatic.com. Pages load a lot faster and everything works.` Thanks for the suggestion, I looked up routing tables, need some time to absorb more though. John |
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According to JohnM :
[ ... ] It is better to keep your hosts file clean of external systems (though it can be used to kill off a lot of spam sources and such. I tend to do that in the routing tables, instead of in the local hosts file. [ ... ] Late response on my part.. I don't know anything about routing tables, I'm a very basic level geek, but everything in my hosts file is routed to localhost. I've got a program that fills the graphics that the browser (Mozilla) needs with tiny little dots so that the page doesn't sit and wait 'till it times out, works well for me. I seldom see an ad or flashing banner, if I see one I check it out and add it to the hosts file, takes about 30 seconds if I can find the shortcut to the file amongst all the stuff on my desktop screen. O.K. I've read that some WinXP machines have trouble with large hosts files (in excess of 1Mb), which mine is, but I've noticed no problems so far. First used the hosts file for directing stuff to localhost with Win98, then 98SE, no problems with either of those running big host files either. My Linux OS also doesn't seem to mind it a bit, just about the first thing I did with that machine. If anyone's interested, the ebay servers I've got directed to localhost are ebaystatic.com, pics.ebaystatic.com, include.ebaystatic.com. Pages load a lot faster and everything works.` O.K. I'm sure that ebay would be displeased that you don't want to "benefit" from all their hard work. :-) Thanks for the suggestion, I looked up routing tables, need some time to absorb more though. One nice thing about routing tables is that it is easy to add an entire block of IPs with a single command line. As an example (on a unix system) the command line: ================================================== ==================== route add -net 59.0.0.0 -netmask 255.224.0.0 127.0.0.1 ================================================== ==================== routes all IPs from 59.0.0.0 through 59.31.255.255 (all in Korea, FWIW) to the localhost address (127.0.0.1). As a result, you can block a lot more junk with fewer lines. To be honest, I don't know *how* to do it on a Windows system, and I suspect that it varies with which version of Windows you happen to be running. Microsoft likes to re-invent all standards that they see, so don't bet on it being easy. :-) Enjoy, DoN. -- Email: | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564 (too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero --- |
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