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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/mai...cispeed116.xml .... And levitation is a piece of cake. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/08/06/nlevitate106.xml |
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"Gunner" wrote in message ... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/mai...cispeed116.xml Well, doggone. I've always wanted to be able to get to work before I get out of bed, and now there's hope. And levitation is a piece of cake. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/08/06/nlevitate106.xml There goes the fork-lift business. -- Ed Huntress |
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Ed Huntress wrote:
"Gunner" wrote in message ... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/mai...cispeed116.xml Well, doggone. I've always wanted to be able to get to work before I get out of bed, and now there's hope. And levitation is a piece of cake. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/08/06/nlevitate106.xml There goes the fork-lift business. -- Ed Huntress For what it's worth, here is his presentation... http://online.kitp.ucsb.edu/online/qo02/nimtz/ |
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Ed Huntress wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message ... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/mai...cispeed116.xml Well, doggone. I've always wanted to be able to get to work before I get out of bed, and now there's hope. And levitation is a piece of cake. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/08/06/nlevitate106.xml There goes the fork-lift business. -- Ed Huntress For what it's worth, here is his presentation... http://online.kitp.ucsb.edu/online/qo02/nimtz/ Please excuse replying to my own post, but... 8 c ???? But, sadly for Ed: 5 Superluminal velocities shorten the time span between cause and effect. however tehy cannot be exchanged. NO TIME MACHINE. But I suspect you may have to change brake pads fairly often? |
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"cavelamb himself" wrote in message ... Ed Huntress wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message ... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/mai...cispeed116.xml Well, doggone. I've always wanted to be able to get to work before I get out of bed, and now there's hope. And levitation is a piece of cake. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/08/06/nlevitate106.xml There goes the fork-lift business. -- Ed Huntress For what it's worth, here is his presentation... http://online.kitp.ucsb.edu/online/qo02/nimtz/ .....I'm going to have to take their word for it. -- Ed Huntress |
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"cavelamb himself" wrote in message ... cavelamb himself wrote: Ed Huntress wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message ... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/mai...cispeed116.xml Well, doggone. I've always wanted to be able to get to work before I get out of bed, and now there's hope. And levitation is a piece of cake. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/08/06/nlevitate106.xml There goes the fork-lift business. -- Ed Huntress For what it's worth, here is his presentation... http://online.kitp.ucsb.edu/online/qo02/nimtz/ Please excuse replying to my own post, but... 8 c ???? But, sadly for Ed: 5 Superluminal velocities shorten the time span between cause and effect. however tehy cannot be exchanged. NO TIME MACHINE. But I suspect you may have to change brake pads fairly often? Disk brakes? We don' use no steenking disk brakes. Dog clutches on all four wheels. They're hell on tires but they take away some variables. -- Ed Huntress |
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On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:53:14 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message .. . http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/mai...cispeed116.xml Well, doggone. I've always wanted to be able to get to work before I get out of bed, and now there's hope. And levitation is a piece of cake. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/08/06/nlevitate106.xml There goes the fork-lift business. Nope. While you may levitate the load...the inertia is still there. All it means is that forklift mechanics will have to have an EE or better. |
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Ed Huntress wrote:
"cavelamb himself" wrote in message ... cavelamb himself wrote: Ed Huntress wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message m... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/mai...cispeed116.xml Well, doggone. I've always wanted to be able to get to work before I get out of bed, and now there's hope. And levitation is a piece of cake. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/08/06/nlevitate106.xml There goes the fork-lift business. -- Ed Huntress For what it's worth, here is his presentation... http://online.kitp.ucsb.edu/online/qo02/nimtz/ Please excuse replying to my own post, but... 8 c ???? But, sadly for Ed: 5 Superluminal velocities shorten the time span between cause and effect. however tehy cannot be exchanged. NO TIME MACHINE. But I suspect you may have to change brake pads fairly often? Disk brakes? We don' use no steenking disk brakes. Dog clutches on all four wheels. They're hell on tires but they take away some variables. -- Ed Huntress I tried reading thru some of the pesentations. Now I have a headache and I think I'll go lie down for a while... |
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On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:15:49 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
wrote: "cavelamb himself" wrote in message ... cavelamb himself wrote: Ed Huntress wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message ... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/mai...cispeed116.xml Well, doggone. I've always wanted to be able to get to work before I get out of bed, and now there's hope. And levitation is a piece of cake. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/08/06/nlevitate106.xml There goes the fork-lift business. -- Ed Huntress For what it's worth, here is his presentation... http://online.kitp.ucsb.edu/online/qo02/nimtz/ Please excuse replying to my own post, but... 8 c ???? But, sadly for Ed: 5 Superluminal velocities shorten the time span between cause and effect. however tehy cannot be exchanged. NO TIME MACHINE. But I suspect you may have to change brake pads fairly often? Disk brakes? We don' use no steenking disk brakes. Dog clutches on all four wheels. They're hell on tires but they take away some variables. Nah..regen braking. When tampering with the laws of physics...never use moving parts Gunner |
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"Gunner" wrote in message ... On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:15:49 -0400, "Ed Huntress" wrote: "cavelamb himself" wrote in message ... cavelamb himself wrote: Ed Huntress wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message ... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/mai...cispeed116.xml Well, doggone. I've always wanted to be able to get to work before I get out of bed, and now there's hope. And levitation is a piece of cake. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/08/06/nlevitate106.xml There goes the fork-lift business. -- Ed Huntress For what it's worth, here is his presentation... http://online.kitp.ucsb.edu/online/qo02/nimtz/ Please excuse replying to my own post, but... 8 c ???? But, sadly for Ed: 5 Superluminal velocities shorten the time span between cause and effect. however tehy cannot be exchanged. NO TIME MACHINE. But I suspect you may have to change brake pads fairly often? Disk brakes? We don' use no steenking disk brakes. Dog clutches on all four wheels. They're hell on tires but they take away some variables. Nah..regen braking. When tampering with the laws of physics...never use moving parts Hey, when the shot pin goes in those clutches, NOTHING moves. No pad wear, either. -- Ed Huntress |
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"Gunner" wrote in message ... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/mai...cispeed116.xml ... And levitation is a piece of cake. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/08/06/nlevitate106.xml I want my flying car that I was promised in the '60s! |
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"cavelamb himself" wrote in message ... Ed Huntress wrote: "cavelamb himself" wrote in message ... cavelamb himself wrote: Ed Huntress wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message om... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/mai...cispeed116.xml Well, doggone. I've always wanted to be able to get to work before I get out of bed, and now there's hope. And levitation is a piece of cake. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/08/06/nlevitate106.xml There goes the fork-lift business. -- Ed Huntress For what it's worth, here is his presentation... http://online.kitp.ucsb.edu/online/qo02/nimtz/ Please excuse replying to my own post, but... 8 c ???? But, sadly for Ed: 5 Superluminal velocities shorten the time span between cause and effect. however tehy cannot be exchanged. NO TIME MACHINE. But I suspect you may have to change brake pads fairly often? Disk brakes? We don' use no steenking disk brakes. Dog clutches on all four wheels. They're hell on tires but they take away some variables. -- Ed Huntress I tried reading thru some of the pesentations. Now I have a headache and I think I'll go lie down for a while... You can get up yesterday! |
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On Aug 17, 11:40 am, Gunner wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/mai...2007/08/16/sci... ... And levitation is a piece of cake.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/08/06/nlevi... Maybe we can get Algore to fix it? John Martin |
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There goes the fork-lift business. But then I can bring really big stuff home on my 5x8' 2000# load trailer. There is an upside to this. Wes |
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On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 09:27:01 -0700, Gunner
wrote: On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:53:14 -0400, "Ed Huntress" wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message . .. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/mai...cispeed116.xml Well, doggone. I've always wanted to be able to get to work before I get out of bed, and now there's hope. And levitation is a piece of cake. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/08/06/nlevitate106.xml There goes the fork-lift business. Nope. While you may levitate the load...the inertia is still there. All it means is that forklift mechanics will have to have an EE or better. At last, employment for all the clever people that NASA trained as potential Shuttle crews before they ran short of Shuttles :-) Mark Rand RTFM |
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"Tom Gardner" wrote: I want my flying car that I was promised in the '60s! I want to know what happened to all that "Electricity too cheap to meter," heated roadways, etc, etc. that was supposed to come from nuclear power plants. The flying car would be nice too. Where are those things, eh? What happened to them? |
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On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 20:40:48 -0400, with neither quill nor qualm, John
Husvar quickly quoth: In article , "Tom Gardner" wrote: I want my flying car that I was promised in the '60s! I want to know what happened to all that "Electricity too cheap to meter," heated roadways, etc, etc. that was supposed to come from nuclear power plants. Can you say "totallyover****ingregulated"? I knew you could. Dunno 'bout the heated roadway thing, though. The flying car would be nice too. Indeed. Where are those things, eh? What happened to them? They're still being made. One-offs, but soon(?) commercially available. sigh http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_car -- Seen on a bumper sticker: ARM THE HOMELESS |
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On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 20:40:48 -0400, John Husvar wrote:
In article , "Tom Gardner" wrote: I want my flying car that I was promised in the '60s! I want to know what happened to all that "Electricity too cheap to meter," heated roadways, etc, etc. that was supposed to come from nuclear power plants. Unfortunately, the leftists who want us to not pollute with carbons, also want us to not build nuclear power plants which would allow us to stop giving money to people in countries which hate us. The flying car would be nice too. Where are those things, eh? What happened to them? Moller has a workable aircar but it's a bit spendy. |
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Moller has a workable aircar but it's a bit spendy. Purest, clearest, most expensive BS on the planet... It's kinda like a government project. It doesn't work - and you can't make it work. |
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On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 21:59:10 -0500, cavelamb himself wrote:
Dave Hinz wrote: Moller has a workable aircar but it's a bit spendy. Purest, clearest, most expensive BS on the planet... er, OK. Seen one fly, you can buy one. Seems to meet "workable but spendy" criteria to me. Not my dog, not my fight. You're picking a throwaway response to a throwaway comment and sorry, I'm not all that interested in playing. It's kinda like a government project. It doesn't work - and you can't make it work. Right, because all gummint projects are exactly the same is that it? |
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Dave Hinz wrote:
On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 21:59:10 -0500, cavelamb himself wrote: Dave Hinz wrote: Moller has a workable aircar but it's a bit spendy. Purest, clearest, most expensive BS on the planet... er, OK. Seen one fly, you can buy one. Seems to meet "workable but spendy" criteria to me. Not my dog, not my fight. You're picking a throwaway response to a throwaway comment and sorry, I'm not all that interested in playing. WHEN and WHERE did you see one fly? I'm kinda curious because in 40 years of development the thing has never been off the tether. You can invest a heap of money in the company - but you can not buy one. There are none to buy. No productions at all... I'll let it go, but you lost 10 credibility points on this one, Dave. And you only had 8... |
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On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 20:40:48 -0400, John Husvar
wrote: In article , "Tom Gardner" wrote: I want my flying car that I was promised in the '60s! I want to know what happened to all that "Electricity too cheap to meter," heated roadways, etc, etc. that was supposed to come from nuclear power plants. The flying car would be nice too. No! To be more precise, HELL NO! Not unless and until computers get good enough to do all the flying and there's no manual control override option, and that'll be 100 years down the road. I have to dodge ennough assholes in 2D space and coming from known angles at relatively reasonable velocities. I don't even want to THINK about the carnage in the skies if we let just anyone walk in and get a license for their Flying Car. Just think about it rationally - the same mix of old farts who think 35 is plenty fast enough on the freeway, or can't turn their heads so they just make lane changes blind. The rich who think their Rolls or Beemer or Benz is a permit to own the road. The Steve McQueen wannabees who think they're filming the Bullitt chase scene every day. The well connected who can drive however they want because they have their way to make all traffic tickets "disappear" at will. And the immortal teenagers whose brains routinely write checks their driving skills can't cash. If they get pilots licenses, I'm going to walk - it'll be safer. -- Bruce -- |
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Bruce L. Bergman wrote:
On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 20:40:48 -0400, John Husvar wrote: In article , "Tom Gardner" wrote: I want my flying car that I was promised in the '60s! I want to know what happened to all that "Electricity too cheap to meter," heated roadways, etc, etc. that was supposed to come from nuclear power plants. The flying car would be nice too. No! To be more precise, HELL NO! Not unless and until computers get good enough to do all the flying and there's no manual control override option, and that'll be 100 years down the road. I have to dodge ennough assholes in 2D space and coming from known angles at relatively reasonable velocities. I don't even want to THINK about the carnage in the skies if we let just anyone walk in and get a license for their Flying Car. Just think about it rationally - the same mix of old farts who think 35 is plenty fast enough on the freeway, or can't turn their heads so they just make lane changes blind. The rich who think their Rolls or Beemer or Benz is a permit to own the road. The Steve McQueen wannabees who think they're filming the Bullitt chase scene every day. The well connected who can drive however they want because they have their way to make all traffic tickets "disappear" at will. And the immortal teenagers whose brains routinely write checks their driving skills can't cash. If they get pilots licenses, I'm going to walk - it'll be safer. Even that won't save you: the junk will come crashing out of the sky on our heads! ("The sky is falling!") |
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Nimtz and Stahlhofen found that the reflected signal and its
quantum-tunneling doppelgänger arrived at their respective photodetectors at the same time. That led them to the conclusion that, in effect, the tunneling photons bridged the gap between the prisms instantly, violating the 186,000-mile-per-second speed limit laid out in the special theory of relativity. "This is the only violation that I know of," Nimtz is quoted as saying. The research hasn't appeared in a publication yet. In fact, the online version was just submitted for review a couple of weeks ago. But it's already drawn plenty of comments in the geek world, from A (for Ars Technica) to Z (for ZDNet). "Unfortunately, the claim is worse than weak; it is silly," Chris Lee writes on Ars Technica. Others are more cautious in their criticism, but the bottom line is that physics can play tricks when you use quantum phenomena to look for loopholes in relativity. Over the past several years, Nimtz has taken aim at this subject multiple times, and he hasn't convincingly hit the bull's-eye yet. A seemingly faster-than-light effect can arise from the way a signal is shifted as it travels through different media. The crest of a wave in one medium may become a valley in another medium, and the valley may become a crest. It may look as if that crest has zipped ahead faster than the speed of light - but in actuality, it's just the same old wave with its shape shifted. msnbc |
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Bruce L. Bergman wrote: Just think about it rationally - the same mix of old farts who think 35 is plenty fast enough on the freeway, or can't turn their heads so they just make lane changes blind. The rich who think their Rolls or Beemer or Benz is a permit to own the road. The Steve McQueen wannabees who think they're filming the Bullitt chase scene every day. The well connected who can drive however they want because they have their way to make all traffic tickets "disappear" at will. And the immortal teenagers whose brains routinely write checks their driving skills can't cash. If they get pilots licenses, I'm going to walk - it'll be safer. -- Bruce -- Well, get yer walkin' shoes on: Google Light Sport Pilot. Fly on yer Driver's License. |
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Larry Jaques wrote: On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 20:40:48 -0400, with neither quill nor qualm, John Husvar quickly quoth: In article , "Tom Gardner" wrote: I want my flying car that I was promised in the '60s! I want to know what happened to all that "Electricity too cheap to meter," heated roadways, etc, etc. that was supposed to come from nuclear power plants. Can you say "totallyover****ingregulated"? I knew you could. Verily and Amen, Brother. Dunno 'bout the heated roadway thing, though. That was to be one of the supposed benefits of having all that cheap electricity. This was back in the Dark Ages. i.e 1950s. The flying car would be nice too. Indeed. Except I do tend to agree with Bruce. There are too many people who shouldn't be driving, let alone flying. Where are those things, eh? What happened to them? They're still being made. One-offs, but soon(?) commercially available. sigh http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_car Oh, God, not a Studebaker engine! (Fondly (?) remembering my first owned car. -- Seen on a bumper sticker: ARM THE HOMELESS |
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On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 08:39:35 -0400, with neither quill nor qualm, John
Husvar quickly quoth: In article , Larry Jaques wrote: On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 20:40:48 -0400, with neither quill nor qualm, John Husvar quickly quoth: In article , "Tom Gardner" wrote: I want my flying car that I was promised in the '60s! I want to know what happened to all that "Electricity too cheap to meter," heated roadways, etc, etc. that was supposed to come from nuclear power plants. Can you say "totallyover****ingregulated"? I knew you could. Verily and Amen, Brother. Dunno 'bout the heated roadway thing, though. That was to be one of the supposed benefits of having all that cheap electricity. This was back in the Dark Ages. i.e 1950s. Back when radioactivity was still harmless? Got it. The flying car would be nice too. Indeed. Except I do tend to agree with Bruce. There are too many people who shouldn't be driving, let alone flying. Amen, bruddah. Too many people can't even steer, let alone drive. Where are those things, eh? What happened to them? They're still being made. One-offs, but soon(?) commercially available. sigh http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_car Oh, God, not a Studebaker engine! (Fondly (?) remembering my first owned car. Mine was a '57 Chebby (BelAir 4dr HT, 283cid 2bbl w/ PowerPacked heads, Powerglide 2sp auto trans) and the engine had to be rebuilt before I could drive that boat. What's this "fondly" crap? G --- A book burrows into your life in a very profound way because the experience of reading is not passive. --Erica Jong |
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Bruce L. Bergman wrote: On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 20:40:48 -0400, John Husvar wrote: In article , "Tom Gardner" wrote: I want my flying car that I was promised in the '60s! I want to know what happened to all that "Electricity too cheap to meter," heated roadways, etc, etc. that was supposed to come from nuclear power plants. The flying car would be nice too. No! To be more precise, HELL NO! Not unless and until computers get good enough to do all the flying and there's no manual control override option, and that'll be 100 years down the road. I have to dodge ennough assholes in 2D space and coming from known angles at relatively reasonable velocities. I don't even want to THINK about the carnage in the skies if we let just anyone walk in and get a license for their Flying Car. Just think about it rationally - the same mix of old farts who think 35 is plenty fast enough on the freeway, or can't turn their heads so they just make lane changes blind. The rich who think their Rolls or Beemer or Benz is a permit to own the road. The Steve McQueen wannabees who think they're filming the Bullitt chase scene every day. The well connected who can drive however they want because they have their way to make all traffic tickets "disappear" at will. And the immortal teenagers whose brains routinely write checks their driving skills can't cash. Now Bruce, think of the darwinian advantages. The first few years would see some severe weeding, causing general improvement of the gene pool. But I'd also walk for the first five years. Joe Gwinn |
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On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 01:17:27 -0500, cavelamb himself wrote:
Dave Hinz wrote: er, OK. Seen one fly, you can buy one. Seems to meet "workable but spendy" criteria to me. Not my dog, not my fight. You're picking a throwaway response to a throwaway comment and sorry, I'm not all that interested in playing. WHEN and WHERE did you see one fly? EAA Flyin, Oshkosh Wisconsin, guessing late 70's. I'm kinda curious because in 40 years of development the thing has never been off the tether. You can invest a heap of money in the company - but you can not buy one. There are none to buy. No productions at all... OK, sounds like you are more intensely interested in this than I am. I see this: http://www.moller.com/purc.htm But it doesn't mention a delivery date if I give them my money. So yeah I'll pass. I'll let it go, but you lost 10 credibility points on this one, Dave. And you only had 8... Oh, do **** off straight away then, will you? |
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Gunner wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/mai...cispeed116.xml ... And levitation is a piece of cake. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/08/06/nlevitate106.xml Does this sound a little bit like some folks I know of at the University of Utah ???? :-) ...lew... |
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Lew Hartswick wrote:
Gunner wrote: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/mai...cispeed116.xml ... And levitation is a piece of cake. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/08/06/nlevitate106.xml Does this sound a little bit like some folks I know of at the University of Utah ???? :-) ...lew... That was my thought as well, Lew. |
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