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Wiring for welder
I am busily moving into my new shop and need to do some serious wiring
upgrades. I've thought about, sometime in the future, adding an AC/DC stick welder (probably the ubiquitous Lincoln 225A "tombstone") and would like to plan for it. The problem is that the data sheet on the Lincoln website only tells you the power requirement is 220v, 60 Hz, single phase. Nary a word about the current requirement. Anybody own one who knows off hand what the supply current is? Thanks. Jerry |
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My Lincoln 225 (AC only) runs happily on a 50A 220V breaker. I
believe the Lincoln comes with the correct recepatcle, but the spec sheet says "with power cable and attached plug". The specs say max draw of 50A at 220VAC, 60 Hz. Mine came with a NEMA 6-50P plug, so it took a 6-50R recaptacle (looks like an oversize regular 3-prong power plug). I'd check at Home Depot, the AC/DC lists at $390 and see if they have one or maybe the AC only one and look at the plug. Joel in Florida ============= On Aug 11, 5:42 pm, "Jerry Foster" wrote: I am busily moving into my new shop and need to do some serious wiring upgrades. I've thought about, sometime in the future, adding an AC/DC stick welder (probably the ubiquitous Lincoln 225A "tombstone") and would like to plan for it. The problem is that the data sheet on the Lincoln website only tells you the power requirement is 220v, 60 Hz, single phase. Nary a word about the current requirement. Anybody own one who knows off hand what the supply current is? Thanks. Jerry |
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"Jerry Foster" wrote:
I've thought about, sometime in the future, adding an AC/DC stick welder (probably the ubiquitous Lincoln 225A "tombstone") and would like to plan for it. The problem is that the data sheet on the Lincoln website only tells you the power requirement is 220v, 60 Hz, single phase. Nary a word about the current requirement. Assuming max voltage is around 40 or volts at the stinger, I'd say 50 amps will do it. Wes |
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As the others have said, or referenced, the welder will require 50A *at
its maximum output* (225A). I don't think in 20 years that I have ever run mine at more than 125A. So if I were adding an outlet in the garage, say, I would run a 30A circuit just because I could use 10 ga wire iso 6(?) ga. Cheaper and much easier to handle. YMMV, Bob |
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On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 21:42:54 GMT, the renowned "Jerry Foster"
wrote: I am busily moving into my new shop and need to do some serious wiring upgrades. I've thought about, sometime in the future, adding an AC/DC stick welder (probably the ubiquitous Lincoln 225A "tombstone") and would like to plan for it. The problem is that the data sheet on the Lincoln website only tells you the power requirement is 220v, 60 Hz, single phase. Nary a word about the current requirement. Anybody own one who knows off hand what the supply current is? Thanks. Jerry Is this the one? http://content.lincolnelectric.com/p...ature/e230.pdf You can see the input current rating down near the bottom of the first page, for different models. Best regards, Spehro Pefhany -- "it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward" Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com |
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On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 19:31:08 -0400, Bob Engelhardt
wrote: As the others have said, or referenced, the welder will require 50A *at its maximum output* (225A). I don't think in 20 years that I have ever run mine at more than 125A. So if I were adding an outlet in the garage, say, I would run a 30A circuit just because I could use 10 ga wire iso 6(?) ga. Cheaper and much easier to handle. Wire is cheap if you only have to do it once - the cost difference for a short run of #6 vs. #10 is negligible. It costs more to build it once, rip it out, throw it on the scrap pile, and start over. If it's a long run between the garage/workshop and the main service panel, you run a 100A or 125A line and put a sub-panel in the garage. Then the leads to the 50A 240V welder receptacle and your other power tools are nice and short, and you can run the 5 HP air compressor (30A 240V circuit) at the same time. If you ever plan to get a plasma cutter you need air and weld power at the same time. -- Bruce -- |
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On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 15:31:14 GMT, Bruce L. Bergman
wrote: On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 19:31:08 -0400, Bob Engelhardt wrote: As the others have said, or referenced, the welder will require 50A *at its maximum output* (225A). I don't think in 20 years that I have ever run mine at more than 125A. So if I were adding an outlet in the garage, say, I would run a 30A circuit just because I could use 10 ga wire iso 6(?) ga. Cheaper and much easier to handle. Wire is cheap if you only have to do it once - the cost difference for a short run of #6 vs. #10 is negligible. It costs more to build it once, rip it out, throw it on the scrap pile, and start over. If it's a long run between the garage/workshop and the main service panel, you run a 100A or 125A line and put a sub-panel in the garage. Then the leads to the 50A 240V welder receptacle and your other power tools are nice and short, and you can run the 5 HP air compressor (30A 240V circuit) at the same time. If you ever plan to get a plasma cutter you need air and weld power at the same time. -- Bruce -- I just hung 4500' of #6. Thank Crom I only had to sign for it...not pay for it.... Gunner |
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On Aug 11, 2:42?pm, "Jerry Foster"
wrote: I am busily moving into my new shop and need to do some serious wiring upgrades. I've thought about, sometime in the future, adding an AC/DC stick welder (probably the ubiquitous Lincoln 225A "tombstone") and would like to plan for it. Thanks. Jerry Some people swear by this machine and some at it. I'm one of the latter. I've used these lincolns where trhe multiple contact switch did not make a good connection and had to be clicked back and forth several times to get maximum output for that range. My preference is the 225A Miller. The output is regulated by moving the core in or out of the transformer.Not only does this give stepless output control but provides a higher open circuit voltage for easier weld starting. Engineman |
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On Aug 12, 1:52 pm, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 15:31:14 GMT, Bruce L. Bergman wrote: On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 19:31:08 -0400, Bob Engelhardt wrote: As the others have said, or referenced, the welder will require 50A *at its maximum output* (225A). I don't think in 20 years that I have ever run mine at more than 125A. So if I were adding an outlet in the garage, say, I would run a 30A circuit just because I could use 10 ga wire iso 6(?) ga. Cheaper and much easier to handle. Wire is cheap if you only have to do it once - the cost difference for a short run of #6 vs. #10 is negligible. It costs more to build it once, rip it out, throw it on the scrap pile, and start over. If it's a long run between the garage/workshop and the main service panel, you run a 100A or 125A line and put a sub-panel in the garage. Then the leads to the 50A 240V welder receptacle and your other power tools are nice and short, and you can run the 5 HP air compressor (30A 240V circuit) at the same time. If you ever plan to get a plasma cutter you need air and weld power at the same time. -- Bruce -- I just hung 4500' of #6. Thank Crom I only had to sign for it...not pay for it.... Gunner Gunner Would that spool even FIT in your little ranger? |
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Bob Engelhardt writes:
As the others have said, or referenced, the welder will require 50A *at its maximum output* (225A). I don't think in 20 years that I have ever run mine at more than 125A. So if I were adding an outlet in the garage, say, I would run a 30A circuit just because I could use 10 ga wire iso 6(?) ga. Cheaper and much easier to handle. Wire the outlet for the rated maximum of what you're going to plug into it. Don't put in an inadequate circuit, planning to never turn the welder up all the way. |
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On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 13:10:43 -0700, Brent
wrote: On Aug 12, 1:52 pm, Gunner Asch wrote: On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 15:31:14 GMT, Bruce L. Bergman wrote: On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 19:31:08 -0400, Bob Engelhardt wrote: As the others have said, or referenced, the welder will require 50A *at its maximum output* (225A). I don't think in 20 years that I have ever run mine at more than 125A. So if I were adding an outlet in the garage, say, I would run a 30A circuit just because I could use 10 ga wire iso 6(?) ga. Cheaper and much easier to handle. Wire is cheap if you only have to do it once - the cost difference for a short run of #6 vs. #10 is negligible. It costs more to build it once, rip it out, throw it on the scrap pile, and start over. If it's a long run between the garage/workshop and the main service panel, you run a 100A or 125A line and put a sub-panel in the garage. Then the leads to the 50A 240V welder receptacle and your other power tools are nice and short, and you can run the 5 HP air compressor (30A 240V circuit) at the same time. If you ever plan to get a plasma cutter you need air and weld power at the same time. -- Bruce -- I just hung 4500' of #6. Thank Crom I only had to sign for it...not pay for it.... Gunner Gunner Would that spool even FIT in your little ranger? Sure did, 6 spools at a time G Gunner |
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On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 16:29:14 -0700, the renowned Gunner Asch
wrote: On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 13:10:43 -0700, Brent wrote: On Aug 12, 1:52 pm, Gunner Asch wrote: On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 15:31:14 GMT, Bruce L. Bergman wrote: On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 19:31:08 -0400, Bob Engelhardt wrote: As the others have said, or referenced, the welder will require 50A *at its maximum output* (225A). I don't think in 20 years that I have ever run mine at more than 125A. So if I were adding an outlet in the garage, say, I would run a 30A circuit just because I could use 10 ga wire iso 6(?) ga. Cheaper and much easier to handle. Wire is cheap if you only have to do it once - the cost difference for a short run of #6 vs. #10 is negligible. It costs more to build it once, rip it out, throw it on the scrap pile, and start over. If it's a long run between the garage/workshop and the main service panel, you run a 100A or 125A line and put a sub-panel in the garage. Then the leads to the 50A 240V welder receptacle and your other power tools are nice and short, and you can run the 5 HP air compressor (30A 240V circuit) at the same time. If you ever plan to get a plasma cutter you need air and weld power at the same time. -- Bruce -- I just hung 4500' of #6. Thank Crom I only had to sign for it...not pay for it.... Gunner Gunner Would that spool even FIT in your little ranger? Sure did, 6 spools at a time G Gunner I hope the place had the A/C running well.. Best regards, Spehro Pefhany -- "it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward" Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com |
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On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 20:53:52 -0500, Spehro Pefhany
wrote: On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 16:29:14 -0700, the renowned Gunner Asch wrote: On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 13:10:43 -0700, Brent wrote: On Aug 12, 1:52 pm, Gunner Asch wrote: On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 15:31:14 GMT, Bruce L. Bergman wrote: On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 19:31:08 -0400, Bob Engelhardt wrote: As the others have said, or referenced, the welder will require 50A *at its maximum output* (225A). I don't think in 20 years that I have ever run mine at more than 125A. So if I were adding an outlet in the garage, say, I would run a 30A circuit just because I could use 10 ga wire iso 6(?) ga. Cheaper and much easier to handle. Wire is cheap if you only have to do it once - the cost difference for a short run of #6 vs. #10 is negligible. It costs more to build it once, rip it out, throw it on the scrap pile, and start over. If it's a long run between the garage/workshop and the main service panel, you run a 100A or 125A line and put a sub-panel in the garage. Then the leads to the 50A 240V welder receptacle and your other power tools are nice and short, and you can run the 5 HP air compressor (30A 240V circuit) at the same time. If you ever plan to get a plasma cutter you need air and weld power at the same time. -- Bruce -- I just hung 4500' of #6. Thank Crom I only had to sign for it...not pay for it.... Gunner Gunner Would that spool even FIT in your little ranger? Sure did, 6 spools at a time G Gunner I hope the place had the A/C running well.. A/C? In a machine shop? Blink blink.. Deepest respects Gunner Best regards, Spehro Pefhany |
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Jerry Foster wrote:
I am busily moving into my new shop and need to do some serious wiring upgrades. I've thought about, sometime in the future, adding an AC/DC stick welder (probably the ubiquitous Lincoln 225A "tombstone") and would like to plan for it. The problem is that the data sheet on the Lincoln website only tells you the power requirement is 220v, 60 Hz, single phase. Nary a word about the current requirement. Anybody own one who knows off hand what the supply current is? Thanks. Jerry |
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Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 20:53:52 -0500, Spehro Pefhany wrote: On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 16:29:14 -0700, the renowned Gunner Asch wrote: On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 13:10:43 -0700, Brent wrote: On Aug 12, 1:52 pm, Gunner Asch wrote: On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 15:31:14 GMT, Bruce L. Bergman wrote: On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 19:31:08 -0400, Bob Engelhardt wrote: As the others have said, or referenced, the welder will require 50A *at its maximum output* (225A). I don't think in 20 years that I have ever run mine at more than 125A. So if I were adding an outlet in the garage, say, I would run a 30A circuit just because I could use 10 ga wire iso 6(?) ga. Cheaper and much easier to handle. Wire is cheap if you only have to do it once - the cost difference for a short run of #6 vs. #10 is negligible. It costs more to build it once, rip it out, throw it on the scrap pile, and start over. If it's a long run between the garage/workshop and the main service panel, you run a 100A or 125A line and put a sub-panel in the garage. Then the leads to the 50A 240V welder receptacle and your other power tools are nice and short, and you can run the 5 HP air compressor (30A 240V circuit) at the same time. If you ever plan to get a plasma cutter you need air and weld power at the same time. -- Bruce -- I just hung 4500' of #6. Thank Crom I only had to sign for it...not pay for it.... Gunner Gunner Would that spool even FIT in your little ranger? Sure did, 6 spools at a time G Gunner I hope the place had the A/C running well.. A/C? In a machine shop? Blink blink.. Ants & cockroaches. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
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