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Lead therapy, dose of 1-7/8 ounce, delivered at somewhere around
1000FPS. I prefer the 3/4" diameter delivery mechanism.

The little ****ers are making hills everywhere.


And for every hill there's a hole waiting to trip something, yup.


That would be simple. But I never see them. And I did step in a tunnel the
other day, but it wasn't a bad one. I have a S&W .357 with rat shot that
would be good, too.

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A coworker of mine in silicon valley had a ranch up in the Santa Cruz
mountains. He thought gophers were "cute" until one year they had heavy
rains. An entire hillside detached from the mountain & made a hell of a
mess. It was sort of like "tear on dotted line", the hill had sheared
along a surface passing neatly through a large network of gopher tunnels.

He suddenly started pumping me for info on .22 rifles, scopes, ammo, etc.

Doug White


I think there's a misconception here. I have never seen a gopher. They do
all their things below ground. A prairie dog, or a ground squirrel spends a
lot of time on top of the ground, so one can get a shot at them. Maybe I
don't know the proper stakeout for a gopher, but it doesn't sound like
anything I have the patience for or capacity for that much beer before the
first one shows up. I'd probably hit the house.

Steve


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A coworker of mine in silicon valley had a ranch up in the Santa Cruz
mountains. He thought gophers were "cute" until one year they had heavy
rains. An entire hillside detached from the mountain & made a hell of a
mess. It was sort of like "tear on dotted line", the hill had sheared
along a surface passing neatly through a large network of gopher tunnels.

He suddenly started pumping me for info on .22 rifles, scopes, ammo, etc.

Doug White



I think there's a misconception here. I have never seen a gopher. They do
all their things below ground. A prairie dog, or a ground squirrel spends a
lot of time on top of the ground, so one can get a shot at them. Maybe I
don't know the proper stakeout for a gopher, but it doesn't sound like
anything I have the patience for or capacity for that much beer before the
first one shows up. I'd probably hit the house.

Steve



Yeah. There are gophers and then there are gophers.

The underground ones are usually better off being referred to as
Pocket Gophers (known as moles around the farms I shot ground squirrels,
also known as gophers).

Best fastest and most effective thing I have found for pocket gophers
is a trap called The Black Hole Trap.

Like any trapping, the set-up is key.

You have to plant the trap with one end sealed to the tunnel, and the
other end open to air. The area around the mouth must be sealed to the
tunnel, usually with a bit of sod or dirt.

I had great success, setting the trap in the mouth of a fresh mound,
as well as tee'd across the side of a tunnel run, found by either
feeling it cave underfoot, or some judicious probing with a wire,
between fresh mounds.

My best time was 6 minutes from set to trapped! :-)

Cheers
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On 8 Aug 2007 03:03:34 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote:

On Tue, 7 Aug 2007 19:47:06 -0600, SteveB wrote:

I'm going to use piezo electric, but different than the ones that click one
time with one push. A friend of mine has a Coleman barbecue, of all brands.
The clicker will click for as long as you hold the button down.


Once you get one, please explain how that works. With what I know of
piezo-electric transducers, that is impossible, but I would it find it
immensely useful to be wrong in this instance.


There is a piezo sparker for striking torches that puts out more
than one spark per squeeze. It has some sort of ratcheting action that
causes the crystal to be repeatedly hit as you squeeze the handle.
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On 8 Aug 2007 03:03:34 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote:

On Tue, 7 Aug 2007 19:47:06 -0600, SteveB wrote:

I'm going to use piezo electric, but different than the ones that click one
time with one push. A friend of mine has a Coleman barbecue, of all brands.
The clicker will click for as long as you hold the button down.


Once you get one, please explain how that works. With what I know of
piezo-electric transducers, that is impossible, but I would it find it
immensely useful to be wrong in this instance.


There is a piezo sparker for striking torches that puts out more
than one spark per squeeze. It has some sort of ratcheting action that
causes the crystal to be repeatedly hit as you squeeze the handle.


But even it has a limit.
How about a rotary piezo igniter like on a BroilKing BBQ?

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"Doug White" wrote

A coworker of mine in silicon valley had a ranch up in the Santa Cruz
mountains. He thought gophers were "cute" until one year they had heavy
rains. An entire hillside detached from the mountain & made a hell of a
mess. It was sort of like "tear on dotted line", the hill had sheared
along a surface passing neatly through a large network of gopher tunnels.


He suddenly started pumping me for info on .22 rifles, scopes, ammo, etc.


Doug White


I think there's a misconception here. I have never seen a gopher. They do
all their things below ground. A prairie dog, or a ground squirrel spends a
lot of time on top of the ground, so one can get a shot at them. Maybe I
don't know the proper stakeout for a gopher, but it doesn't sound like
anything I have the patience for or capacity for that much beer before the
first one shows up. I'd probably hit the house.

Steve


LOL...that reminds me of my younger years.

We would go get two cylinders of CO2 and a keg of beer when a gopher
was spotted.

One cylinder of CO2 would be put down the gopher hole while the other
one was used for the keg.

Got the gopher and emptied the keg....a win win situation.

TMT

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On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 09:04:31 -0500, Wayne Cook
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On 8 Aug 2007 03:03:34 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote:


On Tue, 7 Aug 2007 19:47:06 -0600, SteveB wrote:


I'm going to use piezo electric, but different than the ones that click one
time with one push. A friend of mine has a Coleman barbecue, of all brands.
The clicker will click for as long as you hold the button down.


Once you get one, please explain how that works. With what I know of
piezo-electric transducers, that is impossible, but I would it find it
immensely useful to be wrong in this instance.


There is a piezo sparker for striking torches that puts out more
than one spark per squeeze. It has some sort of ratcheting action that
causes the crystal to be repeatedly hit as you squeeze the handle.


But even it has a limit.
How about a rotary piezo igniter like on a BroilKing BBQ?

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How about using one of those electric igniters that they use for model
rockets?

You can even have the kids count down and push the "launch" button.

TMT

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"Gerald Miller" wrote

Don't know about gophers, but every couple years I have a skunk move
in under the floor of my storage shed. I just drop a few moth balls
through a hole in the floor and they move up the block to visit the
wildlife control fellow four doors up.
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada


We had a chipmunk take up residence in the tongue and groove siding two
springs ago. We trot on down to Ace, and the lady says mothballs are the
answer, and a couple should do it. My wife gets TWO boxes, which I
obediently pour into the wallspace. Overkill of near the fourth magnitude.

This summer, the smell is finally gone. I was ready to rip out the tongue
and groove. Oh, yeah, she had me pepper spray the hole just for good
measure, too. Sealed the hole with a piece of rusty tin to go with the
weathered stained siding. So far so good. Maybe the mothballs are still
working just enough.

Steve

Been here 23 years and I'm still on my first box of moth balls, of
course I keep them in a sealed glass jar which only gets opened about
every second year.
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada
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Nick Hull wrote:

I usually put a hose in and flood the tunnels (expect 50 gal) and
shoot hom when he comes out

Free men own guns -


& Gophers don't.


A picture of a Saskatchewan gopher

http://belglen.sasktelwebsite.net/army.jpg



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A picture of a Saskatchewan gopher

http://belglen.sasktelwebsite.net/army.jpg


Are they all left-handed, er pawed? The beret looks good on the "gopher."


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Don Foreman wrote:

If they're pocket gophers, right on. They do appear above ground but
seldom. Shooting gophers requires sniper-grade patience. Flooding
sometimes works, shoot them with a .22 handgun when flooding makes
them come up for air -- but you'll kill or not with first shot.

Don, from the Gopher State (MN)




When my kids were little and we would visit my uncle J.R. he would
gather up his gopher getters. Thay were made from 3/8" steel rod, bent
into a 10 to 12" u with the ends bent up. On the ends was a backing
plate where he mounted a 3" piece of 3/4" pipe out from the plate so he
could get a pipe cap on it, aimed at and 12 to 14" above the ground. The
cap had a hole in the middle of it. Above that was the workings of a
mouse trap mounted so it would hit the pipe cap. A piece of welding rod
was used to trigger the mouse trap. It ran though a tube on the backing
plate to the ground where it was bent 90deg. He would place this over
the gopher hole, put a thin piece of wood over gopher hole that the
welding rod would touch. Then put a 12ga shotshell in the pipe, put the
cap on, cock the mouse trap, put a sawed off nail in the hole in the
pipe cap as a firing pin, and wait to hear from the gopher.

I am not recommending to build one of these, just relaying something I
saw 30+ years ago.

Don

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A picture of a Saskatchewan gopher


http://belglen.sasktelwebsite.net/army.jpg


Are they all left-handed, er pawed? The beret looks good on the "gopher."


Here's a right-hander gopher:
http://www.funny.co.uk/stuff/art_175...ck-gopher.html

This gopher got mad enough to take on the garden tractor:
http://www.pipebombnews.com/readerimages/gopher.gif

Dan

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Don Foreman wrote:

If they're pocket gophers, right on. They do appear above ground but
seldom. Shooting gophers requires sniper-grade patience. Flooding
sometimes works, shoot them with a .22 handgun when flooding makes
them come up for air -- but you'll kill or not with first shot.

Don, from the Gopher State (MN)




When my kids were little and we would visit my uncle J.R. he would
gather up his gopher getters. Thay were made from 3/8" steel rod, bent
into a 10 to 12" u with the ends bent up. On the ends was a backing
plate where he mounted a 3" piece of 3/4" pipe out from the plate so he
could get a pipe cap on it, aimed at and 12 to 14" above the ground. The
cap had a hole in the middle of it. Above that was the workings of a
mouse trap mounted so it would hit the pipe cap. A piece of welding rod
was used to trigger the mouse trap. It ran though a tube on the backing
plate to the ground where it was bent 90deg. He would place this over
the gopher hole, put a thin piece of wood over gopher hole that the
welding rod would touch. Then put a 12ga shotshell in the pipe, put the
cap on, cock the mouse trap, put a sawed off nail in the hole in the
pipe cap as a firing pin, and wait to hear from the gopher.

I am not recommending to build one of these, just relaying something I
saw 30+ years ago.


Gopher IEDs. I love it! g

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On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 17:30:13 GMT, Don Murray
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Don Foreman wrote:


If they're pocket gophers, right on. They do appear above ground but
seldom. Shooting gophers requires sniper-grade patience. Flooding
sometimes works, shoot them with a .22 handgun when flooding makes
them come up for air -- but you'll kill or not with first shot.


When my kids were little and we would visit my uncle J.R. he would
gather up his gopher getters. Thay were made from 3/8" steel rod, bent
into a 10 to 12" u with the ends bent up. On the ends was a backing
plate where he mounted a 3" piece of 3/4" pipe out from the plate so he
could get a pipe cap on it, aimed at and 12 to 14" above the ground. The
cap had a hole in the middle of it. Above that was the workings of a
mouse trap mounted so it would hit the pipe cap. A piece of welding rod
was used to trigger the mouse trap. It ran though a tube on the backing
plate to the ground where it was bent 90deg. He would place this over
the gopher hole, put a thin piece of wood over gopher hole that the
welding rod would touch. Then put a 12ga shotshell in the pipe, put the
cap on, cock the mouse trap, put a sawed off nail in the hole in the
pipe cap as a firing pin, and wait to hear from the gopher.

I am not recommending to build one of these, just relaying something I
saw 30+ years ago.


Geez - wouldn't it be easier to build a miniature Claymore Mine?
(The "Front - Toward Enemy" markings optional)

-- Bruce --

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Bruce L. Bergman wrote on Sun, 12
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On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 17:30:13 GMT, Don Murray
wrote:
Don Foreman wrote:


If they're pocket gophers, right on. They do appear above ground but
seldom. Shooting gophers requires sniper-grade patience. Flooding
sometimes works, shoot them with a .22 handgun when flooding makes
them come up for air -- but you'll kill or not with first shot.


When my kids were little and we would visit my uncle J.R. he would
gather up his gopher getters. Thay were made from 3/8" steel rod, bent
into a 10 to 12" u with the ends bent up. On the ends was a backing
plate where he mounted a 3" piece of 3/4" pipe out from the plate so he
could get a pipe cap on it, aimed at and 12 to 14" above the ground. The
cap had a hole in the middle of it. Above that was the workings of a
mouse trap mounted so it would hit the pipe cap. A piece of welding rod
was used to trigger the mouse trap. It ran though a tube on the backing
plate to the ground where it was bent 90deg. He would place this over
the gopher hole, put a thin piece of wood over gopher hole that the
welding rod would touch. Then put a 12ga shotshell in the pipe, put the
cap on, cock the mouse trap, put a sawed off nail in the hole in the
pipe cap as a firing pin, and wait to hear from the gopher.

I am not recommending to build one of these, just relaying something I
saw 30+ years ago.


Geez - wouldn't it be easier to build a miniature Claymore Mine?
(The "Front - Toward Enemy" markings optional)


Maybe, but then again, some folks like to "tinker".

tschus
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crunching, lots of metalworking, lots of electronics. All to do what?
Make a big boom. Lots of flash, lots of noise, lots of dirt going into
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Don Murray wrote:
... gopher getters. ... a 12ga shotshell ...


HOLY ****!! He called it a "gopher getter", I call it a booby trap
waiting for some kid's curiosity to do him serious damage.

My $.02,
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Don Murray wrote:
... gopher getters. ... a 12ga shotshell ...


HOLY ****!! He called it a "gopher getter", I call it a booby trap
waiting for some kid's curiosity to do him serious damage.

My $.02,
Bob


And it's too bad it didn't get more of some of the more seriously dumb
little ****ers. There are too many of them around today as seriously dumb
big ****ers.

Steve


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Don Murray wrote:
... gopher getters. ... a 12ga shotshell ...


HOLY ****!! He called it a "gopher getter", I call it a booby trap
waiting for some kid's curiosity to do him serious damage.

My $.02,
Bob



You normally have strange children adrift on your property, pulling
metal assemblies out of the ground?

Gunner

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On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 09:14:22 -0400, Bob Engelhardt
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Don Murray wrote:
... gopher getters. ... a 12ga shotshell ...


HOLY ****!! He called it a "gopher getter", I call it a booby trap
waiting for some kid's curiosity to do him serious damage.

My $.02,
Bob



You normally have strange children adrift on your property, pulling
metal assemblies out of the ground?


Not a second time...


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pyotr filipivich quickly quoth:

After a Computer crash and the demise of civilization, it was learned
Gunner Asch wrote on Sun, 12 Aug 2007
10:40:29 -0700 in rec.crafts.metalworking :
On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 09:14:22 -0400, Bob Engelhardt
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Don Murray wrote:
... gopher getters. ... a 12ga shotshell ...

HOLY ****!! He called it a "gopher getter", I call it a booby trap
waiting for some kid's curiosity to do him serious damage.

My $.02,
Bob



You normally have strange children adrift on your property, pulling
metal assemblies out of the ground?


Not a second time...


ROTFLMAO!

I'm lucky I wasn't sipping coffee at that moment, Pete. 2 points!
So, when he buries 'em, does that stink out or scare away the gophers?

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"Bob Engelhardt" wrote in message
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Don Murray wrote:
... gopher getters. ... a 12ga shotshell ...


HOLY ****!! He called it a "gopher getter", I call it a booby trap
waiting for some kid's curiosity to do him serious damage.

My $.02,
Bob


And it's too bad it didn't get more of some of the more seriously dumb
little ****ers. There are too many of them around today as seriously dumb
big ****ers.

And then they advance to the level of their incompetence as teachers
or silly servants.
Gerry :-)}
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On Aug 8, 4:06 pm, clare at snyder.on.ca wrote:
On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 09:04:31 -0500, Wayne Cook
wrote:

On 8 Aug 2007 03:03:34 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote:


On Tue, 7 Aug 2007 19:47:06 -0600, SteveB wrote:


I'm going to use piezo electric, but different than the ones that click one
time with one push. A friend of mine has a Coleman barbecue, of all brands.
The clicker will click for as long as you hold the button down.


Once you get one, please explain how that works. With what I know of
piezo-electric transducers, that is impossible, but I would it find it
immensely useful to be wrong in this instance.


There is a piezo sparker for striking torches that puts out more
than one spark per squeeze. It has some sort of ratcheting action that
causes the crystal to be repeatedly hit as you squeeze the handle.


But even it has a limit.
How about a rotary piezo igniter like on a BroilKing BBQ?

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How about using one of those electric igniters that they use for model
rockets?

You can even have the kids count down and push the "launch" button.

TMT



Good idea! Keep away from danger and a family fun time!

If there is enough juice in the tunnels, maybe launch one of them dang
Gophers into orbit... Dinna know if that qualifies for the X-Prize,
but would look damn good on anyone's resume ;-)

Hmm... Getting visions of the Roadrunner/Coyote cartoons...

Cheers,

Phred
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