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Gunner July 6th 04 09:25 AM

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http://kerry-04.com/about/resume.php
That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's
cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays
there.
- George Orwell

Vaughn July 6th 04 11:20 AM

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"Gunner" wrote in message
...

I guess Gunner is feeling better...starting up with the political ****
again. Wanna hear about my religion?

Vaughn



Tom Gardner July 6th 04 01:40 PM

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One of my techs is a "Frisbitarian". He believes that when he dies, he
flies up on the roof to spend eternity. I told him that he will most likely
land under the TV antenna full of birds.


I guess Gunner is feeling better...starting up with the political

****
again. Wanna hear about my religion?

Vaughn





Bob Paulin July 6th 04 01:46 PM

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Vaughn wrote in article
...

"Gunner" wrote in message
...

I guess Gunner is feeling better...starting up with the political

****
again. Wanna hear about my religion?



Sure, why not?

I can avoid reading your religious posts just about as easily as you can
avoid reading Gunner's posts - if you so wished....

.....but YOUR problem begins when you click on Gunner's posts, so whose
fault is that?

Why not simply avoid Gunner's posts if they upset you so much?

I suspect, however, you would much rather read them and complain.



wallster July 6th 04 04:33 PM

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Gunner wrote in message
...
http://kerry-04.com/about/resume.php
That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's
cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays
there.
- George Orwell


http://bushandcheneysuck.com/George-W.-Bush-Resume.htm


"I think we agree, the past is over."
-Geo. W. Bush





Gunner July 6th 04 05:48 PM

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On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 10:20:28 GMT, "Vaughn"
wrote:


"Gunner" wrote in message
.. .

I guess Gunner is feeling better...starting up with the political ****
again. Wanna hear about my religion?

Vaughn


You may notice that I avoid religion.

Gunner

That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's
cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays
there.
- George Orwell

Gunner July 6th 04 05:49 PM

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On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 07:46:15 -0500, "Bob Paulin"
wrote:



Vaughn wrote in article
...

"Gunner" wrote in message
...

I guess Gunner is feeling better...starting up with the political

****
again. Wanna hear about my religion?



Sure, why not?

I can avoid reading your religious posts just about as easily as you can
avoid reading Gunner's posts - if you so wished....

....but YOUR problem begins when you click on Gunner's posts, so whose
fault is that?

Why not simply avoid Gunner's posts if they upset you so much?

I suspect, however, you would much rather read them and complain.

Point, set and match.

Gunner

That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's
cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays
there.
- George Orwell

Clark Magnuson July 6th 04 07:29 PM

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[Kerry] earned a lifetime rating of 0% from the National Rifle
Association



That is the kiss of death for me.


Robin S. July 6th 04 10:00 PM

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"wallster" wrote in message
...

http://bushandcheneysuck.com/George-W.-Bush-Resume.htm


The thing about the GWB resume is that there are no stupid little comments
that explain to the reader what the author is trying to convey.

These are rampant in the Kerry resume. Really bad writing. Plays only to
people who don't need to be convinced.

Regards,

Robin



Bob Paulin July 6th 04 10:43 PM

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Gunner wrote in article
...
Point, set and match.

Gunner

That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's
cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays
there.
- George Orwell




Typical convoluted liberal thinking.....nothing is ever his own
fault....even when he makes a conscious decision to click a key and read a
post, it is, somehow, someone else's fault - in this case, of course, it is
Gunner.

Having been coddled all his life in the concept that he is without blame,
he has never developed enough self-control to NOT click on Gunner's posts,
so, again, it must be Gunner's fault....damned, despicable Conservative
that Gunner is!

Go figure!

Maybe he ought to read the message that Bill Cosby has been sending out to
Negro/colored/black/Afro-American (your choice) kids these days about
responsibility for themselves?

That's enough to starch the underwear of any true liberal.





Eric R Snow July 7th 04 12:24 AM

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SNIP

Maybe he ought to read the message that Bill Cosby has been sending out to
Negro/colored/black/Afro-American (your choice) kids these days about
responsibility for themselves?

That's enough to starch the underwear of any true liberal.

Actually Bob, it's not your choice if you want to be polite and
respectful. To couch an insult as just whatever term you like is
disingenuous and you know it. Let's say I choose to refer to you as
"asshole" . That could certainly be my choice and is an insult and is
not something I should say unless I know you well enough to come to
that conclusion. I'm sure if I was to refer to you in a way that you
considered an insult you would not care to speak to me or to consider
what I say as something that mattered. For you to say that referring
to certain people as "colored" for example is my choice is to insult
them and to let us know that you do not consider them equals.
Eric R Snow

Intrepid July 7th 04 03:18 AM

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On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 08:25:40 GMT, Gunner
wrote:

http://kerry-04.com/about/resume.php



Hmmm, I wonder if Kerry is related to Paul Martin...?





One depressed WESTERN Canadian,

Intrepid

Gunner July 7th 04 03:49 AM

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On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 16:43:19 -0500, "Bob Paulin"
wrote:



Gunner wrote in article
...
Point, set and match.

Gunner

That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's
cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays
there.
- George Orwell




Typical convoluted liberal thinking.....nothing is ever his own
fault....even when he makes a conscious decision to click a key and read a
post, it is, somehow, someone else's fault - in this case, of course, it is
Gunner.

Having been coddled all his life in the concept that he is without blame,
he has never developed enough self-control to NOT click on Gunner's posts,
so, again, it must be Gunner's fault....damned, despicable Conservative
that Gunner is!

Go figure!

Maybe he ought to read the message that Bill Cosby has been sending out to
Negro/colored/black/Afro-American (your choice) kids these days about
responsibility for themselves?

That's enough to starch the underwear of any true liberal.



Im absolutely fascinated by the Left in regards to Cosbys comments.
The poor dumb hate filled *******s have got to be going nuts, not
knowing weither to **** or go blind. They certainly cannot dismiss
him as a nutcase, nor can they demonize him, nor can they blame his
comments on ignornace.

Id loved to have an EKG machine hooked up to everyone of those
buffoons as he stepped up to the podium and started to speak....

Buwaahahahahahahaha!

Gunner

"The entire population of Great Britain has been declared insane by
their government. It is believed that should any one of them come in
possession of a firearm, he will immediately start to foam at the
mouth and begin kiling children at the nearest school. The proof of
their insanity is that they actually believe this."
-- someone in misc.survivalism

Gunner July 7th 04 03:52 AM

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On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 16:24:37 -0700, Eric R Snow
wrote:

SNIP

Maybe he ought to read the message that Bill Cosby has been sending out to
Negro/colored/black/Afro-American (your choice) kids these days about
responsibility for themselves?

That's enough to starch the underwear of any true liberal.

Actually Bob, it's not your choice if you want to be polite and
respectful. To couch an insult as just whatever term you like is
disingenuous and you know it. Let's say I choose to refer to you as
"asshole" . That could certainly be my choice and is an insult and is
not something I should say unless I know you well enough to come to
that conclusion. I'm sure if I was to refer to you in a way that you
considered an insult you would not care to speak to me or to consider
what I say as something that mattered. For you to say that referring
to certain people as "colored" for example is my choice is to insult
them and to let us know that you do not consider them equals.
Eric R Snow


A negro/black/colored/AA buddy of mines mom calls herself and her
race, colored. She even uses the Negro name. At 85 or so..I somehow
cannot believe she uses African American very often. Ive never heard
her use it.

Gunner, German-Finno-Irish American


"The entire population of Great Britain has been declared insane by
their government. It is believed that should any one of them come in
possession of a firearm, he will immediately start to foam at the
mouth and begin kiling children at the nearest school. The proof of
their insanity is that they actually believe this."
-- someone in misc.survivalism

Robin S. July 7th 04 04:06 AM

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"Intrepid" wrote in message
...

One depressed WESTERN Canadian,


Fricken Harper supporters!

One relieved Ontarian...

Regards,

Robin



Tim Williams July 7th 04 06:16 AM

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"Gunner" wrote in message
...
Why not simply avoid Gunner's posts if they upset you so much?

I suspect, however, you would much rather read them and complain.

Point, set and match.


Ah, Gunner advocates spam! Golden! ;o)

(But indeed, please educate me on how it is any different.)

Tim

--
"I've got more trophies than Wayne Gretsky and the Pope combined!"
- Homer Simpson
Website @ http://webpages.charter.net/dawill/tmoranwms



Jeff Wisnia July 7th 04 06:20 AM

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Eric R Snow wrote:

snipped

For you to say that referring
to certain people as "colored" for example is my choice is to insult
them and to let us know that you do not consider them equals.
Eric R Snow


It's hard to consider the term "colored" as truly insulting until the
NAACP (The world's largest civil rights organization) decides to change
its name. They're still using the same one they picked for their
organization when it was formed in 1909.

However, I took a look at their website and you do have to search around
quite a bit to find places where they spell the organization's name out
in full, so perhap's they too hope that "colored" will fall out of
common usage.

http://www.naacp.org/

I dropped that term from my vocabulary about 15 years ago because my
middle son, embued with the youngish liberality a college student,
always asked me, "Dad what color *is* he?" whenever I used it. I got his
point....

Just my .02,

Jeff

--

Jeff Wisnia (W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)

"If you can smile when things are going wrong, you've thought of someone
to blame it on."


Bob Paulin July 7th 04 12:48 PM

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Eric R Snow wrote in article
...
SNIP

Maybe he ought to read the message that Bill Cosby has been sending out

to
Negro/colored/black/Afro-American (your choice) kids these days about
responsibility for themselves?

That's enough to starch the underwear of any true liberal.


Actually Bob, it's not your choice if you want to be polite and
respectful. To couch an insult as just whatever term you like is
disingenuous and you know it. Let's say I choose to refer to you as
"asshole" . That could certainly be my choice and is an insult and is
not something I should say unless I know you well enough to come to
that conclusion. I'm sure if I was to refer to you in a way that you
considered an insult you would not care to speak to me or to consider
what I say as something that mattered. For you to say that referring
to certain people as "colored" for example is my choice is to insult
them and to let us know that you do not consider them equals.
Eric R Snow


The point I was trying to make is that people such as Jesse "Shakedown"
Jackson gripe about "his" people having no identity - yet they go and
change their prefered identity every couple of decades - from "Negro" to
"colored" to "black" to "African-American"....flavor of the month, if you
will.

And, would a Caucasian American citizen with African roots also be
considered an "African-American?" Why not?


Bob Paulin - Canadian/Acadian-American (See how stupid it begins to sound
if carried to its logical end?)



Intrepid July 7th 04 02:00 PM

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On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 23:06:14 -0400, "Robin S."
wrote:


"Intrepid" wrote in message
.. .

One depressed WESTERN Canadian,


Fricken Harper supporters!

One relieved Ontarian...

Regards,

Robin


Well, at least we have most of the oil rigs...

metal content


It will be very interesting to see how long ontario lasts when Quebec
separates, and we in the west form our own, truly democratic, country.

Yes, I am a Harper supporter. As far as I am concerned, he is the only
hope for this country. Not Martin and his band of thieves...

Adscam, the gun registry more metal content that does absolutely no
good, Martin's own off-shore shipping business, healthcare, our sadly
abused military, the list goes on, and on...

You have obviously fallen victim to the Fiberals fear and smear
campaign, with regards to Harper. Has it ever occured to you that
the Fiberals have been lying to you for the last few years...?



Eyes wide open,

Intrepid

Eric R Snow July 7th 04 03:03 PM

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On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 01:20:04 -0400, Jeff Wisnia
wrote:



Eric R Snow wrote:

snipped

For you to say that referring
to certain people as "colored" for example is my choice is to insult
them and to let us know that you do not consider them equals.
Eric R Snow


It's hard to consider the term "colored" as truly insulting until the
NAACP (The world's largest civil rights organization) decides to change
its name. They're still using the same one they picked for their
organization when it was formed in 1909.

However, I took a look at their website and you do have to search around
quite a bit to find places where they spell the organization's name out
in full, so perhap's they too hope that "colored" will fall out of
common usage.

http://www.naacp.org/

I dropped that term from my vocabulary about 15 years ago because my
middle son, embued with the youngish liberality a college student,
always asked me, "Dad what color *is* he?" whenever I used it. I got his
point....

Just my .02,

Jeff

Jeff, it's pretty obvious that the NAACP is kind of stuck with their
name because of their tradition. I think they should change it but
I'm not part of the organisation. But you know that using the term
"colored" is usually considered an insult. We are of course free to
call each other names and use terms others find offensive. It does not
mean we should and really lessens your own credibility. At least in my
eyes. But what do you care? You don't know me.Your use of the word
"colored" is sort of like the infamous "It depends what the definition
of is is" statement. Clinton knew he was just using semantics to get
around the truth, the country knew it, but I suppose he was
technically correct. At least in his mind. Being dishonest with
ourselves shows up pretty clearly. And the excuse that "they say it,
so why not me" is just an excuse that is used to avoid responsibility
for something that should not have been said.
Obviously, my .02,
Eric R Snow

Rex B July 7th 04 04:40 PM

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On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 01:20:04 -0400, Jeff Wisnia wrote:

||
||
||Eric R Snow wrote:
||
||snipped
||
||For you to say that referring
|| to certain people as "colored" for example is my choice is to insult
|| them and to let us know that you do not consider them equals.
|| Eric R Snow
||
||It's hard to consider the term "colored" as truly insulting until the
||NAACP (The world's largest civil rights organization) decides to change
||its name. They're still using the same one they picked for their
||organization when it was formed in 1909.
||
||However, I took a look at their website and you do have to search around
||quite a bit to find places where they spell the organization's name out
||in full, so perhap's they too hope that "colored" will fall out of
||common usage.
||
||http://www.naacp.org/
||
||I dropped that term from my vocabulary about 15 years ago because my
||middle son, embued with the youngish liberality a college student,
||always asked me, "Dad what color *is* he?" whenever I used it. I got his
||point....

OTOH, the term "people of color" is considered quite PC and used by people of
all colors to refer to ....well, you know....them.
Texas Parts Guy

Jeff Wisnia July 7th 04 04:49 PM

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Eric R Snow wrote:
On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 01:20:04 -0400, Jeff Wisnia
wrote:



Eric R Snow wrote:

snipped

For you to say that referring

to certain people as "colored" for example is my choice is to insult
them and to let us know that you do not consider them equals.
Eric R Snow


It's hard to consider the term "colored" as truly insulting until the
NAACP (The world's largest civil rights organization) decides to change
its name. They're still using the same one they picked for their
organization when it was formed in 1909.

However, I took a look at their website and you do have to search around
quite a bit to find places where they spell the organization's name out
in full, so perhap's they too hope that "colored" will fall out of
common usage.

http://www.naacp.org/

I dropped that term from my vocabulary about 15 years ago because my
middle son, embued with the youngish liberality a college student,
always asked me, "Dad what color *is* he?" whenever I used it. I got his
point....

Just my .02,

Jeff


Jeff, it's pretty obvious that the NAACP is kind of stuck with their
name because of their tradition. I think they should change it but
I'm not part of the organisation. But you know that using the term
"colored" is usually considered an insult. We are of course free to
call each other names and use terms others find offensive. It does not
mean we should and really lessens your own credibility. At least in my
eyes. But what do you care? You don't know me.Your use of the word
"colored" is sort of like the infamous "It depends what the definition
of is is" statement. Clinton knew he was just using semantics to get
around the truth, the country knew it, but I suppose he was
technically correct. At least in his mind. Being dishonest with
ourselves shows up pretty clearly. And the excuse that "they say it,
so why not me" is just an excuse that is used to avoid responsibility
for something that should not have been said.
Obviously, my .02,
Eric R Snow


Agreed, but it's hard for me not to see some sillyness in this whole "A
rose by any other name" thing...

And, since I'm a practicing Jew, I relish the times somebody asks me how
I made out in some negotiation, so I can reply with, "Hey, I Christianed
him up to nearly twice what I expected to get!" G

Peace,

Jeff

--
Jeff Wisnia (W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)

"My luck is so bad that if I bought a cemetery, people would stop dying."


Robin S. July 7th 04 10:15 PM

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"Intrepid" wrote in message
...

Well, at least we have most of the oil rigs...

metal content


You want metal content? Come to Ontario...



It will be very interesting to see how long ontario lasts when Quebec
separates, and we in the west form our own, truly democratic, country.


Yes, that's certainly in the near future now...


Yes, I am a Harper supporter. As far as I am concerned, he is the only
hope for this country. Not Martin and his band of thieves...


I didn't say Martin was a good choice. I certainly don't think Harper is any
type of choice.


Adscam, the gun registry more metal content that does absolutely no
good, Martin's own off-shore shipping business, healthcare, our sadly
abused military, the list goes on, and on...


Talk to Americans in this and other groups who either don't have health
insurance or who have to pay exceptionally high rates to get it. Only
liberty and justice for all - not doctors!

I think we'd be marching into Iraq to fight for Bush's oil if Harper had won
a majority. That's an excellent use of my highschool friends' lives..! (It's
THEIR debacle. Let THEM deal with it.)

You're exactly right about the gun registry and the sponsorship scandal,
however.


You have obviously fallen victim to the Fiberals fear and smear
campaign, with regards to Harper. Has it ever occured to you that
the Fiberals have been lying to you for the last few years...?


I think this minority government is the best thing that could have happened.
You're right that the Liberals are liers but Harper scares a lot of people.
I know many gay people and I don't appriciate Harper's view on their
lifestyle (as if they have a choice). His view of Asian imagrants is also
impressive.

I think had he won a minority government, we would have had another election
before our southern friends. Harper has a proven track record of no
comprimise. Do you remember Ontario's Mike Harris?

Regards,

Robin



Larry Jaques July 8th 04 03:09 AM

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On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 17:15:00 -0400, "Robin S."
calmly ranted:


"Intrepid" wrote in message
.. .

Well, at least we have most of the oil rigs...

metal content


You want metal content? Come to Ontario...


Happy belated Canada Day. To celebrate, read this:
(from a friend)

--snip--
Now that Vancouver has won the chance to host the 2010 "Winter
Olympics", the following are some questions people the world over are
asking (questions allegedly posted on an International Tourism
Website).

Q: I have never seen it warm on Canadian TV, so how do the plants
grow?
(UK)
A: We import all plants fully grown and then just sit around and watch
them die.

Q: Will I be able to see Polar Bears in the street? (USA)
A: Depends how much you've been drinking.

Q: I want to walk from Vancouver to Toronto - can I follow the
railroad tracks? (Sweden)
A: Sure, it's only four thousand miles, take lots of water.

Q: Is it safe to run around in the bushes in Canada? (Sweden)
A: So it's true what they say about Swedes.

Q: It is imperative that I find the names and addresses of places to
contact for a stuffed Beaver. (Italy)
A: Let's not touch this one.

Q: Are there any ATMs (cash machines) in Canada? Can you send me a
list of them in Toronto, Vancouver, Edmonton and Halifax? (UK)
A: What did your last slave die of?

Q: Can you give me some information about hippo racing in Canada?
(USA)
A: A-fri-ca is the big triangle shaped continent south of Europe.
Ca-na-da is that big country to your North . . . oh forget it. Sure,
the hippo racing is every Tuesday night in Calgary. Come naked.

Q: Which direction is North in Canada? (USA)
A: Face south and then turn 180 degrees. Contact us when you get there
and we'll send the rest of the directions.

Q: Can I bring cutlery into Canada? (UK)
A: Why? Just use your fingers like we do.

Q: Can you send me the Vienna Boys' Choir schedule? (USA)
A: Aus-tri-a is that quaint little country bordering Ger-man-y, which
is...oh forget it. Sure, the Vienna Boys Choir! plays every Tuesday
night in Vancouver and in Calgary, straight after the hippo races.
Come naked.

Q: Do you have perfume in Canada? (Germany)
A: No, WE don't stink.

Q: I have developed a new product that is the fountain of youth. Can
you tell me where I can sell it in Canada? (USA)
A: Anywhere significant numbers of Americans gather.

Q: Can you tell me the regions in British Columbia where the female
population is smaller than the male population? (Italy) A: Yes, gay
nightclubs.

Q: Do you celebrate Thanksgiving in Canada? (USA)
A: Only at Thanksgiving.

Q: Are there supermarkets in Toronto and is milk available all year
round? (Germany)
A: No, we are a peaceful civilization of Vegan hunter/gatherers. Milk
is illegal.

Q: I have a question about a famous animal in Canada, but I forget
its name. It's a kind of big horse with horns. (USA)
A: It's called a Moose. They are tall and very violent, eating the
brains of anyone walking close to them. You ! can scare them off by
spraying yourself with human urine before you go out walking.

Q: I was in Canada in 1969 on R+R, and I want to contact the girl I
dated while I was staying in Surrey, BC. Can you help? (USA)
A: Yes, and you will still have to pay her by the hour.

Q: Will I be able to speak English most places I go? (USA)
A: Yes, but you will have to learn it first.
--snip--


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Cliff Huprich July 11th 04 01:08 AM

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Gunner wrote in message . ..
On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 22:45:46 +0800, hamei wrote:

Guido wrote:


Correct! If George III had given the colonists a couple of seats in
parliament Gunner would be singing "God Save the Queen".


Sometimes I have a sneaking suspicion that Gunner IS a
queen ... on weekends, at the least.


Chuckle..only the girls know for sure. On the other hand..Ive never
found it necessary to pay for them.


So much for another winger on marriage & "family values".
--
Cliff

Jonathan Hendry July 11th 04 01:39 AM

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On 2004-07-06 14:29:23 -0400, Clark Magnuson said:

[Kerry] earned a lifetime rating of 0% from the National Rifle Association



That is the kiss of death for me.


He's probably a better marksman than Bush, though.

(Yes, he does shoot.)


Gunner July 11th 04 05:08 AM

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On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 00:39:16 GMT, Jonathan Hendry
wrote:

On 2004-07-06 14:29:23 -0400, Clark Magnuson said:

[Kerry] earned a lifetime rating of 0% from the National Rifle Association



That is the kiss of death for me.


He's probably a better marksman than Bush, though.



(Yes, he does shoot.)


So he claims.

Do you know wether or not Bush shoots? And how well?

Gunner

That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's
cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays
there.
- George Orwell

Dale Scroggins July 11th 04 08:36 AM

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Gunner wrote:
On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 00:39:16 GMT, Jonathan Hendry
wrote:


On 2004-07-06 14:29:23 -0400, Clark Magnuson said:


[Kerry] earned a lifetime rating of 0% from the National Rifle Association


That is the kiss of death for me.


He's probably a better marksman than Bush, though.



(Yes, he does shoot.)



So he claims.


17 of 25, with a borrowed gun.
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0704kerry04.html
Dunno about his skill with a rifle. But if he wants to claim that he is
a decent wing shot, I'll buy that. Especially given the circumstances.


Do you know wether or not Bush shoots? And how well?


Well, can't find the direct quote now, but seem to remember him saying
some years back that, given a choice of blowing out an eardrum with a
rifle blast, fleeing to Canada, or joining the Texas Air National Guard,
he chose to join the Guard. So he must, at one time, had access to a
rifle. I haven't seen any references to his personal use of firearms,
other than that one.

Dale Scroggins

Gunner July 11th 04 07:32 PM

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On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 07:36:58 GMT, Dale Scroggins
wrote:

Gunner wrote:
On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 00:39:16 GMT, Jonathan Hendry
wrote:


On 2004-07-06 14:29:23 -0400, Clark Magnuson said:


[Kerry] earned a lifetime rating of 0% from the National Rifle Association


That is the kiss of death for me.

He's probably a better marksman than Bush, though.



(Yes, he does shoot.)



So he claims.


17 of 25, with a borrowed gun.
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0704kerry04.html
Dunno about his skill with a rifle. But if he wants to claim that he is
a decent wing shot, I'll buy that. Especially given the circumstances.

While I dont agree with the often times concilliatory compromises the
NRA offers up to the antis...from the same article...

"The National Rifle Association has given Kerry an "F" rating, which
the Bush campaign has been citing this week as one of the "Top 10
Reasons Why John Kerry Is Wrong for Rural America.""



Do you know wether or not Bush shoots? And how well?


Well, can't find the direct quote now, but seem to remember him saying
some years back that, given a choice of blowing out an eardrum with a
rifle blast, fleeing to Canada, or joining the Texas Air National Guard,
he chose to join the Guard. So he must, at one time, had access to a
rifle. I haven't seen any references to his personal use of firearms,
other than that one.

Dale Scroggins


Rifle blast or jet blast..decisions decisions...

Given Bush's pro Second Ammendment stance...and pro individual Rights
stance, I dont care if he can do a mediocre 17/25 or not.

http://www.nraila.org/Issues/Articles/Read.aspx?ID=132


http://www.geocities.com/vasportsmen...erryonrkba.htm

When it comes to the right to keep and bear arms, there seems to be at
least two John Kerry’s - the one that talks and the one that walks.

Like most anti-gun politicians across the nation, Democrat
Presidential Candidate John Kerry is shelving his anti-gun rhetoric
and suddenly claiming he supports the Second Amendment and believes
hunting is the greatest of American pastimes. It's a politically
calculated effort to mislead gun owners, lull us into complacency and
dilute the sportsmen vote. Here is a question gun owners should ask
John Kerry - Why should the millions of NRA members in America vote
for you when you have said, "I don't want to be the candidate of NRA
in this country?"

Democrat John Kerry found his new appreciation for the Second
Amendment because, "Democrats remember the Million Mom March hurt them
at the ballot box. The last thing many of them want is another
hootenanny regarding guns..."(The Richmond Times Dispatch, 6/5/03)
Here are the facts.


Kerry voted for the Kennedy ammunition ban amendment which, if
enacted, would have banned many hunting rounds including the popular
Winchester .30-.30. (3/2/04, S.AMDT.2619 to S.1805, Vote 28)

"His act isn't likely to win many converts in the South, for example,
and his decision to fly back to Washington to slap gun owners last
week will be remembered in what have come to be known as the "red"
states more than his participation in that pheasant hunt in Iowa a few
months ago."(3/9/04 The Hill)

"He (Kerry)...last week left the campaign trail for the Capitol to
cast a series of antigun votes."(3/8/04 Why Do Dems Lose in the South?
The Wall Street Journal)

"Kerry, Daschle, Feinstein and other Democrats, and their cheerleaders
in the press, think that by killing the gun lawsuit protection bill
after loading it with anti-gun amendments, they won something.
Perhaps, but in so doing, they sacrificed any credibility they may
have built with gun owners over the past couple of years."(3/5/04 The
Atlanta Journal - Constitution)

"[t]here is a gap between America's Field & Stream gun owners and the
NRA's Soldier of Fortune leaders..."(John Kerry on Floor of Senate
3/2/04 urging reenactment of the Clinton Gun Ban)

"Kerry's position on gun control is a lot like most of his positions —
he is and he isn't. He has called gun owners special interests in an
effort to taint the NRA with the same kind of malodorous quality
Democrats have cheerily ascribed to Halliburton."(03/04/04 The Seattle
Times - Gun-shy Democrats still can't shoot straight)

"Despite ridiculous rhetoric about being a supporter of the Second
Amendment, Kerry`s voting record shows that his perennial F-rating
from NRA`s Political Victory Fund is well deserved. The Massachusetts
Senator, who has been AWOL from Washington for months while he`s been
running for President, returned to Washington on Tuesday, and spoke in
favor of, and then voted for, the Feinstein (Clinton Gun Ban)
Amendment. Senator Kerry also voted for the McCain-Reed gun show
amendment. These were the first votes Kerry had cast this
year."(3/5/04 NRA-ILA Grassroots Alert)

"Kerry … supported the gun ban legislation. Feinstein revealed perhaps
more than she should have when she admitted, ‘We would have lost
without them (Kerry and Edwards). They were vital.’"(3/5/04 The
Atlanta Journal - Constitution)

"If we don't act today to continue the ban on these deadly weapons,
then our families in America, our police officers in America, are more
threatened than they ought to be," Mr. Kerry said in remarks shortly
before the vote.(3/02/04 New York Times report about Senate floor
debate on reenactment of the Clinton Gun Ban)

"Kerry has placed the gun issue ... firmly back into the presidential
debate" (3/3/04 Senate Leaders Scuttle Gun Bill Over Changes, New York
Times)

"I've fought the NRA from Day One..." Kerry told supporters in
McKinney's machinery shed. (11/01/2003 Kerry criticizes Dean's gun
views, The Des Moines Register)

Presumptive Democratic nominee John Kerry, he said, "is certainly no
friend of the Second Amendment."(04/06/2004 Wayne LaPierre quoted in
the Washington, PA Observer-Reporter article Pittsburgh to host NRA
convention )

" Voted with the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence and Handgun Control,
Inc. (now known as the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence) 100
percent of the time."(11/17/03 Votes and Quotes CNSNews.com Special
Feature )

"I rise to lend my support to… the organizers and marchers of the
Million Mom March and urge the juvenile justice conference to include
the Senate-passed gun control measures in its report…"( — Sen. John
Kerry, Congressional Record, May 17, 2000)

" John Kerry has earned an F rating from Gun Owners of America and the
NRA for his voting record." (11/17/03 Votes and Quotes CNSNews.com
Special Feature )

"I don't want to be the candidate of the NRA in this country. I don't
think the Democratic Party should be the candidacy of the NRA."
(11/4/03, Democratic Presidential Debate in Boston)

" Opposes the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (H.R. 1036 /
S. 659), which grants gun manufacturers, distributors and dealers
immunity from lawsuits. " (11/17/03, Votes and Quotes CNSNews.com
Special Feature )

Voted for a Senate Amendment expressing the sense of the Senate
supporting the Million Mom March. (5/17/00 S.AMDT. 3148 to S.2521,
Vote 104)

" Voted in favor of a five-day waiting period on handgun purchases
(H.R. 1025 / S. 414) in 1993. " (11/17/03, Votes and Quotes
CNSNews.com Special Feature)

" We cannot afford to be a party that reads the wrong lessons from the
last elections. Shame on us if we believe that we have to retreat from
our principles and suddenly that something like gun safety is not
important in America. I come here to tell you, we can't go out and win
elections by throwing out our principles. I won't do it. " (10/4/2003,
Democratic National Committee Fall Meeting)

John Kerry supports legislation to end gun shows as we know them.
(12/5/2003, CNS News)

" The John Kerry website says the candidate opposes the NRA's
'divisive agenda'. " (12/5/2003, CNS News )


Gunner

"The Second Amendment is not about killing little ducks and leaving
Huey, Dewey and Louie without an Aunt and Uncle. It is about hunting
politicians" -- former US Rep. Bob Dornan

charles July 19th 04 05:01 PM

OT-Kerry Resume
 
*Yawn* Poor lil wingies. The constant effort to keep up the doublethink must
be tiring.

George W Bush and John Kerry have EXACTLY the same position on the AWB.






"Gunner" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 07:36:58 GMT, Dale Scroggins
wrote:

Gunner wrote:
On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 00:39:16 GMT, Jonathan Hendry
wrote:


On 2004-07-06 14:29:23 -0400, Clark Magnuson

said:


[Kerry] earned a lifetime rating of 0% from the National Rifle

Association


That is the kiss of death for me.

He's probably a better marksman than Bush, though.


(Yes, he does shoot.)


So he claims.


17 of 25, with a borrowed gun.
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0704kerry04.html
Dunno about his skill with a rifle. But if he wants to claim that he is
a decent wing shot, I'll buy that. Especially given the circumstances.

While I dont agree with the often times concilliatory compromises the
NRA offers up to the antis...from the same article...

"The National Rifle Association has given Kerry an "F" rating, which
the Bush campaign has been citing this week as one of the "Top 10
Reasons Why John Kerry Is Wrong for Rural America.""



Do you know wether or not Bush shoots? And how well?


Well, can't find the direct quote now, but seem to remember him saying
some years back that, given a choice of blowing out an eardrum with a
rifle blast, fleeing to Canada, or joining the Texas Air National Guard,
he chose to join the Guard. So he must, at one time, had access to a
rifle. I haven't seen any references to his personal use of firearms,
other than that one.

Dale Scroggins


Rifle blast or jet blast..decisions decisions...

Given Bush's pro Second Ammendment stance...and pro individual Rights
stance, I dont care if he can do a mediocre 17/25 or not.

http://www.nraila.org/Issues/Articles/Read.aspx?ID=132


http://www.geocities.com/vasportsmen...erryonrkba.htm

When it comes to the right to keep and bear arms, there seems to be at
least two John Kerry's - the one that talks and the one that walks.

Like most anti-gun politicians across the nation, Democrat
Presidential Candidate John Kerry is shelving his anti-gun rhetoric
and suddenly claiming he supports the Second Amendment and believes
hunting is the greatest of American pastimes. It's a politically
calculated effort to mislead gun owners, lull us into complacency and
dilute the sportsmen vote. Here is a question gun owners should ask
John Kerry - Why should the millions of NRA members in America vote
for you when you have said, "I don't want to be the candidate of NRA
in this country?"

Democrat John Kerry found his new appreciation for the Second
Amendment because, "Democrats remember the Million Mom March hurt them
at the ballot box. The last thing many of them want is another
hootenanny regarding guns..."(The Richmond Times Dispatch, 6/5/03)
Here are the facts.


Kerry voted for the Kennedy ammunition ban amendment which, if
enacted, would have banned many hunting rounds including the popular
Winchester .30-.30. (3/2/04, S.AMDT.2619 to S.1805, Vote 28)

"His act isn't likely to win many converts in the South, for example,
and his decision to fly back to Washington to slap gun owners last
week will be remembered in what have come to be known as the "red"
states more than his participation in that pheasant hunt in Iowa a few
months ago."(3/9/04 The Hill)

"He (Kerry)...last week left the campaign trail for the Capitol to
cast a series of antigun votes."(3/8/04 Why Do Dems Lose in the South?
The Wall Street Journal)

"Kerry, Daschle, Feinstein and other Democrats, and their cheerleaders
in the press, think that by killing the gun lawsuit protection bill
after loading it with anti-gun amendments, they won something.
Perhaps, but in so doing, they sacrificed any credibility they may
have built with gun owners over the past couple of years."(3/5/04 The
Atlanta Journal - Constitution)

"[t]here is a gap between America's Field & Stream gun owners and the
NRA's Soldier of Fortune leaders..."(John Kerry on Floor of Senate
3/2/04 urging reenactment of the Clinton Gun Ban)

"Kerry's position on gun control is a lot like most of his positions -
he is and he isn't. He has called gun owners special interests in an
effort to taint the NRA with the same kind of malodorous quality
Democrats have cheerily ascribed to Halliburton."(03/04/04 The Seattle
Times - Gun-shy Democrats still can't shoot straight)

"Despite ridiculous rhetoric about being a supporter of the Second
Amendment, Kerry`s voting record shows that his perennial F-rating
from NRA`s Political Victory Fund is well deserved. The Massachusetts
Senator, who has been AWOL from Washington for months while he`s been
running for President, returned to Washington on Tuesday, and spoke in
favor of, and then voted for, the Feinstein (Clinton Gun Ban)
Amendment. Senator Kerry also voted for the McCain-Reed gun show
amendment. These were the first votes Kerry had cast this
year."(3/5/04 NRA-ILA Grassroots Alert)

"Kerry . supported the gun ban legislation. Feinstein revealed perhaps
more than she should have when she admitted, 'We would have lost
without them (Kerry and Edwards). They were vital.'"(3/5/04 The
Atlanta Journal - Constitution)

"If we don't act today to continue the ban on these deadly weapons,
then our families in America, our police officers in America, are more
threatened than they ought to be," Mr. Kerry said in remarks shortly
before the vote.(3/02/04 New York Times report about Senate floor
debate on reenactment of the Clinton Gun Ban)

"Kerry has placed the gun issue ... firmly back into the presidential
debate" (3/3/04 Senate Leaders Scuttle Gun Bill Over Changes, New York
Times)

"I've fought the NRA from Day One..." Kerry told supporters in
McKinney's machinery shed. (11/01/2003 Kerry criticizes Dean's gun
views, The Des Moines Register)

Presumptive Democratic nominee John Kerry, he said, "is certainly no
friend of the Second Amendment."(04/06/2004 Wayne LaPierre quoted in
the Washington, PA Observer-Reporter article Pittsburgh to host NRA
convention )

" Voted with the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence and Handgun Control,
Inc. (now known as the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence) 100
percent of the time."(11/17/03 Votes and Quotes CNSNews.com Special
Feature )

"I rise to lend my support to. the organizers and marchers of the
Million Mom March and urge the juvenile justice conference to include
the Senate-passed gun control measures in its report."( - Sen. John
Kerry, Congressional Record, May 17, 2000)

" John Kerry has earned an F rating from Gun Owners of America and the
NRA for his voting record." (11/17/03 Votes and Quotes CNSNews.com
Special Feature )

"I don't want to be the candidate of the NRA in this country. I don't
think the Democratic Party should be the candidacy of the NRA."
(11/4/03, Democratic Presidential Debate in Boston)

" Opposes the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (H.R. 1036 /
S. 659), which grants gun manufacturers, distributors and dealers
immunity from lawsuits. " (11/17/03, Votes and Quotes CNSNews.com
Special Feature )

Voted for a Senate Amendment expressing the sense of the Senate
supporting the Million Mom March. (5/17/00 S.AMDT. 3148 to S.2521,
Vote 104)

" Voted in favor of a five-day waiting period on handgun purchases
(H.R. 1025 / S. 414) in 1993. " (11/17/03, Votes and Quotes
CNSNews.com Special Feature)

" We cannot afford to be a party that reads the wrong lessons from the
last elections. Shame on us if we believe that we have to retreat from
our principles and suddenly that something like gun safety is not
important in America. I come here to tell you, we can't go out and win
elections by throwing out our principles. I won't do it. " (10/4/2003,
Democratic National Committee Fall Meeting)

John Kerry supports legislation to end gun shows as we know them.
(12/5/2003, CNS News)

" The John Kerry website says the candidate opposes the NRA's
'divisive agenda'. " (12/5/2003, CNS News )


Gunner

"The Second Amendment is not about killing little ducks and leaving
Huey, Dewey and Louie without an Aunt and Uncle. It is about hunting
politicians" -- former US Rep. Bob Dornan




Gunner July 20th 04 12:56 AM

OT-Kerry Resume
 
On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 16:01:23 GMT, "charles"
wrote:

*Yawn* Poor lil wingies. The constant effort to keep up the doublethink must
be tiring.

George W Bush and John Kerry have EXACTLY the same position on the AWB.


Really? Kerry is activly campaigning for it. Bush said if it makes it
to his desk, he would sign it. This is the same Bush who's
administration declared the Second Am an "individual right" btw.

Same position? Interesting. What long term prognosis did the doctors
give you about recovering from that unfortunate head injury?

Gunner





"Gunner" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 07:36:58 GMT, Dale Scroggins
wrote:

Gunner wrote:
On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 00:39:16 GMT, Jonathan Hendry
wrote:


On 2004-07-06 14:29:23 -0400, Clark Magnuson

said:


[Kerry] earned a lifetime rating of 0% from the National Rifle

Association


That is the kiss of death for me.

He's probably a better marksman than Bush, though.


(Yes, he does shoot.)


So he claims.

17 of 25, with a borrowed gun.
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0704kerry04.html
Dunno about his skill with a rifle. But if he wants to claim that he is
a decent wing shot, I'll buy that. Especially given the circumstances.

While I dont agree with the often times concilliatory compromises the
NRA offers up to the antis...from the same article...

"The National Rifle Association has given Kerry an "F" rating, which
the Bush campaign has been citing this week as one of the "Top 10
Reasons Why John Kerry Is Wrong for Rural America.""



Do you know wether or not Bush shoots? And how well?

Well, can't find the direct quote now, but seem to remember him saying
some years back that, given a choice of blowing out an eardrum with a
rifle blast, fleeing to Canada, or joining the Texas Air National Guard,
he chose to join the Guard. So he must, at one time, had access to a
rifle. I haven't seen any references to his personal use of firearms,
other than that one.

Dale Scroggins


Rifle blast or jet blast..decisions decisions...

Given Bush's pro Second Ammendment stance...and pro individual Rights
stance, I dont care if he can do a mediocre 17/25 or not.

http://www.nraila.org/Issues/Articles/Read.aspx?ID=132


http://www.geocities.com/vasportsmen...erryonrkba.htm

When it comes to the right to keep and bear arms, there seems to be at
least two John Kerry's - the one that talks and the one that walks.

Like most anti-gun politicians across the nation, Democrat
Presidential Candidate John Kerry is shelving his anti-gun rhetoric
and suddenly claiming he supports the Second Amendment and believes
hunting is the greatest of American pastimes. It's a politically
calculated effort to mislead gun owners, lull us into complacency and
dilute the sportsmen vote. Here is a question gun owners should ask
John Kerry - Why should the millions of NRA members in America vote
for you when you have said, "I don't want to be the candidate of NRA
in this country?"

Democrat John Kerry found his new appreciation for the Second
Amendment because, "Democrats remember the Million Mom March hurt them
at the ballot box. The last thing many of them want is another
hootenanny regarding guns..."(The Richmond Times Dispatch, 6/5/03)
Here are the facts.


Kerry voted for the Kennedy ammunition ban amendment which, if
enacted, would have banned many hunting rounds including the popular
Winchester .30-.30. (3/2/04, S.AMDT.2619 to S.1805, Vote 28)

"His act isn't likely to win many converts in the South, for example,
and his decision to fly back to Washington to slap gun owners last
week will be remembered in what have come to be known as the "red"
states more than his participation in that pheasant hunt in Iowa a few
months ago."(3/9/04 The Hill)

"He (Kerry)...last week left the campaign trail for the Capitol to
cast a series of antigun votes."(3/8/04 Why Do Dems Lose in the South?
The Wall Street Journal)

"Kerry, Daschle, Feinstein and other Democrats, and their cheerleaders
in the press, think that by killing the gun lawsuit protection bill
after loading it with anti-gun amendments, they won something.
Perhaps, but in so doing, they sacrificed any credibility they may
have built with gun owners over the past couple of years."(3/5/04 The
Atlanta Journal - Constitution)

"[t]here is a gap between America's Field & Stream gun owners and the
NRA's Soldier of Fortune leaders..."(John Kerry on Floor of Senate
3/2/04 urging reenactment of the Clinton Gun Ban)

"Kerry's position on gun control is a lot like most of his positions -
he is and he isn't. He has called gun owners special interests in an
effort to taint the NRA with the same kind of malodorous quality
Democrats have cheerily ascribed to Halliburton."(03/04/04 The Seattle
Times - Gun-shy Democrats still can't shoot straight)

"Despite ridiculous rhetoric about being a supporter of the Second
Amendment, Kerry`s voting record shows that his perennial F-rating
from NRA`s Political Victory Fund is well deserved. The Massachusetts
Senator, who has been AWOL from Washington for months while he`s been
running for President, returned to Washington on Tuesday, and spoke in
favor of, and then voted for, the Feinstein (Clinton Gun Ban)
Amendment. Senator Kerry also voted for the McCain-Reed gun show
amendment. These were the first votes Kerry had cast this
year."(3/5/04 NRA-ILA Grassroots Alert)

"Kerry . supported the gun ban legislation. Feinstein revealed perhaps
more than she should have when she admitted, 'We would have lost
without them (Kerry and Edwards). They were vital.'"(3/5/04 The
Atlanta Journal - Constitution)

"If we don't act today to continue the ban on these deadly weapons,
then our families in America, our police officers in America, are more
threatened than they ought to be," Mr. Kerry said in remarks shortly
before the vote.(3/02/04 New York Times report about Senate floor
debate on reenactment of the Clinton Gun Ban)

"Kerry has placed the gun issue ... firmly back into the presidential
debate" (3/3/04 Senate Leaders Scuttle Gun Bill Over Changes, New York
Times)

"I've fought the NRA from Day One..." Kerry told supporters in
McKinney's machinery shed. (11/01/2003 Kerry criticizes Dean's gun
views, The Des Moines Register)

Presumptive Democratic nominee John Kerry, he said, "is certainly no
friend of the Second Amendment."(04/06/2004 Wayne LaPierre quoted in
the Washington, PA Observer-Reporter article Pittsburgh to host NRA
convention )

" Voted with the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence and Handgun Control,
Inc. (now known as the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence) 100
percent of the time."(11/17/03 Votes and Quotes CNSNews.com Special
Feature )

"I rise to lend my support to. the organizers and marchers of the
Million Mom March and urge the juvenile justice conference to include
the Senate-passed gun control measures in its report."( - Sen. John
Kerry, Congressional Record, May 17, 2000)

" John Kerry has earned an F rating from Gun Owners of America and the
NRA for his voting record." (11/17/03 Votes and Quotes CNSNews.com
Special Feature )

"I don't want to be the candidate of the NRA in this country. I don't
think the Democratic Party should be the candidacy of the NRA."
(11/4/03, Democratic Presidential Debate in Boston)

" Opposes the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (H.R. 1036 /
S. 659), which grants gun manufacturers, distributors and dealers
immunity from lawsuits. " (11/17/03, Votes and Quotes CNSNews.com
Special Feature )

Voted for a Senate Amendment expressing the sense of the Senate
supporting the Million Mom March. (5/17/00 S.AMDT. 3148 to S.2521,
Vote 104)

" Voted in favor of a five-day waiting period on handgun purchases
(H.R. 1025 / S. 414) in 1993. " (11/17/03, Votes and Quotes
CNSNews.com Special Feature)

" We cannot afford to be a party that reads the wrong lessons from the
last elections. Shame on us if we believe that we have to retreat from
our principles and suddenly that something like gun safety is not
important in America. I come here to tell you, we can't go out and win
elections by throwing out our principles. I won't do it. " (10/4/2003,
Democratic National Committee Fall Meeting)

John Kerry supports legislation to end gun shows as we know them.
(12/5/2003, CNS News)

" The John Kerry website says the candidate opposes the NRA's
'divisive agenda'. " (12/5/2003, CNS News )


Gunner

"The Second Amendment is not about killing little ducks and leaving
Huey, Dewey and Louie without an Aunt and Uncle. It is about hunting
politicians" -- former US Rep. Bob Dornan



That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's
cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays
there.
- George Orwell


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