On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 19:33:22 -0700, Tim May
wrote:

In article , Gunner
wrote:

On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 17:34:41 -0700, Tim May
wrote:

Since some folks here don't seem proficient in using the archives of
past articles, here's the story of Gunner's life choices, in his own
words. (A bunch of other articles from him at or about this time, and
in the following months, elaborated on the details. Use Google Groups
in the obvious way to find them.)

(pardon the formatting...)

Seems that you have quite the bee under your bonnet.
I guess your life is empty and you needed a hobby.

I know I just found another one.

Keep making these kinds of threats.

(Yes, I removed you from my killfiles. My attorney advised me to keep
all of your posts in a folder and to print them out at intervals. She
said your profile pretty much matches someone about to "go postal.")

As for your last comment, about the jobs created during the Bush Admin
partly making up for all of the jobs lost during the "last
administration," you are quite wrong about this.

While I don't credit Clinton with _creating_ the booming economy during
the '93-'00 period, neither do I credit him with any lost jobs. More
jobs, overall, were created during this economic boom than were lost.
Since the tech bust in '00, which I also don't blame Bush for, the
number of jobs created certainly has not been impressive, espeically
for their skill and pay levels.

As someone said, a lot of those jobs are greeters at Wal-Mart sorts of
jobs.

What's coming is going to make the tech bust look like a picnic. I was
talking to an Indian designer yesterday who is involved with some of
the new ultra-VLSI designs in Hyderabad. Impressive, for those who can
exploit the programming challenges. But very bad news for anyone not at
the cutting edge.

And so it goes.


--Tim May


Tim... living in Santa Cruz County... I think as we have lost many
good jobs and companies over the years... so is the country going to
see the same thing... Look at the increase of houses and apartments
that are empty for months and not rented out.. and not summer
rentals.... for the last ten years.. you never saw a rental sign..
only people moving in and out... a line at the door for to rent your
place... last year Santa Cruz had a decline in population... as the
older wealthy purchase home... their is a greater decline in the kid
population..so we close schools... 911 accelerated the move
overseas..... the increased debts of the state of CA... are going to
encourage more individuals and businesses to leave... only one place
to get a good job or money to build a business... and that is from
rich people.. and if they are forced or encouraged to exit CA.. we
will continue a downward spiral... with nothing but jobs at O'neil's,
coffee shops, and little mom and pops businesses ....

Later,
Mike


"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not
either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union
without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by
freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by
freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do
about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps
to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not
believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I
shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more
whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause." -- Abe
Lincoln

"Winston mith" wrote in message
news
On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 07:06:16 GMT, Gunner
wrote:

For those of you who emailed or wished me well, many many many thanks.
Im very touched by the concern of everyone. Its good to know Im
either well liked, or for those who dont, they didnt want a thread
opponent to disappear G

I've been off line for a week so I heard about your adventure and your
return in the same sitting. Welcome back. All speed in your
recuperation. Of the several people that I've known that went though
this, most thought they were better than new, so let's hope.


Prior to my heart surgery, three doctors said, "You are going to be amazed
at how much better you feel." I had been ill for seven years, and it was
progressive, meaning that feeling bad was a gradual thing.

Then I had an 8 hour surgery, followed by a week in the hospital.

Six weeks after getting home, I was walking around at 9300' elevation near
Panguitch, Utah.

I was really amazed at how much better I felt.

I think Gunner will feel a lot better, too. Hope so.

Steve

In article , Santa Cruz
Mike wrote:


Tim... living in Santa Cruz County... I think as we have lost many
good jobs and companies over the years... so is the country going to
see the same thing... Look at the increase of houses and apartments
that are empty for months and not rented out.. and not summer
rentals.... for the last ten years.. you never saw a rental sign..
only people moving in and out... a line at the door for to rent your
place... last year Santa Cruz had a decline in population... as the
older wealthy purchase home... their is a greater decline in the kid
population..so we close schools... 911 accelerated the move
overseas..... the increased debts of the state of CA... are going to
encourage more individuals and businesses to leave... only one place
to get a good job or money to build a business... and that is from
rich people.. and if they are forced or encouraged to exit CA.. we
will continue a downward spiral... with nothing but jobs at O'neil's,
coffee shops, and little mom and pops businesses ....

Well, I have lived in Santa Cruz County continuously since 1986, and
first lived here beginning in 1982, and first started visiting in 1973.

Believe me, the kinds of jobs in Santa Cruz for most of the past 30
years (and longer, other people and the records tell me) have not been
impressive: working at surfboard shops, selling taffy at the Boardwalk
during the summer, and working at the hundreds of restaurants, bars,
motels, and other places catering to a commuting and tourist
population.

Beginning around when I first moved here in 1982, significant high tech
moved in, mainly companies like Seagate, Sirius (a PC maker),
Watkins-Johnson, Ferranti, E-Mu, Santa Cruz Operation, and so on.

Yes, most of these companies evaporated. Same as the "Space Available"
buildings over in Silicon Valley. I won't even try to list the names of
the companies which evaporated.

You are right about the increased debts and taxes in California...my
old company Intel (which I worked for beginning in 1974) has said it
will do no expansion whatsoever in the State of California. This
because of high taxes, worker's comp insurance rates, and a growing
"entitlement" concept.

(Which is why I am giving Gunner such a hard time--it's hard seeing
someone who has ranted for so long about socialism suddenly, and
opportunistically, embrace it. Embracing protectionism (by nattering
about how "Clinton exported the jobs") is part of this collectivist,
entitlement, democratic mindset.)

The best jobs are always at the cutting edge. The companies in Santa
Cruz, or in Riverside, or in Santa Clara, or in San Diego which
evaporated were mostly companies no longer on the cutting edge. Seagate
the disk drive maker, E-Mu the electronic keyboard maker, SCO the weird
amalgam of Unix and Microsoft, and so on.

We are headed toward a dramatically changed world.


--Tim May

Pardon me, sir, but you seem to have us confused with someone who cares.
Metalworking content??????
Respectfully,
Ron Moore

Tim May wrote:
HUMONGOUS SNIP

It being a dull day, I decide to respond to what Gunner
fosted Sun, 20 Jun 2004 19:27:37 GMT on
rec.crafts.metalworking , viz:

(Aunt) Kevin Gallimore


Fanta is in the jetwash of my past.

Anyone here remember Fanta? Served at 110F and 110% humitity?

I don't remember those ..ah.. serving conditions, but "Fanta Naranja"
is one of those instant trips down memory lane.

probably one more reason i don't drink it like I did.

Blech...I even prefered Koolaid....least out of a canteen, it would
cover the taste of the water purifyer.

"Reminds me of a story ..." We were in Egypt when we ran out of sugar
for the Koolaid. But still drank it as we needed something to cover the
water purifying chemicals. When we got to Crete, we bought sugar, but
discovered the Kool Aid "tasted funny"(way too sweet) when we put the
"proper" amount of sugar in it. CUt the sugar in half and it was drinkable
again.


pyotr

--
pyotr filipivich
"With Age comes Wisdom. Although more often, Age travels alone."

On 21 Jun 2004 10:27:06 -0700, jim rozen
wrote:

In article , Spehro Pefhany says...

Think how lucky we are to have been born in the richest part of the
world and not to be the 15th son of some mud farmer in Bangladesh-
virtually a sentence to a short nasty lifetime of back-breaking labor.

Just imagine what a person could do, if his father happened
to have been *president* of the united states.

Jim


Or his uncle being the head of the Arkansas Mafia

Gunner

That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's
cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays
there.
- George Orwell

Gunner wrote:

On 20 Jun 2004 16:18:11 -0700, jim rozen
wrote:


In article , Gunner says...


When doing this, is the shooter allowed to start running away from
the knife-wielder while drawing his weapon?

GOOD MAN!... Thats the key...run backwards just as fast as you can
and keep removing your weapon from the holster. Most Tueller drill
participants at first simply stand there like a stone.

I dunno, if somebody was chasing me with a knife I might just
keep right on running as long as there was some runway.

Jim


A loud scream, a wave of a knife..and you may find yourself rooted to
the ground. It often happens that way, particularly with those who
are more "civilized" than others. Most folks simply dont go into
fight or flight mode..but stand there incredulous and the mental gear
change from "huh..what the ****??? to RUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" takes
precious time.

Gunner

That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's
cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays
there.
- George Orwell
Another point along that line is the 'tell me why first' generation.

I was taught to jump when told as my Dad grew up on a Farm with Horses
the size of Drafts - Morgans - and a step on a foot would be remembered forever.
A fall out of the hay loft or off the ladder in a....

Kids nowadays question to much beforehand.

Martin

--
Martin Eastburn, Barbara Eastburn
@ home at Lion's Lair with our computer
NRA LOH, NRA Life
NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder

On 21 Jun 2004 23:16:32 GMT, ojunk (Pep674) wrote:

than undergoing the other stuff..I
have quit 14 times before...sigh...

My father in law was a heavy smoker, until he quit smoking 20 years
ago. Never had a cigarette since.



Quit when I was in the Army. I had only been smoking (1-1/2 packs daily). I
qwanted to be on a rifle team. Practice days when I didn't smoke first my
scores would be 10-15 oiubts higher than days when I smoked. Very
Convincing......


Paul in AJ AZ

Indeed. I only dipped snuff and totally avoided caffeine. Kept my
heart beat nice and steady and predictable. Did the same when I was a
competitive shooter in later years.

Sigh..how far they fall...

Gunner

That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's
cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays
there.
- George Orwell

On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 19:33:22 -0700, Tim May
wrote:

In article , Gunner
wrote:

On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 17:34:41 -0700, Tim May
wrote:

Since some folks here don't seem proficient in using the archives of
past articles, here's the story of Gunner's life choices, in his own
words. (A bunch of other articles from him at or about this time, and
in the following months, elaborated on the details. Use Google Groups
in the obvious way to find them.)

(pardon the formatting...)

Seems that you have quite the bee under your bonnet.
I guess your life is empty and you needed a hobby.

I know I just found another one.

Keep making these kinds of threats.

Threats? Huh?????
Dont you want your very own Fan Club? Are you afraid of the paparazzi
with their telescopic lens watching your every move? While I know
you treasure your privacy, dont you want your name in the headlines,
even once? Your own personal 15 minutes of fame, as it were? Id have
thought that anyone with an ego as bloated as yours, would revel in
this. Im surprised you would consider this a threat of some sort.

(Yes, I removed you from my killfiles. My attorney advised me to keep
all of your posts in a folder and to print them out at intervals. She
said your profile pretty much matches someone about to "go postal.")

Seems like its about time to find another attorney. One with no more
than 3 neurons connected to the Greed lobe.

Tubby....going postal is very counter productive to certain tasks. It
precludes cold calculation and remorseless pursuit of the ultimate
goal, what ever it may be. Going postal is an emotional driven manic
stage that is completly anithema to logic, problem solving, long term
determination and goal orientation.

While "going postal" was a prerequistite for various Viking and
Scottish military operations..its not taught, nay..its vigoriously
taught against in the classrooms and pits at Harmony Church.

If any individual is capable of going postal, he/she will not pass a
MMPI/CPI or earlier equivelent pysch evaluation and will not get that
treasured B4 MOS.

So perhaps you are not spending your legal defense funds particularly
wisely. Just pondering..take it for what you paid for it.

As for your last comment, about the jobs created during the Bush Admin
partly making up for all of the jobs lost during the "last
administration," you are quite wrong about this.

While I don't credit Clinton with _creating_ the booming economy during
the '93-'00 period, neither do I credit him with any lost jobs. More
jobs, overall, were created during this economic boom than were lost.
Since the tech bust in '00, which I also don't blame Bush for, the
number of jobs created certainly has not been impressive, espeically
for their skill and pay levels.

As someone said, a lot of those jobs are greeters at Wal-Mart sorts of
jobs.

What's coming is going to make the tech bust look like a picnic. I was
talking to an Indian designer yesterday who is involved with some of
the new ultra-VLSI designs in Hyderabad. Impressive, for those who can
exploit the programming challenges. But very bad news for anyone not at
the cutting edge.


So, have any new patents ready yet? Do it soon or the boom may
overtake you and leave you laying in the dust.

And so it goes.
Indeed.


--Tim May


By the way..did you know that you can use street addresses to order
sat photos? I found that interesting as hell. Sterophotometry
microscopes are damned cheap from surplus places too. Fascinating.

And many take PayPal.

So long, for now.

Shiva, Founder of the Tim May Fan Club.


That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's
cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays
there.
- George Orwell

In article , Gunner
wrote:


By the way..did you know that you can use street addresses to order
sat photos? I found that interesting as hell. Sterophotometry
microscopes are damned cheap from surplus places too. Fascinating.

Keep adding to your case file.



And many take PayPal.

So long, for now.

Again, get near my property and I assume you are making good on one of
your threats.


You've really lost it. Had you spent one tenth the time you have spent
in the past 6 years actually working on your career, you might not now
be white trailer trash.

My hunch is your plan is to use your recent heart attack to "get on
disability." I'll be surprised if this doesn't come to pass.

You and your "ex-wife/wife/whatever" and her son by another man, and
that son's wife, and their kid, all living in unemployed bliss, are
exactly what you used to rant against.

Think about it.


--Tim May

On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 03:56:18 GMT, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

It being a dull day, I decide to respond to what Gunner
fosted Sun, 20 Jun 2004 19:27:37 GMT on
rec.crafts.metalworking , viz:

(Aunt) Kevin Gallimore


Fanta is in the jetwash of my past.

Anyone here remember Fanta? Served at 110F and 110% humitity?

I don't remember those ..ah.. serving conditions, but "Fanta Naranja"
is one of those instant trips down memory lane.

probably one more reason i don't drink it like I did.

Blech...I even prefered Koolaid....least out of a canteen, it would
cover the taste of the water purifyer.

"Reminds me of a story ..." We were in Egypt when we ran out of sugar
for the Koolaid. But still drank it as we needed something to cover the
water purifying chemicals. When we got to Crete, we bought sugar, but
discovered the Kool Aid "tasted funny"(way too sweet) when we put the
"proper" amount of sugar in it. CUt the sugar in half and it was drinkable
again.


pyotr

Goofy Grape was my favorite. I always thought that General Mills
(irrc) missed out on a good thing when they didnt talk procurement
into putting Koolaid into B1 packages. I had to get my girlfriend to
send it to me in care packages.

Gunner


That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's
cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays
there.
- George Orwell

"Tim May" wrote in message
...
In article , Gunner
wrote:


By the way..did you know that you can use street addresses to order
sat photos? I found that interesting as hell. Sterophotometry
microscopes are damned cheap from surplus places too. Fascinating.

Keep adding to your case file.



And many take PayPal.

So long, for now.

Again, get near my property and I assume you are making good on one of
your threats.


You've really lost it. Had you spent one tenth the time you have spent
in the past 6 years actually working on your career, you might not now
be white trailer trash.

My hunch is your plan is to use your recent heart attack to "get on
disability." I'll be surprised if this doesn't come to pass.

You and your "ex-wife/wife/whatever" and her son by another man, and
that son's wife, and their kid, all living in unemployed bliss, are
exactly what you used to rant against.

Think about it.


--Tim May

Hmmm.....
Sounds like turd world timmy is paranoid!


--
Ray Keller

http://personal.riverusers.com/~raykeller/


"You don't expect governments to obey the law because of some
higher moral development. You expect them to obey the law because
they know that if they don't, those who aren't shot will be hanged."
-Michael Shirley

Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other
terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American ...the
unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or
state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the
hands of the people.

-Tench Coxe, 20 Feb 1788

Gun Control: The theory that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and
strangled with her panty hose, is somehow morally superior to a
woman explaining to police how her attacker got that fatal bullet wound

I would prefer to live in a free society than
a drug free society - even if the latter could
actually be achieved.

Every man, woman, and responsible child has a natural,
fundamental, and inalienable human, individual, civil, and
Constitutional right (within the limits of the Non-Aggression
Principle) to obtain, own, and carry, openly or concealed, any
weapon -- handgun, shotgun, rifle, machinegun, anything
-- anytime, anywhere, without asking anyone's permission.
,
The Atlanta Declaration
-- L. Neil Smith
http://www.lneilsmith.com/

In truth, one who believes it wrong to arm himself against criminal
violence shows contempt of God's gift of life (or, in modern parlance,
does not properly value himself), does not live up to his responsibilities
to his family and community, and proclaims himself mentally and morally
deficient, because he does not trust himself to behave responsibly. In
truth, a state that deprives its law-abiding citizens of the means
to effectively defend themselves is not civilized but barbarous,
becoming an accomplice of murderers, rapists, and thugs and revealing
its totalitarian nature by its tacit admission that the disorganized,
random havoc created by criminals is far less a threat than are men and
women who believe themselves free and independent, and act accordingly.
- Jeffrey Snyder, "Nation of Cowards"

On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 23:26:23 -0700, Tim May
wrote:

In article , Gunner
wrote:


By the way..did you know that you can use street addresses to order
sat photos? I found that interesting as hell. Sterophotometry
microscopes are damned cheap from surplus places too. Fascinating.

Keep adding to your case file.

Didnt you find that fascinating? Military spin offs after the end of
the Cold War are finding all manner of useful functions. I thought a
HiTech GeewhizKid like yourself would be tickled. It has a high OH WOW
function.

Is there something about that, that you find disturbing? Whatever for?



And many take PayPal.

So long, for now.

Again, get near my property and I assume you are making good on one of
your threats.

Threats Tubby? Which ones were those? Its not like I " wished you
would go up the chimnies with all the ******s and kikes" (copyright
Tim May)

Does discussing Hi Tech threaten you somehow? Seek help Tubby..seek
help.

You've really lost it. Had you spent one tenth the time you have spent
in the past 6 years actually working on your career, you might not now
be white trailer trash.

My hunch is your plan is to use your recent heart attack to "get on
disability." I'll be surprised if this doesn't come to pass.

You and your "ex-wife/wife/whatever" and her son by another man, and
that son's wife, and their kid, all living in unemployed bliss, are
exactly what you used to rant against.

Think about it.

Perhaps you should ask your attorney about other methods of skinning
cats. And look up case law in California about Libel. As an
example, repeated comments about drug usage, particulary about a sick
woman unable to defend herself are considered Libel, best as I can
determine from case law. Particulary given its intent to harm, defame,
and cause hardship to both her charector and to those associated with
her.

But hey...google is ones friend as is the archive feature.

You might find this of some help as well...
http://www.ldrc.com/LDRC_Info/libelfaqs.html

Having friends in low places can be interesting, particularly when
they have multiple neurons connected to the Greed lobe, a defendant
whom is self described as quite wealthy, and are willing to work on a
75/25% split of judgement..the 75% going to the individual with the JD
after his name.

Chuckle..heat of the moment posts are one thing, cold and deliberate
libel that any Reasonable Man jury with a hard on for the bloated Rich
can make into a very painful and long term financial issue, are
another.

Lots of options to explore.

btw... does this sound familiar?
Lat-Long: 37° 0' 8" , -121° 47' 31" || 37.0025 , -121.792

btw...I thought you lived on the top of a hill?

Though I do admit..there is some very interesting land features in
this area. A fella could nearly be invisible there if he were smart.
Lots of trees too. And a very easy walk from Brown Valley Rd, which is
better than driving up a cul de sac.

http://terraserver.microsoft.com/ima...10241&z=10&w=1

http://terraserver.microsoft.com/ima...=5120&z=10&w=1


Looks like country a guy could retire to and then die there all
content and peaceful. And suddenly, what with all that terrain rises
and falls and such. Probably be tough on the heart, no? A fellow could
be simply walking along and fall over dead. Gosh I know what thats
all about. Sigh...take care of yourself Timmy.


Shiva, Founder of the Tim May Fan Club

That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's
cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays
there.
- George Orwell

On 22 Jun 2004 07:05:47 GMT, "Ray Keller"
wrote:


"Tim May" wrote in message
t...
In article , Gunner
wrote:


By the way..did you know that you can use street addresses to order
sat photos? I found that interesting as hell. Sterophotometry
microscopes are damned cheap from surplus places too. Fascinating.

Keep adding to your case file.



And many take PayPal.

So long, for now.

Again, get near my property and I assume you are making good on one of
your threats.


You've really lost it. Had you spent one tenth the time you have spent
in the past 6 years actually working on your career, you might not now
be white trailer trash.

My hunch is your plan is to use your recent heart attack to "get on
disability." I'll be surprised if this doesn't come to pass.

You and your "ex-wife/wife/whatever" and her son by another man, and
that son's wife, and their kid, all living in unemployed bliss, are
exactly what you used to rant against.

Think about it.


--Tim May

Hmmm.....
Sounds like turd world timmy is paranoid!

You think?

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:P...rralitos&hl=en

* WHERE?: Tim May's house in Corralitos, east of Santa Cruz and north
of Watsonville. 427 Allan Lane, Corralitos. Detailed driving
instructions at the end of this message...or use one of the many
mappers on the Net. It takes about an hour to get from Sunnyvale to my
house, about 40 miles, so plan your travel accordingly.

* WHO?: Cypherpunks and friends who are not narcs or Feds. Contrary to
some meetings in the past, this is NOT an "open meeting, open to all."
That strategy worked OK for some meetings in public places where
certain kinds of software were to be distributed. But my house is a
private residence. I have nothing against legitimate cops enforcing
legitimate laws, but I don't want persecutors traipsing through my
house, perhaps planting evidence, looking for signs of illegal
activities or grounds for a warrant, etc. This is a PRIVATE RESIDENCE
and I intend to escort to the door anyone who is unknown to others. If
you are a lurker who doesn't know anybody and you want to attend, send
me e-mail and we'll arrange something. "

Almost sounds like he maybe has something to hide that is maybe
illegal or something. I wonder if he could be disappeared by Homeland
Security?

But for someone who may be doing criminal things, or should be
hiding..he sure makes things clear...

"Getting to Tim May's house in Corralitos:
427 Allan Lane (MapQuest works well). 831-728-0152


From Santa Cruz, south on Highway 1. Take Freedom Boulevard exit in
Aptos. Go inland, on Freedom Blvd. Travel about 5 miles, to first stop
sign. Take a left on Corralitos Road. At the the next stop sign, the
Corralitos Market (good sausages!) will be on your left. Just before
the stop sign, bear right on Brown's Valley Road. Cross bridge and
then
bear left as Brown's Valley Road turns. Travel about one mile to Allan
Lane, on the right.


Allan Lane is at about the "360" mailbox point on Brown's Valley
Road...if you go too far and enter the redwoods, turn back! Drive to
top of hill on Allan Lane. At top, bear left, over a small rise, past
a house on the left, then down my driveway. My house will be the white
stucco semi-Spanish style, with a red Explorer and black Mercedes in
the driveway.


Note for parties: You can park either in my driveway or at the top of
the hill and walk a few hundred feet. Don't block any driveways!


From points south of Santa Cruz, take Green Valley Road exit off of
Highway 1. Travel about 2 miles to Freedom Boulevard. Turn left. Then
right at Corralitos Road."


He sounds like an accident waiting to happen, to me. Shrug.


Shiva, Founder of the Tim May Fan Club.





That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's
cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays
there.
- George Orwell

"Tim May" wrote in message
...
In article , Gunner
wrote:

On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 17:34:41 -0700, Tim May
wrote:

Since some folks here don't seem proficient in using the archives of
past articles, here's the story of Gunner's life choices, in his own
words. (A bunch of other articles from him at or about this time, and
in the following months, elaborated on the details. Use Google Groups
in the obvious way to find them.)

(pardon the formatting...)

Seems that you have quite the bee under your bonnet.
I guess your life is empty and you needed a hobby.

I know I just found another one.

Keep making these kinds of threats.

(Yes, I removed you from my killfiles. My attorney advised me to keep
all of your posts in a folder and to print them out at intervals. She
said your profile pretty much matches someone about to "go postal.")

Oh God, another one of them...
I've kill filed a bunch of people over the years but you just made the
very short list I've said this to...
*PLONK*

On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 17:34:41 -0700, Tim May wrote:



From some of the messages I got while I was gone the past day or so,
some people think I am making the stuff up about Gunner's wife, or
ex-wife, or live-in ex-wife, or whatever she is, and making stuff about
his past life choiced which seem plainly destructive.

Having been the target of several of your attacks, in which you
maliciously mis-quoted me for the purposes of character assassination,
I have to say that I don't believe anything that you post.

I don't even think that what you post is worth reading for the simple
fact that it's too much work to figure out what's truth and what isn't.

snip

AC

On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 04:48:01 -0400, "John Keeney"
wrote:


(Yes, I removed you from my killfiles. My attorney advised me to keep
all of your posts in a folder and to print them out at intervals. She
said your profile pretty much matches someone about to "go postal.")

Oh God, another one of them...
I've kill filed a bunch of people over the years but you just made the
very short list I've said this to...
*PLONK*

Yup..Terrible Timmy must have finally been turned down by a woman on
the grounds that there were things even a cheap hooker wouldnt do.

Hence is current mindset.

Gunner

That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's
cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays
there.
- George Orwell

"Tim May" wrote in message
news:210620042326230245%


You and your "ex-wife/wife/whatever" and her son by another man, and
that son's wife, and their kid, all living in unemployed bliss, are
exactly what you used to rant against.

Think about it.


--Tim May

Yawn.

Harold

In article , says...

In article , Gunner
wrote:

On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 17:34:41 -0700, Tim May
wrote:

Since some folks here don't seem proficient in using the archives of
past articles, here's the story of Gunner's life choices, in his own
words. (A bunch of other articles from him at or about this time, and
in the following months, elaborated on the details. Use Google Groups
in the obvious way to find them.)

(pardon the formatting...)

Seems that you have quite the bee under your bonnet.
I guess your life is empty and you needed a hobby.

I know I just found another one.

Keep making these kinds of threats.

(Yes, I removed you from my killfiles. My attorney advised me to keep
all of your posts in a folder and to print them out at intervals. She

??????

YOU have a FEMALE attorney????

My God. The poor woman.



FW

"Myal" wrote in message
...
Tim May wrote in news:210620041734414117%
:


apart from you Timbo , who the hell cares ?

Im putting you fat arse in the sin bin for a while , till you get over
your
unhealthy obsession with Gunners woman .

I for one care. Why should we support these crazy loons? Why the hell do I
work 4 months out of my life so Gunner's whatever can raw dick every thing
she sees and have zero consequences of the outcome? It is also funny that
Gunner even calls himself a survivalist. Laughable at best.

On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 01:48:22 GMT, Gunner wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 08:14:13 -0700, RainLover
wrote:
The "haves" always love to think that if THEY have a good job and enough money
and savings, EVERYONE should be able to have that and the 'have nots' are just
lazy.

Some truth to that..and some not truth. Makes a fellow wonder where
all the switchboard operators for the phone companies went. Were they
executed when the COs were automated?

They went to work in defense plants. The timing worked out so that
the expansion of jobs for women due to the men going off to war
started about the time the phone systems became fully automatic.

Gary

On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 12:24:46 -0400, Gary Coffman
wrote:

On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 01:48:22 GMT, Gunner wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 08:14:13 -0700, RainLover
wrote:
The "haves" always love to think that if THEY have a good job and enough money
and savings, EVERYONE should be able to have that and the 'have nots' are just
lazy.

Some truth to that..and some not truth. Makes a fellow wonder where
all the switchboard operators for the phone companies went. Were they
executed when the COs were automated?

They went to work in defense plants. The timing worked out so that
the expansion of jobs for women due to the men going off to war
started about the time the phone systems became fully automatic.

Gary

Really? The CO here in my town went automated in 1985. Which war was
that?

Gunner

That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's
cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays
there.
- George Orwell

In article , Gunner
wrote:

On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 12:24:46 -0400, Gary Coffman
wrote:

On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 01:48:22 GMT, Gunner wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 08:14:13 -0700, RainLover
wrote:
The "haves" always love to think that if THEY have a good job and enough
money
and savings, EVERYONE should be able to have that and the 'have nots' are
just
lazy.

Some truth to that..and some not truth. Makes a fellow wonder where
all the switchboard operators for the phone companies went. Were they
executed when the COs were automated?

They went to work in defense plants. The timing worked out so that
the expansion of jobs for women due to the men going off to war
started about the time the phone systems became fully automatic.

Gary

Really? The CO here in my town went automated in 1985. Which war was
that?

You were the one who made the point "all the switchboard operators for
the phone companies went," implying the bulk of them, not some small
fringe in Taft.

Your logic is increasingly daft. I'm beginning to see why the high tech
train has left you standing at the station.

And I doubt very much that manual plug switchboards were in use even in
Taft up until 1985. Taft may have been the last to upgrade to the
recent generation of all electronic systems, but relays pretty much
replaced plug panels back in the early 40s, even in Littletown, U.S.A.


--Tim May

On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 17:11:23 GMT, Gunner wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 12:24:46 -0400, Gary Coffman
wrote:

On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 01:48:22 GMT, Gunner wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 08:14:13 -0700, RainLover
wrote:
The "haves" always love to think that if THEY have a good job and enough money
and savings, EVERYONE should be able to have that and the 'have nots' are just
lazy.

Some truth to that..and some not truth. Makes a fellow wonder where
all the switchboard operators for the phone companies went. Were they
executed when the COs were automated?

They went to work in defense plants. The timing worked out so that
the expansion of jobs for women due to the men going off to war
started about the time the phone systems became fully automatic.

Gary

Really? The CO here in my town went automated in 1985. Which war was
that?

The bulk of the nation's phone system went to direct dial prior to WWII.
There were a very few rural areas whose phone systems still used
telephone operators to make connections later than that, but the
numbers involved are tiny.

Gary

In article , Gunner
wrote:

On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 23:26:23 -0700, Tim May
wrote:

In article , Gunner
wrote:


By the way..did you know that you can use street addresses to order
sat photos? I found that interesting as hell. Sterophotometry
microscopes are damned cheap from surplus places too. Fascinating.

Keep adding to your case file.

Didnt you find that fascinating? Military spin offs after the end of
the Cold War are finding all manner of useful functions. I thought a
HiTech GeewhizKid like yourself would be tickled. It has a high OH WOW
function.

It's been available for a dozen years. My group bought SPOT photos from
the French of a beach area, for another purpose, and that was back in
1995. As for stereophotometry microscopes being useful, you're just
playing some fantasy role-playing game. No doubt you are sitting in
front of your computer dressed in your "cammies."



Is there something about that, that you find disturbing? Whatever for?

No, not "disturbing." Just for the case file.

Perhaps you should ask your attorney about other methods of skinning
cats. And look up case law in California about Libel. As an
example, repeated comments about drug usage, particulary about a sick
woman unable to defend herself are considered Libel, best as I can
determine from case law. Particulary given its intent to harm, defame,
and cause hardship to both her charector and to those associated with
her.

Such as the fliers you posted around town? Such as the contacts you
made with her friends? Such as the very long posting to Usenet _you_
made, describing her perfidies, shortly after her heart attack?

(Though I surely do admit you were provoked. For her to leave the
hospital and take up smoking and drinking and shooting pool with Carl
and their buddies again must have been irksome. To have her clean out
your bank account account yet again, and for "someone" to know where
your tools were stored and steal them one night, must have made you
pretty angry. That's understandable. What's not is that you keep taking
back this woman who treats you so shabbily, over more than 25 years.)

Your own words are the basis of my observations. Your own words, your
own written history, your own account of her multi-day partying binges
in the motel rooms, your own account of her "experiments" with bi sex,
your own account of multiple sex partners, and so on.



btw... does this sound familiar?
Lat-Long: 37° 0' 8" , -121° 47' 31" || 37.0025 , -121.792

btw...I thought you lived on the top of a hill?

Though I do admit..there is some very interesting land features in
this area. A fella could nearly be invisible there if he were smart.
Lots of trees too. And a very easy walk from Brown Valley Rd, which is
better than driving up a cul de sac.

http://terraserver.microsoft.com/ima...10241&z=10&w=1

http://terraserver.microsoft.com/ima...=5120&z=10&w=1


Yawn. These online maps have been online for at least several years now.


Looks like country a guy could retire to and then die there all
content and peaceful. And suddenly, what with all that terrain rises
and falls and such. Probably be tough on the heart, no? A fellow could
be simply walking along and fall over dead. Gosh I know what thats
all about. Sigh...take care of yourself Timmy.

Keep up the threats. Details add to the file.

A TRO (and what that implies) needs detailed threats. We're getting
there.

--Tim May

In article , Gunner
wrote:



He sounds like an accident waiting to happen, to me. Shrug.




Ah, more details. Keep up the bluster.


--Tim May

On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 13:50:24 -0400, Gary Coffman
wrote:

On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 17:11:23 GMT, Gunner wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 12:24:46 -0400, Gary Coffman
wrote:

On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 01:48:22 GMT, Gunner wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 08:14:13 -0700, RainLover
wrote:
The "haves" always love to think that if THEY have a good job and enough money
and savings, EVERYONE should be able to have that and the 'have nots' are just
lazy.

Some truth to that..and some not truth. Makes a fellow wonder where
all the switchboard operators for the phone companies went. Were they
executed when the COs were automated?

They went to work in defense plants. The timing worked out so that
the expansion of jobs for women due to the men going off to war
started about the time the phone systems became fully automatic.

Gary

Really? The CO here in my town went automated in 1985. Which war was
that?

The bulk of the nation's phone system went to direct dial prior to WWII.
There were a very few rural areas whose phone systems still used
telephone operators to make connections later than that, but the
numbers involved are tiny.

Gary

Indeed. However Gary..I was making the case that not all operators
(as an example) went into the defense plants..and furthermore to the
larger point...there were literally thousands of phone operators
across the company that handled such things as 4-11 calls,
information, etc. Where did they all go? Were they all executed or
did they cross train into other types of work?
Some retired. Some went into other information services "would you
like fries with that?" and so forth. Those workers were getting fair
money with good bennies. When those jobs ceased, its highly likely
that they took lesser paying jobs. A buddy of mine, now in his mid 40s
was one such operator. He went into the home health care business at a
much reduced wage. His wife became a phone company muckamuck for a
different phone company, making significantly larger money than she
made as an operator.

The thread was discussing the changing job markets and the claim was
made that no new job should have been at a lower wage, and it was
Bush's fault that those so employed were working at lower wages.

I think we can safely say that all the buggywhip makers (as an
example) found other work. It may have been at a higher or lower wage,
it was not Bush's fault, and the change in jobs was a result of
technological changes, not some grand geopolitical conspiracy. And the
wage the buggywhip makes ultimately wound up making, was a result of
their actions and efforts, or lack of such.



Gunner

That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's
cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays
there.
- George Orwell

On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:07:27 -0700, Tim May
wrote:

In article , Gunner
wrote:

On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 23:26:23 -0700, Tim May
wrote:

In article , Gunner
wrote:


By the way..did you know that you can use street addresses to order
sat photos? I found that interesting as hell. Sterophotometry
microscopes are damned cheap from surplus places too. Fascinating.

Keep adding to your case file.

Didnt you find that fascinating? Military spin offs after the end of
the Cold War are finding all manner of useful functions. I thought a
HiTech GeewhizKid like yourself would be tickled. It has a high OH WOW
function.

It's been available for a dozen years. My group bought SPOT photos from
the French of a beach area, for another purpose, and that was back in
1995. As for stereophotometry microscopes being useful, you're just
playing some fantasy role-playing game. No doubt you are sitting in
front of your computer dressed in your "cammies."


Actually one of the schools I went to, these many years ago was
photoenterpritation. Some tools simply make life easier.


Is there something about that, that you find disturbing? Whatever for?

No, not "disturbing." Just for the case file.

Gee..seems like we both have one of those.

Perhaps you should ask your attorney about other methods of skinning
cats. And look up case law in California about Libel. As an
example, repeated comments about drug usage, particulary about a sick
woman unable to defend herself are considered Libel, best as I can
determine from case law. Particulary given its intent to harm, defame,
and cause hardship to both her charector and to those associated with
her.

Such as the fliers you posted around town? Such as the contacts you
made with her friends? Such as the very long posting to Usenet _you_
made, describing her perfidies, shortly after her heart attack?

Actually no. Mine were accurate. Yours are not. Big difference. When
she decides to bring that to court against me, Ill deal with it. Can
you say the same.."deep pockets"?

(Though I surely do admit you were provoked. For her to leave the
hospital and take up smoking and drinking and shooting pool with Carl
and their buddies again must have been irksome. To have her clean out
your bank account account yet again, and for "someone" to know where
your tools were stored and steal them one night, must have made you
pretty angry. That's understandable. What's not is that you keep taking
back this woman who treats you so shabbily, over more than 25 years.)

Your own words are the basis of my observations. Your own words, your
own written history, your own account of her multi-day partying binges
in the motel rooms, your own account of her "experiments" with bi sex,
your own account of multiple sex partners, and so on.

Actually...not. A goodly portion of your spew so far has been of your
own invention, and for purposes to harm and defame. Quite a different
kettle of fish.



btw... does this sound familiar?
Lat-Long: 37° 0' 8" , -121° 47' 31" || 37.0025 , -121.792

btw...I thought you lived on the top of a hill?

Though I do admit..there is some very interesting land features in
this area. A fella could nearly be invisible there if he were smart.
Lots of trees too. And a very easy walk from Brown Valley Rd, which is
better than driving up a cul de sac.

http://terraserver.microsoft.com/ima...10241&z=10&w=1

http://terraserver.microsoft.com/ima...=5120&z=10&w=1


Yawn. These online maps have been online for at least several years now.

Im sure you were aware of that. I thought others might find it
interesting as well. Ive used them for quite a long time.

Looks like country a guy could retire to and then die there all
content and peaceful. And suddenly, what with all that terrain rises
and falls and such. Probably be tough on the heart, no? A fellow could
be simply walking along and fall over dead. Gosh I know what thats
all about. Sigh...take care of yourself Timmy.

Keep up the threats. Details add to the file.

Threats? Which threats? Are you claiming that Im threatening you?
God forbid. Hummm isnt that libel?

A TRO (and what that implies) needs detailed threats. We're getting
there.

So you are using the threat of a restraining order to curtail my day
to day postings? That sounds like you are indeed threatening me, and
attempting to force me to your will. Intersting. Added to the file.


--Tim May

Gunner

That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's
cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays
there.
- George Orwell

On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:09:27 -0700, Tim May
wrote:

In article , Gunner
wrote:



He sounds like an accident waiting to happen, to me. Shrug.




Ah, more details. Keep up the bluster.


--Tim May

Timmmy..Im only concerned about your health. There you are, fat,
lumpy, out of shape, and living in a section of land that has to be
hard on your health. I hope you visit your doctor regulary. Please
visit this link for a good list of the warning signs

http://www.americanheart.org/present...dentifier=3053

I love my fellow man, and Id sure hate to see you grab your chest, and
not be found until after the coyotes have eaten you.

Whats a fan club for, without an Icon to be fans of?

Be well Tubby.

Gunner


That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's
cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays
there.
- George Orwell

In article , Gunner
wrote:


Actually...not. A goodly portion of your spew so far has been of your
own invention, and for purposes to harm and defame. Quite a different
kettle of fish.

I took the material from your own long diatribes against her and her
son.

The only thing I speculated on was drug use, which I strongly suspect
was the case, given that she was engaged in partying and sexual
experimentation with women and other men, from your own description,
beginning in 1976 and continuing for years. These were years when most
such partyers were ingesting various substances.

However, I will take you at your word that she never did cocaine,
crank, pot, etc. The smoking and boozing right after the taxpayers gave
her the full heart attack treatment is bad enough.

Keep up the threats. Details add to the file.

Threats? Which threats? Are you claiming that Im threatening you?
God forbid. Hummm isnt that libel?

A TRO (and what that implies) needs detailed threats. We're getting
there.

So you are using the threat of a restraining order to curtail my day
to day postings? That sounds like you are indeed threatening me, and
attempting to force me to your will. Intersting. Added to the file.


No, a TRO to make you arrestable if you show up on or near my property.
Big difference.


--Tim May

On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 18:17:17 GMT, Gunner said:

On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 13:50:24 -0400, Gary Coffman
wrote:

On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 17:11:23 GMT, Gunner wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 12:24:46 -0400, Gary Coffman
wrote:

On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 01:48:22 GMT, Gunner wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 08:14:13 -0700, RainLover
wrote:
The "haves" always love to think that if THEY have a good job and enough money
and savings, EVERYONE should be able to have that and the 'have nots' are just
lazy.

Some truth to that..and some not truth. Makes a fellow wonder where
all the switchboard operators for the phone companies went. Were they
executed when the COs were automated?

They went to work in defense plants. The timing worked out so that
the expansion of jobs for women due to the men going off to war
started about the time the phone systems became fully automatic.

Gary

Really? The CO here in my town went automated in 1985. Which war was
that?

The bulk of the nation's phone system went to direct dial prior to WWII.
There were a very few rural areas whose phone systems still used
telephone operators to make connections later than that, but the
numbers involved are tiny.

Gary

Indeed. However Gary..I was making the case that not all operators
(as an example) went into the defense plants..and furthermore to the
larger point...there were literally thousands of phone operators
across the company that handled such things as 4-11 calls,
information, etc. Where did they all go? Were they all executed or
did they cross train into other types of work?
Some retired. Some went into other information services "would you
like fries with that?" and so forth. Those workers were getting fair
money with good bennies. When those jobs ceased, its highly likely
that they took lesser paying jobs. A buddy of mine, now in his mid 40s
was one such operator. He went into the home health care business at a
much reduced wage. His wife became a phone company muckamuck for a
different phone company, making significantly larger money than she
made as an operator.

The thread was discussing the changing job markets and the claim was
made that no new job should have been at a lower wage, and it was
Bush's fault that those so employed were working at lower wages.

I think we can safely say that all the buggywhip makers (as an
example) found other work. It may have been at a higher or lower wage,
it was not Bush's fault, and the change in jobs was a result of
technological changes, not some grand geopolitical conspiracy. And the
wage the buggywhip makes ultimately wound up making, was a result of
their actions and efforts, or lack of such.



We still had switch board operators, and party lines untill 1976 in my
county. We were the second to the last county in the whole country to
go direct dial. The last county to go direct dial was some county in
CO.

I have a couple of boxes of those old crank telephones that were given
to me free a couple of years ago, I collect them for their dynomos. A
neat way to catch fish is to drop the wall cord to the phone in the
water near the fish, remove the hand set from the cradle and crank the
phone crank rapidly. The fish will float to the top, not dead, but
stund.

n. In WV.

"Gary Coffman" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 17:11:23 GMT, Gunner wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 12:24:46 -0400, Gary Coffman
wrote:

On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 01:48:22 GMT, Gunner wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 08:14:13 -0700, RainLover
wrote:
The "haves" always love to think that if THEY have a good job and
enough money
and savings, EVERYONE should be able to have that and the 'have nots'
are just
lazy.

Some truth to that..and some not truth. Makes a fellow wonder where
all the switchboard operators for the phone companies went. Were they
executed when the COs were automated?

They went to work in defense plants. The timing worked out so that
the expansion of jobs for women due to the men going off to war
started about the time the phone systems became fully automatic.

Gary

Really? The CO here in my town went automated in 1985. Which war was
that?

The bulk of the nation's phone system went to direct dial prior to WWII.
There were a very few rural areas whose phone systems still used
telephone operators to make connections later than that, but the
numbers involved are tiny.

Gary

Can't say I agree. I graduated high school in '57. My ex-wife, then
girlfriend, was hired by the phone company as an operator and worked on a
plug type panel for some time. This was in Salt Lake City, Utah. I also
recall being a youngster, early 50's, and sitting on my bicycle at the
window of the phone company in my home town, Midvale, Utah, watching a
family friend, along with others, working at plug panels. But then, Utah
wasn't exactly up to speed at that point in time. Midvale was still just a
smelter town.

Harold

On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 12:32:02 -0700, Tim May
wrote:

In article , Gunner
wrote:


Actually...not. A goodly portion of your spew so far has been of your
own invention, and for purposes to harm and defame. Quite a different
kettle of fish.

I took the material from your own long diatribes against her and her
son.

The only thing I speculated on was drug use, which I strongly suspect
was the case, given that she was engaged in partying and sexual
experimentation with women and other men, from your own description,
beginning in 1976 and continuing for years. These were years when most
such partyers were ingesting various substances.

However, I will take you at your word that she never did cocaine,
crank, pot, etc. The smoking and boozing right after the taxpayers gave
her the full heart attack treatment is bad enough.

Its a bit late now for speculation, long after the fact you published
your claims not as speculation, but as hard cold factoids, and did so
deliberately. Sorry..your apology is not accepted. Damage to her
reputation and to mine has been irrevocably done. Your continued
efforts to hammer the same drum tune even after being notified of
your lie..er..error is also noted and filed.

Keep up the threats. Details add to the file.

Threats? Which threats? Are you claiming that Im threatening you?
God forbid. Hummm isnt that libel?

A TRO (and what that implies) needs detailed threats. We're getting
there.

So you are using the threat of a restraining order to curtail my day
to day postings? That sounds like you are indeed threatening me, and
attempting to force me to your will. Intersting. Added to the file.


No, a TRO to make you arrestable if you show up on or near my property.
Big difference.

Up or near..interesting phrasology. Please define both. 100 yrds?
1000? So if I decide to go bird watching 1000 yds from your bunker,
Il be arrested, even on public lands or roadways? Interesting. Be
sure to make specific distances mentioned in the TRO. Just so I know
what the legal limit is..of course.

Gunner



--Tim May

That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's
cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays
there.
- George Orwell

--
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"Gunner" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 12:32:02 -0700, Tim May
wrote:

In article , Gunner
wrote:


Actually...not. A goodly portion of your spew so far has been of your
own invention, and for purposes to harm and defame. Quite a different
kettle of fish.

I took the material from your own long diatribes against her and her
son.

The only thing I speculated on was drug use, which I strongly suspect
was the case, given that she was engaged in partying and sexual
experimentation with women and other men, from your own description,
beginning in 1976 and continuing for years. These were years when most
such partyers were ingesting various substances.

However, I will take you at your word that she never did cocaine,
crank, pot, etc. The smoking and boozing right after the taxpayers gave
her the full heart attack treatment is bad enough.

Its a bit late now for speculation, long after the fact you published
your claims not as speculation, but as hard cold factoids, and did so
deliberately. Sorry..your apology is not accepted. Damage to her
reputation and to mine has been irrevocably done. Your continued
efforts to hammer the same drum tune even after being notified of
your lie..er..error is also noted and filed.

I expect a thorough search of public records would find any drug-related
arrests of the persons in question.

And any damage to her reputation was done by YOU in your posts, same as the
damage to your reputation.
Any such "damage" must be proved to have a detrimental and quantifiable
effect before you can start yelling about "libel".

And if its true, it isn't libel.



Keep up the threats. Details add to the file.

Threats? Which threats? Are you claiming that Im threatening you?
God forbid. Hummm isnt that libel?

A TRO (and what that implies) needs detailed threats. We're getting
there.

So you are using the threat of a restraining order to curtail my day
to day postings? That sounds like you are indeed threatening me, and
attempting to force me to your will. Intersting. Added to the file.


No, a TRO to make you arrestable if you show up on or near my property.
Big difference.

Up or near..interesting phrasology. Please define both. 100 yrds?
1000? So if I decide to go bird watching 1000 yds from your bunker,
Il be arrested, even on public lands or roadways? Interesting. Be
sure to make specific distances mentioned in the TRO. Just so I know
what the legal limit is..of course.

Keep spewing.
Any hungry lawyer already has enough to make your life hell, the only thing
saving you so far is your poverty.

In article , Gunner
wrote:

Its a bit late now for speculation, long after the fact you published
your claims not as speculation, but as hard cold factoids, and did so
deliberately. Sorry..your apology is not accepted. Damage to her
reputation and to mine has been irrevocably done.

It's hard to argue she had any such reputation to be "damaged." Perhaps
a lawsuit will result in $5 being awarded, enough to pay for another
game of pool at her favorite dive.

You were the one who posted the fliers around town, warning of her
trampiness. You were the one who wrote extensively about her partying
binges, her boozing, her shacking up with various boyfriends until they
got tired of her and kicked her out, her unwanted pregnancy, the
stealing, the lying, and all the rest.

Recalling your own words cannot be libel. Nor is truthful speech libel.


My strong advice to you is to jettison this deadweight, who cuckolded
you shortly after marriage, who slept around with various men and
women, who stole from you, who lied to you, who got you fired from what
you said was a "good job," and who generally treated you as a ****ing
doormat.

(And, actually, you referred to her in 2000 as your "ex-wife," yet
recently you call her "my wife." Weird.)

As for your house in Taft, sell it, sell your junk, sell most of your
firearms, sell your non-junk machines and tools, and start over closer
to where some decent jobs are located.

Your repeated claims of helplessness, about how "the jobs are too far
away" and "there are no jobs I can do here in Taft" have gotten really,
really tiresome.

The rest of your life is what you make of it.


I do hope you can make it, as I really hate it when a former
conservative or libertarian succumbs to the Dark Side.

--Tim May

On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 12:32:02 -0700, Tim May
wrote:

In article , Gunner
wrote:


Actually...not. A goodly portion of your spew so far has been of your
own invention, and for purposes to harm and defame. Quite a different
kettle of fish.

I took the material from your own long diatribes against her and her
son.

The only thing I speculated on was drug use, which I strongly suspect
was the case, given that she was engaged in partying and sexual
experimentation with women and other men, from your own description,
beginning in 1976 and continuing for years. These were years when most
such partyers were ingesting various substances.

However, I will take you at your word that she never did cocaine,
crank, pot, etc. The smoking and boozing right after the taxpayers gave
her the full heart attack treatment is bad enough.

Keep up the threats. Details add to the file.

Threats? Which threats? Are you claiming that Im threatening you?
God forbid. Hummm isnt that libel?

A TRO (and what that implies) needs detailed threats. We're getting
there.

So you are using the threat of a restraining order to curtail my day
to day postings? That sounds like you are indeed threatening me, and
attempting to force me to your will. Intersting. Added to the file.


No, a TRO to make you arrestable if you show up on or near my property.
Big difference.


--Tim May

Tim are you after a restraining order.. or sliming around to get a
restraining order so gunner will have to get rid of his guns?

Restraining orders are easy to get .. but sure get messy when the
order was used for ulterior motives.. ask your smart ass lawyer about
cases where people "collected" information for restraining orders..
then were sued in civil court for damages after the facts were fully
discovered.... and the ulterior motives questioned


State of Ca when a person receives a restraining order from a judge:

" You can't own, possess, or have a gun or firearm while the order is
in effect. If you have a gun now, the judge can order you to turn it
in to the police or sell it to a gun dealer.


What is a firearm?
A firearm is a:

Handgun
Shotgun
Assault weapon
Rifle
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Sell it to a licensed gun dealer, or
Turn it in to local law enforcement.
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How do I sell my firearm?
Look for a licensed gun dealer in your area.

Look under "Firearms Dealers" in your local phone book's Yellow Pages.
Make sure the dealer is licensed.

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Call your local agency to ask about their procedures. Take a copy of
the restraining order with you. Go directly to the law enforcement
agency. Do not go anywhere else with firearms in your vehicle!

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it?
They will keep your firearm until the court order ends.

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Yes. You are allowed to make one sale. To do this, a licensed gun
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You may have to pay the agency for keeping your firearm. Contact your
local law enforcement agency and ask if a fee is charged. After your
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Mike


"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the
subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who
have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own
downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the
supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of
any sovereignty. So let's not have any native militia or native
police. German troops alone will bear the sole responsibility for the
maintenance of law and order throughout the occupied Russian
territories, and a system of military strong-points must be evolved to
cover the entire occupied country." Adolf Hitler

On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 17:34:41 -0700, Tim May
wrote:


From some of the messages I got while I was gone the past day or so,
some people think I am making the stuff up about Gunner's wife, or
ex-wife, or live-in ex-wife, or whatever she is, and making stuff about
his past life choiced which seem plainly destructive.

snip

You seem to be strangely fascinated by Gunner. Have you solved all the
problems in your own life, and those of your family, friends and
neighbors, and have decided to work on him next? Why not solve the
problems of someone from whose improvement we might all benefit, like
Osama bin Laden, or GW Bush?

Al Moore

On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 23:22:48 GMT, "Mysterion"
wrote:



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"Gunner" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 12:32:02 -0700, Tim May
wrote:

In article , Gunner
wrote:


Actually...not. A goodly portion of your spew so far has been of your
own invention, and for purposes to harm and defame. Quite a different
kettle of fish.

I took the material from your own long diatribes against her and her
son.

The only thing I speculated on was drug use, which I strongly suspect
was the case, given that she was engaged in partying and sexual
experimentation with women and other men, from your own description,
beginning in 1976 and continuing for years. These were years when most
such partyers were ingesting various substances.

However, I will take you at your word that she never did cocaine,
crank, pot, etc. The smoking and boozing right after the taxpayers gave
her the full heart attack treatment is bad enough.

Its a bit late now for speculation, long after the fact you published
your claims not as speculation, but as hard cold factoids, and did so
deliberately. Sorry..your apology is not accepted. Damage to her
reputation and to mine has been irrevocably done. Your continued
efforts to hammer the same drum tune even after being notified of
your lie..er..error is also noted and filed.

I expect a thorough search of public records would find any drug-related
arrests of the persons in question.

And any damage to her reputation was done by YOU in your posts, same as the
damage to your reputation.
Any such "damage" must be proved to have a detrimental and quantifiable
effect before you can start yelling about "libel".

And if its true, it isn't libel.



Keep up the threats. Details add to the file.

Threats? Which threats? Are you claiming that Im threatening you?
God forbid. Hummm isnt that libel?

A TRO (and what that implies) needs detailed threats. We're getting
there.

So you are using the threat of a restraining order to curtail my day
to day postings? That sounds like you are indeed threatening me, and
attempting to force me to your will. Intersting. Added to the file.


No, a TRO to make you arrestable if you show up on or near my property.
Big difference.

Up or near..interesting phrasology. Please define both. 100 yrds?
1000? So if I decide to go bird watching 1000 yds from your bunker,
Il be arrested, even on public lands or roadways? Interesting. Be
sure to make specific distances mentioned in the TRO. Just so I know
what the legal limit is..of course.

Keep spewing.
Any hungry lawyer already has enough to make your life hell, the only thing
saving you so far is your poverty.



Mystery man.. this isn't about anything... this the the stingy rich
white man who doesn't have a life Sport..

This is Sport To this kind of people.. .where have you been...?

MIke

In article , Santa Cruz
Mike wrote:

Tim are you after a restraining order.. or sliming around to get a
restraining order so gunner will have to get rid of his guns?

Restraining orders are easy to get .. but sure get messy when the
order was used for ulterior motives.. ask your smart ass lawyer about
cases where people "collected" information for restraining orders..
then were sued in civil court for damages after the facts were fully
discovered.... and the ulterior motives questioned

I would seek a TRO if and when I think Gunner plans to do what TROs are
designed to head off: someone lingering on or near another person's
property for threatening or harassment purposes. TROs are orders for
another to keep a reasonable distance, allowing arrest and prosecution
if they violate the TRO.

--Tim May

"Gunner" wrote

Considering all the jobs that were lost during the last
administration..isnt any job creation a good thing?

Are you claiming a net loss of jobs during the 93-2000 period?

Dan