On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 09:43:06 -0700, Tim May
wrote:

In article , Bob Brock
wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 01:19:00 GMT, Gunner
wrote:

On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 15:22:46 -0700, Tim May
wrote:

You mean the Veteran's Administration is responsible for the $400,000
bill he says his wife (or what he sometimes calls his "ex-wife") ran
up?

Nope..she is responsible for that. I only provide a place for her to
live. In return, she keeps my home in somewhat good order and takes
care of my critters. Period. We are still separated in actual fact.

If you are living together, it would appear that you are living
together.

And I can't find a comment (or a public record, though the Net is
notorious for not having most such records yet on file) that they
actually obtained a formal (legal) divorce. Gunner (Mark Wieber, for
the purposes of searching for records) described in detail how his wife
left in 1976 to live with some guy named Carl Wyatt, how they partied
and caroused and how she got pregnant and how Gunner then took her
back. And how she went to another guy, and some women, and another guy,
and Carl again, and then how she drained his remaining assets.

But nowhere do I find a clear statement that she and Gunner were
legally divorced.

Why is it so important for you to even look? How silly.


Which, if they were not divorced (or if her co-residence with him was
long enough to constitute a common law marriage), then in fact Gunner
is also responsible for her medical bills as well (which Gunner says
are about $400,000).

a good deal snipped

"snip 7 years of financial fiascos climaxed by 4 surgeries for boy,
loss of kidney to birth defect uncaught by doctors. No insurance)

"Year unknown. Wife gets bored once again... Locates and proceeds to
have a 5
...."


(rest not included...too depressing, even for me)

Depressing? For you? Sounds to me as though you're enjoying it
thoroughly otherwise why bother to bring it all up?
Sue

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 09:43:06 -0700, Tim May
wrote:

In article , Bob Brock
wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 01:19:00 GMT, Gunner
wrote:

On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 15:22:46 -0700, Tim May
wrote:

You mean the Veteran's Administration is responsible for the $400,000
bill he says his wife (or what he sometimes calls his "ex-wife") ran
up?

Nope..she is responsible for that. I only provide a place for her to
live. In return, she keeps my home in somewhat good order and takes
care of my critters. Period. We are still separated in actual fact.

If you are living together, it would appear that you are living
together.

And I can't find a comment (or a public record, though the Net is
notorious for not having most such records yet on file) that they
actually obtained a formal (legal) divorce. Gunner (Mark Wieber, for
the purposes of searching for records) described in detail how his wife
left in 1976 to live with some guy named Carl Wyatt, how they partied
and caroused and how she got pregnant and how Gunner then took her
back. And how she went to another guy, and some women, and another guy,
and Carl again, and then how she drained his remaining assets.

But nowhere do I find a clear statement that she and Gunner were
legally divorced.

Correct. We are not legally divorced.

Which, if they were not divorced (or if her co-residence with him was
long enough to constitute a common law marriage), then in fact Gunner
is also responsible for her medical bills as well (which Gunner says
are about $400,000).

I have ended relationships for situations which are about 150 times
less bad than what Gunner described happened first in 1976 and then
many times later. It's clear his wife/ex-wife/whatever treated him like
a toilet and that he put up with it. Weird.

Tubby..you ended relationships? Right. Id have to say offhand, you
couldnt get laid in a whore house, hence your bitterness towards women
in general. Id hazard to say that before you became so badly twisted,
that you, the computer nerd, had a long string of women who milked you
like a cow, simply because they knew you had money..and were willing
to hang around long enough to grab someof that, before your telling
lack of social skills and pudgey body became too much for them, and
they got sickened with you and they left. But hey....you still have
your investments to cuddle up with on a cold night.


Furthermore, she is disabled for life, unfortunately and is unable to
provide for herself financially. She is considered by the State to be
indigent, and indigent for life. If you don't like the States terms
or criteria..please feel free to change the rules by which she is
subject.

Sounds like government tit to me.

Yep. Even while Gunner was writing dozens of rants a week (someone said
he averaged 30 posts per day for the past year, but I haven't checked
this out) about the evils of socialism and the moral principles of not
taking other people's money, his wife was consuming $400,000 in
taxpayer-paid medical care and is (probably) now collecting a monthly
disability check...it may be what Gunner is living on.

Wrong again Tubby. Only assistance she gets from the government is
direct medical aid. I take care of everything else, as is my
responsiblity. Been damned rough too. Which is why I now have my very
own stent. But then, Im trim and bave a nice list of friends, both
male and female and do not sit, embittered in my "retreat" at 427
Allan Lane, Corralitos, California.


As to my compassion for her condition..deal with it. While I
understand that compassion is an alien word to you..its something that
most humans have.

Compassion? Sounds like the government tit to me.


She never used drugs (though where you got that from, or why you keep
bringing that lie up escapes me).

Gunner spoke of his methamphetamine-using son (Richard, by the father
Carl Wyatt) and of his wife's partying binges in the mid-70s and later.
With the talk of group sex, partying, multiple boyfriends,
methamphetamines, etc., I think it's _reasonable_ (in fact, I would put
the odds at 99.9%) to assume the wife was doing her share of what was
common in that environment in the mid-70s and into the Things Go Better
with Coke era.


Once again, you prove the wank you are. She never did drugs. Though
indeed my son did. He is now clean for 3 yrs. Seems he had the guts
and willpower to kick it. And you are still fat. Says much, huh?

But I will no longer cite her as a druggie, though her son certainly
was. A slut, for sure. A slut who treated Gunner as a toilet,
definately.

Tim..you are not that far from me. Id suggest you ease up on the talk
of my family members. Pick on me all you want..but if you keep
bringing my family into the conversation..I may decide to make you a
hobby.
While its ok for me to complain about her..its not your place to do so
or is it honorable. I suggest you cease forthwith.

Shiva.
That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's
cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays
there.
- George Orwell

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 08:57:50 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 15:20:38 GMT, Sue calmly
ranted:

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 06:01:14 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 05:00:21 GMT, Sue calmly
ranted:

Whooo. I got my freckles the easy way. G
Sue

Oh, it was a nekkid calendar shoot on a sunny day? I see.

Chuckle. No, the only freckles I have left are on my arms. Nekkid?
I don't expose my body to public ridicule. Not even in a bathing suit
anymore. Sigh.

I thought our pincushiony friend, Gunner, said you were a calendar
girl, so I assumed... wink

Chuckle. If either he or you saw me you'd understand how ridiculous
*that* is. G Hint: at 50 he's a youngster compared to me.
Sue

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 14:09:38 +0000 (UTC), GeoffH
wrote:

Welcome back Gunner.
It's a wake up call no mistake.
Had an MI 23rd January '89 with no warning at all.
Sitting watching baseball finals on TV, midnight here in the UK, and
chest pains that just would not go away.
Somehow I just knew what was happening and called our emergency
services who arrived inside 5 minutes - the longest 5 minutes I have
ever had - they wired me up to their portable heart monitor and
confirmed a heart attack.
Ended up in Stoke Mandeville Hospital in Aylesbury, famous for holding
the Paraplegic Games, and its spinal injury facilities.
Spent two weeks there recovering.
Bottom part of the heart muscle damaged only.

My wife has the same (but significantly worse damaged area)

Oh..and I will be quitting smoking (or trying really hard) as I need
lead a bit more healthy a life style. Shrug..this is gonna be a total
bitch and will likely be harder than undergoing the other stuff..I
have quit 14 times before...sigh...
You WILL NOT regret this move.
I didn't.
It reached fever pitch for me about 3 weeks after getting out of
hospital.
Sunday evening around 8pm my nerves where jangling from nicotine
deprivation. Ready to climb up the wall.
Decided to go to our corner shop/store to buy a pack of 10 smokes just
to kill the craving.
Got to the shop and thank God it was closed.
Took this as a sign and did not walk the mile or so into town to local
supermarket.
Cravings stopped there and then.
For the next couple of years it was just a case of "something missing"
after a meal or coffee etc, all craving gone.
After 4 years just a total relief that I had stopped smoking.
Absolutely the best thing I could have done!!
Now I cannot stand being in a smokey room or even around anyone that
is or has smoked.
You will know what I mean in the months and years to come.
This intense dislike grew and didn't happen overnight.
I lead a normal life and just watch salt and fat intake.
Not easy in the UK where all processed food is saturated with the
stuff.
Only time I think of it is when I am out walking in cold weather and
slight angina sets in if I walk too fast.
When I see what could have happened to me, I sure am happy.
Get well soon and do give up the weed.
Regards
GeoffH
Norfolk - UK not VA

I just got this email this morning, which Im gonna research
completly...

"I am not a doctor so do your own research and speak to one but.... I
went
through a similar event last August. This was the second time for me
with a
prior event some 7 years before that so I do have a frame of
reference.


After the surgery last August I felt wonderful as I was getting oxygen
to
the body in larger quantities. Decided to be a good boy and follow
the
doc's suggestions and even gave up smoking.


About two weeks later I found myself on my knees and the elf you
describe
was back with a vengeance. But just for a short while then the pain
subsided. However, I began to notice I was getting weaker over time.
Called
the Doc on several occasions and he kept telling me it was nothing but
angina. After about 3 weeks I got in to see him and knew I was well on
the
way to checking out. Told him it was not angina, I knew what that
was, I
had it, but that was not the problem. Finally had to offer to take
him with
me to the afterlife to get his attention.


He did all the usual tests, blood work, ekg, x-ray and none of them
showed
anything. As he put it, the only thing left would be to go back in. I
told
him if that's the only option do it! That was on a Wednesday and
Friday
they went back in.


What they found was: The arteries which are constricted in a smoker
had
relaxed (expanded) from stopping smoking. The Doc had prescribed
their new
wonder drug Plavix which they did not have 7 years before on the first
heart
attack. Plavix is like WD-40 for the blood and keeps anything from
adhering
to the arteries (INCLUDING THE STINT!!!) The stint had moved and in
the
process sliced open the artery and I was bleeding out into the chest
cavity.
The blood loss was in fact killing me and of course with the plavix it
could
not clot.


The point of this all is:


1. If you are on Plavix, you MAY want to ease into giving up the
cigarettes.
No doubt they are bad for us but a sudden stop while on Plavix can
kill you.
Seems the medical community is just now starting to come to grips with
this
issue.


2. It is not at all unknown for a stint to move and open an
artery. In the
old days it was not as big a problem as the blood would clot and the
tear
would heal. With Plavix or other types of blood thinner, that does
not
happen. (you just bleed to death to the sound of the Doc's voice
saying
"It's just angina")


3. Everyone who has been through this has occasional chest pain
(Angina) to
the point the Doc's automatically assume every and all patient post-op
complaints are nothing but angina. (Not True)


4. Learn to identify the "angina" pains as well as the "weaker
and weaker
every day" symptoms and be able to explain to the Doc (should you have
the
problem) that it is NOT angina.


Otherwise, you may not be around to provide the sometimes enjoyable
and
often informative posts I have come to expect from you."


Gunner

That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's
cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays
there.
- George Orwell

Gunner wrote:

Really? Define neocon. I always thought neocon was a liberal who
voted to fight a war, and was used as a slur by Leftists to label
those they consider traitors to the Leftist cause.

I finally got a definition of "neocon" from someone in a position to
know it's origin, and what was meant by it.

It originally referred to Jews who are not "socialists" or "liberals".

I don't think you qualify.

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 15:39:56 GMT, "Jeff McCann"
wrote:

Gunner:

Damn glad you're doing OK. You take care of yourself, now, ya'hear?

Just curious, why didn't you call 911? They can begin effective
treatment immediately, assuming they are Advanced Life Support equipped.
Was the drive to the ER much faster than the ambo could arrive at your
place? Or was it it your stubborn self-sufficient attitude? ;-)

Jeff

1. No insurance. Ambulance ride is around $1600 for the 45 mile one
way trip.

2. Denial.

3. see #1

Gunner

That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's
cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays
there.
- George Orwell

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 18:00:37 GMT, Gunner
wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 10:01:15 -0400, Bob Brock
wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 07:33:58 GMT, Gunner
wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 00:29:18 -0400, Bob Brock
wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 01:19:00 GMT, Gunner
wrote:

On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 15:22:46 -0700, Tim May
wrote:

You mean the Veteran's Administration is responsible for the $400,000
bill he says his wife (or what he sometimes calls his "ex-wife") ran
up?

Nope..she is responsible for that. I only provide a place for her to
live. In return, she keeps my home in somewhat good order and takes
care of my critters. Period. We are still separated in actual fact.

If you are living together, it would appear that you are living
together.

Only 2 days a week. We are roommates. Were you and your college
roommate living together in the same context?

What, she kicks you out of your own house and you have to live under
the bridge the other five day?

Ah..no. I work in Southern California, and keep a place in Pomona,
Calif. My big home is where my toys and critters are at.


Furthermore, she is disabled for life, unfortunately and is unable to
provide for herself financially. She is considered by the State to be
indigent, and indigent for life. If you don't like the States terms
or criteria..please feel free to change the rules by which she is
subject.

Sounds like government tit to me.

Yup. Or its her getting some of the money back she paid in in 30 yrs
of working and paying taxes. Shrug..as I told Tubby Timmy..if you dont
like the rules, change em. Then grab a shovel and help me bury her.

I wasn't talking about her you damed idiot.

You are getting really unstable. Make up your mind, or consult a
mental health professional (which is my main suggestion)

Why should I follow your advice? Your qualifications are?

As to my compassion for her condition..deal with it. While I
understand that compassion is an alien word to you..its something that
most humans have.

Compassion? Sounds like the government tit to me.

See response above.

Ditto.


She never used drugs (though where you got that from, or why you keep
bringing that lie up escapes me).

Quite frankly Lard Ass, you are a tiresome bigot of the first water,
who managed to be in the right time and the right place, where others
with your same abilities were not. So I suggest the occasional
sacrifice to Hermes may be in order on your part.

Gunner

A psudoLiberterian.

And you sir, are an asshole. Shrug. You have my addy, if you wish to
continue this in person. Bring a lunch and a designated driver or next
of kin.

Hell gunner, you're doing good to walk out to your truck. I don't pick
on the phisically or mentally channenged. You give as good as you
get, so quit ****in and moaning about it.


Bring your lunch, and we shall see who can walk the walk.

Lunch? I'll just eat yours.

What a ****ing baby.

Snivel all you want, asshole.

Hey, it was you who had the smart assed comments about my wife. Just
goes to show, you reap what you sow. You want sympathy, go to Sue.

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 18:11:52 GMT, Sue wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 09:43:06 -0700, Tim May
wrote:

In article , Bob Brock
wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 01:19:00 GMT, Gunner
wrote:

On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 15:22:46 -0700, Tim May
wrote:

You mean the Veteran's Administration is responsible for the $400,000
bill he says his wife (or what he sometimes calls his "ex-wife") ran
up?

Nope..she is responsible for that. I only provide a place for her to
live. In return, she keeps my home in somewhat good order and takes
care of my critters. Period. We are still separated in actual fact.

If you are living together, it would appear that you are living
together.

And I can't find a comment (or a public record, though the Net is
notorious for not having most such records yet on file) that they
actually obtained a formal (legal) divorce. Gunner (Mark Wieber, for
the purposes of searching for records) described in detail how his wife
left in 1976 to live with some guy named Carl Wyatt, how they partied
and caroused and how she got pregnant and how Gunner then took her
back. And how she went to another guy, and some women, and another guy,
and Carl again, and then how she drained his remaining assets.

But nowhere do I find a clear statement that she and Gunner were
legally divorced.

Why is it so important for you to even look? How silly.


Which, if they were not divorced (or if her co-residence with him was
long enough to constitute a common law marriage), then in fact Gunner
is also responsible for her medical bills as well (which Gunner says
are about $400,000).

a good deal snipped

"snip 7 years of financial fiascos climaxed by 4 surgeries for boy,
loss of kidney to birth defect uncaught by doctors. No insurance)

"Year unknown. Wife gets bored once again... Locates and proceeds to
have a 5
...."


(rest not included...too depressing, even for me)

Depressing? For you? Sounds to me as though you're enjoying it
thoroughly otherwise why bother to bring it all up?
Sue

Because it's true?

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 18:14:40 GMT, Gunner
wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 09:43:06 -0700, Tim May
wrote:

In article , Bob Brock
wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 01:19:00 GMT, Gunner
wrote:

On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 15:22:46 -0700, Tim May
wrote:

Tim..you are not that far from me. Id suggest you ease up on the talk
of my family members. Pick on me all you want..but if you keep
bringing my family into the conversation..I may decide to make you a
hobby.
While its ok for me to complain about her..its not your place to do so
or is it honorable. I suggest you cease forthwith.

You had no problems talking about my current wife. What's the matter,
you can't take what you dish out?

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 18:14:40 GMT, Gunner
wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 09:43:06 -0700, Tim May
wrote:

In article , Bob Brock
wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 01:19:00 GMT, Gunner
wrote:

On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 15:22:46 -0700, Tim May
wrote:

Tim..you are not that far from me. Id suggest you ease up on the talk
of my family members. Pick on me all you want..but if you keep
bringing my family into the conversation..I may decide to make you a
hobby.
While its ok for me to complain about her..its not your place to do so
or is it honorable. I suggest you cease forthwith.

You're a little entertainin with your made up facts and lopsided
logic. I must warn you though. My sweety will be arriving on the
21st. When that happens, your lunatic rantings will drop right off
the radar screen.

You said..

Your Thai boytoy is clearing immigration on the 21st? Congratulations!
I hope the two of you are very happy together.

-----------------------------

Now, you want to whine like a bitch because someone quoted you in
regards to your wife/ex-wife/live in friend or whatever the hell she
is? Hey, at least it's not made up racial slurs.

Gunner wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 06:05:21 -0700, Garlicdude
wrote:

Gunner wrote:

If you ever feel the need, come on down to Taft some weekend, and Ill
run you and the missus through the accelerated self defense course.
Just bring some Mt. Dew and a couple hundred rounds of ammo for your
sidearms. I teach several different techniques.

Gunner


Gunner, Thanks for the generous offer, just might do that one day.
After a hard day of training we can hit the night in beautiful downtown
Taft.

Better yet..we go to Bakersfield to Trouts, Rockin Rodeo, or Buck
Owen's Crystal Palace.

Gunner

That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's
cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays
there.
- George Orwell


Gunner, I bet they roll the streets up in Taft at 10:00 P.M. on Fridays
and Saturday nights. What's the population of Taft nowdays?


Regards,
Steve


--
Regards,
Steve Saling
aka The Garlic Dude ©
Gilroy, CA
The Garlic Capital of The World
http://www.pulsareng.com/

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 09:43:06 -0700, Tim May
wrote:

In article , Bob Brock
wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 01:19:00 GMT, Gunner
wrote:

On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 15:22:46 -0700, Tim May
wrote:

You mean the Veteran's Administration is responsible for the $400,000
bill he says his wife (or what he sometimes calls his "ex-wife") ran
up?

Nope..she is responsible for that. I only provide a place for her to
live. In return, she keeps my home in somewhat good order and takes
care of my critters. Period. We are still separated in actual fact.

If you are living together, it would appear that you are living
together.

And I can't find a comment (or a public record, though the Net is
notorious for not having most such records yet on file) that they
actually obtained a formal (legal) divorce. Gunner (Mark Wieber, for
the purposes of searching for records) described in detail how his wife
left in 1976 to live with some guy named Carl Wyatt, how they partied
and caroused and how she got pregnant and how Gunner then took her
back. And how she went to another guy, and some women, and another guy,
and Carl again, and then how she drained his remaining assets.

But nowhere do I find a clear statement that she and Gunner were
legally divorced.

Which, if they were not divorced (or if her co-residence with him was
long enough to constitute a common law marriage), then in fact Gunner
is also responsible for her medical bills as well (which Gunner says
are about $400,000).

I have ended relationships for situations which are about 150 times
less bad than what Gunner described happened first in 1976 and then
many times later. It's clear his wife/ex-wife/whatever treated him like
a toilet and that he put up with it. Weird.


Furthermore, she is disabled for life, unfortunately and is unable to
provide for herself financially. She is considered by the State to be
indigent, and indigent for life. If you don't like the States terms
or criteria..please feel free to change the rules by which she is
subject.

Sounds like government tit to me.

Yep. Even while Gunner was writing dozens of rants a week (someone said
he averaged 30 posts per day for the past year, but I haven't checked
this out) about the evils of socialism and the moral principles of not
taking other people's money, his wife was consuming $400,000 in
taxpayer-paid medical care and is (probably) now collecting a monthly
disability check...it may be what Gunner is living on.


As to my compassion for her condition..deal with it. While I
understand that compassion is an alien word to you..its something that
most humans have.

Compassion? Sounds like the government tit to me.


She never used drugs (though where you got that from, or why you keep
bringing that lie up escapes me).

Gunner spoke of his methamphetamine-using son (Richard, by the father
Carl Wyatt) and of his wife's partying binges in the mid-70s and later.
With the talk of group sex, partying, multiple boyfriends,
methamphetamines, etc., I think it's _reasonable_ (in fact, I would put
the odds at 99.9%) to assume the wife was doing her share of what was
common in that environment in the mid-70s and into the Things Go Better
with Coke era.

But I will no longer cite her as a druggie, though her son certainly
was. A slut, for sure. A slut who treated Gunner as a toilet,
definately.

Here's one quote from (misc.survivalism, 2000-06-21):

"1976 Wife gets bored. Takes credit card, and spends 3 days partying,
and meets new fellow. (Carl Wyatt). Affair lasts 5 months.. at which
point she finds she's pregnant. Husband (me) boots her ass out when
finding out she is pregnant with another mans child, and maxing the
credit card out on motel rooms, booze and room service (He was married,
so she paid for the room..or rather, I did)

"In her 9th month of pregnancy.. she shows up, belly out to there, and
asks to come home until the baby is born. Two weeks later, I hold her
hand in the delivery room, then sign the birth certificate with my name
as the father.

"snip 6 years of financial fiascos and 2 surgerys for the boy...no
insurance)

"She gets bored again.. has an affair with Carl for 4 months before I
find out. The she has an affair with Al Quatroche for 3 months where
she explores her sexuality, in group sex, bi sex etc. I sit home, baby
sitting. She then apparently tired of all the fun and games (the boy
friends got tired of her and sent her home) and came home declaring
undying love. I of course, take her in.

"snip 7 years of financial fiascos climaxed by 4 surgeries for boy,
loss of kidney to birth defect uncaught by doctors. No insurance)

"Year unknown. Wife gets bored once again... Locates and proceeds to
have a 5
...."

(rest not included...too depressing, even for me)


So Gunner has had some problems and heartache... so gunner showed
compassion to a woman who was thoughtless, screwed up and out of
controll.. so Gunner showed kindness to some ******* kid that you
would have aborted and flushed down the toilet... So Gunner made some
bad decisions.... or did he?

Has Tim May ever made bad decision, showed compassion or done anything
for anyone who didn't deserve it?

Every helped someone who didn't deserve help Tim..

Every throw a quarter to some homeless girl or guy on the street...?

Ever pick up a stray dog and take it in...?

Ever done anything but kiss your own big fat ass??

If you wait long enough.. old Gunner will go down again.. then you can
dredge up all the stupid things he has done.. remind everybody how
screwed up his life has been..all the mistakes he has made... but
always include showing compassion to that litle kid.. that you would
have flushed down the toilet...a nd that woman who came to him out of
desperation... and Gunner helped...

Lets see.. in a tight spot.. screw up.. lost.. helpless...??

I had rather know a guy like Gunner over a Tim May.. any day


Mike

The Lord created all things. Then on His day of rest,
from the mouth of an ass he made Tim May. And He sent
Tim out of the Garden saying: Go forth and prove
your hardness and depravity with many words and much noise.

In article , Bob Brock
wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 18:11:52 GMT, Sue wrote:



(rest not included...too depressing, even for me)

Depressing? For you? Sounds to me as though you're enjoying it
thoroughly otherwise why bother to bring it all up?
Sue

Because it's true?


Because Gunner is precisely why we have so much government, so much
cradle-to-grave coddling, such a screwed-up health system, and such
outrageous taxes.

You see, after his six years of ranting (maybe longer, but he mainly
starts showing up as "Gunner" in 1998) about "cripples collecting SSI,"
about "Canucks coming down here to escape socialized medicine," about
government, taxes, handouts, welfare, liberals, commies, etc., well, it
turns out that Gunner has been a major recipient of largesse from the
tit of the government.

It's hilarious to see him claim that I got where I am because of "luck"
and "being in the right place at the right time."

Utter nonsense. I was an engineer like millions of others. Most of my
later wealth came from saving and investing a large fraction of my pay,
not from some kind of "founder's stock" at Intel. In fact, for most of
my career at Intel the stock was relatively stagnant...it barely budged
my last several (and highest earning, naturally) years there. When I
left in '86, I left the previous 4 years' worth of stock options "on
the table," as the exercise price was higher than the market price.

No, my wealth came from putting 20% of my pay into various stocks I
picked with great care--I bought Apple stock the day after the Mac was
introduced, and it made me a tidy sum. I bought Sun Microsystems,
Oracle, Qualcomm, and even Intel, out of my own pocket.

Gunner describes _repeated_ incidents where his trailer trash slut of a
wife "maxed out his credit cards" and "stuck him with the hotel bill
for her partying" and how she shacked-up with and partied with Carl
Wyatt and some other guy and some women even (her "bi" years).

Analyzing what he said about her partying and pregnancy, the years this
happened, her son's heart problems and ADD, odds are very high that the
son Richard's problems were caused by "substance abuse" during her
pregnancy. This is precisely the sort of behavior-induced costs that
the Old Gunner used to rail about in his rants.

Had Gunner kicked her out after she cuckolded him (on multiple
occasions, and over a many-year period), he could have invested in
stocks and done fairly well. Or he could have gotten out of Taft--a
place he admits has no jobs for him--or he could have gotten retrained.

Hell, some friends of mine took a far smaller amount of money than what
his wife squandered and started a business in essentially the
mechanical CAD market that Gunner _should_have been following closely
(if he was really in the CNC business, that is). They called their
company Autodesk. Located up in my area, a bit to the north.

Others here have described how they work hard to pay $800 a month for
medical insurance, or even more. The point is, they work and they pay.
They don't expect something for nothing, as Gunner and his sympathizers
do.

Gunner described one episode where he gave his wife some money to have
their dog spayed...then he wondered why litters kept on coming. (My
hunch: the money went to partying.) Does Gunner never look at cancelled
checks, or receipts from the vet, does he not talk to the vet himself?
This is just one of many examples where it appears that Gunner has
absolutely no sense of money and how to budget it. Likewise, he
describes driving for 4 hours, round-trip, to do a one-hour service
call which doesn't even pay for his gas. Silly.

He need to dump the slut of a wife/ex-wife/whatever, tell the other
guy's crack baby to get his and wife's butt out, and then he needs to
move out of Taft and move to where real jobs are.

And he needs to stop lecturing us about the evils of socialized
medicine and how Clinton destroyed all the good blue collar jobs. And
he needs to stop excusing his incredily poor life and money decisions
and resolve to make better ones in the future.


And if he steals our money, we should condemn him for it, not natter
about "compassion." That's how we got into this sorry mess we're in, as
a country, by nattering about compassion and by excusing people for
their bad choices and then raising taxes to subsidize their crummy
choices.

As for his claiming that I "just got lucky," that whole mindset is
precisely the problem. He's been a socialist the whole time.

--Tim May

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 18:57:57 GMT, Santa Cruz Mike
wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 09:43:06 -0700, Tim May
wrote:

In article , Bob Brock
wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 01:19:00 GMT, Gunner
wrote:

On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 15:22:46 -0700, Tim May
wrote:

You mean the Veteran's Administration is responsible for the $400,000
bill he says his wife (or what he sometimes calls his "ex-wife") ran
up?

Nope..she is responsible for that. I only provide a place for her to
live. In return, she keeps my home in somewhat good order and takes
care of my critters. Period. We are still separated in actual fact.

If you are living together, it would appear that you are living
together.

And I can't find a comment (or a public record, though the Net is
notorious for not having most such records yet on file) that they
actually obtained a formal (legal) divorce. Gunner (Mark Wieber, for
the purposes of searching for records) described in detail how his wife
left in 1976 to live with some guy named Carl Wyatt, how they partied
and caroused and how she got pregnant and how Gunner then took her
back. And how she went to another guy, and some women, and another guy,
and Carl again, and then how she drained his remaining assets.

But nowhere do I find a clear statement that she and Gunner were
legally divorced.

Which, if they were not divorced (or if her co-residence with him was
long enough to constitute a common law marriage), then in fact Gunner
is also responsible for her medical bills as well (which Gunner says
are about $400,000).

I have ended relationships for situations which are about 150 times
less bad than what Gunner described happened first in 1976 and then
many times later. It's clear his wife/ex-wife/whatever treated him like
a toilet and that he put up with it. Weird.


Furthermore, she is disabled for life, unfortunately and is unable to
provide for herself financially. She is considered by the State to be
indigent, and indigent for life. If you don't like the States terms
or criteria..please feel free to change the rules by which she is
subject.

Sounds like government tit to me.

Yep. Even while Gunner was writing dozens of rants a week (someone said
he averaged 30 posts per day for the past year, but I haven't checked
this out) about the evils of socialism and the moral principles of not
taking other people's money, his wife was consuming $400,000 in
taxpayer-paid medical care and is (probably) now collecting a monthly
disability check...it may be what Gunner is living on.


As to my compassion for her condition..deal with it. While I
understand that compassion is an alien word to you..its something that
most humans have.

Compassion? Sounds like the government tit to me.


She never used drugs (though where you got that from, or why you keep
bringing that lie up escapes me).

Gunner spoke of his methamphetamine-using son (Richard, by the father
Carl Wyatt) and of his wife's partying binges in the mid-70s and later.
With the talk of group sex, partying, multiple boyfriends,
methamphetamines, etc., I think it's _reasonable_ (in fact, I would put
the odds at 99.9%) to assume the wife was doing her share of what was
common in that environment in the mid-70s and into the Things Go Better
with Coke era.

But I will no longer cite her as a druggie, though her son certainly
was. A slut, for sure. A slut who treated Gunner as a toilet,
definately.

Here's one quote from (misc.survivalism, 2000-06-21):

"1976 Wife gets bored. Takes credit card, and spends 3 days partying,
and meets new fellow. (Carl Wyatt). Affair lasts 5 months.. at which
point she finds she's pregnant. Husband (me) boots her ass out when
finding out she is pregnant with another mans child, and maxing the
credit card out on motel rooms, booze and room service (He was married,
so she paid for the room..or rather, I did)

"In her 9th month of pregnancy.. she shows up, belly out to there, and
asks to come home until the baby is born. Two weeks later, I hold her
hand in the delivery room, then sign the birth certificate with my name
as the father.

"snip 6 years of financial fiascos and 2 surgerys for the boy...no
insurance)

"She gets bored again.. has an affair with Carl for 4 months before I
find out. The she has an affair with Al Quatroche for 3 months where
she explores her sexuality, in group sex, bi sex etc. I sit home, baby
sitting. She then apparently tired of all the fun and games (the boy
friends got tired of her and sent her home) and came home declaring
undying love. I of course, take her in.

"snip 7 years of financial fiascos climaxed by 4 surgeries for boy,
loss of kidney to birth defect uncaught by doctors. No insurance)

"Year unknown. Wife gets bored once again... Locates and proceeds to
have a 5
...."

(rest not included...too depressing, even for me)


So Gunner has had some problems and heartache... so gunner showed
compassion to a woman who was thoughtless, screwed up and out of
controll.. so Gunner showed kindness to some ******* kid that you
would have aborted and flushed down the toilet... So Gunner made some
bad decisions.... or did he?

Has Tim May ever made bad decision, showed compassion or done anything
for anyone who didn't deserve it?

No
..

Every helped someone who didn't deserve help Tim..

No


Every throw a quarter to some homeless girl or guy on the street...?

No


Ever pick up a stray dog and take it in...?

No


Ever done anything but kiss your own big fat ass??

No
Wow, that was the easiest quiz I ever took.
Sue


If you wait long enough.. old Gunner will go down again.. then you can
dredge up all the stupid things he has done.. remind everybody how
screwed up his life has been..all the mistakes he has made... but
always include showing compassion to that litle kid.. that you would
have flushed down the toilet...a nd that woman who came to him out of
desperation... and Gunner helped...

Lets see.. in a tight spot.. screw up.. lost.. helpless...??

I had rather know a guy like Gunner over a Tim May.. any day


Mike

The Lord created all things. Then on His day of rest,
from the mouth of an ass he made Tim May. And He sent
Tim out of the Garden saying: Go forth and prove
your hardness and depravity with many words and much noise.

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 14:46:34 -0400, Bob Brock
wrote:

You're a little entertainin with your made up facts and lopsided
logic. I must warn you though. My sweety will be arriving on the
21st. When that happens, your lunatic rantings will drop right off
the radar screen.

You said..

Your Thai boytoy is clearing immigration on the 21st? Congratulations!
I hope the two of you are very happy together.

-----------------------------

Now, you want to whine like a bitch because someone quoted you in
regards to your wife/ex-wife/live in friend or whatever the hell she
is? Hey, at least it's not made up racial slurs.


Bob.. do you really have a little Thai boy toy??

MIke

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 18:14:40 GMT, Gunner
wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 09:43:06 -0700, Tim May
wrote:

In article , Bob Brock
wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 01:19:00 GMT, Gunner
wrote:

On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 15:22:46 -0700, Tim May
wrote:

Tim..you are not that far from me. Id suggest you ease up on the talk
of my family members. Pick on me all you want..but if you keep
bringing my family into the conversation..I may decide to make you a
hobby.


**** off, Gunner. You made these comments. You posted your name, you
even made it a point to post your home address (which I have not copied
in any of my posts, by the way).

You wrote long pieces, publicly posted, available to all, detailing
your wife's cuckolding activities, her sleazoid boyfriend Carl Wyatt,
that other guy, the women she experimented with, the group sex, the
defective son she gave birth to, the jobs you said you lost because of
her, even how you "babysat" her son, and couldn't work, while she was
partying and sleeping around.

This is relevant because you have been lecturing the world on moral
values and the need to stop socialized medicine. Now it turns out you
hope to benefit and not pay your debts.

You can "make me your hobby" any damned way you want to, provided you
don't act physically against me. You can write letters to your local
newspaper, you can write 30 rants a day denouncing me. But if you think
you're going to threaten me physically, guess again.

If I find you on or near my property, I'll shoot first, without any
polite warnings, because of your threats here and earlier. And these
postings, here, will establish what your intentions were with your
"decide to make you a hobby" threats.

--Tim May

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 13:27:30 GMT, Marty Escarcega
wrote:

Gunner, does this mean your aren't coming to Phoenix?
:-)

Get back up to speed soon, though knowing you, you're probably forcing
yourself already....

Marty

The customer decided on a cheaper course of repair..he boxed up the
control of the lathe and shipped it to the factory.

I did putter about in the shop last night. Fixed a fellows mig welder,
got the little Kitamura turret lathe running..but took it all slow and
easy, with freguent rests. Ill putter about out there again today.
Its gonna be another hot and humid one..so Ill take it even easier.

Gunner

That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's
cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays
there.
- George Orwell

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 10:40:37 -0400, axolotl
wrote:

Gunner wrote:

Just bring some Mt. Dew and a couple hundred rounds of ammo for your
sidearms.

Mountain Dew is in the jetwash of your past. Better make it Sprite.


(Aunt) Kevin Gallimore


Fanta is in the jetwash of my past.

Anyone here remember Fanta? Served at 110F and 110% humitity?

Blech...I even prefered Koolaid....least out of a canteen, it would
cover the taste of the water purifyer.

Gunner









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That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's
cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays
there.
- George Orwell

On 20 Jun 2004 07:33:28 -0700, jim rozen
wrote:

In article , Gunner says...

Really? Define neocon.

Neocon = chickenhawk. That would be a guy like Cheney who
likes war well enough to start one, but would never be caught dead
actually fighting in one.

Then that certainly doesnt apply to me.

Chickenhawk in this context *not* used to refer to
Robert Mason's book about helicopter pilots.

Jim

Perhaps reading this, might clear things up for you....

http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north151.html

Gunner
That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's
cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays
there.
- George Orwell

On 20 Jun 2004 07:22:30 -0700, jim rozen
wrote:

In article , Gunner says...

Something to consider, that is taught to cops and those who may be in
harms way is the Tuller Drill. Keep your rubber gun in your holster,
and have a gent with a rubber knife stand 21 feet away. On the knife
mans inititive, he runs at you with his rubber knife and tries to
stab/cut/kill you. ( I like to use permanant Magic Marker as the
knife).

Sounds like the 21 feet is the carnival trick to the deal. It says
how fast a man can run vs how fast one can remove the weapon and
aim it.


Ayup..much to many peoples dismay.


When doing this, is the shooter allowed to start running away from
the knife-wielder while drawing his weapon?

Jim

GOOD MAN!... Thats the key...run backwards just as fast as you can
and keep removing your weapon from the holster. Most Tueller drill
participants at first simply stand there like a stone.

"Move away from your attacker. Distance is your friend. (Lateral and
diagonal movements are preferred.) "

A further link you may find intersting...
http://www.thegunzone.com/edged_weapons_defense.html


Also"

Rules For Gun Fighting

Bring a gun. Preferably, bring at least two guns. Bring all of your
friends who have guns.

Anything worth shooting is worth shooting twice. Ammo is cheap. Life
is expensive.

Only hits count. A close miss is still a miss.

If your shooting stance is good, you're probably not moving fast
enough nor using cover correctly.

Move away from your attacker. Distance is your friend. (Lateral and
diagonal movements are preferred.)

If you can choose what to bring to a gunfight, bring a long gun and a
friend with a long gun.

In ten years nobody will remember the details of caliber, stance, or
tactics.
They will only remember who lived.

If you are not shooting, you should be communic- ating, reloading, and
running.

Accuracy is relative: most combat shooting standards will be more
dependent on "pucker factor" than the inherent accuracy of the gun.

Use a gun that works EVERY TIME.

Someday someone may kill you with your own gun, but they should have
to beat you to death with it because it is empty.

Always cheat = always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose.

Have a plan.

Have a back-up plan, because the first one won't work.

Use cover and concealment as much as possible.

Flank your adversary when possible. Protect yours.

Don't drop your guard.

Always tactically reload and threat scan 360 degrees.

Watch their hands. Hands kill. (In God we trust. Everyone else, keep
your hands where I can see them).

Decide to be AGGRESSIVE enough, QUICKLY enough.

The faster you finish the fight, the less shot up you will get.

Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you
meet.

Be courteous to everyone, friendly to no one.

Do not attend a gunfight with a handgun, the caliber of which does not
start with a "4".

That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's
cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays
there.
- George Orwell

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 12:24:11 -0700, Tim May
wrote:


On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 18:14:40 GMT, Gunner
wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 09:43:06 -0700, Tim May
wrote:

In article , Bob Brock
wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 01:19:00 GMT, Gunner
wrote:

On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 15:22:46 -0700, Tim May
wrote:

Tim..you are not that far from me. Id suggest you ease up on the talk
of my family members. Pick on me all you want..but if you keep
bringing my family into the conversation..I may decide to make you a
hobby.


**** off, Gunner. You made these comments. You posted your name, you
even made it a point to post your home address (which I have not copied
in any of my posts, by the way).

You wrote long pieces, publicly posted, available to all, detailing
your wife's cuckolding activities, her sleazoid boyfriend Carl Wyatt,
that other guy, the women she experimented with, the group sex, the
defective son she gave birth to, the jobs you said you lost because of
her, even how you "babysat" her son, and couldn't work, while she was
partying and sleeping around.

This is relevant because you have been lecturing the world on moral
values and the need to stop socialized medicine. Now it turns out you
hope to benefit and not pay your debts.

You can "make me your hobby" any damned way you want to, provided you
don't act physically against me. You can write letters to your local
newspaper, you can write 30 rants a day denouncing me. But if you think
you're going to threaten me physically, guess again.

If I find you on or near my property, I'll shoot first, without any
polite warnings, because of your threats here and earlier. And these
postings, here, will establish what your intentions were with your
"decide to make you a hobby" threats.

--Tim May


Target Practrice

click Here

http://www.mccullagh.org/image/1/tim.html

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 18:21:03 GMT, Sue calmly
ranted:

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 08:57:50 -0700, Larry Jaques

I thought our pincushiony friend, Gunner, said you were a calendar
girl, so I assumed... wink

Chuckle. If either he or you saw me you'd understand how ridiculous
*that* is. G Hint: at 50 he's a youngster compared to me.

Oh, THAT kind of calendar girl. (movie reference implied)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0337909/


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On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 11:22:23 -0700, Offbreed
wrote:

Gunner wrote:

Really? Define neocon. I always thought neocon was a liberal who
voted to fight a war, and was used as a slur by Leftists to label
those they consider traitors to the Leftist cause.

I finally got a definition of "neocon" from someone in a position to
know it's origin, and what was meant by it.

It originally referred to Jews who are not "socialists" or "liberals".

English is a living language and modifies over time. In my childhood,
"faggot" meant a bundle of sticks.

I don't think you qualify.

With it's current use, I think that he does.

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 19:21:36 GMT, Santa Cruz Mike
wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 14:46:34 -0400, Bob Brock
wrote:

You're a little entertainin with your made up facts and lopsided
logic. I must warn you though. My sweety will be arriving on the
21st. When that happens, your lunatic rantings will drop right off
the radar screen.

You said..

Your Thai boytoy is clearing immigration on the 21st? Congratulations!
I hope the two of you are very happy together.

-----------------------------

Now, you want to whine like a bitch because someone quoted you in
regards to your wife/ex-wife/live in friend or whatever the hell she
is? Hey, at least it's not made up racial slurs.


Bob.. do you really have a little Thai boy toy??

MIke


No, gummer lives too far away. ;-)

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 14:13:42 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 18:21:03 GMT, Sue calmly
ranted:

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 08:57:50 -0700, Larry Jaques

I thought our pincushiony friend, Gunner, said you were a calendar
girl, so I assumed... wink

Chuckle. If either he or you saw me you'd understand how ridiculous
*that* is. G Hint: at 50 he's a youngster compared to me.

Oh, THAT kind of calendar girl. (movie reference implied)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0337909/


That's more like it!!! I don't quite have their moxie though.
Sue

Gunner it would appear that you are both lucky and skilled.

Now quit ****ing smoking you putz!!!!

Y

In article , Gunner says...

When doing this, is the shooter allowed to start running away from
the knife-wielder while drawing his weapon?

GOOD MAN!... Thats the key...run backwards just as fast as you can
and keep removing your weapon from the holster. Most Tueller drill
participants at first simply stand there like a stone.

I dunno, if somebody was chasing me with a knife I might just
keep right on running as long as there was some runway.

Jim

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GeoffH wrote:

snip

Oh..and I will be quitting smoking (or trying really hard) as I need
lead a bit more healthy a life style. Shrug..this is gonna be a total
bitch and will likely be harder than undergoing the other stuff..I
have quit 14 times before...sigh...

You WILL NOT regret this move.
I didn't.
It reached fever pitch for me about 3 weeks after getting out of
hospital.
Sunday evening around 8pm my nerves where jangling from nicotine
deprivation. Ready to climb up the wall.
Decided to go to our corner shop/store to buy a pack of 10 smokes just
to kill the craving.
Got to the shop and thank God it was closed.
Took this as a sign and did not walk the mile or so into town to local
supermarket.
Cravings stopped there and then.
For the next couple of years it was just a case of "something missing"
after a meal or coffee etc, all craving gone.
After 4 years just a total relief that I had stopped smoking.
Absolutely the best thing I could have done!!
Now I cannot stand being in a smokey room or even around anyone that
is or has smoked.
You will know what I mean in the months and years to come.
This intense dislike grew and didn't happen overnight.

I wonder how common this dislike is in ex-smokers.

I quit smoking 24 years ago after having been a moderate smoker for
perhaps 15 years. Today I can't stand the smell of cigarette smoke. I
find it to be highly repulsive. As you said Geoff, that dislike grew
over time. During the first year of non-smoking, there were few things
so alluring as the smell of a cigarette. Somewhere along the line, the
allure has been replaced with revulsion.

After I quit, I would occasionally dreams of smoking. Those dreams
lasted for about ten years.

Today, 24 years after my last Marlboro, I am afraid that all it would
take to get me right back into the habit is one cigarette.

Anyhow: Welcome back Gunner. Glad to see that you are recovering so
quickly.

George.

I lead a normal life and just watch salt and fat intake.
Not easy in the UK where all processed food is saturated with the
stuff.
Only time I think of it is when I am out walking in cold weather and
slight angina sets in if I walk too fast.
When I see what could have happened to me, I sure am happy.
Get well soon and do give up the weed.
Regards
GeoffH
Norfolk - UK not VA

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 18:31:44 -0500, George
wrote:

GeoffH wrote:

snip

Oh..and I will be quitting smoking (or trying really hard) as I need
lead a bit more healthy a life style. Shrug..this is gonna be a total
bitch and will likely be harder than undergoing the other stuff..I
have quit 14 times before...sigh...

You WILL NOT regret this move.
I didn't.
It reached fever pitch for me about 3 weeks after getting out of
hospital.
Sunday evening around 8pm my nerves where jangling from nicotine
deprivation. Ready to climb up the wall.
Decided to go to our corner shop/store to buy a pack of 10 smokes just
to kill the craving.
Got to the shop and thank God it was closed.
Took this as a sign and did not walk the mile or so into town to local
supermarket.
Cravings stopped there and then.
For the next couple of years it was just a case of "something missing"
after a meal or coffee etc, all craving gone.
After 4 years just a total relief that I had stopped smoking.
Absolutely the best thing I could have done!!
Now I cannot stand being in a smokey room or even around anyone that
is or has smoked.
You will know what I mean in the months and years to come.
This intense dislike grew and didn't happen overnight.

I wonder how common this dislike is in ex-smokers.

Some ex-smokers are really verbally obnoxious. I can understand not
wanting to smell the smoke or be around it for whatever reason, but
most seem to make it their life's work to stop everyone else from
smoking, too, regardless of whether the smoking is taking place in
their vicinity. It really isn't necessary for them to go on and on
about the evils of smoking as I'm pretty sure we all know them by now.
It's nothing but sanctimoniousness. Sorta like someone who has found
a new religion. I'd quite once for 8 years and never criticized
anyone for their choice to smoke. My ex-husband continued to smoke
but I didn't mind (I minded him but not his smoking).
I have a friend who quit 6 years ago (3 packs a day) and she never
says anything to anyone and actually likes the smell.
Anyway, good luck to Gunner in the battle. I suspect that sometime
soon I'll be in his shoes. And, to whomever may wish to reply to that
statement, it's none of your business. )
Sue
(I've been trying to pare down the NGs that these posts go to but I
don't know from where George is posting and believe it to be rude to
respond to someone when they can't see the response)

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 03:27:05 +0000, Gunner wrote:


Oddly enough..when they went in the second time for the actual
angioplasty..the big high tech heart center used the two large
orderlies for the pressure. The country hospital used the C clamp.
After being badly bruised up from the angiogram the day before..it was
a bit tender. 3 grains of morphine only took the top layer off. I
asked the orderly to back off a smidge..and he didnt. I then TOLD him
to back off a bit..and when he didnt. I recall grabbing him by the
back of the belt and hoisting him off the floor one handed. Pain=
adrenalin..and it really really really really hurt. I ran though my
entire vocabularly of nasty words in 5 languages, causing a very
diverse group of staff to variously bust up laughing, get all puffed
up or blush. My lungs are good and I simply lost control..so they
closed the doors to that wing. I understand that they heard me at the
front lobby upstairs. Probably considered it bad for business ...

Surprisingly enough (from our viewpoint) those applying the pressure don't
seem at all interested in relaxing the pressure a bit. I wasn't loud, well
at least I think I wasn't, but I do remember the nurse saying that, "I'm
sorry but the orders don't call for more pain medication" just before I
grabbed both of her wrists and lifted her up and that with two others
trying to keep me from doing so. Interestingly, a few minutes later the
orders got changed and I lost all interest in the proceedings.

--
The instructions said to use Windows 98 or better, so I installed RedHat.

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 11:49:53 -0700, Garlicdude
wrote:

Gunner wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 06:05:21 -0700, Garlicdude
wrote:

Gunner wrote:

If you ever feel the need, come on down to Taft some weekend, and Ill
run you and the missus through the accelerated self defense course.
Just bring some Mt. Dew and a couple hundred rounds of ammo for your
sidearms. I teach several different techniques.

Gunner


Gunner, Thanks for the generous offer, just might do that one day.
After a hard day of training we can hit the night in beautiful downtown
Taft.

Better yet..we go to Bakersfield to Trouts, Rockin Rodeo, or Buck
Owen's Crystal Palace.

Gunner

That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's
cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays
there.
- George Orwell


Gunner, I bet they roll the streets up in Taft at 10:00 P.M. on Fridays
and Saturday nights. What's the population of Taft nowdays?

One of the few places where property values are going down, not up, Im
afraid.

When I moved here in 83, the environs were around 40,000. Now I think
its around 18,000.

Trapped....sigh.

Regards,
Steve

That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's
cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays
there.
- George Orwell

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 14:03:48 -0400, Bob Brock
wrote:


Seems like I hit a nerve. I love watchin you twitch.

Nah, you hit a nerve when I found someone after my wife died and you
made your smart assed comments about it when I found someone else.

????????? Sure it was me? Thats something to celibrate, not hammer
somone for. Congrats on your new partner. Ive been living with the
potential death of my wife since 2000. Rough.

You are worthless as a survivalist. Hell, you can't survive in the
normal world without intervention and the government tit.

Yawn. You know where I live. Wanna prove your claim?

I like watching you twitch too, so perhaps the government subsidy was
worth it in entertainment value.

What ever works for you.

Gunner

That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's
cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays
there.
- George Orwell

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 11:22:23 -0700, Offbreed
wrote:

Gunner wrote:

Really? Define neocon. I always thought neocon was a liberal who
voted to fight a war, and was used as a slur by Leftists to label
those they consider traitors to the Leftist cause.

I finally got a definition of "neocon" from someone in a position to
know it's origin, and what was meant by it.

It originally referred to Jews who are not "socialists" or "liberals".

I don't think you qualify.

Shalom.

Gunner

That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's
cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays
there.
- George Orwell

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 17:24:28 -0400, Bob Brock
wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 11:22:23 -0700, Offbreed
wrote:

Gunner wrote:

Really? Define neocon. I always thought neocon was a liberal who
voted to fight a war, and was used as a slur by Leftists to label
those they consider traitors to the Leftist cause.

I finally got a definition of "neocon" from someone in a position to
know it's origin, and what was meant by it.

It originally referred to Jews who are not "socialists" or "liberals".

English is a living language and modifies over time. In my childhood,
"faggot" meant a bundle of sticks.

I don't think you qualify.

With it's current use, I think that he does.

So then you must qualify for "sleazy, cumstained mustache licking,
commode drinking, low life gutter trash"

It meant something slightly different yesterday. Shrug.

Gunner


That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's
cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays
there.
- George Orwell

On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 07:06:16 GMT, Gunner
wrote:

For those of you who emailed or wished me well, many many many thanks.
Im very touched by the concern of everyone. Its good to know Im
either well liked, or for those who dont, they didnt want a thread
opponent to disappear G

A bit of an explaination of what very unexpectedly happened to "good
ol hard as a rock Gunner". (ouch..sigh)

snipped.....

Ignoring the rest of the debate in this thread, which is silly stuff.

Glad you're better, guy. Welcome back.

My best to you and your wife, son, etc.

Yep, quittin smoking will probably be hard. But give it your best
shot.

Bob

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 14:23:21 -0400, Bob Brock
wrote:


You are getting really unstable. Make up your mind, or consult a
mental health professional (which is my main suggestion)

Why should I follow your advice? Your qualifications are?

A good medical background and a firm grip on reality.


As to my compassion for her condition..deal with it. While I
understand that compassion is an alien word to you..its something that
most humans have.

Compassion? Sounds like the government tit to me.

See response above.

Ditto.


She never used drugs (though where you got that from, or why you keep
bringing that lie up escapes me).

Quite frankly Lard Ass, you are a tiresome bigot of the first water,
who managed to be in the right time and the right place, where others
with your same abilities were not. So I suggest the occasional
sacrifice to Hermes may be in order on your part.

Gunner

A psudoLiberterian.

And you sir, are an asshole. Shrug. You have my addy, if you wish to
continue this in person. Bring a lunch and a designated driver or next
of kin.

Hell gunner, you're doing good to walk out to your truck. I don't pick
on the phisically or mentally channenged. You give as good as you
get, so quit ****in and moaning about it.


Bring your lunch, and we shall see who can walk the walk.

Lunch? I'll just eat yours.

Oh indeed. Im sure you will.

What a ****ing baby.

Snivel all you want, asshole.

Hey, it was you who had the smart assed comments about my wife. Just
goes to show, you reap what you sow. You want sympathy, go to Sue.

Please post whatever cites you have on the wife thing. I may indeed
insult your personality, your lack of wit, your sexual deviencey..but
I never attack family.

Gunner

That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's
cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays
there.
- George Orwell

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 14:25:50 -0400, Bob Brock
wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 18:14:40 GMT, Gunner
wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 09:43:06 -0700, Tim May
wrote:

In article , Bob Brock
wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 01:19:00 GMT, Gunner
wrote:

On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 15:22:46 -0700, Tim May
wrote:

Tim..you are not that far from me. Id suggest you ease up on the talk
of my family members. Pick on me all you want..but if you keep
bringing my family into the conversation..I may decide to make you a
hobby.
While its ok for me to complain about her..its not your place to do so
or is it honorable. I suggest you cease forthwith.

You had no problems talking about my current wife. What's the matter,
you can't take what you dish out?

Cites.

Gunner

That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's
cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays
there.
- George Orwell

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 12:24:11 -0700, Tim May
wrote:


If I find you on or near my property, I'll shoot first, without any
polite warnings, because of your threats here and earlier. And these
postings, here, will establish what your intentions were with your
"decide to make you a hobby" threats.

--Tim May

Tim old lard ass..I notice the word "if" used as a conditional
statement. What makes you think there would be an "if"?

Think hard amigo... As to threats...what threats were those? Threats
of violence? Cites? Shucks Tubby, I may want to start up the
California Chapter of the Tim May Fan Club.

Shiva

"What do you call someone in possession of all the facts?
Paranoid.-William Burroughs

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 14:46:34 -0400, Bob Brock
wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 18:14:40 GMT, Gunner
wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 09:43:06 -0700, Tim May
wrote:

In article , Bob Brock
wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 01:19:00 GMT, Gunner
wrote:

On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 15:22:46 -0700, Tim May
wrote:

Tim..you are not that far from me. Id suggest you ease up on the talk
of my family members. Pick on me all you want..but if you keep
bringing my family into the conversation..I may decide to make you a
hobby.
While its ok for me to complain about her..its not your place to do so
or is it honorable. I suggest you cease forthwith.

You're a little entertainin with your made up facts and lopsided
logic. I must warn you though. My sweety will be arriving on the
21st. When that happens, your lunatic rantings will drop right off
the radar screen.

You said..

Your Thai boytoy is clearing immigration on the 21st? Congratulations!
I hope the two of you are very happy together.

-----------------------------

Now, you want to whine like a bitch because someone quoted you in
regards to your wife/ex-wife/live in friend or whatever the hell she
is? Hey, at least it's not made up racial slurs.

This is insulting your wife???????
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Subject: Resistance to Occupation will Grow
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Date: 2003-12-16 01:22:47 PST

This Bob old boyo..is not nationalism..its tribalism at its worst.
Hutu and Tutsi time. But then..I would imagine you were quite happy
with Bill Clinton not doing anything about the mass murders in Rhwanda
as well. Correct? 1.5 million hacked to death, is just fine with you?

You're a little entertainin with your made up facts and lopsided
logic. I must warn you though. My sweety will be arriving on the
21st. When that happens, your lunatic rantings will drop right off
the radar screen.

Your Thai boytoy is clearing immigration on the 21st? Congratulations!
I hope the two of you are very happy together.

Just remember that one man's terrorist is another man's freedom
fighter. You might also take into consideration that Palestine was
liberated decades ago and you see how well that turned out.

Which Palistine, which liberation and from and by whom? That cesspit
has been an open sore for a very long time to a large number of
nations.
******************************************

Is your sweety really a Thai BoyToy? You really are homosexual?
Shrug..whatever floats your boat. I had assumed you were straight,
and that using a gay insult would ..well..be insulting. But
hey...if thats the way you swing..I retract my insult.
Btw...did you somehow find any references to his sexual promiscuity in
that post? Just wondering.

Btw..what happened...why didnt I drop off the radar screen? He go
back to Thailand?

Gunner

That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's
cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays
there.
- George Orwell

On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 07:06:16 GMT, Gunner
wrote:

An interesting side note..to close the hole in the femorial artery
they made..they clamp it closed and you down to the table with this
big assed C clamp for an hour or so, then clamp your leg down for the
next 10 hours so the artery doesnt blow out
Told you so ;-) Glad you're back anyway (and did you get to keep the
clamp?