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Sue
 
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On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 03:27:05 GMT, Gunner
wrote:

On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 12:44:32 -0500, Jim Levie
wrote:

I've had this done twice. Once in '97 for a partially blocked right illiac
artery that caused my right leg to go numb after heavy exercise and then
much later for the "big one". Believe me, the "C clamp" is a vast
improvement over the old procedure. Back then two-three nurses would take
turns manually applying pressure to the incision. Being "good medical
practitioners" they tend to err on the safe side, which means they do
their level best to try to push your leg down through the basement from
the sixth floor. It took some three hours or so and the only redeeming
value was all the "good drugs". Mercifully I slept through a good bit of
it.

By 2001 (three days before 9/11) the technology had improved
significantly. This time they used a "C clamp" with an inflatable pressure
pad. By raising the pressure in the pad to a bit above blood pressure they
can be sure that the artery stays closed. While not at all comfortable,
its a lot more bearable. (and lots of drugs help...)


Oddly enough..when they went in the second time for the actual
angioplasty..the big high tech heart center used the two large
orderlies for the pressure. The country hospital used the C clamp.
After being badly bruised up from the angiogram the day before..it was
a bit tender. 3 grains of morphine only took the top layer off. I
asked the orderly to back off a smidge..and he didnt. I then TOLD him
to back off a bit..and when he didnt. I recall grabbing him by the
back of the belt and hoisting him off the floor one handed. Pain=
adrenalin..and it really really really really hurt. I ran though my
entire vocabularly of nasty words in 5 languages, causing a very
diverse group of staff to variously bust up laughing, get all puffed
up or blush. My lungs are good and I simply lost control..so they
closed the doors to that wing. I understand that they heard me at the
front lobby upstairs. Probably considered it bad for business ...

Shrug..now my entire right leg has pin point hemmatomas from ankle to
groin. Freckles I never had...lol


Whooo. I got my freckles the easy way. G
Sue

He was a big ol boy too..

Gunner

That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's
cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays
there.
- George Orwell


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It being a dull day, I decide to respond to what Gunner
fosted Sun, 20 Jun 2004 01:02:42 GMT on
misc.survivalism , viz:

Actually...center of mass. Aim for 2" above the belt buckle and the
followup shots tend to string upwards through the remaining vital
bits.

Gunner



Gunner, Agreed. The point was the one I keep driving home to my wife.
Don't draw your weapon If you don't intend to use it. None of this "one
step closer" stuff, pretty soon the perp has your gun and your toast.



Ayup..the only time a warning shot should be fired, is in the center
of mass. Both legally and for your personal safety.


I was taught "employing lethal force is not 'the last option'. By that
time, all other options are gone."

Of course, I as taught not to draw a firearm without intending to fire,
and don't fire without intending to hit them, and you shoot them to cause
maximum harm. Taught that specifically by an Air Force career cop, so
take it as intended: Not as an automatic progression, but as a "no
half-measures" mindset. (the paperwork is tremendous.)

tschus
pyotr


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It being a dull day, I decide to respond to what Gunner
fosted Sun, 20 Jun 2004 03:27:05 GMT on
rec.crafts.metalworking , viz:
On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 12:44:32 -0500, Jim Levie
wrote:

I've had this done twice. Once in '97 for a partially blocked right illiac
artery that caused my right leg to go numb after heavy exercise and then
much later for the "big one". Believe me, the "C clamp" is a vast
improvement over the old procedure. Back then two-three nurses would take
turns manually applying pressure to the incision. Being "good medical
practitioners" they tend to err on the safe side, which means they do
their level best to try to push your leg down through the basement from
the sixth floor. It took some three hours or so and the only redeeming
value was all the "good drugs". Mercifully I slept through a good bit of
it.

By 2001 (three days before 9/11) the technology had improved
significantly. This time they used a "C clamp" with an inflatable pressure
pad. By raising the pressure in the pad to a bit above blood pressure they
can be sure that the artery stays closed. While not at all comfortable,
its a lot more bearable. (and lots of drugs help...)


Oddly enough..when they went in the second time for the actual
angioplasty..the big high tech heart center used the two large
orderlies for the pressure. The country hospital used the C clamp.
After being badly bruised up from the angiogram the day before..it was
a bit tender. 3 grains of morphine only took the top layer off. I
asked the orderly to back off a smidge..and he didnt. I then TOLD him
to back off a bit..and when he didnt. I recall grabbing him by the
back of the belt and hoisting him off the floor one handed. Pain=
adrenalin..and it really really really really hurt. I ran though my
entire vocabularly of nasty words in 5 languages, causing a very
diverse group of staff to variously bust up laughing, get all puffed
up or blush.


ROFLMAO!

And they say Americans don't know more than English!


My lungs are good and I simply lost control..so they
closed the doors to that wing. I understand that they heard me at the
front lobby upstairs. Probably considered it bad for business ...


"You're scaring the other patients!"
Good!


Shrug..now my entire right leg has pin point hemmatomas from ankle to
groin. Freckles I never had...lol
He was a big ol boy too..

Gunner

That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's
cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays
there.
- George Orwell


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as an explaination for the decline in the US's tech edge, James
Niccol wrote "It used to be that the USA was pretty good at
producing stuff teenaged boys could lose a finger or two playing with."
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"Garlicdude" wrote in message
...
Strider wrote:

As far as the VA goes, I (non vet) consider that to be back pay. It
was the deal when they went into the military and VA heath care is
OWED to Vets by the public.

Strider


Strider, My sentiments exactly. VA health benefits were earned.



Often at a very high price.

Harold


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"Gunner" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 09:15:55 -0700, Tim May
wrote:

big snip------

The Ant and the Grasshopper story comes to mind.


Tubby asshole with acess to the internet comes to mind...

--Tim May


Indeed. Large tubby asshole.

Gunner


Chuckle!!!!

Harold




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On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 00:32:13 -0400, Bob Brock
wrote:

On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 17:22:30 -0700, Tim May
wrote:


Sue wrote:


I live pretty close to Mr. May. I don't know if he's important enough
to have his obit in the SF Chronicle, but I keep reading and I keep
hoping.


We'll see whose obit appears first.

But, I'm glad for you that Gunner has now fully left the
libertarian/freedom orbit and is firmly ensconced in the
welfare/socialist/gimmiecrat orbit.


On that count, I agree completely. Gunner is more of an avowed NeoCon
than a Libertarian. I'll never understand why he ever called himself
one.

Really? Define neocon. I always thought neocon was a liberal who
voted to fight a war, and was used as a slur by Leftists to label
those they consider traitors to the Leftist cause.

Now on the other hand..define Libertarian. And do they all believe the
same rank and file beliefs?

Or is the saying "getting libertarians to agree on anything is like
trying to herd cats" erronious?

Gunner

That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's
cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays
there.
- George Orwell
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On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 00:29:18 -0400, Bob Brock
wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 01:19:00 GMT, Gunner
wrote:

On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 15:22:46 -0700, Tim May
wrote:

You mean the Veteran's Administration is responsible for the $400,000
bill he says his wife (or what he sometimes calls his "ex-wife") ran
up?


Nope..she is responsible for that. I only provide a place for her to
live. In return, she keeps my home in somewhat good order and takes
care of my critters. Period. We are still separated in actual fact.


If you are living together, it would appear that you are living
together.


Only 2 days a week. We are roommates. Were you and your college
roommate living together in the same context?


Furthermore, she is disabled for life, unfortunately and is unable to
provide for herself financially. She is considered by the State to be
indigent, and indigent for life. If you don't like the States terms
or criteria..please feel free to change the rules by which she is
subject.


Sounds like government tit to me.


Yup. Or its her getting some of the money back she paid in in 30 yrs
of working and paying taxes. Shrug..as I told Tubby Timmy..if you dont
like the rules, change em. Then grab a shovel and help me bury her.

As to my compassion for her condition..deal with it. While I
understand that compassion is an alien word to you..its something that
most humans have.


Compassion? Sounds like the government tit to me.


See response above.


She never used drugs (though where you got that from, or why you keep
bringing that lie up escapes me).

Quite frankly Lard Ass, you are a tiresome bigot of the first water,
who managed to be in the right time and the right place, where others
with your same abilities were not. So I suggest the occasional
sacrifice to Hermes may be in order on your part.

Gunner

A psudoLiberterian.


And you sir, are an asshole. Shrug. You have my addy, if you wish to
continue this in person. Bring a lunch and a designated driver or next
of kin.

Gunner


That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's
cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays
there.
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On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 21:48:46 -0700, The Watched
wrote:

On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 21:48:09 GMT, Sue wrote:
Nice talk from someone who looks like this:

http://www.mccullagh.org/image/d30-2...-dinner-2.html

WOW, so who paid for the sex change operation ?

I thought Tim was a guy.. and who's that fat guy next to him ??

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gunner
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cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays
there.
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On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 20:40:36 -0700, Garlicdude
wrote:

Gunner wrote:

On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 13:59:11 -0700, Garlicdude
wrote:

Gunner wrote:

On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 07:35:10 -0700, Garlicdude
wrote:

Santa Cruz Mike wrote:


" A bullet in the foot first warning, next the thigh, then a good
chest shot... then between the eyes" Little Gunner

If you draw your weapon the first shot should be between the eyes.

Actually...center of mass. Aim for 2" above the belt buckle and the
followup shots tend to string upwards through the remaining vital
bits.

Gunner


Gunner, Agreed. The point was the one I keep driving home to my wife.
Don't draw your weapon If you don't intend to use it. None of this "one
step closer" stuff, pretty soon the perp has your gun and your toast.


Ayup..the only time a warning shot should be fired, is in the center
of mass. Both legally and for your personal safety.

What you have to do, is consider the following:

1. Is your life of the life of another in immediate danger?
A. Yes. Employ deadly force as needed
B. No. Leave the area NOW.

2. Will the situation escalate into your life being in danger, through
mechanisms beyond your control?
A. Yes.. see A above
B. No. See B above.




SNIPPED





Never let anger be your guide. You MUST use the Reasonable Man
concept.
Is it reasonable to you and the community to shoot at this place and
time, under thise conditions?

Gunner

That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's
cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays
there.
- George Orwell



Good advice.


If you ever feel the need, come on down to Taft some weekend, and Ill
run you and the missus through the accelerated self defense course.
Just bring some Mt. Dew and a couple hundred rounds of ammo for your
sidearms. I teach several different techniques.

Gunner

That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's
cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays
there.
- George Orwell
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On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 01:19:00 GMT, the renowned Gunner
wrote:

Quite frankly Lard Ass, you are a tiresome bigot of the first water,
who managed to be in the right time and the right place, where others
with your same abilities were not. So I suggest the occasional
sacrifice to Hermes may be in order on your part.
Gunner


Now, Gunner, you shouldn't go quoting Aristophanes. Tim's probably
wondering why you're suggesting he buy overpriced French silk ties.


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In article , Carl Byrns
writes:

(It's hard not
to twist the knife here and remind you of all those tobacco industry
supported studies that show smoking is harmless. Think they're still
true?)


Uh .. what "studies"?

It's interesting to note that all studies to find out exactly what
about it is a hazzard (so that perhaps the risk could be reduced)
were squashed.

Why was that? Fundies again?
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Sue wrote in
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On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 17:17:23 -0700, michael
wrote:

Sue wrote:

On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 14:56:33 -0700, Tim May
wrote:



took out some trash


He has no business lecturing us on politics and morality as if he's
some latter-day Heinlein.

As you have never had any business complaining about women eating
too much. That one sure came back to bite you in the ass. Snicker.
Hypocrite. Once again:

http://www.mccullagh.org/image/d30-2...-dinner-2.html

Sue


That pic is really for sale?! So, who is in the pic? Looks like some
of the "jelly people" to me.


I've no idea if it's for sale. If it is it might make a good dart
board. Or perhaps toilet paper. The pleasure of wiping my ass with
Mr. May's likeness would be worth the mild discomfort from the
stiffness. One of the two people in the picture is the delightful,
warm hearted, humane, caring, generous, kind Mr. May. I'll leave it
to you to figure out which one. Oh, wait. With all of those
adjectives it would be neither. Scrap the adjectives. Jelly
people????
Sue

mikey




I can understand Big Timmys attitude now...
Having to look at that ugliness each day inthe mirror would give anyone
the horrors
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In article , Strider
writes:

It
was the deal when they went into the military and VA heath care is
OWED to Vets by the public.


Not per the shrub and the republicans it seems.

(This guy's probably another one of those stinking "liberals",
always wanting to give out handouts with our tax money.)

"I say quite deliberately that the Christian religion, as organised
in its Churches, has been and still is the principal enemy of moral
progress in the world."

Bertrand Russell
--Why I Am Not A Christian
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In article , Sue
writes:

Sue - proudly from Mr. May's killfile


Someone put a nice sweet little girl like you in their killfile?

Probably a right-winger. They love to think about killing ....

"Every instant of time is a pinprick of eternity. All things are
petty, easily changed, vanishing away."

Marcus Aurelius
--Meditations
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Cliff
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In article , The Independent
writes:

The object is to stomp them so hard the first time that they wont

want
to mess with us again.


Had your head candled lately?

http://www.agintheclassroom.org/cam/...c/image014.jpg

Naturally, this leads every one else to say exactly the same sort
of thing about idiots like you. But you don't know who or where they
are ....

"Paley's argument is made with passionate sincerity and is informed
by the best biological scholarship of his day, but it is wrong,
gloriously and utterly wrong."

Richard Dawkins
--The Blind Watchmaker
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On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 05:00:21 GMT, Sue calmly
ranted:

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 03:27:05 GMT, Gunner
wrote:


Oddly enough..when they went in the second time for the actual
angioplasty..the big high tech heart center used the two large
orderlies for the pressure. The country hospital used the C clamp.
After being badly bruised up from the angiogram the day before..it was
a bit tender. 3 grains of morphine only took the top layer off. I
asked the orderly to back off a smidge..and he didnt. I then TOLD him
to back off a bit..and when he didnt. I recall grabbing him by the
back of the belt and hoisting him off the floor one handed. Pain=


I might have grabbed him by something else (which could more
easily control him) without busting my heart open.


Shrug..now my entire right leg has pin point hemmatomas from ankle to
groin. Freckles I never had...lol


Whooo. I got my freckles the easy way. G
Sue


Oh, it was a nekkid calendar shoot on a sunny day? I see.


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Gunner wrote:

If you ever feel the need, come on down to Taft some weekend, and Ill
run you and the missus through the accelerated self defense course.
Just bring some Mt. Dew and a couple hundred rounds of ammo for your
sidearms. I teach several different techniques.

Gunner

That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's
cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays
there.
- George Orwell



Gunner, Thanks for the generous offer, just might do that one day.
After a hard day of training we can hit the night in beautiful downtown
Taft.

--
Regards,
Steve Saling
aka The Garlic Dude ©
Gilroy, CA
The Garlic Capital of The World
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In article , Sue
writes:

Chuckle. Mr. May will most likely reply that he not only shook hands
with those two people but slept with them as well. G


Perhaps someone would like to rent the Lincoln Bedroom or
Camp David?

[
President Bush opened the White House and Camp David to dozens of
overnight guests last year, including foreign dignitaries, family
friends and at least nine of his biggest campaign fund-raisers,
documents show...
At least nine of Bush's biggest fund-raisers appear on the latest list
of White House overnight guests, covering June 2002 through December
2003, and-or on the Camp David list, which covers last year. They
include:


Mercer Reynolds, an Ohio financier, former Bush partner in the Texas
Rangers baseball team and former ambassador to Switzerland. Reynolds
is leading Bush's campaign fund-raising effort. He was a guest at the
White House and the Camp David retreat in Maryland's Catoctin
Mountains.

Brad Freeman, a venture capitalist who is leading Bush's California
fund-raising effort, has raised at least $200,000 for his re-election
campaign and is also a major Republican Party fund-raiser. Freeman
stayed at the White House.

Roland Betts, who raised at least $100,000 for Bush in 2000, was a
Bush fraternity brother at Yale and a Texas Rangers partner. Betts
stayed at the White House and Camp David.

William DeWitt, a Bush partner in the oil business and Texas Rangers
who has raised at least $200,000 for Bush's re-election effort, stayed
at the White House.

James Francis, who headed the Bush campaign's 2000 team of
$100,000-and-up volunteer fund-raisers and was a Bush appointee in
Texas when Bush was governor. Francis was a White House guest.

Joseph O'Neill, an oilman and childhood friend who introduced Bush to
Laura Bush and raised at least $100,000 for each of Bush's
presidential campaigns, stayed at the White House.

Colorado Gov. Bill Owens and New York Gov. George Pataki, who each
raised at least $200,000 for Bush's re-election campaign, were White
House guests.

James Langdon, who raised at least $100,000 for Bush, is a Washington
attorney specializing in international oil and gas transactions.
Langdon, whose clients include the Russian oil company Lukoil, is a
member of Bush's foreign intelligence advisory board and served on
Bush's 2000 presidential transition team on energy policy.
]

http://billmon.org/archives/001197.html

Anyone have later info? This is a bit stale ....

"It is impossible to calculate the moral mischief, if I may so
express it, that mental lying has produced in society. When a man has
so corrupted and prostituted the chastity of his mind as to subscribe
his professional belief to things he does not believe, he has prepared
himself for the commission of every other crime."

Thomas Paine
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On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 06:01:14 -0700, the renowned Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 05:00:21 GMT, Sue calmly
ranted:

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 03:27:05 GMT, Gunner
wrote:


Oddly enough..when they went in the second time for the actual
angioplasty..the big high tech heart center used the two large
orderlies for the pressure. The country hospital used the C clamp.
After being badly bruised up from the angiogram the day before..it was
a bit tender. 3 grains of morphine only took the top layer off. I
asked the orderly to back off a smidge..and he didnt. I then TOLD him
to back off a bit..and when he didnt. I recall grabbing him by the
back of the belt and hoisting him off the floor one handed. Pain=


I might have grabbed him by something else (which could more
easily control him) without busting my heart open.


Shrug..now my entire right leg has pin point hemmatomas from ankle to
groin. Freckles I never had...lol


Whooo. I got my freckles the easy way. G
Sue


Oh, it was a nekkid calendar shoot on a sunny day? I see.


http://home.earthlink.net/~ohpancho/welder.jpg

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Gunner, does this mean your aren't coming to Phoenix?
:-)

Get back up to speed soon, though knowing you, you're probably forcing
yourself already....

Marty

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On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 07:29:14 GMT, Gunner
wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 00:32:13 -0400, Bob Brock
wrote:

On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 17:22:30 -0700, Tim May
wrote:


Sue wrote:

I live pretty close to Mr. May. I don't know if he's important enough
to have his obit in the SF Chronicle, but I keep reading and I keep
hoping.

We'll see whose obit appears first.

But, I'm glad for you that Gunner has now fully left the
libertarian/freedom orbit and is firmly ensconced in the
welfare/socialist/gimmiecrat orbit.


On that count, I agree completely. Gunner is more of an avowed NeoCon
than a Libertarian. I'll never understand why he ever called himself
one.

Really? Define neocon. I always thought neocon was a liberal who
voted to fight a war, and was used as a slur by Leftists to label
those they consider traitors to the Leftist cause.


Thought implies a brain. You heart lasted longer than your brain did.

Now on the other hand..define Libertarian. And do they all believe the
same rank and file beliefs?

Or is the saying "getting libertarians to agree on anything is like
trying to herd cats" erronious?

Gunner

That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's
cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays
there.
- George Orwell


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On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 07:33:58 GMT, Gunner
wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 00:29:18 -0400, Bob Brock
wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 01:19:00 GMT, Gunner
wrote:

On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 15:22:46 -0700, Tim May
wrote:

You mean the Veteran's Administration is responsible for the $400,000
bill he says his wife (or what he sometimes calls his "ex-wife") ran
up?

Nope..she is responsible for that. I only provide a place for her to
live. In return, she keeps my home in somewhat good order and takes
care of my critters. Period. We are still separated in actual fact.


If you are living together, it would appear that you are living
together.


Only 2 days a week. We are roommates. Were you and your college
roommate living together in the same context?


What, she kicks you out of your own house and you have to live under
the bridge the other five day?


Furthermore, she is disabled for life, unfortunately and is unable to
provide for herself financially. She is considered by the State to be
indigent, and indigent for life. If you don't like the States terms
or criteria..please feel free to change the rules by which she is
subject.


Sounds like government tit to me.


Yup. Or its her getting some of the money back she paid in in 30 yrs
of working and paying taxes. Shrug..as I told Tubby Timmy..if you dont
like the rules, change em. Then grab a shovel and help me bury her.


I wasn't talking about her you damed idiot.

As to my compassion for her condition..deal with it. While I
understand that compassion is an alien word to you..its something that
most humans have.


Compassion? Sounds like the government tit to me.


See response above.


Ditto.


She never used drugs (though where you got that from, or why you keep
bringing that lie up escapes me).

Quite frankly Lard Ass, you are a tiresome bigot of the first water,
who managed to be in the right time and the right place, where others
with your same abilities were not. So I suggest the occasional
sacrifice to Hermes may be in order on your part.

Gunner

A psudoLiberterian.


And you sir, are an asshole. Shrug. You have my addy, if you wish to
continue this in person. Bring a lunch and a designated driver or next
of kin.


Hell gunner, you're doing good to walk out to your truck. I don't pick
on the phisically or mentally channenged. You give as good as you
get, so quit ****in and moaning about it.

What a ****ing baby.

Gunner


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cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays
there.
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In article , Tim May says...

Gunner needs to ...


Any time I see somebody who keeps saying "you need to do this..."
and "you need to do that...," or the ever-popular "you know what
your problem is, your problem is such-and-such..." that's when
I know to quit reading/listening.

It's really a great tip-off.

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Welcome back Gunner.
It's a wake up call no mistake.
Had an MI 23rd January '89 with no warning at all.
Sitting watching baseball finals on TV, midnight here in the UK, and
chest pains that just would not go away.
Somehow I just knew what was happening and called our emergency
services who arrived inside 5 minutes - the longest 5 minutes I have
ever had - they wired me up to their portable heart monitor and
confirmed a heart attack.
Ended up in Stoke Mandeville Hospital in Aylesbury, famous for holding
the Paraplegic Games, and its spinal injury facilities.
Spent two weeks there recovering.
Bottom part of the heart muscle damaged only.

Oh..and I will be quitting smoking (or trying really hard) as I need
lead a bit more healthy a life style. Shrug..this is gonna be a total
bitch and will likely be harder than undergoing the other stuff..I
have quit 14 times before...sigh...

You WILL NOT regret this move.
I didn't.
It reached fever pitch for me about 3 weeks after getting out of
hospital.
Sunday evening around 8pm my nerves where jangling from nicotine
deprivation. Ready to climb up the wall.
Decided to go to our corner shop/store to buy a pack of 10 smokes just
to kill the craving.
Got to the shop and thank God it was closed.
Took this as a sign and did not walk the mile or so into town to local
supermarket.
Cravings stopped there and then.
For the next couple of years it was just a case of "something missing"
after a meal or coffee etc, all craving gone.
After 4 years just a total relief that I had stopped smoking.
Absolutely the best thing I could have done!!
Now I cannot stand being in a smokey room or even around anyone that
is or has smoked.
You will know what I mean in the months and years to come.
This intense dislike grew and didn't happen overnight.
I lead a normal life and just watch salt and fat intake.
Not easy in the UK where all processed food is saturated with the
stuff.
Only time I think of it is when I am out walking in cold weather and
slight angina sets in if I walk too fast.
When I see what could have happened to me, I sure am happy.
Get well soon and do give up the weed.
Regards
GeoffH
Norfolk - UK not VA


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In article , Gunner says...

Something to consider, that is taught to cops and those who may be in
harms way is the Tuller Drill. Keep your rubber gun in your holster,
and have a gent with a rubber knife stand 21 feet away. On the knife
mans inititive, he runs at you with his rubber knife and tries to
stab/cut/kill you. ( I like to use permanant Magic Marker as the
knife).


Sounds like the 21 feet is the carnival trick to the deal. It says
how fast a man can run vs how fast one can remove the weapon and
aim it.

When doing this, is the shooter allowed to start running away from
the knife-wielder while drawing his weapon?

Jim

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On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 14:09:38 +0000 (UTC), GeoffH
calmly ranted:


Decided to go to our corner shop/store to buy a pack of 10 smokes just
to kill the craving.
Got to the shop and thank God it was closed.
Took this as a sign and did not walk the mile or so into town to local
supermarket.
Cravings stopped there and then.
For the next couple of years it was just a case of "something missing"
after a meal or coffee etc, all craving gone.


I found that going outside and taking a deep breath of fresh
air worked as well to relax me as inhaling those toxic fumes.
When "outside" wasn't available, I just closed my eyes and
imagined myself on a sprintime mountain top. I still do the
creative visualization thing but haven't had a craving for
-eons- now.


Only time I think of it is when I am out walking in cold weather and
slight angina sets in if I walk too fast.


That reminds me of this cartoon. (Watch wrap)
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"When asked how Cheney's angina was, Bush replied 'Boys don't have
anginas!'"-- Tina Fey


Get well soon and do give up the weed.


Ditto (to Gunner.)


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In article , Gunner says...

Really? Define neocon.


Neocon = chickenhawk. That would be a guy like Cheney who
likes war well enough to start one, but would never be caught dead
actually fighting in one.

Chickenhawk in this context *not* used to refer to
Robert Mason's book about helicopter pilots.

Jim

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Gunner wrote:

Just bring some Mt. Dew and a couple hundred rounds of ammo for your
sidearms.


Mountain Dew is in the jetwash of your past. Better make it Sprite.


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On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 06:01:14 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 05:00:21 GMT, Sue calmly
ranted:

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 03:27:05 GMT, Gunner
wrote:




Shrug..now my entire right leg has pin point hemmatomas from ankle to
groin. Freckles I never had...lol


Whooo. I got my freckles the easy way. G
Sue


Oh, it was a nekkid calendar shoot on a sunny day? I see.


Chuckle. No, the only freckles I have left are on my arms. Nekkid?
I don't expose my body to public ridicule. Not even in a bathing suit
anymore. Sigh.
Sue



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Gunner:

Damn glad you're doing OK. You take care of yourself, now, ya'hear?

Just curious, why didn't you call 911? They can begin effective
treatment immediately, assuming they are Advanced Life Support equipped.
Was the drive to the ER much faster than the ambo could arrive at your
place? Or was it it your stubborn self-sufficient attitude? ;-)

Jeff


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"Richard A. Faust" wrote in message
...
Tim May wrote:

Translation of the "various county and state programs" part:

* Gunner the avowed enemy of socialism is going to

use....socialism.

* We non-smokers get to pay for Gunner's heart problems.

* Those of us who saved and invested are taxed to pay for an

indigent.


If a conservative is a liberal who's been mugged, a liberal is a
conservative who didn't save, smoked, had a heart attack, and

expects
the suckers to pay for his condition.


Talk is cheap Tim, until *you* might need some help. None of us is

an
island. The people in our country look after good people who might

be
down on their luck. You are despicable to kick a man when he is

down.

Glad to see you have survived your ordeal Gunner. Good luck with

your
recovery!



I killfiled Timbo long ago, but I see he appears to be on Gunner's

case
about health care financing. I suppose he's just jealous that so many
of actually care about Gunner, whereas news of Timbo being stricken

with
a life threatening illness would engender reactions ranging from a
widespread disinterested yawns to occasional jubilation.

Instead, he should be grateful that forced sterilization and/or
euthanasia aren't covered.

Jeff




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On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 15:20:38 GMT, Sue calmly
ranted:

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 06:01:14 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 05:00:21 GMT, Sue calmly
ranted:


Whooo. I got my freckles the easy way. G
Sue


Oh, it was a nekkid calendar shoot on a sunny day? I see.


Chuckle. No, the only freckles I have left are on my arms. Nekkid?
I don't expose my body to public ridicule. Not even in a bathing suit
anymore. Sigh.


I thought our pincushiony friend, Gunner, said you were a calendar
girl, so I assumed... wink


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Richard Johnson wrote:

Well, Timmy boy. He has paid for it in taxes, as have you. He may be
against the concept, and principle, but being forced into that system, and
paying for the years he has paid for it, he has the right to get value for
the money that was taken from him. As do you and as do I. If the system
allowed him to opt out, and he failed to put the $$ away for this
eventuality, then you would be correct. As it is the only opt out is via
suicide. He has paid for it all these years, he should get the benefit of
that payment. So, you are full of ...it.



How much does one pay in taxes with an annual income of $20,000 ?

Sure sounds like "from each according to his ability, to each
according to his needs" to me.

At this point, I don't suppose Mark should be bitching too much
about socialized medicine. It would be ... ungrateful.


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In article , Bob Brock
wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 01:19:00 GMT, Gunner
wrote:

On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 15:22:46 -0700, Tim May
wrote:

You mean the Veteran's Administration is responsible for the $400,000
bill he says his wife (or what he sometimes calls his "ex-wife") ran
up?


Nope..she is responsible for that. I only provide a place for her to
live. In return, she keeps my home in somewhat good order and takes
care of my critters. Period. We are still separated in actual fact.


If you are living together, it would appear that you are living
together.


And I can't find a comment (or a public record, though the Net is
notorious for not having most such records yet on file) that they
actually obtained a formal (legal) divorce. Gunner (Mark Wieber, for
the purposes of searching for records) described in detail how his wife
left in 1976 to live with some guy named Carl Wyatt, how they partied
and caroused and how she got pregnant and how Gunner then took her
back. And how she went to another guy, and some women, and another guy,
and Carl again, and then how she drained his remaining assets.

But nowhere do I find a clear statement that she and Gunner were
legally divorced.

Which, if they were not divorced (or if her co-residence with him was
long enough to constitute a common law marriage), then in fact Gunner
is also responsible for her medical bills as well (which Gunner says
are about $400,000).

I have ended relationships for situations which are about 150 times
less bad than what Gunner described happened first in 1976 and then
many times later. It's clear his wife/ex-wife/whatever treated him like
a toilet and that he put up with it. Weird.


Furthermore, she is disabled for life, unfortunately and is unable to
provide for herself financially. She is considered by the State to be
indigent, and indigent for life. If you don't like the States terms
or criteria..please feel free to change the rules by which she is
subject.


Sounds like government tit to me.


Yep. Even while Gunner was writing dozens of rants a week (someone said
he averaged 30 posts per day for the past year, but I haven't checked
this out) about the evils of socialism and the moral principles of not
taking other people's money, his wife was consuming $400,000 in
taxpayer-paid medical care and is (probably) now collecting a monthly
disability check...it may be what Gunner is living on.


As to my compassion for her condition..deal with it. While I
understand that compassion is an alien word to you..its something that
most humans have.


Compassion? Sounds like the government tit to me.


She never used drugs (though where you got that from, or why you keep
bringing that lie up escapes me).


Gunner spoke of his methamphetamine-using son (Richard, by the father
Carl Wyatt) and of his wife's partying binges in the mid-70s and later.
With the talk of group sex, partying, multiple boyfriends,
methamphetamines, etc., I think it's _reasonable_ (in fact, I would put
the odds at 99.9%) to assume the wife was doing her share of what was
common in that environment in the mid-70s and into the Things Go Better
with Coke era.

But I will no longer cite her as a druggie, though her son certainly
was. A slut, for sure. A slut who treated Gunner as a toilet,
definately.

Here's one quote from (misc.survivalism, 2000-06-21):

"1976 Wife gets bored. Takes credit card, and spends 3 days partying,
and meets new fellow. (Carl Wyatt). Affair lasts 5 months.. at which
point she finds she's pregnant. Husband (me) boots her ass out when
finding out she is pregnant with another mans child, and maxing the
credit card out on motel rooms, booze and room service (He was married,
so she paid for the room..or rather, I did)

"In her 9th month of pregnancy.. she shows up, belly out to there, and
asks to come home until the baby is born. Two weeks later, I hold her
hand in the delivery room, then sign the birth certificate with my name
as the father.

"snip 6 years of financial fiascos and 2 surgerys for the boy...no
insurance)

"She gets bored again.. has an affair with Carl for 4 months before I
find out. The she has an affair with Al Quatroche for 3 months where
she explores her sexuality, in group sex, bi sex etc. I sit home, baby
sitting. She then apparently tired of all the fun and games (the boy
friends got tired of her and sent her home) and came home declaring
undying love. I of course, take her in.

"snip 7 years of financial fiascos climaxed by 4 surgeries for boy,
loss of kidney to birth defect uncaught by doctors. No insurance)

"Year unknown. Wife gets bored once again... Locates and proceeds to
have a 5
....."

(rest not included...too depressing, even for me)
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On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 06:05:21 -0700, Garlicdude
wrote:

Gunner wrote:

If you ever feel the need, come on down to Taft some weekend, and Ill
run you and the missus through the accelerated self defense course.
Just bring some Mt. Dew and a couple hundred rounds of ammo for your
sidearms. I teach several different techniques.

Gunner

That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's
cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays
there.
- George Orwell



Gunner, Thanks for the generous offer, just might do that one day.
After a hard day of training we can hit the night in beautiful downtown
Taft.


Better yet..we go to Bakersfield to Trouts, Rockin Rodeo, or Buck
Owen's Crystal Palace.

Gunner

That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's
cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays
there.
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On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 09:58:08 -0400, Bob Brock
wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 07:29:14 GMT, Gunner
wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 00:32:13 -0400, Bob Brock
wrote:

On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 17:22:30 -0700, Tim May
wrote:


Sue wrote:

I live pretty close to Mr. May. I don't know if he's important enough
to have his obit in the SF Chronicle, but I keep reading and I keep
hoping.

We'll see whose obit appears first.

But, I'm glad for you that Gunner has now fully left the
libertarian/freedom orbit and is firmly ensconced in the
welfare/socialist/gimmiecrat orbit.

On that count, I agree completely. Gunner is more of an avowed NeoCon
than a Libertarian. I'll never understand why he ever called himself
one.

Really? Define neocon. I always thought neocon was a liberal who
voted to fight a war, and was used as a slur by Leftists to label
those they consider traitors to the Leftist cause.


Thought implies a brain. You heart lasted longer than your brain did.


Seems like I hit a nerve. I love watchin you twitch.

Now on the other hand..define Libertarian. And do they all believe the
same rank and file beliefs?

Or is the saying "getting libertarians to agree on anything is like
trying to herd cats" erronious?

Gunner

That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's
cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays
there.
- George Orwell


That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's
cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays
there.
- George Orwell
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On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 10:01:15 -0400, Bob Brock
wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 07:33:58 GMT, Gunner
wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 00:29:18 -0400, Bob Brock
wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 01:19:00 GMT, Gunner
wrote:

On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 15:22:46 -0700, Tim May
wrote:

You mean the Veteran's Administration is responsible for the $400,000
bill he says his wife (or what he sometimes calls his "ex-wife") ran
up?

Nope..she is responsible for that. I only provide a place for her to
live. In return, she keeps my home in somewhat good order and takes
care of my critters. Period. We are still separated in actual fact.

If you are living together, it would appear that you are living
together.


Only 2 days a week. We are roommates. Were you and your college
roommate living together in the same context?


What, she kicks you out of your own house and you have to live under
the bridge the other five day?


Ah..no. I work in Southern California, and keep a place in Pomona,
Calif. My big home is where my toys and critters are at.


Furthermore, she is disabled for life, unfortunately and is unable to
provide for herself financially. She is considered by the State to be
indigent, and indigent for life. If you don't like the States terms
or criteria..please feel free to change the rules by which she is
subject.

Sounds like government tit to me.


Yup. Or its her getting some of the money back she paid in in 30 yrs
of working and paying taxes. Shrug..as I told Tubby Timmy..if you dont
like the rules, change em. Then grab a shovel and help me bury her.


I wasn't talking about her you damed idiot.


You are getting really unstable. Make up your mind, or consult a
mental health professional (which is my main suggestion)

As to my compassion for her condition..deal with it. While I
understand that compassion is an alien word to you..its something that
most humans have.

Compassion? Sounds like the government tit to me.


See response above.


Ditto.


She never used drugs (though where you got that from, or why you keep
bringing that lie up escapes me).

Quite frankly Lard Ass, you are a tiresome bigot of the first water,
who managed to be in the right time and the right place, where others
with your same abilities were not. So I suggest the occasional
sacrifice to Hermes may be in order on your part.

Gunner

A psudoLiberterian.


And you sir, are an asshole. Shrug. You have my addy, if you wish to
continue this in person. Bring a lunch and a designated driver or next
of kin.


Hell gunner, you're doing good to walk out to your truck. I don't pick
on the phisically or mentally channenged. You give as good as you
get, so quit ****in and moaning about it.


Bring your lunch, and we shall see who can walk the walk.

What a ****ing baby.


Snivel all you want, asshole.

Gunner

That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's
cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays
there.
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On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 17:55:46 GMT, Gunner
wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 09:58:08 -0400, Bob Brock
wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 07:29:14 GMT, Gunner
wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 00:32:13 -0400, Bob Brock
wrote:

On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 17:22:30 -0700, Tim May
wrote:


Thought implies a brain. You heart lasted longer than your brain did.


Seems like I hit a nerve. I love watchin you twitch.


Nah, you hit a nerve when I found someone after my wife died and you
made your smart assed comments about it when I found someone else.
You are worthless as a survivalist. Hell, you can't survive in the
normal world without intervention and the government tit.

I like watching you twitch too, so perhaps the government subsidy was
worth it in entertainment value.
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