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Origin of Hex Head Nuts/bolts?
On Sat, 05 Jun 2004 02:20:13 GMT, Gunner wrote:
snip gook - U.S. military slang since the Korean War, applied initially to Koreans and later to Vietnamese during the Vietnam War. It derives from Hanguk, the Korean name for Korea. Hanguk=Korean Yonguk=Non Korean snip gwailo - also spelled "gweilo"; a Cantonese term for Caucasians. Similar to the entry above for ghost. Translated to me as "round eyed devil" And (for the sake of more completeness) Septic==Septic Tank==Yank= derogatory term used for US engineers by British Engineers. Regards Mark Rand RTFM |
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Gunner wrote: Amazing list of mostly derogatory terms mostly snipped. (Where did you find all of these, anyway? Have you been collecting them for years?) You hit a lot which I have never heard, even as part of the demographic which supposedly used them. And some are *very* antique, and almost certainly out of circulation by now. I remember at least one couple which I wanted to comment on as I read the list. And I find myself wondering whether most of these are only used among the English-speaking people of the non-English-speaking countries specified. [ ... ] Ape Candy - Whites who date blacks. Note that I have seen "ape" used to refer to the less civilized among the motorcycle riding public. In particular, the high-rise handlebars labeled "ape hangers". [ ... ] barbarian - Ancient Greece, any non-Greek (derived from the Greek Note that it could also come from Spanish -- as someone who is "con barba" is someone who wears a beard. [ ... ] Ones like the following could have benefited form having the second (and subsequent) lines indented to show that they were continuations, e.g. ================================================== ==================== charlie - U.S., a Vietnamese person (shortened from radio code for the Vietcong (V.C.): "Victor Charlie") ================================================== ==================== Would become: ================================================== ==================== charlie - U.S., a Vietnamese person (shortened from radio code for the Vietcong (V.C.): "Victor Charlie") ================================================== ==================== thus minimizing confusion. [ ... ] wog - U.K., a dark-skinned national of a Colonial British colony; also Australia, a Mediterranean-European (especially Greek or Italian) person (or any foreigner). It may have originated in Empire days in sub-Asia as a mandated term of respect, Worthy Oriental Gentleman, then abbreviated. I have heard that it was supposed to be "Worshipful Oriental Gentleman", and that when it was introduced (intending to eliminate the derogatory terms then in use, the abbreviation was introduced in the same sentence. ( "... - wog for sort." ) Enjoy, DoN. P.S. Is there *anyone* who you have not insulted by that collection. :-) -- Email: | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564 (too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero --- |
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Origin of Hex Head Nuts/bolts?
"CWLee" wrote in message ... Can anyone here point me toward an authoritative history of hex head nuts and bolts? I see square nuts and bolts in old machinery and tools in museums, but I don't think I've seen a hex head nut or bolt in anything built before 1900. Does anyone know who invented/developed the hex head nuts and bolts? When, where, why, etc? Any info on this topic appreciated. Many thanks. -- ---------- CWLee "If elected, my highest priority upon taking office will be to get the gazelles and the lions to negotiate a peaceful solution to their long-standing differences." Tarzan, Democratic candidate for King of the Jungle. Just to return to the orginal question, a quick patent search show patent #61504 Improved Bedstead Fastner, issued Jan 29, 1867, has a hex nut as a component. Jeff |
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In article , DoN. Nichols says...
wog - U.K., a dark-skinned national of a Colonial British colony; also Australia, a Mediterranean-European (especially Greek or Italian) person (or any foreigner). It may have originated in Empire days in sub-Asia as a mandated term of respect, Worthy Oriental Gentleman, then abbreviated. I have heard that it was supposed to be "Worshipful Oriental Gentleman", and that when it was introduced (intending to eliminate the derogatory terms then in use, the abbreviation was introduced in the same sentence. ( "... - wog for sort." ) My understanding was that it stands for "Westernized Oriental Gentleman." Jim ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at yktvmv (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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On 5 Jun 2004 20:29:53 -0700, jim rozen
stated, with eyes & arms akimbo: In article , DoN. Nichols says... wog - U.K., a dark-skinned national of a Colonial British colony; also Australia, a Mediterranean-European (especially Greek or Italian) person (or any foreigner). It may have originated in Empire days in sub-Asia as a mandated term of respect, Worthy Oriental Gentleman, then abbreviated. I have heard that it was supposed to be "Worshipful Oriental Gentleman", and that when it was introduced (intending to eliminate the derogatory terms then in use, the abbreviation was introduced in the same sentence. ( "... - wog for sort." ) My understanding was that it stands for "Westernized Oriental Gentleman." If you dip 'em in Minwax do you get polywogs? groan BTW, the origin of hex nuts was ca. 1692 in colonial Salem, MA. That was the real reason the witches were burned. (Hey, who wants their nuts hexed?) ---------------------------------- VIRTUE...is its own punishment http://www.diversify.com Website Applications ================================================== |
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"Jeffrey Lindemuth" wrote in message ...
"CWLee" wrote in message ... Can anyone here point me toward an authoritative history of hex head nuts and bolts? I see square nuts and bolts in old machinery and tools in museums, but I don't think I've seen a hex head nut or bolt in anything built before 1900. Does anyone know who invented/developed the hex head nuts and bolts? When, where, why, etc? Any info on this topic appreciated. Many thanks. -- ---------- CWLee "If elected, my highest priority upon taking office will be to get the gazelles and the lions to negotiate a peaceful solution to their long-standing differences." Tarzan, Democratic candidate for King of the Jungle. Just to return to the orginal question, a quick patent search show patent #61504 Improved Bedstead Fastner, issued Jan 29, 1867, has a hex nut as a component. Jeff I've got a history of the milling machine from the library that shows Nasmyth's miller that he made for Maudsley about 1829-30 for milling flats on nuts. The illustration shows a hex nut of large engineering size. Presumably, before that they either forged them or filed them to shape(or both). So we're back to the early 1800s, at least. Stan |
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Sorry friend. Triumphs, just like American vehicles, used Unified threads back in the sixties. If you are in the spares business you would know that.
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On Mon, 7 Aug 2017 05:02:56 -0700 (PDT),
wrote: Sorry friend. Triumphs, just like American vehicles, used Unified threads back in the sixties. If you are in the spares business you would know that. In the very early sixties there were BSF and whitworth,and UNC and UNF as any British car mechanic would know. In the seventies the Brits switched (slowly) to metric. |
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On Mon, 07 Aug 2017 15:43:52 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote: On Mon, 7 Aug 2017 05:02:56 -0700 (PDT), wrote: Sorry friend. Triumphs, just like American vehicles, used Unified threads back in the sixties. If you are in the spares business you would know that. Sorry friend...Triump motorcycles didnt go to Unified theads until the late 1960s Most bolts on a Triumph made before '68 will be BSC thread (formerly known as CEI thread). Any bolts/screws less than 1/4" thread diameter will be B.A. thread which has metric pitch but an unusual diameter. BSC threads up to 1/2" diameter are 26 tpi. At 1/2" diameter it could also be 20 tpi, and any diameter above 1/2" is likely to be 20 tpi. Some threads, like on fork stanchions, are bigger than 1/2" diameter but still 26 tpi. Studs that screw into aluminium, like cylinder base studs, will have Whitworth threads on the part that screws into the aluminium casting. And yes..I have English bikes But your English bikes don't run and so far you haven't been able to fix them. How many years has it been since you were regaling us with tales of the Royal Enfield Bullet and how difficult it was to repair? -- Cheers, Schweik |
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Origin of Hex Head Nuts/bolts?
On Tue, 08 Aug 2017 08:04:15 +0700,
wrote: On Mon, 07 Aug 2017 15:43:52 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: On Mon, 7 Aug 2017 05:02:56 -0700 (PDT), wrote: Sorry friend. Triumphs, just like American vehicles, used Unified threads back in the sixties. If you are in the spares business you would know that. Sorry friend...Triump motorcycles didnt go to Unified theads until the late 1960s Most bolts on a Triumph made before '68 will be BSC thread (formerly known as CEI thread). Any bolts/screws less than 1/4" thread diameter will be B.A. thread which has metric pitch but an unusual diameter. BSC threads up to 1/2" diameter are 26 tpi. At 1/2" diameter it could also be 20 tpi, and any diameter above 1/2" is likely to be 20 tpi. Some threads, like on fork stanchions, are bigger than 1/2" diameter but still 26 tpi. Studs that screw into aluminium, like cylinder base studs, will have Whitworth threads on the part that screws into the aluminium casting. And yes..I have English bikes But your English bikes don't run and so far you haven't been able to fix them. How many years has it been since you were regaling us with tales of the Royal Enfield Bullet and how difficult it was to repair? The Enfeild isn't hard to repair - but the fact is you never finish repairing. Like any Brit bike or car |
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On Mon, 07 Aug 2017 21:22:42 -0400, wrote:
On Tue, 08 Aug 2017 08:04:15 +0700, wrote: On Mon, 07 Aug 2017 15:43:52 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: On Mon, 7 Aug 2017 05:02:56 -0700 (PDT), wrote: Sorry friend. Triumphs, just like American vehicles, used Unified threads back in the sixties. If you are in the spares business you would know that. Sorry friend...Triump motorcycles didnt go to Unified theads until the late 1960s Most bolts on a Triumph made before '68 will be BSC thread (formerly known as CEI thread). Any bolts/screws less than 1/4" thread diameter will be B.A. thread which has metric pitch but an unusual diameter. BSC threads up to 1/2" diameter are 26 tpi. At 1/2" diameter it could also be 20 tpi, and any diameter above 1/2" is likely to be 20 tpi. Some threads, like on fork stanchions, are bigger than 1/2" diameter but still 26 tpi. Studs that screw into aluminium, like cylinder base studs, will have Whitworth threads on the part that screws into the aluminium casting. And yes..I have English bikes But your English bikes don't run and so far you haven't been able to fix them. How many years has it been since you were regaling us with tales of the Royal Enfield Bullet and how difficult it was to repair? The Enfeild isn't hard to repair - but the fact is you never finish repairing. Like any Brit bike or car Goodpileofswill always gets it wrong..sadly. I own a Triumph T-120(V) with sidecar..and a Enfield Super Meteor. And of course the BMW R90/6 The Meteor is still undergoing restoration..so the question was a lie phrased by an utter moron. But he is well known for such buffoonery. If anyone finds a dash/headlight assembly for either an Indian Chief or Super Meteor.....Id love to talk to you. Else its going to continue to be a plain jane bobber..as it was imported into the US as an Indian. One of the last 10 ever released by Brockhouse. I wasnt even aware that the poor ******* was still alive..he having been in my Bozo Bin for a couple years by now. Notice the hate and fear he shows whenever I post something he thinks..thinks he knows something about. Just goes to show how mentally flawed and terribly mentally ill he shows himself to be. Shrug. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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Origin of Hex Head Nuts/bolts?
On Mon, 07 Aug 2017 21:22:42 -0400, wrote:
On Tue, 08 Aug 2017 08:04:15 +0700, wrote: On Mon, 07 Aug 2017 15:43:52 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: On Mon, 7 Aug 2017 05:02:56 -0700 (PDT), wrote: Sorry friend. Triumphs, just like American vehicles, used Unified threads back in the sixties. If you are in the spares business you would know that. Sorry friend...Triump motorcycles didnt go to Unified theads until the late 1960s Most bolts on a Triumph made before '68 will be BSC thread (formerly known as CEI thread). Any bolts/screws less than 1/4" thread diameter will be B.A. thread which has metric pitch but an unusual diameter. BSC threads up to 1/2" diameter are 26 tpi. At 1/2" diameter it could also be 20 tpi, and any diameter above 1/2" is likely to be 20 tpi. Some threads, like on fork stanchions, are bigger than 1/2" diameter but still 26 tpi. Studs that screw into aluminium, like cylinder base studs, will have Whitworth threads on the part that screws into the aluminium casting. And yes..I have English bikes But your English bikes don't run and so far you haven't been able to fix them. How many years has it been since you were regaling us with tales of the Royal Enfield Bullet and how difficult it was to repair? The Enfeild isn't hard to repair - but the fact is you never finish repairing. Like any Brit bike or car I owned one back in the days before the Bullet grew a rear suspension. A rather rudimentary machine, other then the Lucas electrics :-( -- Cheers, Schweik |
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On Mon, 07 Aug 2017 20:13:32 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote: On Mon, 07 Aug 2017 21:22:42 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 08 Aug 2017 08:04:15 +0700, wrote: On Mon, 07 Aug 2017 15:43:52 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: On Mon, 7 Aug 2017 05:02:56 -0700 (PDT), wrote: Sorry friend. Triumphs, just like American vehicles, used Unified threads back in the sixties. If you are in the spares business you would know that. Sorry friend...Triump motorcycles didnt go to Unified theads until the late 1960s Most bolts on a Triumph made before '68 will be BSC thread (formerly known as CEI thread). Any bolts/screws less than 1/4" thread diameter will be B.A. thread which has metric pitch but an unusual diameter. BSC threads up to 1/2" diameter are 26 tpi. At 1/2" diameter it could also be 20 tpi, and any diameter above 1/2" is likely to be 20 tpi. Some threads, like on fork stanchions, are bigger than 1/2" diameter but still 26 tpi. Studs that screw into aluminium, like cylinder base studs, will have Whitworth threads on the part that screws into the aluminium casting. And yes..I have English bikes But your English bikes don't run and so far you haven't been able to fix them. How many years has it been since you were regaling us with tales of the Royal Enfield Bullet and how difficult it was to repair? The Enfeild isn't hard to repair - but the fact is you never finish repairing. Like any Brit bike or car Goodpileofswill always gets it wrong..sadly. I own a Triumph T-120(V) with sidecar..and a Enfield Super Meteor. And of course the BMW R90/6 The Meteor is still undergoing restoration..so the question was a lie phrased by an utter moron. But he is well known for such buffoonery. If anyone finds a dash/headlight assembly for either an Indian Chief or Super Meteor.....Id love to talk to you. Else its going to continue to be a plain jane bobber..as it was imported into the US as an Indian. One of the last 10 ever released by Brockhouse. I wasnt even aware that the poor ******* was still alive..he having been in my Bozo Bin for a couple years by now. Notice the hate and fear he shows whenever I post something he thinks..thinks he knows something about. Just goes to show how mentally flawed and terribly mentally ill he shows himself to be. Shrug. Yup. Still restoring them? I can only "restore" means in High Desert lingo, "another pile of oily junk". As for Bozo Bins, I should certainly hope so. After all you simply can't have someone running around telling the truth about you. Can you. -- Cheers, Schweik |
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On 8/7/2017 9:13 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
If anyone finds a dash/headlight assembly for either an Indian Chief or Super Meteor.....Id love to talk to you. Else its going to continue to be a plain jane bobber..as it was imported into the US as an Indian. One of the last 10 ever released by Brockhouse. https://www.ebay.com/sch/items/?_nkw...ds=&rmvSB=true |
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On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 09:32:44 -0600, SeaSnake wrote:
On 8/7/2017 9:13 PM, Gunner Asch wrote: If anyone finds a dash/headlight assembly for either an Indian Chief or Super Meteor.....Id love to talk to you. Else its going to continue to be a plain jane bobber..as it was imported into the US as an Indian. One of the last 10 ever released by Brockhouse. https://www.ebay.com/sch/items/?_nkw...ds=&rmvSB=true Unfortunately....its NOT an Indian..its a Royal Enfield that was painted red and some bling added. This is closer to what I need... http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ROYAL-ENFI...-/112477448013 Unfortunately..that is for the India made Royal Enfields..not the British ones. This is what the Enfield Super Meteor looks like http://www.hitchcocksmotorcycles.com...e/USED2323.jpg Scroll down to 1953..... http://www.indianmotorcycle.com/en-us/history#1960 This is what an actual Indian Chief looks like: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...935_Barber.jpg This is what an imported British Indian Chief looks like: http://www.caclassicmotorcycles.com/chief3.jpg This is what MY Indian Chief/Enfield looks like: https://goo.gl/photos/zSL5ietBG8r75rGE9 In 1971 I had a guy come over to the house wanting to buy my Honda 350 Scrambler. He swapped that bike for my Honda. 3 weeks later I was in boot camp and didnt go back home for 5 yrs. Then I started working for an oil exploration company and was on the road and ultimately settled here in California. In 2008..a friend was going through Michigan and asked me if I wanted my bike brought out to California..so I got it in 2008. It hadnt been started in over 20 yrs and Ive NEVER ridden it. So I took delivery in September..got it fired up and running and was deciding on what to do with it..and in January of 2009..had a heart attack, heart surgery and a stroke. So during my recovery period..I disassmbled the bike and started polishing the cases, fixing this and that and then decided to paint it. I painted it after careful prep..a nice Chinese Red..and the paint never hardened. It was like window putty. So I stripped it again and hit it with flat black to keep it from rusting and its out in my cargo container, carefuly labled, along with all the Whitworth tools I purchased to fix it up. And it remains there. Im at the point that it needs some money to finish the restoration. Its not at the top of my cash outlay priority at the moment. But as Ive indicated..its getting better and I think..think...that I will be able to get it out on the road this next spring. Notice that the headlamp is wrong (from a Ford tractor)..its got a peanut tank (aftermarket) and the seat is absolutely incorrect. The bike had been used as a racer in Michigans Jackpine 500..a 500 mile off road endurance race through some of the nastiest wooded swamps in North America. http://www.ridingvintage.com/2013/06...rance-run.html I have a hard time understanding how anyone could strip down a Indian Chief and turn it into an Endurance bike..but it was done. Shrug. My bike is a 1961...according to the original registration which I have. So the bike was 10 yrs old when I got it..and it looked as the photos show. The only person to have ridden it..was my Dad. He called me up and asked me if he could get it running. Id bought him a minty minty BSA M20 while working in Arabia (found it in a crate in a camel shed) and had it shipped home for him to restore. It was a 1942 model with 97 miles on the odometer. Identical to this one. He restored it over the next winter and then rode it in parades and military bike meets for the next 15 yrs until he got too old to comfortably ride it/start it. Then he sold it (after getting my approval) for insane money to a collector. http://images.motorcycle-usa.com/Pho...leBSAM2012.jpg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqJ4zX8UVPQ Anyways..he got the Enfield/Indian running and rode it around the neighborhood for a few days and then ..he had a problem. He twisted the throttle hard..on a gravel road..the bike being one of the more powerful of the British bikes... and both hand grips came off...in his hands. He went off the back of the bike while wearing a t-shirt, shorts and running shoes. Now in Michigan..they salt the roads in the wintertime. And it remains over the summer, coating the gravel like a thin crust. So all the road rash he got...was filed with salt. Road rash on his hands, arms knees, thighs, ass and back. At about 50 mph. Didnt hurt the bike a bit..it settled into a big group of small pines and giggle bushes. Dad was a watchmaker/jeweler..and for the next 3 months..while the scabs were coming off..he was VERY uncomfortable working on tiny lil items on his jewelers bench.. Friends had retrieved the bike, put it in the garage and so it sat for another 12 or more years until I got it out to California. Its tucked not to far back in my mind that Ive got to get it running so I can ride it at least once...shrug. So as the money improves...Ill get to it. And Ill put on my leather/Kevlar riding gear before kicking it over and letting out the clutch for the first time. Ive had offers of $5k for it as it sits...shrug. They are worth a couple dollars these days. If I turn it into a clean little bobber...about $9-12k is what I can get out of it. You may have noticed other "Enfields". They are made in India..on the same tooling they were first made after India bought a production line from Enfield back in the 1930s. Only recently have they updated it..and the bikes they build..but they are half the price and they only make a 350 and a 500 cc single..though Ive heard that they were starting to build a twin cylinder bike in the last couple years... The new Indian bikes are supposed to be pretty decent for the type. Early ones..should be considered the same as a Chinese lathe...only a starting point to build a reliable machine from the parts.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Enfield There were NO British bikes that were ever as reliable and as smooth as a simple Honda...several came close..and at the top of the heap was Triumph and Royal Enfield. Gunner "There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps... then turn around and see somebody white and feel relieved." 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On Mon, 07 Aug 2017 20:13:32 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote: I own a Triumph T-120(V) with sidecar..and a Enfield Super Meteor. And of course the BMW R90/6 Talk talk talk talk talk I'm on about mile 2800 of a 6000 mile bike trip... right now. And what is the great biker of Taft doing? Oh yeah, right. Same as always. If anyone finds a dash/headlight assembly for either an Indian Chief or Super Meteor... LOL You may as well ask for a space shuttle computer knob, it would do you just as much good. You will NEVER ride a motorcycle again... and that's assuming you ever have. The million miles of "scooter" riding is as believable as the war vet nonsense etc. |
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