I have to purchase a blood pressure monitor for my wife. She has to
be able to use it by herself. There is a wide variety of styles (and
prices)

Im looking for some input as to the best bang for my buck. Ebay is
probably where I will purchase one, but there are so many types I dont
quite know where to start. Ive already done a bit of websearching, and
read the few reviews I could find, but none were particularly helpful,
nor was there a free "consumers report" site with any information
other than sales propaganda.

Anyone have any recommendations? Are the automatic wrist types
accurate enough for home use? While Im comfortable using the old bulb
and stethescope units, she is not, so something either fully automatic
or manually inflated, automatic read is what I have to get.
I do know the finger style is not particularly accurate, and she does
have reduced circulation due to her medical conditions.

Thanks in advance

Gunner

"Cosmic upheaval is not so moving as a little child pondering the death
of a sparrow in the corner of a barn." -Anouk Aimee, French Actor

On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 07:59:13 GMT, Gunner
wrote:

Anyone have any recommendations? Are the automatic wrist types
accurate enough for home use? While Im comfortable using the old bulb
and stethescope units, she is not, so something either fully automatic
or manually inflated, automatic read is what I have to get.
I do know the finger style is not particularly accurate, and she does
have reduced circulation due to her medical conditions.

Thanks in advance

Gunner


Well, my wife has an old Norelco automatic cuff that she's had for
years and it still works fine. One just puts on the cuff and hits a
button. It does the rest.

She says to avoid the wrist cuff ones. Hospital grade wrist cuffs are
okay but as of last time she checked, a couple weeks ago, doctors and
nurses were saying the ones available at most retail stores were
notoriously inaccurate in their opinions. She inquired with docs and
nurses she knows because a friend has had problems and needed to
purchase a monitor. And mentioned getting a wrist cuff type.

That's as much as I know. She has hers as part of the standard
medical kit she maintains around the house. And as it still works
fine, she's not had to replace it. So we're not familiar with more
recently made monitors. But I thought I'd mention the warning about
the cheap retail wrist cuffs.

Bob

On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 3:55:21 -0700, Bob G wrote
(in message ):

On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 07:59:13 GMT, Gunner
wrote:

Anyone have any recommendations?

But I thought I'd mention the warning about
the cheap retail wrist cuffs.

Bob


I agree. I've used a Norelco for years. Most of the home units are guaranteed
accurate within one percent. I prefer the kind where you pump up the cuff
yourself, but that's just me.

Hope this helps.

Roger in Vegas
Worlds Greatest Impulse Buyer

"Gunner" wrote in message
...
| I have to purchase a blood pressure monitor for my wife. She has to
| be able to use it by herself. There is a wide variety of styles
(and
| prices)
|
| Im looking for some input as to the best bang for my buck. Ebay is
| probably where I will purchase one, but there are so many types I
dont
| quite know where to start. Ive already done a bit of websearching,
and
| read the few reviews I could find, but none were particularly
helpful,
| nor was there a free "consumers report" site with any information
| other than sales propaganda.
|
| Anyone have any recommendations? Are the automatic wrist types
| accurate enough for home use? While Im comfortable using the old
bulb
| and stethescope units, she is not, so something either fully
automatic
| or manually inflated, automatic read is what I have to get.
| I do know the finger style is not particularly accurate, and she
does
| have reduced circulation due to her medical conditions.
|
| Thanks in advance
|
| Gunner
|
| "Cosmic upheaval is not so moving as a little child pondering the
death
| of a sparrow in the corner of a barn." -Anouk Aimee, French Actor

The unit I was just issued by the VA is a one step auto-inflation,
blood pressure monitor, by LifeSource. It has a Lifetime Warranty
(hope that's not a joke) and seems to be well made. Very compact.
Uses 4 AA batteries, not included. Comes in three models according to
cuff size: small--arm size 5.1-7.9", model no. UA-279; medium--arm
size 7.5-12.2", model no. UA-767V; and large--arm size 11.8-17.7,
model no. UA-767VL. Replacement cuffs are also available. You can
get them from a retailer or directly from LifeSource at
1-888-726-9966. Web site is at www.LifeSourceOnline.com

Now that I have the thing I'd like to use it for other applications,
but can't think of any offhand.

bookburn

Hey Gunner,

My wife uses a Walmart purchased :

LifeSource
Model UA-767

It is one of the ones for use on the bicep, or at least just above the
elbow. Works very well, and she says (although she can't find the
book at the moment) that it has a lifetime guarantee. I think it was
about 80 bucks Canadian.

Take care.

Brian Lawson,
Bothwell, Ontario.
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 07:59:13 GMT, Gunner
wrote:

I have to purchase a blood pressure monitor for my wife. She has to
be able to use it by herself. There is a wide variety of styles (and
prices)

Im looking for some input as to the best bang for my buck. Ebay is
probably where I will purchase one, but there are so many types I dont
quite know where to start. Ive already done a bit of websearching, and
read the few reviews I could find, but none were particularly helpful,
nor was there a free "consumers report" site with any information
other than sales propaganda.

Anyone have any recommendations? Are the automatic wrist types
accurate enough for home use? While Im comfortable using the old bulb
and stethescope units, she is not, so something either fully automatic
or manually inflated, automatic read is what I have to get.
I do know the finger style is not particularly accurate, and she does
have reduced circulation due to her medical conditions.

Thanks in advance

Gunner

"Cosmic upheaval is not so moving as a little child pondering the death
of a sparrow in the corner of a barn." -Anouk Aimee, French Actor

Hey Gunner,

Hit the Send button before the BRAIN ON button I guess! Anyway, it is
completely "automatic" after wrapping it on the arm and hitting
"start".

Brian.
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 07:59:13 GMT, Gunner
wrote:

I have to purchase a blood pressure monitor for my wife. She has to
be able to use it by herself. There is a wide variety of styles (and
prices)

Im looking for some input as to the best bang for my buck. Ebay is
probably where I will purchase one, but there are so many types I dont
quite know where to start. Ive already done a bit of websearching, and
read the few reviews I could find, but none were particularly helpful,
nor was there a free "consumers report" site with any information
other than sales propaganda.

Anyone have any recommendations? Are the automatic wrist types
accurate enough for home use? While Im comfortable using the old bulb
and stethescope units, she is not, so something either fully automatic
or manually inflated, automatic read is what I have to get.
I do know the finger style is not particularly accurate, and she does
have reduced circulation due to her medical conditions.

Thanks in advance

Gunner

"Cosmic upheaval is not so moving as a little child pondering the death
of a sparrow in the corner of a barn." -Anouk Aimee, French Actor

On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 07:59:13 GMT, Gunner
wrote:

I have to purchase a blood pressure monitor for my wife. She has to
be able to use it by herself. There is a wide variety of styles (and
prices)

Im looking for some input as to the best bang for my buck. Ebay is
probably where I will purchase one, but there are so many types I dont
quite know where to start. Ive already done a bit of websearching, and
read the few reviews I could find, but none were particularly helpful,
nor was there a free "consumers report" site with any information
other than sales propaganda.

Anyone have any recommendations? Are the automatic wrist types
accurate enough for home use? While Im comfortable using the old bulb
and stethescope units, she is not, so something either fully automatic
or manually inflated, automatic read is what I have to get.
I do know the finger style is not particularly accurate, and she does
have reduced circulation due to her medical conditions.

Thanks in advance

I have a Lumiscope 1080 I bought at Walgreen's a while back.
It is fully automatic and uses 4 AAs and fuzzy logic. It
seems to work well. I don't remember what it cost - less
than $100. If by "monitor" you mean something worn all the
time, I don't know anything about those.

--
Robert Sturgeon,
proud member of the vast right wing conspiracy
and the evil gun culture.
http://www.vistech.net/users/rsturge/

"Gunner" wrote in message
...
I have to purchase a blood pressure monitor for my wife. She has to
be able to use it by herself. There is a wide variety of styles (and
prices)

Most all are about the same, except for the high dollar ones. I had two
now, one a manual PITA self inflating one. The other one, an automatic pump
up kind. Buy the automatic pump up kind. It is MUCH easier to use,
therefore the patient will use it more often.

Steve

On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 07:59:13 GMT, Gunner wrote:

|| I have to purchase a blood pressure monitor for my wife. She has to
||be able to use it by herself. There is a wide variety of styles (and
||prices)

When the doc told me to start checking mine daily, I stopped by Walgreens and
bought the best one they had. It was the fully automatic unit. Put te cuff on,
hit the button, let it cycle through, read the results. Still works great, on
the original batteries. Cost about $75.
Rex in Fort Worth

On 12 Apr 2004 18:05:01 GMT, Ignoramus4468
wrote:

||In article , Rex B wrote:
|| On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 07:59:13 GMT, Gunner wrote:
||
|||| I have to purchase a blood pressure monitor for my wife. She has to
||||be able to use it by herself. There is a wide variety of styles (and
||||prices)
||
|| When the doc told me to start checking mine daily, I stopped by Walgreens
and
|| bought the best one they had. It was the fully automatic unit. Put te cuff
on,
|| hit the button, let it cycle through, read the results. Still works great,
on
|| the original batteries. Cost about $75.
|| Rex in Fort Worth
||
||Just for your information, losing weight on a sensible diet can
||dramatically help with BP issues. I lost 50 lbs and no longer have
||hypertension.

I'm 6'4", 199-lbs. A little round in the middle but no obesity that you'd
notice. I like a couple of beers in the evening, and I like salt on my steaks.
And coffee, though I'm moving to decaf. Need to excercidse more, though I'm
plenty active. Even on 10 mg Norvac I can't get below about 155/95. Need to get
a little lower to renew my SCCA license, which expires this month.
Rex in Fort Worth

On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 18:26:40 GMT, (Rex B)
wrote:

On 12 Apr 2004 18:05:01 GMT, Ignoramus4468
wrote:

||In article , Rex B wrote:
|| On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 07:59:13 GMT, Gunner wrote:
||
|||| I have to purchase a blood pressure monitor for my wife. She has to
||||be able to use it by herself. There is a wide variety of styles (and
||||prices)
||
|| When the doc told me to start checking mine daily, I stopped by Walgreens
and
|| bought the best one they had. It was the fully automatic unit. Put te cuff
on,
|| hit the button, let it cycle through, read the results. Still works great,
on
|| the original batteries. Cost about $75.
|| Rex in Fort Worth
||
||Just for your information, losing weight on a sensible diet can
||dramatically help with BP issues. I lost 50 lbs and no longer have
||hypertension.

I'm 6'4", 199-lbs. A little round in the middle but no obesity that you'd
notice. I like a couple of beers in the evening, and I like salt on my steaks.
And coffee, though I'm moving to decaf. Need to excercidse more, though I'm
plenty active. Even on 10 mg Norvac I can't get below about 155/95. Need to get
a little lower to renew my SCCA license, which expires this month.
Rex in Fort Worth

Chuckle..hypertension is one one of the wife's problems. After two
heart attacks, a double bypass, the resulting arrhythmia etc, a diet
of Coumadan and Amadron..her BP runs about 80/90..when its that high.
Lots of blood thinners.... monitored every couple weeks by her
oncologist and cardiac care specialists

she is 5'2", around 115lbs soaking wet with low normal choresteral.
Unfortunately, there is a family genetic predisposition to plugged
arteries, and a "best if used by date" that runs in one side of the
family. Her dad died at 45 from a heart attack, both her brothers had
heart attacks at 45 and she had hers at 45. She resembles her brothers
far more than the sisters and mom, who have no history of any heart
problems, so it was passed along the male side of the family.

5 angioplasties, two shunts, and she still plugs off, and she has very
very small veins and arteries according to her cardiac specialist.
They had a hell of a time figuring out why she builds plaque and plugs
off.

Gunner

"Cosmic upheaval is not so moving as a little child pondering the death
of a sparrow in the corner of a barn." -Anouk Aimee, French Actor

Gunner wrote:

I have to purchase a blood pressure monitor for my wife. She has to
be able to use it by herself. There is a wide variety of styles (and
prices)

Im looking for some input as to the best bang for my buck. Ebay is
probably where I will purchase one, but there are so many types I dont
quite know where to start. Ive already done a bit of websearching, and
read the few reviews I could find, but none were particularly helpful,
nor was there a free "consumers report" site with any information
other than sales propaganda.

Anyone have any recommendations? Are the automatic wrist types
accurate enough for home use? While Im comfortable using the old bulb
and stethescope units, she is not, so something either fully automatic
or manually inflated, automatic read is what I have to get.
I do know the finger style is not particularly accurate, and she does
have reduced circulation due to her medical conditions.

Thanks in advance

Gunner

"Cosmic upheaval is not so moving as a little child pondering the death
of a sparrow in the corner of a barn." -Anouk Aimee, French Actor
i got a Reli-On Digital Blood pressure monitor from Walgreens or K-mart
dont remember... had it about 4 yrs. and it works pretty goo.... its teh
cuff that goes over the arm.. you can use either some batteries or the
a/c adapter... i use the a/c adapter all the time.. friend has a cuff
you put on the wrist with just batteries and always has problems with
the batteries either slipping or not making contact and always getting
bad readings....
hope this helps., just make sure you can plug it in the wall.....

Gunner wrote in message . ..
I have to purchase a blood pressure monitor for my wife. She has to
be able to use it by herself. There is a wide variety of styles (and
prices)



I've got both a auto inflate cuff type and a finger cuff type that I
use. Both have been checked against a regular manual cuff and are
within 10 points or less of the manual cuff with a nurse doing the
reading. I like my finger unit because it is quick and is a lot less
bothersome to use than the cuff unit. Don't remember the cost for
sure, but I think it was under $50 retail. The only hitch that I
noticed with the finger unit is that it is somewhat noise sensitive
and that you need to keep the elbow a bit more straight that you would
think. I cured the noise problem by making sure that my arm wasn't
being supported directly on a hard surface and that I let the unit
hang on the index finger without touching the rest of my hand. If you
want the model number, I'll have to grab it when I get home in the
morning.

Craig C.

On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 07:59:13 GMT, Gunner
wrote:

I have to purchase a blood pressure monitor for my wife. She has to
be able to use it by herself. There is a wide variety of styles (and
prices)

Anyone have any recommendations? Are the automatic wrist types
accurate enough for home use?

Hi Gunner,

What ever you buy look for it to have approval from either the AAMI (
American Association for Medical Instruments) or BHS A/A ( British
Hypertension Society Grade A/A) accreditation. Also if your wife is
thin check on the cuff size as this can affect readings.

Avoid the wrist monitors they are not directly comparable with the
measurements you doc will get and the validity is disputed.

Here in the UK Omron and their M5-I ( around 70 -90 GBP) are the
market leader.

Check out http://www.hyp.ac.uk/bhs/bp_monitors/resources.htm This
gives some guidance on the validated types.


Neil

Gunner wrote in message . ..
I have to purchase a blood pressure monitor for my wife. She has to
be able to use it by herself. There is a wide variety of styles (and
prices)

Im looking for some input as to the best bang for my buck. Ebay is
probably where I will purchase one, but there are so many types I dont
quite know where to start. Ive already done a bit of websearching, and
read the few reviews I could find, but none were particularly helpful,
nor was there a free "consumers report" site with any information
other than sales propaganda.

Anyone have any recommendations? Are the automatic wrist types
accurate enough for home use? While Im comfortable using the old bulb
and stethescope units, she is not, so something either fully automatic
or manually inflated, automatic read is what I have to get.
I do know the finger style is not particularly accurate, and she does
have reduced circulation due to her medical conditions.

Thanks in advance

They are very good. You get the most accurate reading when you put it
around your neck, try it.
Mark K.


Gunner

"Cosmic upheaval is not so moving as a little child pondering the death
of a sparrow in the corner of a barn." -Anouk Aimee, French Actor

On 12 Apr 2004 13:25:12 -0700, (Mark K.)
wrote:

Gunner wrote in message . ..
I have to purchase a blood pressure monitor for my wife. She has to
be able to use it by herself. There is a wide variety of styles (and
prices)

Im looking for some input as to the best bang for my buck. Ebay is
probably where I will purchase one, but there are so many types I dont
quite know where to start. Ive already done a bit of websearching, and
read the few reviews I could find, but none were particularly helpful,
nor was there a free "consumers report" site with any information
other than sales propaganda.

Anyone have any recommendations? Are the automatic wrist types
accurate enough for home use? While Im comfortable using the old bulb
and stethescope units, she is not, so something either fully automatic
or manually inflated, automatic read is what I have to get.
I do know the finger style is not particularly accurate, and she does
have reduced circulation due to her medical conditions.

Thanks in advance

They are very good. You get the most accurate reading when you put it
around your neck, try it.
Mark K.

bye Zoomie

plink-global

Gunner



Gunner

"Cosmic upheaval is not so moving as a little child pondering the death
of a sparrow in the corner of a barn." -Anouk Aimee, French Actor

"Cosmic upheaval is not so moving as a little child pondering the death
of a sparrow in the corner of a barn." -Anouk Aimee, French Actor

In rec.crafts.metalworking Mark K. wrote:

Thanks in advance

They are very good. You get the most accurate reading when you
put it around your neck, try it.

Mark K.

One would think that a caring individual such as yourself
wouldn't stoop to the least common denominator.

On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 07:59:13 GMT, Gunner
shouted from the rooftop:

I have to purchase a blood pressure monitor for my wife. She has to
be able to use it by herself. There is a wide variety of styles (and
prices)

Omron HEM- 413C.
Simple enough that an old lady can use it.
Dead accurate.
Cheap.

Do not get the self inflating kind of monitor. They tend to make the
patient anxious by removing a layer of control. The anxiety will raise
BP.

-Carl
"An honest man doesn't need a long memory"- Jesse Ventura

On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 07:59:13 GMT, Gunner wrote:

I have to purchase a blood pressure monitor for my wife. She has to
be able to use it by herself. There is a wide variety of styles (and
prices)

Im looking for some input as to the best bang for my buck. Ebay is
probably where I will purchase one, but there are so many types I dont
quite know where to start. Ive already done a bit of websearching, and
read the few reviews I could find, but none were particularly helpful,
nor was there a free "consumers report" site with any information
other than sales propaganda.

Anyone have any recommendations? Are the automatic wrist types
accurate enough for home use? While Im comfortable using the old bulb
and stethescope units, she is not, so something either fully automatic
or manually inflated, automatic read is what I have to get.
I do know the finger style is not particularly accurate, and she does
have reduced circulation due to her medical conditions.

Thanks in advance

Gunner

"Cosmic upheaval is not so moving as a little child pondering the death
of a sparrow in the corner of a barn." -Anouk Aimee, French Actor

What ever model you decide on have your wife take it with her
next time she sees her doctor.
Her doctor will make sure that she is using it correctly and that it
gives accurate readings.

Bad Bob

Gunner wrote:

I have to purchase a blood pressure monitor for my wife. She has to
be able to use it by herself. There is a wide variety of styles (and
prices)

Im looking for some input as to the best bang for my buck. Ebay is
probably where I will purchase one, but there are so many types I dont
quite know where to start. Ive already done a bit of websearching, and
read the few reviews I could find, but none were particularly helpful,
nor was there a free "consumers report" site with any information
other than sales propaganda.

Anyone have any recommendations? Are the automatic wrist types
accurate enough for home use? While Im comfortable using the old bulb
and stethescope units, she is not, so something either fully automatic
or manually inflated, automatic read is what I have to get.
I do know the finger style is not particularly accurate, and she does
have reduced circulation due to her medical conditions.

Thanks in advance

Gunner

"Cosmic upheaval is not so moving as a little child pondering the death
of a sparrow in the corner of a barn." -Anouk Aimee, French Actor
Try something like an Omron HEM-608. It's about 3" square and runs for
months on two AAA cells. Small enough to drop into her purse. It's a wrist
band. Just slip it around the wrist and press the "ON" and then "Start"
buttons and read the answer. I've seen them used at a local nursing home,
so I would assume the accurach is reasnoable.
--
Keith Bowers - Thomasville, NC

The one my wife uses is an Omron HEM-712C. It's an auto-inflating cuff type.
Her doctor approved of it and she doesn't have any trouble using it and that's
saying something. She has absolutely no mechanical aptitude. The woman
doesn't even know which end of a screwdriver you're supposed to beat on.

Richard Coke

On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 18:26:40 GMT, (Rex B)
wrote:

On 12 Apr 2004 18:05:01 GMT, Ignoramus4468
wrote:

||In article , Rex B wrote:
|| On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 07:59:13 GMT, Gunner wrote:
||
|||| I have to purchase a blood pressure monitor for my wife. She has to
||||be able to use it by herself. There is a wide variety of styles (and
||||prices)
||
|| When the doc told me to start checking mine daily, I stopped by Walgreens
and
|| bought the best one they had. It was the fully automatic unit. Put te cuff
on,
|| hit the button, let it cycle through, read the results. Still works great,
on
|| the original batteries. Cost about $75.
|| Rex in Fort Worth
||
||Just for your information, losing weight on a sensible diet can
||dramatically help with BP issues. I lost 50 lbs and no longer have
||hypertension.

I'm 6'4", 199-lbs. A little round in the middle but no obesity that you'd
notice. I like a couple of beers in the evening, and I like salt on my steaks.
And coffee, though I'm moving to decaf. Need to excercidse more, though I'm
plenty active. Even on 10 mg Norvac I can't get below about 155/95. Need to get
a little lower to renew my SCCA license, which expires this month.
Rex in Fort Worth

That doesn't seem like a bad height to weight ratio. Mine was 152/126
if you put me in a dark room and make me lie down for 20 mins. it
comes out below normal.

My wife is going to be close to the level of Gunner's situation soon.
She has something like progressive psoriatic arthritis and 38 yrs.
old. The other day I was asked to put her socks on , and not long ago
she had to have her wedding ring cut off by the doctor.

As to Gunner's post below this , Hmmm fathers side... From my
mothers' side I'll kick from a heart attack under 60. From my dads'
side I'll end up like Reagan past 70 or more likely murdered under
50. As long as I don't go by my fear of kicking while in a swimming
pool with no water in it , I guess anything else would be fine by me
as long as its quick.

Won't have to worry with numbers like that , about going slow that is.

On 12 Apr 2004 23:25:11 GMT, Ignoramus4468
wrote:

In article , Gunner wrote:
On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 18:26:40 GMT, (Rex B)
wrote:

On 12 Apr 2004 18:05:01 GMT, Ignoramus4468
wrote:

||In article , Rex B wrote:
|| On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 07:59:13 GMT, Gunner wrote:
||
|||| I have to purchase a blood pressure monitor for my wife. She has to
||||be able to use it by herself. There is a wide variety of styles (and
||||prices)
||
|| When the doc told me to start checking mine daily, I stopped by Walgreens
and
|| bought the best one they had. It was the fully automatic unit. Put te cuff
on,
|| hit the button, let it cycle through, read the results. Still works great,
on
|| the original batteries. Cost about $75.
|| Rex in Fort Worth
||
||Just for your information, losing weight on a sensible diet can
||dramatically help with BP issues. I lost 50 lbs and no longer have
||hypertension.

I'm 6'4", 199-lbs. A little round in the middle but no obesity that you'd
notice. I like a couple of beers in the evening, and I like salt on my steaks.
And coffee, though I'm moving to decaf. Need to excercidse more, though I'm
plenty active. Even on 10 mg Norvac I can't get below about 155/95. Need to get
a little lower to renew my SCCA license, which expires this month.
Rex in Fort Worth

Chuckle..hypertension is one one of the wife's problems. After two
heart attacks, a double bypass, the resulting arrhythmia etc, a diet
of Coumadan and Amadron..her BP runs about 80/90..when its that high.
Lots of blood thinners.... monitored every couple weeks by her
oncologist and cardiac care specialists

she is 5'2", around 115lbs soaking wet with low normal choresteral.
Unfortunately, there is a family genetic predisposition to plugged
arteries, and a "best if used by date" that runs in one side of the
family. Her dad died at 45 from a heart attack, both her brothers had
heart attacks at 45 and she had hers at 45. She resembles her brothers
far more than the sisters and mom, who have no history of any heart
problems, so it was passed along the male side of the family.

5 angioplasties, two shunts, and she still plugs off, and she has very
very small veins and arteries according to her cardiac specialist.
They had a hell of a time figuring out why she builds plaque and plugs
off.

Scary stuff. I hope that you two have a good long life together.

i
It was 30 yrs Oct 30. (on and off..mostly on)

Gunner

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--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

In article ,
Gunner wrote:

.......
Unfortunately, there is a family genetic predisposition to plugged
arteries, and a "best if used by date" that runs in one side of the
family. Her dad died at 45 from a heart attack, both her brothers had
heart attacks at 45 and she had hers at 45. She resembles her brothers
far more than the sisters and mom, who have no history of any heart
problems, so it was passed along the male side of the family.

5 angioplasties, two shunts, and she still plugs off, and she has very
very small veins and arteries according to her cardiac specialist.
They had a hell of a time figuring out why she builds plaque and plugs
off.

Alcohol is well known to keep arteries clean

--
free men own guns - slaves don't
www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5357/

On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 07:40:37 -0400, Nick Hull
wrote:

In article ,
Gunner wrote:

......
Unfortunately, there is a family genetic predisposition to plugged
arteries, and a "best if used by date" that runs in one side of the
family. Her dad died at 45 from a heart attack, both her brothers had
heart attacks at 45 and she had hers at 45. She resembles her brothers
far more than the sisters and mom, who have no history of any heart
problems, so it was passed along the male side of the family.

5 angioplasties, two shunts, and she still plugs off, and she has very
very small veins and arteries according to her cardiac specialist.
They had a hell of a time figuring out why she builds plaque and plugs
off.

Alcohol is well known to keep arteries clean

Ive suggested some rich red wine daily, but she doesnt like the taste
and is afraid it might interact with her meds. You can lead a horse
to water....shrug

Gunner

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In article , Bad Bob
writes:

What ever model you decide on have your wife take it with her
next time she sees her doctor.
Her doctor will make sure that she is using it correctly and that it
gives accurate readings.

Many people develop high blood pressure AT the doctor's office.
--
Cliff

In article , Gunner
writes:

Thanks in advance

They are very good. You get the most accurate reading when you put
it
around your neck, try it.
Mark K.

bye Zoomie

plink-global

LOL .... And I was about to suggest that she not use it with
Gunner in the area. But I think they already had that covered as
she is to use it alone ....
--
Cliff

In article , Gunner
writes:

Im looking for some input as to the best bang for my buck. Ebay is
probably where I will purchase one, but there are so many types I
dont
quite know where to start. Ive already done a bit of websearching,
and
read the few reviews I could find, but none were particularly
helpful,
nor was there a free "consumers report" site with any information
other than sales propaganda.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&safe=off&q=%22consumer+reports%22+%22Blood+press ure+monitors%22

HTH

Someone copy this post so that Gunner cannot claim he did not see it
BSEG.
--
Cliff

In article ,
Gunner wrote:

Alcohol is well known to keep arteries clean

Ive suggested some rich red wine daily, but she doesnt like the taste
and is afraid it might interact with her meds. You can lead a horse
to water....shrug

I don't particularly like the taste either, but it's usually possible to
find some alcoholic product whose taste is at least acceptable. If you
take it *between* med times interaction is minimized. If you invent a
"piece of choclate + wine" therapy it might go down.

--
free men own guns - slaves don't
www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5357/

"Gunner" wrote in message
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| On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 07:40:37 -0400, Nick Hull
| wrote:
|

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| Alcohol is well known to keep arteries clean
|
| Ive suggested some rich red wine daily, but she doesnt like the taste
| and is afraid it might interact with her meds. You can lead a horse
| to water....shrug
|
| Gunner
|

Since she's taking coumadin, you should check with her physician before
trying to talk her into wine. A glass daily /may/ be OK but you should
check first. Coumadin interacts with almost everything.

TK


--

Cogito ergo Bibo

"TDKozan" s p o wrote in message
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|
|
| "Gunner" wrote in message
| ...
| | On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 07:40:37 -0400, Nick Hull

| | wrote:
| |
|
| snip
|
| | Alcohol is well known to keep arteries clean
| |
| | Ive suggested some rich red wine daily, but she doesnt like the
taste
| | and is afraid it might interact with her meds. You can lead a
horse
| | to water....shrug
| |
| | Gunner
| |
|
| Since she's taking coumadin, you should check with her physician
before
| trying to talk her into wine. A glass daily /may/ be OK but you
should
| check first. Coumadin interacts with almost everything.
|
| TK
|
|
| --
|
| Cogito ergo Bibo

From what the jungle drums are saying, garlic and asperin are good. bb
|

In article ,
Gunner wrote:
I have to purchase a blood pressure monitor for my wife. She has to
be able to use it by herself. There is a wide variety of styles (and
prices)

Im looking for some input as to the best bang for my buck. Ebay is
probably where I will purchase one, but there are so many types I dont
quite know where to start. Ive already done a bit of websearching, and
read the few reviews I could find, but none were particularly helpful,
nor was there a free "consumers report" site with any information
other than sales propaganda.

Anyone have any recommendations? Are the automatic wrist types
accurate enough for home use? While Im comfortable using the old bulb
and stethescope units, she is not, so something either fully automatic
or manually inflated, automatic read is what I have to get.
I do know the finger style is not particularly accurate, and she does
have reduced circulation due to her medical conditions.

Thanks in advance

I've purchased a BPM from Radio Shack ($50) with no great
expectations. I brought it with me to the next visit to the doctor.
We compared measurements with his cuff and find it's within a couple
percent, and acceptable.

I have real thick wrists (I always have to special-order wrist watch
straps.) On the right wrist these sensor missed the artery. At the
Doc's suggestion to put it on the left wrist, swapped around so the
numbers on the display are upside down. This positions the sensor over
the artery. Your wife probably won't have the wrist problem.
















--
Al Dykes
-----------
adykes at p a n i x . c o m

| trying to talk her into wine. A glass daily /may/ be OK but you
should
| check first. Coumadin interacts with almost everything.
|


From what the jungle drums are saying, garlic and asperin are good. bb
|

Warferin.. err.. Coumadin and asprin are both blood thinners,
If you're on Coumadin, you should talk to either a doctor or,
preferably, a pharmacist, about interactions with ANYTHING else
you're taking medicinally. Even Grapefruit juice. Garlic is a
vermifage,
I wouldn't eat that in mega-doses without advice, either.

" wrote in message ...
| trying to talk her into wine. A glass daily /may/ be OK but you
should
| check first. Coumadin interacts with almost everything.
|


From what the jungle drums are saying, garlic and asperin are good. bb
|

Warferin.. err.. Coumadin and asprin are both blood thinners,
If you're on Coumadin, you should talk to either a doctor or,
preferably, a pharmacist, about interactions with ANYTHING else
you're taking medicinally. Even Grapefruit juice. Garlic is a
vermifage,


Vermifuge.
I don't quite see why any are concerned about Gunner's worms.

I wouldn't eat that in mega-doses without advice, either.

g
--
Cliff

keith bowers wrote:
Gunner wrote:


I have to purchase a blood pressure monitor for my wife. She has to
be able to use it by herself. There is a wide variety of styles (and
prices)

Im looking for some input as to the best bang for my buck. Ebay is
probably where I will purchase one, but there are so many types I dont
quite know where to start. Ive already done a bit of websearching, and
read the few reviews I could find, but none were particularly helpful,
nor was there a free "consumers report" site with any information
other than sales propaganda.

Anyone have any recommendations? Are the automatic wrist types
accurate enough for home use? While Im comfortable using the old bulb
and stethescope units, she is not, so something either fully automatic
or manually inflated, automatic read is what I have to get.
I do know the finger style is not particularly accurate, and she does
have reduced circulation due to her medical conditions.

Thanks in advance

Gunner

"Cosmic upheaval is not so moving as a little child pondering the death
of a sparrow in the corner of a barn." -Anouk Aimee, French Actor

Try something like an Omron HEM-608. It's about 3" square and runs for
months on two AAA cells. Small enough to drop into her purse. It's a wrist
band. Just slip it around the wrist and press the "ON" and then "Start"
buttons and read the answer. I've seen them used at a local nursing home,
so I would assume the accurach is reasnoable.
the most accurate are the mercury ones
try to at least ca;ibrate your intrument against it
take you bp at least 5 times and average the results
sounds like yoiur wife is at high risk for cardiac evernts--are you by
any chance stressing her?

Cliff Huprich wrote:
In article , Bad Bob
writes:


What ever model you decide on have your wife take it with her
next time she sees her doctor.
Her doctor will make sure that she is using it correctly and that it
gives accurate readings.
once agin be careful here--make sure the md uses a mercury one and
compares the readings to it
might be a good placwe to calibrate the store baught one--



Many people develop high blood pressure AT the doctor's office.

My mom uses a OMRON HEM-704C and says it's as accurate as the doctor's
office (they checked it there). She likes it for travel because the lid
holds the cup and everything is protected. It's rather large for a purse.
Uses it twice a day and can't remember the last battery replacement though
likely 6-12 months. She said the wrist and finger units aren't as accurate,
but it's also been a while since she was shopping for one.

Joel. phx

"ilaboo" wrote in message
hlink.net...
keith bowers wrote:
Gunner wrote:


I have to purchase a blood pressure monitor for my wife. She has to
be able to use it by herself. There is a wide variety of styles (and
Try something like an Omron HEM-608. It's about 3" square and runs for
months on two AAA cells. Small enough to drop into her purse. It's a
wrist
band. Just slip it around the wrist and press the "ON" and then "Start"
buttons and read the answer. I've seen them used at a local nursing
home,
so I would assume the accurach is reasnoable.
the most accurate are the mercury ones
try to at least ca;ibrate your intrument against it
take you bp at least 5 times and average the results
sounds like yoiur wife is at high risk for cardiac evernts--are you by
any chance stressing her?

I had one of those Omron automatics. Maybe it was just mine, but after
a few months it was inaccurate as hell. I wound up throwing it away. I
would never buy another cheap digital automatic BP meter. Now I just
go to my local fire station. The guys are great and they are *good*.
They give me a log which I keep in my wallet. If I were going to get
another unit I'd get one like my mom (an MD) had -- one of the old
mercury ones.

Just my 2¢ worth ..

Grant

Joel Corwith wrote:
My mom uses a OMRON HEM-704C and says it's as accurate as the doctor's
office (they checked it there). She likes it for travel because the lid
holds the cup and everything is protected. It's rather large for a purse.
Uses it twice a day and can't remember the last battery replacement though
likely 6-12 months. She said the wrist and finger units aren't as accurate,
but it's also been a while since she was shopping for one.

Joel. phx

"ilaboo" wrote in message
hlink.net...

keith bowers wrote:

Gunner wrote:



I have to purchase a blood pressure monitor for my wife. She has to
be able to use it by herself. There is a wide variety of styles (and

Try something like an Omron HEM-608. It's about 3" square and runs for
months on two AAA cells. Small enough to drop into her purse. It's a

wrist

band. Just slip it around the wrist and press the "ON" and then "Start"
buttons and read the answer. I've seen them used at a local nursing

home,

so I would assume the accurach is reasnoable.

the most accurate are the mercury ones
try to at least ca;ibrate your intrument against it
take you bp at least 5 times and average the results
sounds like yoiur wife is at high risk for cardiac evernts--are you by
any chance stressing her?

Get the doctor to use your monitor first, he or she should not be under
stress that could affect the reading and compare the reading with his
equipment. Do NOT use mercury based systems, they are very much out of date
and contain mercury for crying out loud. They are banned in the UK for this
reason.

Rik


"ilaboo" wrote in message
hlink.net...
Cliff Huprich wrote:
In article , Bad Bob
writes:


What ever model you decide on have your wife take it with her
next time she sees her doctor.
Her doctor will make sure that she is using it correctly and that it
gives accurate readings.
once agin be careful here--make sure the md uses a mercury one and
compares the readings to it
might be a good placwe to calibrate the store baught one--



Many people develop high blood pressure AT the doctor's office.

I have a ten year old $35 Marshall 80 digital Sphygmomanometer for
home use that is as accurate as the 14 Lumishygs that I have in the
office (they cost a lost more than $35). Still have two mercury
filled ones too. They work great and are used to calibrate all the
others.

regards,
Jim