On 21 Mar 2006 04:00:42 -0800, wrote:


Gunner wrote:
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 09:46:13 +0000 (UTC), "Northern Raider"
wrote:




Google the name of the island and Anthrax...and you can see what the
Brits do with THEIR wmds......we store ours safely....they poison the
land for 50 yrs

Gunner

Your WMDs like those used for years on Bikini atoll, or what about Nagasaki,
Hiroshima, parts of New Mexico, What about your agent orange in Nam, yeah
you ****ers are really responsible................................BTW
Gruniard is now completely safe and being used again.

And it took 50 yrs and how many lives of the local villagers and
fishermen?

Bikini and other test sites were uninhabited.

Nagasaki and Hiroshima...well...lets match them against Dresden shall
we?

New Mexico?

Yeh, New Mexico. That's where we hurled the earth at an alien
spacecraft and hit it. We're so evil that we even used the earth
itself as a WMD.

OOOOO!!!!! Neat!

Gunner



"A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them;
the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences."
- Proverbs 22:3

On 21 Mar 2006 04:10:21 -0800, "Andrew VK3BFA"
wrote:


Gunner wrote:

Cant speak for the Harleys..but when I was in North Africa..I bought a
very nice M-20 (BSA 500 military messenger bike) still in the crate.
Found it in the back of a camel shed under a pile of Stuff. Had 7
miles on the odometer. Back checking...it came over with Monty in
1940..and disappeared. My Dad rides it in parades and what not
occasionally.
This in 1974
Gunner

Gee, Gunner, - thats AMAZING!!!! - you must be bloody good, nearly 30
years in the desert and you go it running......reminds me of the time
when I was in far north Queensland in the 1970's (strange time frame,
that - many weird things a happening...) - I stumbled across the wreck
of an American B24 Bomber. - as was not unusual in the WW2 days, it
had got lost coming back from New Guinea and run out of fuel. It was
empty, the crew had bailed out before it crashed.

Actually...it took my Dad about 8 yrs on an off to get it running.
Every bit of rubber on the bike was history, the leather in the seat,
cable covers etc was desicated and falling off, and so forth.

He wound up joinng several of the British Military Vehicle Collectors
associations to get enough of the proper replacement parts to put it
to rights. It did come with the original tool kit though..so that
helped. Wentworth wrenchs and so forth were not all that common in
Michigan.

It was in a state of near perfect preservation - later on. a biologist
told me that it had landed in a swamp full of rare jellyfish who had a
natural affinity for aluminium - they had wrapped themselves around it
and then died. The swamp drained in later years, which is how I found
it. (Early global warming..) By another amazing co-incidence, it had
done a near perfect wheels down landing - the pilot must have lowered
the undercarriage just before he bailed out.

Being a radio nut, I checked out the radio gear. I jury rigged a 24v dc
supply from my Landrover main and auxillary batteries, and powered it
up, not expecting much. American quality to the rescue - it fired up,
in near perfect working order. I managed to have a few CW contacts on
a length of wire I had in the truck thrown into the trees....
Amazing!!!!!!!.........

I knew this was the find of the century, so I shot a roll of film to
get some proof, and marked the map position by dead reckoning - alas,
it was not to be...

On the way back to Cairns, my dog (a Blue Heeler cattle dog, best dog I
ever had) got the munchies and ate the roll of film (*******...) - he
also ate most of my supplies as well. Things were getting grim - I had
to survive off the land. A creek crossing flooded the Landrover - they
always had lousy electrics - and I lost the map - reduced to a sodden
mass.....

I was now on foot, nothing but my "man purse" full of survivalist gear
to see me through. By another AMAZING coincidence, I was picked up by
this Hippy Chick who though I was Gods Gift as I reeked of gun oil -
she said it reminded her of her old man. We had a great time for a few
weeks.....

Now, I am middle aged with nothing but memories - married, with
kids/grandkids - always meant to go back, try to find the crash site
again , do some recovery. Alas, tis not to be - instead, I just wax
lyrical on the internet groups, sure that people have had similar
experiences and want to share them.......

Andrew VK3BFA.


Lol...well done.

Gunner



"A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them;
the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences."
- Proverbs 22:3

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On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 19:20:58 GMT, Gunner wrote:


Its often a way that the incompetent, weak, stupid or lame can avoid
facing their issues. Self Esteem is all important..no matter how
worthless they are.

Found those "WMDs" yet?
--
Cliff

I love it, No WMD in Iraq but long after salt 3 the yanks ""
Accidentally" found 300 tons of chemical munitions they "" forgot"" in a
bunker in washington.


yes some were...namely enriched uranium,mustard gas..and i think sarin
was.But all you hear from the media is "no wmd's were found" which is a
LIE.

"a lie repeated often enough becomes the truth."----George Orwell

Give the quantities of said WMD found too please ?

--
I am from the Government , I am here to help you .
My mistake..not "enriched" just natural uranium (500 tons) and the
equipment to enrich it and a ballistic missle program.
and sarin gas and mustard gas.......
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=38213
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn3860
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/3872201.stm
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,120137,00.html
http://www.humaneventsonline.com/sarticle.php?id=10101
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2...5/114037.shtml

On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 10:45:29 +0000 (UTC), "Northern Raider"
wrote:

"Cliff" wrote in message
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On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 10:08:39 GMT, Gunner wrote:

Nasty stuff that Anthrax, when you let it
loose

Lets see which two nations keep Anthrax on hand for militarey application
today, Russia and America, which nation lost samples of mil spec anthrax ?
America, which nation had a domestic terrorism incident using anthrax?
America

And it traced right back (genetics) to the US military & the CIA ....
interesting timing too. HAD to be advance planning I'd think to
coincide so well with 9-11.
BTW, I wonder what that paper in Florida was about to publish.

BTW-II - Anyone recall the claims that the US had no bio-agents
and that all research was defensive? You don't need stockpiled
of weaponized grades/strains for that AFAIK.
Then it ended up that they had no stockpiled (defensive) meds ...
just call your usual doctor ....
A bit odd how it was sent to Democrats too ... a bit of a threat?
--
Cliff

On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 11:21:34 GMT, Gunner wrote:

The British then moved to Maralinga in South Australia between
September 27, 1956 and October 9, 1957, and unleashed an orgy of tests
on the sacred ground known to the Pitjantjatjara people as the "Field
of Thunder". This time, military personnel were deliberately exposed
to test the effects of radiation on live subjects. The Traditional
Owners were left inside the test areas and many were horribly injured
by the black rain that brought the radiation into their camp grounds.
But the British military was more than satisfied with its genocidal
creation.

And you "think", as usual, that any of this justifies your usual
idiocy?
Bend over ...
--
Cliff

On 21 Mar 2006 04:05:23 -0800, wrote:


Gunner wrote:
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 10:37:49 +0000 (UTC), "Northern Raider"
wrote:


"Cliff" wrote in message
news On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 10:07:42 GMT, Gunner wrote:

Bikini and other test sites were uninhabited.

Not really.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/d...00/2781419.stm
http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/world/A0807551.html
--
Gunner proven wrong again, now there is a
suprise.......................................... ...................

You evidently missed this part:

Bikini , atoll, c.2 sq mi (5.2 sq km), W central Pacific, one of the
Ralik Chain, Marshall Islands. It comprises 36 islets on a reef 25 mi
(40 km) long. After its inhabitants were removed (1946) to Rongerik,
Bikini was the scene of 23 U.S. atomic and hydrogen bomb tests
(1946-58). The natives were transferred from Rongerik to Ujelang in
1947 and in 1949 were resettled on Kili.

Now if they were moved far away in 1946....it would appear to be
uninhabited. Is this a true statement?

Gunner

I see the method. They state a lie and a link, and make the assumption
that no one will read their reference.

"were uninhabited" "inhabitants were removed"

HTH With your reading comprehension disability.
--
Cliff

On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 15:31:38 GMT, Gunner wrote:

They were unwillingly relocated so America could vapourise their islands

Unlawfully? Got cites?

"Unlawfully"? You think the neocons did it?

As I recall..they were paid hamdsomely.

You missed the news, eh?

This of course does not excuse
your attempt to lie about the subject.

Hence your lies.
--
Cliff

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On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 19:20:58 GMT, Gunner wrote:



Its often a way that the incompetent, weak, stupid or lame can avoid
facing their issues. Self Esteem is all important..no matter how
worthless they are.

Found those "WMDs" yet?
--
Cliff

I love it, No WMD in Iraq but long after salt 3 the yanks ""
Accidentally" found 300 tons of chemical munitions they "" forgot"" in a
bunker in washington.


yes some were...namely enriched uranium,mustard gas..and i think sarin
was.But all you hear from the media is "no wmd's were found" which is a
LIE.

"a lie repeated often enough becomes the truth."----George Orwell

Give the quantities of said WMD found too please ?

--
I am from the Government , I am here to help you .

My mistake..not "enriched" just natural uranium (500 tons) and the
equipment to enrich it and a ballistic missle program.
and sarin gas and mustard gas.......
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=38213

500 tons of uranium , at a declared nuclear site .... OK , that was a
break thru ... and the finding of uranium at nuclear sites is suprising
I must admit ....

AND the capability to restart a chemical weapons program ....

And some stuff that described as "if its not chemical weapons , what is
it? "thats incriminating ...

FWIW , have you had experience in dealing with ordinary ag chemicals in
their concerntrated forms ?


http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn3860

wow , imprssive ... are they also concerned about the tons of nials and
bolts that can be combined with conventional explosives and used to
cause havok , and the ag chemicals that the same can be said of , and
the explosives theyuse , Iheard they was simply recycling what as
chucked at them and doindg a return to sender thing with it ...

BUt anyway , yeah , blow th crap outa the xray machnes and rid the
country of health resources cos they canbe angerous ..

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/3872201.stm

**** , its been discovered Iraq had a declared nuclear program , THE
*******S , why didnt they tell anyone about this ??

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,120137,00.html

one solitary shell of each ... and the expected projections there will
be more ... wow ... WMD hey ? huge scale , clear and present danger ...
and both shells were used as IEDs and did the Mass Destruction f ... how
much again ??

http://www.humaneventsonline.com/sarticle.php?id=10101

• Found: 1.77 metric tons of enriched uranium

( on a declared nuke site .... not mentioned in article tho )


• Found: 1,500 gallons of chemical weapons

( still not proven not to be the pesticides they are labeled as , tho
pesticides DO make good chemical weapons )


• Found: Roadside bomb loaded with sarin gas

( THE WMD !!! )


• Found: 1,000 radioactive materials--ideal for radioactive dirty bombs

( noted that there isnno mention of these sources being hospital gear
and industrial gear thats normal in the US and equaly radioactive ...
bloody crime leting themhave medical stuff ..)


• Found: 17 chemical warheads--some containing cyclosarin, a nerve agent
five times more powerful than sarin

( condition and unusability not mentioned tho , wonder why ? and this is
compared to haw many tons of chemical weapons the US "found"in their own
backyard again ?? )



http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2...5/114037.shtml



wow , a possible ten shells , or maybe even as many as 12 shells filled
with ( out of date ) chemical weapons ... compared to this being the
justification for launchna wa r , and the US having sucsessfull
demonstrated how easy it is to lose hundreds of tons of shemical weapons
themselvs ....

its damming , obviously the war was justified .

the proof is in the pudding as it were , Bush got re-elected .

OK sarcasm aside , you got a handfull of shells , nuke stuff at a nuke
site , and non properly declared remote control planes .....

the nukes was declared and youre beating the propaganda drumby carying
on about it , the intel and leads , I give as much credence as the intel
and leads that launched the war ...

youre left with 1 sarin shell confirmed , 1 possible mustard gas shell ,
both used in IEDs ...

there is 14 shells that have been reported as being capable of being
used as chemical weapons delivery systems and as in the report you quote
, are actualy full of unidentified chemical .

16 shells in total ....

and allready declared nuclear stuff and radio control planes with no
propper fille dout paper work ....

On US home ground , IIRC it was 300 tons of chemical weapons they lost
and just found again ...

is the same leeway to be allowed no one else BUT the US in this regard ??

300 tons of chemical weapons , vs a possible 14 , maybe 16 shells in
Iraq .....

seems kinda skewed to me ..


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Cliff wrote:
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 10:45:29 +0000 (UTC), "Northern Raider"
wrote:


"Cliff" wrote in message
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On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 10:08:39 GMT, Gunner wrote:


Nasty stuff that Anthrax, when you let it
loose

Lets see which two nations keep Anthrax on hand for militarey application
today, Russia and America, which nation lost samples of mil spec anthrax ?
America, which nation had a domestic terrorism incident using anthrax?
America


And it traced right back (genetics) to the US military & the CIA ....
interesting timing too. HAD to be advance planning I'd think to
coincide so well with 9-11.
BTW, I wonder what that paper in Florida was about to publish.

BTW-II - Anyone recall the claims that the US had no bio-agents
and that all research was defensive? You don't need stockpiled
of weaponized grades/strains for that AFAIK.


You DO , for pre-emptive self defensive strikes ....as Iraq was IIRC..

Then it ended up that they had no stockpiled (defensive) meds ...
just call your usual doctor ....
A bit odd how it was sent to Democrats too ... a bit of a threat?


--
I am from the Government , I am here to help you .

Cliff wrote:
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 11:21:34 GMT, Gunner wrote:


The British then moved to Maralinga in South Australia between
September 27, 1956 and October 9, 1957, and unleashed an orgy of tests
on the sacred ground known to the Pitjantjatjara people as the "Field
of Thunder". This time, military personnel were deliberately exposed
to test the effects of radiation on live subjects. The Traditional
Owners were left inside the test areas and many were horribly injured
by the black rain that brought the radiation into their camp grounds.
But the British military was more than satisfied with its genocidal
creation.


And you "think", as usual, that any of this justifies your usual
idiocy?
Bend over ...


It justifies nothing , and is a continuing embarrassment to the Govts
both AU and UK .... more so that the AU govt expected that the info
gained would be shared , but the AU govt wsnt to be trusted ,and never
got the bomb even tho its got the problems ever since from the
developing of it ....

its also a continuing pain to my people ....but the comforting thing is
, its not them alone who suffer , there were dust storms that blew the
radioactive dust from the inland sites over as far as Newcastle , on the
coast . EVERYONE pretty much gets a bit ....and people wonder why we got
more cancers here than most other places ..... ( OK speculation on
co-incidence )

THe good thing out of it ? it gives a radioactive layer of sediment that
has been real useful for more accurate dating of archeologial finds .....

but the cost of this ????? itll never be admitted , to politically
sensitive .


--
I am from the Government , I am here to help you .

Gunner wrote:

He wound up joinng several of the British Military Vehicle Collectors
associations to get enough of the proper replacement parts to put it
to rights. It did come with the original tool kit though..so that
helped. Wentworth wrenchs and so forth were not all that common in
_________
Michigan.

Gunner

Gunner, Thats Whitworth My Berkley had a few. :-(
...lew...

Gunner wrote:

New Mexico?


Not to worry. Anyone can visit Trinity site two times a
year. Been there and I dont glow in the dark . :-)
...lew...

On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 10:40:38 +1100, myal wrote:

BTW-II - Anyone recall the claims that the US had no bio-agents
and that all research was defensive? You don't need stockpiled
of weaponized grades/strains for that AFAIK.


You DO , for pre-emptive self defensive strikes ....as Iraq was IIRC..

They are still looking for those 15 minute rockets & those "WMDs" ...
right?
Oops ... we found the departments that they set up to tell lies ..
at least some of them.
--
Cliff

On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 10:35:21 +1100, myal wrote:

http://www.humaneventsonline.com/sarticle.php?id=10101

• Found: 1.77 metric tons of enriched uranium

( on a declared nuke site .... not mentioned in article tho )

Had been under UN control IIRC til the US kicked out
the UN .... leftover from Iraq's legal reactor program which
Israel had bombed .. illegally ....

Enriched how, exactly? If Uranium reactor fuel it's not
at all bomb material and to get Plutonium you'd first
have to create it in a nucler reactor .... quite the poser
when you have none such.
--
Cliff

On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 10:35:21 +1100, myal wrote:

• Found: Roadside bomb loaded with sarin gas

( THE WMD !!! )

OOPS !!
It was EMPTY.
--
Cliff

On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 10:35:21 +1100, myal wrote:

• Found: 17 chemical warheads--some containing cyclosarin, a nerve agent
five times more powerful than sarin

( condition and unusability not mentioned tho , wonder why ? and this is
compared to haw many tons of chemical weapons the US "found"in their own
backyard again ?? )

Most likely old BS & lies anyway.
Check the dates & sources on this stuff. Then
search for later reports as to what it really was.

In all cases that I've checked (quite a few) some brain-dead
winger was quoting some long-gone brain-dead winger's bogus
claims as foorp .... found the lying blog in the archives so it must
be true ...
--
Cliff

On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 10:35:21 +1100, myal wrote:

non properly declared remote control planes .....

That's very questionable as well.
Take out the control system & any payload & they might
have made it to the limit ... per the US.
--
Cliff

On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 23:56:35 GMT, Lew Hartswick
wrote:

Gunner wrote:

New Mexico?


Not to worry. Anyone can visit Trinity site two times a
year. Been there and I dont glow in the dark . :-)

The underground test Sites in the US have begun to leak ....
--
Cliff

Lew Hartswick wrote:
Gunner wrote:


He wound up joinng several of the British Military Vehicle Collectors
associations to get enough of the proper replacement parts to put it
to rights. It did come with the original tool kit though..so that
helped. Wentworth wrenchs and so forth were not all that common in

_________

Michigan.

Gunner

Gunner, Thats Whitworth My Berkley had a few. :-(
...lew...


They were alled wentworth here , because it was said of them "they went
thata way , werent worth nothing " after they were hurled over ones
shoulder ....

having 2 systems to deal with is bad enough , but three is too much

--
I am from the Government , I am here to help you .

On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 17:28:45 -0500, "digitalmaster"
wrote:

My mistake..not "enriched" just natural uranium (500 tons) and the
equipment to enrich it and a ballistic missle program.
and sarin gas and mustard gas.......
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=38213
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn3860
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/3872201.stm
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,120137,00.html
http://www.humaneventsonline.com/sarticle.php?id=10101
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2...5/114037.shtml

Snicker
All either long discredited or reading severe comprehension
issues on your part.

HTH
--
Cliff

Cliff wrote:
On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 10:35:21 +1100, myal wrote:


non properly declared remote control planes .....


That's very questionable as well.
Take out the control system & any payload & they might
have made it to the limit ... per the US.


What is ****ing me off about it is all the "can easliy be converted"s
and "possibley could be used as"s , hell , if you get down to it , steel
can be used to make weapons ... as can rocks , wood bricks glass ......

while these spin masters are in full flight , why do they restrict
themselves SO much ????

why only weave fantasy horror stories about bogey men things as leads to
more caches daily , possible uses of agriculture chemicals , and over
and again documented stuff they only just discovered ?

It is hard to know the truth when there is so much spin and lies .



--
I am from the Government , I am here to help you .

On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 11:37:42 +1100, myal wrote:

It is hard to know the truth when there is so much spin and lies .

All that the brain-dead wingers ever had to begin with was
spin & lies.
Not much has changed.
--
Cliff

On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 23:52:23 GMT, Lew Hartswick
wrote:

Gunner wrote:

He wound up joinng several of the British Military Vehicle Collectors
associations to get enough of the proper replacement parts to put it
to rights. It did come with the original tool kit though..so that
helped. Wentworth wrenchs and so forth were not all that common in
_________
Michigan.

Gunner

Gunner, Thats Whitworth My Berkley had a few. :-(
...lew...


My MGA used Wentworth

Regards
Daveb

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On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 19:20:58 GMT, Gunner
wrote:



Its often a way that the incompetent, weak, stupid or lame can avoid
facing their issues. Self Esteem is all important..no matter how
worthless they are.

Found those "WMDs" yet?
--
Cliff

I love it, No WMD in Iraq but long after salt 3 the yanks ""
Accidentally" found 300 tons of chemical munitions they "" forgot"" in
a bunker in washington.


yes some were...namely enriched uranium,mustard gas..and i think sarin
was.But all you hear from the media is "no wmd's were found" which is a
LIE.

"a lie repeated often enough becomes the truth."----George Orwell

Give the quantities of said WMD found too please ?

--
I am from the Government , I am here to help you .

My mistake..not "enriched" just natural uranium (500 tons) and the
equipment to enrich it and a ballistic missle program.
and sarin gas and mustard gas.......
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=38213

500 tons of uranium , at a declared nuclear site .... OK , that was a
break thru ... and the finding of uranium at nuclear sites is suprising I
must admit ....

AND the capability to restart a chemical weapons program ....

And some stuff that described as "if its not chemical weapons , what is
it? "thats incriminating ...

FWIW , have you had experience in dealing with ordinary ag chemicals in
their concerntrated forms ?


http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn3860

wow , imprssive ... are they also concerned about the tons of nials and
bolts that can be combined with conventional explosives and used to cause
havok , and the ag chemicals that the same can be said of , and the
explosives theyuse , Iheard they was simply recycling what as chucked at
them and doindg a return to sender thing with it ...

BUt anyway , yeah , blow th crap outa the xray machnes and rid the country
of health resources cos they canbe angerous ..

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/3872201.stm

**** , its been discovered Iraq had a declared nuclear program , THE
*******S , why didnt they tell anyone about this ??

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,120137,00.html

one solitary shell of each ... and the expected projections there will be
more ... wow ... WMD hey ? huge scale , clear and present danger ... and
both shells were used as IEDs and did the Mass Destruction f ... how much
again ??

http://www.humaneventsonline.com/sarticle.php?id=10101

• Found: 1.77 metric tons of enriched uranium

( on a declared nuke site .... not mentioned in article tho )


• Found: 1,500 gallons of chemical weapons

( still not proven not to be the pesticides they are labeled as , tho
pesticides DO make good chemical weapons )


• Found: Roadside bomb loaded with sarin gas

( THE WMD !!! )


• Found: 1,000 radioactive materials--ideal for radioactive dirty bombs

( noted that there isnno mention of these sources being hospital gear and
industrial gear thats normal in the US and equaly radioactive ... bloody
crime leting themhave medical stuff ..)


• Found: 17 chemical warheads--some containing cyclosarin, a nerve agent
five times more powerful than sarin

( condition and unusability not mentioned tho , wonder why ? and this is
compared to haw many tons of chemical weapons the US "found"in their own
backyard again ?? )



http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2...5/114037.shtml

wow , a possible ten shells , or maybe even as many as 12 shells filled
with ( out of date ) chemical weapons ... compared to this being the
justification for launchna wa r , and the US having sucsessfull
demonstrated how easy it is to lose hundreds of tons of shemical weapons
themselvs ....

its damming , obviously the war was justified .

the proof is in the pudding as it were , Bush got re-elected .

OK sarcasm aside , you got a handfull of shells , nuke stuff at a nuke
site , and non properly declared remote control planes .....

the nukes was declared and youre beating the propaganda drumby carying on
about it , the intel and leads , I give as much credence as the intel and
leads that launched the war ...

youre left with 1 sarin shell confirmed , 1 possible mustard gas shell ,
both used in IEDs ...

there is 14 shells that have been reported as being capable of being used
as chemical weapons delivery systems and as in the report you quote , are
actualy full of unidentified chemical .

16 shells in total ....

and allready declared nuclear stuff and radio control planes with no
propper fille dout paper work ....

On US home ground , IIRC it was 300 tons of chemical weapons they lost and
just found again ...

is the same leeway to be allowed no one else BUT the US in this regard ??

300 tons of chemical weapons , vs a possible 14 , maybe 16 shells in Iraq
.....

seems kinda skewed to me ..


--
I am from the Government , I am here to help you .

it would sound skewed to you since you are of the same mind as people that
said Hitler was europes problem.The simple fact is Saddam was a danger to us
and should have been eliminated in the first gulf conflict making the second
unnecessary...

As my mother told me when I was a boy..

ME:why did daddy have to go fight and uncle david die over there fighting
those people???
MOM:so we would not have to fight them here son.


that says it all....end of story

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On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 19:20:58 GMT, Gunner
wrote:




Its often a way that the incompetent, weak, stupid or lame can avoid
facing their issues. Self Esteem is all important..no matter how
worthless they are.

Found those "WMDs" yet?
--
Cliff

I love it, No WMD in Iraq but long after salt 3 the yanks ""
Accidentally" found 300 tons of chemical munitions they "" forgot"" in
a bunker in washington.


yes some were...namely enriched uranium,mustard gas..and i think sarin
was.But all you hear from the media is "no wmd's were found" which is a
LIE.

"a lie repeated often enough becomes the truth."----George Orwell

Give the quantities of said WMD found too please ?

--
I am from the Government , I am here to help you .

My mistake..not "enriched" just natural uranium (500 tons) and the
equipment to enrich it and a ballistic missle program.
and sarin gas and mustard gas.......
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=38213

500 tons of uranium , at a declared nuclear site .... OK , that was a
break thru ... and the finding of uranium at nuclear sites is suprising I
must admit ....

AND the capability to restart a chemical weapons program ....

And some stuff that described as "if its not chemical weapons , what is
it? "thats incriminating ...

FWIW , have you had experience in dealing with ordinary ag chemicals in
their concerntrated forms ?



http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn3860

wow , imprssive ... are they also concerned about the tons of nials and
bolts that can be combined with conventional explosives and used to cause
havok , and the ag chemicals that the same can be said of , and the
explosives theyuse , Iheard they was simply recycling what as chucked at
them and doindg a return to sender thing with it ...

BUt anyway , yeah , blow th crap outa the xray machnes and rid the country
of health resources cos they canbe angerous ..


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/3872201.stm

**** , its been discovered Iraq had a declared nuclear program , THE
*******S , why didnt they tell anyone about this ??


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,120137,00.html

one solitary shell of each ... and the expected projections there will be
more ... wow ... WMD hey ? huge scale , clear and present danger ... and
both shells were used as IEDs and did the Mass Destruction f ... how much
again ??


http://www.humaneventsonline.com/sarticle.php?id=10101

• Found: 1.77 metric tons of enriched uranium

( on a declared nuke site .... not mentioned in article tho )


• Found: 1,500 gallons of chemical weapons

( still not proven not to be the pesticides they are labeled as , tho
pesticides DO make good chemical weapons )


• Found: Roadside bomb loaded with sarin gas

( THE WMD !!! )


• Found: 1,000 radioactive materials--ideal for radioactive dirty bombs

( noted that there isnno mention of these sources being hospital gear and
industrial gear thats normal in the US and equaly radioactive ... bloody
crime leting themhave medical stuff ..)


• Found: 17 chemical warheads--some containing cyclosarin, a nerve agent
five times more powerful than sarin

( condition and unusability not mentioned tho , wonder why ? and this is
compared to haw many tons of chemical weapons the US "found"in their own
backyard again ?? )




http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2...5/114037.shtml

wow , a possible ten shells , or maybe even as many as 12 shells filled
with ( out of date ) chemical weapons ... compared to this being the
justification for launchna wa r , and the US having sucsessfull
demonstrated how easy it is to lose hundreds of tons of shemical weapons
themselvs ....

its damming , obviously the war was justified .

the proof is in the pudding as it were , Bush got re-elected .

OK sarcasm aside , you got a handfull of shells , nuke stuff at a nuke
site , and non properly declared remote control planes .....

the nukes was declared and youre beating the propaganda drumby carying on
about it , the intel and leads , I give as much credence as the intel and
leads that launched the war ...

youre left with 1 sarin shell confirmed , 1 possible mustard gas shell ,
both used in IEDs ...

there is 14 shells that have been reported as being capable of being used
as chemical weapons delivery systems and as in the report you quote , are
actualy full of unidentified chemical .

16 shells in total ....

and allready declared nuclear stuff and radio control planes with no
propper fille dout paper work ....

On US home ground , IIRC it was 300 tons of chemical weapons they lost and
just found again ...

is the same leeway to be allowed no one else BUT the US in this regard ??

300 tons of chemical weapons , vs a possible 14 , maybe 16 shells in Iraq
.....

seems kinda skewed to me ..


--
I am from the Government , I am here to help you .


it would sound skewed to you since you are of the same mind as people that
said Hitler was europes problem.

Actualy , you ARSE-ume too much there , far too much , but carry on anyway


The simple fact is Saddam was a danger to us
and should have been eliminated in the first gulf conflict making the second
unnecessary...

This justifies whats going on ? WHAT exactly justifies whats goin go n now ?

sadam was a bad man .. so is Mugabe , so is Putin , so is Bush .. wow .


As my mother told me when I was a boy..

ME:why did daddy have to go fight and uncle david die over there fighting
those people???
MOM:so we would not have to fight them here son.


Ok , so youre terrified that the thrid world folk wyoure turning into
collateral damage may somehow miraculously come over to where you are
and ... be poor folk there ?



that says it all....end of story

repeat the lie often enough ...

and the sad thing is , you dont even know wich lie youre believing ...





--
I am from the Government , I am here to help you .

Cliff wrote:

On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 23:56:35 GMT, Lew Hartswick
wrote:


Gunner wrote:

New Mexico?


Not to worry. Anyone can visit Trinity site two times a
year. Been there and I dont glow in the dark . :-)


The underground test Sites in the US have begun to leak ....


What does that have to do with the original Quote???
It was and I quote " New Mexico "
You blody jerk!
...lew...

On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 11:37:42 +1100, myal wrote:

Cliff wrote:
On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 10:35:21 +1100, myal wrote:


non properly declared remote control planes .....


That's very questionable as well.
Take out the control system & any payload & they might
have made it to the limit ... per the US.


What is ****ing me off about it is all the "can easliy be converted"s
and "possibley could be used as"s , hell , if you get down to it , steel
can be used to make weapons ... as can rocks , wood bricks glass ......

while these spin masters are in full flight , why do they restrict
themselves SO much ????

why only weave fantasy horror stories about bogey men things as leads to
more caches daily , possible uses of agriculture chemicals , and over
and again documented stuff they only just discovered ?

It is hard to know the truth when there is so much spin and lies .


You betch eh? Nobody would ever think of flying airliners into tall
buildings either. Just so much paranoia

Gunner



"A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them;
the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences."
- Proverbs 22:3

Gunner wrote:
On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 11:37:42 +1100, myal wrote:


Cliff wrote:

On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 10:35:21 +1100, myal wrote:



non properly declared remote control planes .....


That's very questionable as well.
Take out the control system & any payload & they might
have made it to the limit ... per the US.


What is ****ing me off about it is all the "can easliy be converted"s
and "possibley could be used as"s , hell , if you get down to it , steel
can be used to make weapons ... as can rocks , wood bricks glass ......

while these spin masters are in full flight , why do they restrict
themselves SO much ????

why only weave fantasy horror stories about bogey men things as leads to
more caches daily , possible uses of agriculture chemicals , and over
and again documented stuff they only just discovered ?

It is hard to know the truth when there is so much spin and lies .



You betch eh? Nobody would ever think of flying airliners into tall
buildings either. Just so much paranoia

Gunner


How many Iraqies were on them planes again ?



"A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them;
the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences."
- Proverbs 22:3


--
I am from the Government , I am here to help you .

On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:08:00 -0500, "digitalmaster"
wrote:

The simple fact is Saddam was a danger to us

He was going to walk across the Atlantic & punch the shrubbie in the nose?

and should have been eliminated in the first gulf conflict making the second
unnecessary...

Papa bush knew better.
Not even he would support the shrubbie's idiocy.

Hey, remember Vietnam? Did they ever catch the lying
wingers that fueled that one?
--
Cliff

On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 13:41:51 +1100, myal wrote:

that says it all....end of story

repeat the lie often enough ...

Wingers are faith-based. They start with their desired
conclusion (usually involves murdering others or grand
theft) and lie their way backwards to justify being crazy.
Much like fundies of the lower sorts ....
--
Cliff

On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 03:23:20 GMT, Lew Hartswick
wrote:

Cliff wrote:

On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 23:56:35 GMT, Lew Hartswick
wrote:


Gunner wrote:

New Mexico?


Not to worry. Anyone can visit Trinity site two times a
year. Been there and I dont glow in the dark . :-)


The underground test Sites in the US have begun to leak ....


What does that have to do with the original Quote???
It was and I quote " New Mexico "
You blody jerk!
...lew...

The underground test Sites in the US have begun to leak .... radiation into
the atmosphere.

On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 03:46:09 GMT, Gunner wrote:

You betch eh? Nobody would ever think of flying airliners into tall
buildings either. Just so much paranoia

Was Saddam on one of them?

Q: How did the FBI have the IDs of the "hijackers" the
next day? DNA & Passports found in the WTC rubble?

Q: Why had a CIA station in Saudi Arabia issued most of their visas?

Q: Why did the bin Ladens & associates get rush priority air transport
out of the US unquestioned instead being off to Cuba for torture?

Q: Did they get a good view of events from the Carlyle Group
offices?

Q: Why were the neocons ignoring exactly such warnings from
the Clinton administration & the national intellegence folks?

Q: How come CIA & US Military Anthrax was at once sent to Democrats?
Was it mailed the same day? The day BEFORE?
--
Cliff

On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 15:10:25 +1100, myal wrote:

Gunner wrote:
On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 11:37:42 +1100, myal wrote:


Cliff wrote:

On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 10:35:21 +1100, myal wrote:



non properly declared remote control planes .....


That's very questionable as well.
Take out the control system & any payload & they might
have made it to the limit ... per the US.


What is ****ing me off about it is all the "can easliy be converted"s
and "possibley could be used as"s , hell , if you get down to it , steel
can be used to make weapons ... as can rocks , wood bricks glass ......

while these spin masters are in full flight , why do they restrict
themselves SO much ????

why only weave fantasy horror stories about bogey men things as leads to
more caches daily , possible uses of agriculture chemicals , and over
and again documented stuff they only just discovered ?

It is hard to know the truth when there is so much spin and lies .



You betch eh? Nobody would ever think of flying airliners into tall
buildings either. Just so much paranoia

Gunner


How many Iraqies were on them planes again ?

What planes? It was all a hoax. No one would ever do that, least of
all in the name of some obscure religion. Same with all those Aussie
tourists that got blown up..allegedly. Never happened. They are alive
and being kept in a secret concentration camp by Mr. Howard.

Gunner




"A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them;
the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences."
- Proverbs 22:3



"A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them;
the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences."
- Proverbs 22:3

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On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 19:20:58 GMT, Gunner
wrote:




Its often a way that the incompetent, weak, stupid or lame can
avoid
facing their issues. Self Esteem is all important..no matter how
worthless they are.

Found those "WMDs" yet?
--
Cliff

I love it, No WMD in Iraq but long after salt 3 the yanks ""
Accidentally" found 300 tons of chemical munitions they "" forgot""
in a bunker in washington.


yes some were...namely enriched uranium,mustard gas..and i think sarin
was.But all you hear from the media is "no wmd's were found" which is
a LIE.

"a lie repeated often enough becomes the truth."----George Orwell

Give the quantities of said WMD found too please ?

--
I am from the Government , I am here to help you .

My mistake..not "enriched" just natural uranium (500 tons) and the
equipment to enrich it and a ballistic missle program.
and sarin gas and mustard gas.......
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=38213

500 tons of uranium , at a declared nuclear site .... OK , that was a
break thru ... and the finding of uranium at nuclear sites is suprising I
must admit ....

AND the capability to restart a chemical weapons program ....

And some stuff that described as "if its not chemical weapons , what is
it? "thats incriminating ...

FWIW , have you had experience in dealing with ordinary ag chemicals in
their concerntrated forms ?



http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn3860

wow , imprssive ... are they also concerned about the tons of nials and
bolts that can be combined with conventional explosives and used to cause
havok , and the ag chemicals that the same can be said of , and the
explosives theyuse , Iheard they was simply recycling what as chucked at
them and doindg a return to sender thing with it ...

BUt anyway , yeah , blow th crap outa the xray machnes and rid the
country of health resources cos they canbe angerous ..


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/3872201.stm

**** , its been discovered Iraq had a declared nuclear program , THE
*******S , why didnt they tell anyone about this ??


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,120137,00.html

one solitary shell of each ... and the expected projections there will be
more ... wow ... WMD hey ? huge scale , clear and present danger ... and
both shells were used as IEDs and did the Mass Destruction f ... how much
again ??


http://www.humaneventsonline.com/sarticle.php?id=10101

• Found: 1.77 metric tons of enriched uranium

( on a declared nuke site .... not mentioned in article tho )


• Found: 1,500 gallons of chemical weapons

( still not proven not to be the pesticides they are labeled as , tho
pesticides DO make good chemical weapons )


• Found: Roadside bomb loaded with sarin gas

( THE WMD !!! )


• Found: 1,000 radioactive materials--ideal for radioactive dirty bombs

( noted that there isnno mention of these sources being hospital gear and
industrial gear thats normal in the US and equaly radioactive ... bloody
crime leting themhave medical stuff ..)


• Found: 17 chemical warheads--some containing cyclosarin, a nerve agent
five times more powerful than sarin

( condition and unusability not mentioned tho , wonder why ? and this is
compared to haw many tons of chemical weapons the US "found"in their own
backyard again ?? )




http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2...5/114037.shtml

wow , a possible ten shells , or maybe even as many as 12 shells filled
with ( out of date ) chemical weapons ... compared to this being the
justification for launchna wa r , and the US having sucsessfull
demonstrated how easy it is to lose hundreds of tons of shemical weapons
themselvs ....

its damming , obviously the war was justified .

the proof is in the pudding as it were , Bush got re-elected .

OK sarcasm aside , you got a handfull of shells , nuke stuff at a nuke
site , and non properly declared remote control planes .....

the nukes was declared and youre beating the propaganda drumby carying on
about it , the intel and leads , I give as much credence as the intel and
leads that launched the war ...

youre left with 1 sarin shell confirmed , 1 possible mustard gas shell ,
both used in IEDs ...

there is 14 shells that have been reported as being capable of being used
as chemical weapons delivery systems and as in the report you quote , are
actualy full of unidentified chemical .

16 shells in total ....

and allready declared nuclear stuff and radio control planes with no
propper fille dout paper work ....

On US home ground , IIRC it was 300 tons of chemical weapons they lost
and just found again ...

is the same leeway to be allowed no one else BUT the US in this regard ??

300 tons of chemical weapons , vs a possible 14 , maybe 16 shells in Iraq
.....

seems kinda skewed to me ..


--
I am from the Government , I am here to help you .


it would sound skewed to you since you are of the same mind as people
that said Hitler was europes problem.

Actualy , you ARSE-ume too much there , far too much , but carry on anyway


The simple fact is Saddam was a danger to us
and should have been eliminated in the first gulf conflict making the
second unnecessary...

This justifies whats going on ? WHAT exactly justifies whats goin go n now
?

sadam was a bad man .. so is Mugabe , so is Putin , so is Bush .. wow .


As my mother told me when I was a boy..

ME:why did daddy have to go fight and uncle david die over there fighting
those people???
MOM:so we would not have to fight them here son.


Ok , so youre terrified that the thrid world folk wyoure turning into
collateral damage may somehow miraculously come over to where you are and
... be poor folk there ?



that says it all....end of story

repeat the lie often enough ...

and the sad thing is , you dont even know wich lie youre believing ...





--
I am from the Government , I am here to help you .

there is no miracle about it....they already did come here...to the trade
centers....and every terrorist and supporter is as guilty as the ones in the
plane.and by your support of them so are you.

"Cliff" wrote in message
news
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:08:00 -0500, "digitalmaster"
wrote:

The simple fact is Saddam was a danger to us

He was going to walk across the Atlantic & punch the shrubbie in the
nose?

and should have been eliminated in the first gulf conflict making the
second
unnecessary...

Papa bush knew better.
Not even he would support the shrubbie's idiocy.

Hey, remember Vietnam? Did they ever catch the lying
wingers that fueled that one?
--
Cliff

The ones who needed catching and held accountable are the fools who would
not give the troops enough support and commitment to win.

"Cliff" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 13:41:51 +1100, myal wrote:

that says it all....end of story

repeat the lie often enough ...

Wingers are faith-based. They start with their desired
conclusion (usually involves murdering others or grand
theft) and lie their way backwards to justify being crazy.
Much like fundies of the lower sorts ....
--
Cliff
talk about starting with desired conclusion...i bet you are the same person
who supported and applauded when clinton sent our troops in harms way in
bosnia.but thats ok cause uncle bill was in charge then.

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On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 19:20:58 GMT, Gunner
wrote:





Its often a way that the incompetent, weak, stupid or lame can
avoid
facing their issues. Self Esteem is all important..no matter how
worthless they are.

Found those "WMDs" yet?
--
Cliff

I love it, No WMD in Iraq but long after salt 3 the yanks ""
Accidentally" found 300 tons of chemical munitions they "" forgot""
in a bunker in washington.


yes some were...namely enriched uranium,mustard gas..and i think sarin
was.But all you hear from the media is "no wmd's were found" which is
a LIE.

"a lie repeated often enough becomes the truth."----George Orwell

Give the quantities of said WMD found too please ?

--
I am from the Government , I am here to help you .

My mistake..not "enriched" just natural uranium (500 tons) and the
equipment to enrich it and a ballistic missle program.
and sarin gas and mustard gas.......
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=38213

500 tons of uranium , at a declared nuclear site .... OK , that was a
break thru ... and the finding of uranium at nuclear sites is suprising I
must admit ....

AND the capability to restart a chemical weapons program ....

And some stuff that described as "if its not chemical weapons , what is
it? "thats incriminating ...

FWIW , have you had experience in dealing with ordinary ag chemicals in
their concerntrated forms ?




http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn3860

wow , imprssive ... are they also concerned about the tons of nials and
bolts that can be combined with conventional explosives and used to cause
havok , and the ag chemicals that the same can be said of , and the
explosives theyuse , Iheard they was simply recycling what as chucked at
them and doindg a return to sender thing with it ...

BUt anyway , yeah , blow th crap outa the xray machnes and rid the
country of health resources cos they canbe angerous ..



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/3872201.stm

**** , its been discovered Iraq had a declared nuclear program , THE
*******S , why didnt they tell anyone about this ??



http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,120137,00.html

one solitary shell of each ... and the expected projections there will be
more ... wow ... WMD hey ? huge scale , clear and present danger ... and
both shells were used as IEDs and did the Mass Destruction f ... how much
again ??



http://www.humaneventsonline.com/sarticle.php?id=10101

• Found: 1.77 metric tons of enriched uranium

( on a declared nuke site .... not mentioned in article tho )


• Found: 1,500 gallons of chemical weapons

( still not proven not to be the pesticides they are labeled as , tho
pesticides DO make good chemical weapons )


• Found: Roadside bomb loaded with sarin gas

( THE WMD !!! )


• Found: 1,000 radioactive materials--ideal for radioactive dirty bombs

( noted that there isnno mention of these sources being hospital gear and
industrial gear thats normal in the US and equaly radioactive ... bloody
crime leting themhave medical stuff ..)


• Found: 17 chemical warheads--some containing cyclosarin, a nerve agent
five times more powerful than sarin

( condition and unusability not mentioned tho , wonder why ? and this is
compared to haw many tons of chemical weapons the US "found"in their own
backyard again ?? )





http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2...5/114037.shtml

wow , a possible ten shells , or maybe even as many as 12 shells filled
with ( out of date ) chemical weapons ... compared to this being the
justification for launchna wa r , and the US having sucsessfull
demonstrated how easy it is to lose hundreds of tons of shemical weapons
themselvs ....

its damming , obviously the war was justified .

the proof is in the pudding as it were , Bush got re-elected .

OK sarcasm aside , you got a handfull of shells , nuke stuff at a nuke
site , and non properly declared remote control planes .....

the nukes was declared and youre beating the propaganda drumby carying on
about it , the intel and leads , I give as much credence as the intel and
leads that launched the war ...

youre left with 1 sarin shell confirmed , 1 possible mustard gas shell ,
both used in IEDs ...

there is 14 shells that have been reported as being capable of being used
as chemical weapons delivery systems and as in the report you quote , are
actualy full of unidentified chemical .

16 shells in total ....

and allready declared nuclear stuff and radio control planes with no
propper fille dout paper work ....

On US home ground , IIRC it was 300 tons of chemical weapons they lost
and just found again ...

is the same leeway to be allowed no one else BUT the US in this regard ??

300 tons of chemical weapons , vs a possible 14 , maybe 16 shells in Iraq
.....

seems kinda skewed to me ..


--
I am from the Government , I am here to help you .


it would sound skewed to you since you are of the same mind as people
that said Hitler was europes problem.

Actualy , you ARSE-ume too much there , far too much , but carry on anyway


The simple fact is Saddam was a danger to us

and should have been eliminated in the first gulf conflict making the
second unnecessary...

This justifies whats going on ? WHAT exactly justifies whats goin go n now
?

sadam was a bad man .. so is Mugabe , so is Putin , so is Bush .. wow .


As my mother told me when I was a boy..

ME:why did daddy have to go fight and uncle david die over there fighting
those people???
MOM:so we would not have to fight them here son.


Ok , so youre terrified that the thrid world folk wyoure turning into
collateral damage may somehow miraculously come over to where you are and
... be poor folk there ?



that says it all....end of story

repeat the lie often enough ...

and the sad thing is , you dont even know wich lie youre believing ...




--
I am from the Government , I am here to help you .


there is no miracle about it....they already did come here...to the trade
centers....and every terrorist and supporter is as guilty as the ones in the
plane.and by your support of them so are you.



How many Iraqies were in the planes again ???



--
I am from the Government , I am here to help you .

Gunner wrote:
On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 15:10:25 +1100, myal wrote:


Gunner wrote:

On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 11:37:42 +1100, myal wrote:



Cliff wrote:


On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 10:35:21 +1100, myal wrote:




non properly declared remote control planes .....


That's very questionable as well.
Take out the control system & any payload & they might
have made it to the limit ... per the US.


What is ****ing me off about it is all the "can easliy be converted"s
and "possibley could be used as"s , hell , if you get down to it , steel
can be used to make weapons ... as can rocks , wood bricks glass ......

while these spin masters are in full flight , why do they restrict
themselves SO much ????

why only weave fantasy horror stories about bogey men things as leads to
more caches daily , possible uses of agriculture chemicals , and over
and again documented stuff they only just discovered ?

It is hard to know the truth when there is so much spin and lies .



You betch eh? Nobody would ever think of flying airliners into tall
buildings either. Just so much paranoia

Gunner


How many Iraqies were on them planes again ?


What planes? It was all a hoax. No one would ever do that, least of
all in the name of some obscure religion. Same with all those Aussie
tourists that got blown up..allegedly.

there was actualy far more of your mob , and brits blowed up IIRC ... au
govt was desperate to be the victim of some kind of terror attack or
other tho ...

Youre lack of ability to provide a number of Iraqies in the planes ,
when considered along with the bushs inability to defend himself against
the accusation that every public reason he gave for launching the war
has been proved a lie , and his following rant about no president wants
a war ( that kinda conflicts with his earlier brag about going to be
known as the war president ) and desencion into fantasy seem to indicate
youre at least on the same level and dealing with the same reality of
your prez ....

Its patriotic anyway ....


Never happened. They are alive
and being kept in a secret concentration camp by Mr. Howard.

No no , thats the immigrants ... and people Johny wants to teach a
lesson to before he "deports" them to some country they never been in
before in their lives ... you realy should keep up with things ya know .


Seriously tho , the original comission into the towers found that sadam
had rejected helping binladen , and there was imediate speculation (
probably anti bush since if youre not for him , youre against him ) in
the media that this finding would be revisited and reversed to make the
war acceptable...

Guess what happened ?


Gunner



"A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them;
the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences."
- Proverbs 22:3




"A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them;
the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences."
- Proverbs 22:3


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Cliff wrote:
On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 03:46:09 GMT, Gunner wrote:


You betch eh? Nobody would ever think of flying airliners into tall
buildings either. Just so much paranoia


Was Saddam on one of them?

Q: How did the FBI have the IDs of the "hijackers" the
next day? DNA & Passports found in the WTC rubble?

Q: Why had a CIA station in Saudi Arabia issued most of their visas?

Q: Why did the bin Ladens & associates get rush priority air transport
out of the US unquestioned instead being off to Cuba for torture?


Gunatanamo wasnt bult yet ?

besides , its only poor peasents in there , rich folk are general immune
to justice


Q: Did they get a good view of events from the Carlyle Group
offices?

Q: Why were the neocons ignoring exactly such warnings from
the Clinton administration & the national intellegence folks?

Q: How come CIA & US Military Anthrax was at once sent to Democrats?
Was it mailed the same day? The day BEFORE?


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Cliff wrote:
On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 13:41:51 +1100, myal wrote:


that says it all....end of story

repeat the lie often enough ...


Wingers are faith-based. They start with their desired
conclusion (usually involves murdering others or grand
theft) and lie their way backwards to justify being crazy.
Much like fundies of the lower sorts ....


Winger neocon etc mean nothing to me nor does moderate or conservative
etc , thats different shades of excreta ....

right and wrong is enough for me .

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