5 bucks says I'm right. You up for the bet?

Mike Eberlein

Ed Huntress wrote:

"mikee" wrote in message
...
I hope Kerry gets the Democratic nomination. It will almost guarantee
Bush's
reelection.

Mike Eberlein

Mike, get your head out of the clouds. You must have seen that CNN/Gallup
poll that has Kerry ahead of Bush right now.

That doesn't tell us anything about what will happen in November. But it
should tell you that nothing is even close to "guaranteeing" Bush's
reelection. As it was in 2000, the basic split among the voters is pretty
close to 50-50.

It's really up for grabs. My interpretation of the polls and current events
is that the election will turn on how events actually roll out between now
and election time. If it's no better for Bush than it is right now, likely
he's toast.

However, it probably won't get a lot worse for him than it is now. My guess
is that the lack of WMD will blow over, that the spin machine at the White
House will hammer hard on the idea that it was all irrelevant, anyway, until
everybody forgets why we supposedly went to war in the first place.

And there has to be some pickup in employment by November. Last month's
productivity figures were low (2.4%). There's a good chance that means that
employers have squeezed all they can out of their employees. If we have even
modest growth in GDP, employment *ought* to start tracking the general
economic growth by then.

If so, that could be Bush's salvation. That's assuming no more surprises
crop up, of course.

Ed Huntress

tonyp wrote:
"Chris Johnson" wrote


I wouldn't trust anyone running to walk my dog.



Okay, but just remember that Mr. President George W. Bush, Commander in Chief of
the Armed Forces, Leader of the Free World, and Defender of the Faith-based
initiative, _is_ one of those who are running.

-- Tony P.




I voted for him last time. Given the choices available, I'd vote for
him again. But even he is falling short of the high expectations that
I had for him in the first half of his Presidency. Falling FAR short,
actually.

The best choice available to us is seriously flawed. What does that
say about the kinds of people who get into politics these days?

I swear, the way things are going, I'll be running for office myself
in the next few years, on the premise that you could do much worse
than to vote for me, and probably already have.

CJ

Excitable Boy wrote:


Hey TN ! This guy's wackier than me ! Well, maybe, anyway.
He has a "little" AS/400 in his sailboat ! That's about as
good as the myth about designing the Octane to fit thru a
submarine hatch ... AND guess what that means ? Heh heh heh
OS/2 Rules, Windos Drools !! :-)

Gotta make a living some way. It is just my way of exporting jobs to
the Caribbean. :-) It runs OS/400. Big difference.

--
Glenn Ashmore

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"William" wrote in message
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"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
. net...
"Gary H. Lucas" wrote in message
...

There are some correlations between polls and results on the Web.
But
you
have to decide first what you're looking for. If the question is how
accurately do polls taken a month before an election predict the
election
results, the answer is, very poorly...because the poll studied
opinions
a
month before the election, not the morning of election day.

Polls are snapshots that reflect opinions at one instant in time.
That's
all.

Ed Huntress

I'd ban ALL political polling until the elections are over. Let
everyone
vote their own mind without being swayed by what some poll says others
are
doing.

Gary H. Lucas



Why are you worried about people being swayed by polls? If they can be
swayed by a poll, what else can they be swayed by?

I think the stink over polls is 'way off base. I don't know anyone who
votes
on the basis of polls. But I do know people who vote for stupid reasons.

Ed Huntress

It's not that they may vote based on the polls, it's that they may NOT
vote
at all, becuse of them, especially with exit polling.

William.....



That's part of my thinking. The other part is that big money is spent on
polls by the political campaigns, who then release their findings. I figure
that wouldn't do that unless they were damn sure they get the results they
want.

Gary H. Lucas

I'd love your scenario, as it means my children would have a chance to be alive
for a another generation (twenty years?). This is about survival, fella, nothing
else. I'll take GW, thank you.

Mike Eberlein

Dale Scroggins wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote:

"mikee" wrote in message
...

I hope Kerry gets the Democratic nomination. It will almost guarantee

Bush's

reelection.

Mike Eberlein


Mike, get your head out of the clouds. You must have seen that CNN/Gallup
poll that has Kerry ahead of Bush right now.
snip
And there has to be some pickup in employment by November. Last month's
productivity figures were low (2.4%). There's a good chance that means that
employers have squeezed all they can out of their employees. If we have even
modest growth in GDP, employment *ought* to start tracking the general
economic growth by then.

If so, that could be Bush's salvation. That's assuming no more surprises
crop up, of course.

Ed Huntress

Both the Republicans and Democrats should be careful what they wish for
this election cycle. While the economy will most likely improve enough
this summer to help Bush's reelection chances, we could witness some
truly interesting times within the next decade.

How 'bout this for a possibility: Bush is reelected by a narrow margin,
has a truly disastrous second term on many fronts, resulting in the
near-destruction of the Republican party for a generation.

I suspect that, fifty years hence, the administrations of Reagan, Bush
I, and Clinton will be nearly forgotten. But this administration, if
extended by four years, will be viewed as marking a political watershed.

Dale Scroggins

"Bray Haven" ... is that something like a farm where they let donkeys
hee-haw to their hearts' content without interference ?
Glad you asked, Boy,
Yep, and we have the best ass in America ). Home of past National Champ.
General Pershing.
http://members.aol.com/brayhaven/bj.htm

Greg Sefton

I'd ban ALL political polling until the elections are over. Let everyone
vote their own mind without being swayed by what some poll says others are
doing.

Gary H. Lucas

Oh NO!! How would the politicians know what to say )?
Greg Sefton

That's at their best. At their worst, they are poorly
worded and heavily slanted toward the obtaining the
precise results the pollster wants. Far too often they
are the latter.

Absolutely, when I was working on my dergee in Communications at FSU, the
Communications dept did 2 polls wityh different (slanted) wording on the same
subject. You guessed it, the results were 180 degrees out. ) So when you
see a poll, look at the source and factor in the slant and make up your own
mind. A few days ago, a poll said Kerry was ahead of Bush. Today there's one
the other way. We just get to sit back & watch the fight & hopefully not get
too emotional about it. As if we could really change anything anyway except to
go out & vote.
Greg Sefton

If so, that could be Bush's salvation. That's assuming no more surprises
crop up, of course.

Ed Huntress

Totally agree, and the media will do everything they can to create "surprises"
even if there are none. )
Greg Sefton

Good point. So if you think it was wrong for
Bill, then you think it's equally wrong for
W to have been a draft dodger, yes?
I guess that would give him a spot in the
Jane Fonda Hall of Fame.

Jim

Bill never showed up at all, except to trash his country in Russia. In that
regard he should be in jane's club. If he had applied for a govt job instead
of being elected, he could not even have gotten a low level confidential
clearance. (mail room??) He (& jane) should be tried for treason along with
perjury.
Greg Sefton

You know, if we are going to compare this one to that one; Which cost
the US tax payer more,

Or holding up an airport to get a haircut ). Greg S.

The House of Representatives actually, but the last time I
checked, they controlled by, hmm, let's see, which party....

Maybe, the Druids?

Jim

The prez signs it but the reps put it together and the Dems are the all time
champion pork eaters. There are some good reasons we are in deficit now, but
the dems will blame the Prez as it's election year and they are desperate.
They would have no chance trying to run on genuine issues and truthful
platforms so this will, as one poster put it, be a very nasty campaign. I
think the anger & negative stuff will likely backfire & they know it but it's
the only shot they have.).
Greg Sefton

Bray Haven wrote:

The prez signs it but the reps put it together and the Dems are the all time
champion pork eaters. There are some good reasons we are in deficit now, but
the dems will blame the Prez as it's election year and they are desperate.
They would have no chance trying to run on genuine issues and truthful
platforms so this will, as one poster put it, be a very nasty campaign. I
think the anger & negative stuff will likely backfire & they know it but it's
the only shot they have.).
Greg Sefton

This last time the Republicans were the big pigs at the trough by a long
shot. The Dems got pretty well shut out but still the pork set a record.

--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com

In article , Bray Haven says...

... I
think the anger & negative stuff will likely backfire & they know it but it's
the only shot they have.).

Nope, this worked great for the republicans many years running.
Remember willie horton?

Jim

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He [clinton] (& jane) should be tried for treason along with
perjury.

Fair enough, then ya gotta do W for draft dodging too.

Jim

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The media keeps harping on the "number of casualities after Bush declared
hostilities over." Fu*king idiots. We have lost 500+ US G.I.'s since the war
began. How many people get slaughtered on U.S. highways each day? Around 130,
worth about 4 days of this war.

I had the priviledge to be going thru the Atlanta airport several weeks ago when a
lot of the 101st Airborne were coming home fom Iraq. I yelled "Hey, Army. Wore
that uniform 30+ years ago, it's changed color. Glad the haircuts are the same.
God bless you guys." To my suprise and delight, they all saluted me.

Mike Eberlein (U.S. Army, 1970-72)

Bray Haven wrote:

I believe calling the situation in Iraq "sucessful" would be a bit of a
stretch. The initial assult was impressively successful but it was done
with a military left to Bush by Clinton administration.

One thing I will say for lawyers. They lie a whole lot better than the
Dubya does.

Yer Right Glen, he doesn't lie at all. So he wouldn't do it well would he
). And all the worlds military experts agree that the iraq campaign will be
studied in war colleges for decades to come for it's brilliant precision, speed
& total success at overrunning a well entrenched military force. Whether you
and the (other) bleeding heart libs agree or not, it's a fact.
Greg Sefton

On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 14:55:48 GMT, Jim Wilson
wrote:

Ed Huntress wrote...

I see that the latest CNN/Gallup Poll has Kerry ahead of Bush by 53% to 46%.

Hey, I've got a question. Does anybody know of a quantitative study on
how accurately the polls predict election day results? Something like,
before election day 2000, the polls said X, and on election day, the
voters said Y. I've never seen something like this.

Jim

Im sure there are dozen of such, all with different answers.

Any polls at this time, is simply a waste of resources. All the
poltical speech making etc has simply shown the "best side" of each
current candidate and given them face time.

Notice Bush has not bothered much to respond to the various charges,
claims etc. Why should he at this moment? His opponent is not fixed
yet..its very hard to respond and hit a moving changing target..so
once the weeding out process is completed, they will have a specific
individual they can respond to.

This sort of poll result is very typical in every election cycle. I
can remember this happening quite vividly for Clintons second election
as well. He was up, down, ahead, behind bla bla bla..and still won his
second term.

So Im taking the wait and see approach.

Gunner

"To be civilized is to restrain the ability to commit mayhem.
To be incapable of committing mayhem is not the mark of the civilized,
merely the domesticated." - Trefor Thomas

In article , Bray Haven says...

Yep Slick Willy was a genuine draft dodger. Kerry would have done what Dubya
did if he's had the intelligence to do it.

Let me get this straight, you say that:

1) clinton was a draft dodger and that was wrong.

2) W was a draft dodger and it was right, and smart.

3) Kerry served his country overseas, and that makes him
stupid and unfit to run for president.

Doesn't make sense to me.

Jim

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says...

The irony is that the kind of bashing that Gunner and others so energetically
re-post here doesn't make converts of anyone. I've never met a single person
who has voted differently because of what he or she heard on conservative talk
radio or it's print equivalent, the New York Post. And I know some pretty dumb
people! In fact I sometimes wonder whether conservative talk radio is promoted
by the liberal-controlled media in order to discredit conservatives by making
them look like a bunch of gossipy paranoid loons. :-)

Ha ha - that's actually a very funny premise. Pablum for the masses
and all.

Jim

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God bless you guys." To my suprise and delight, they all saluted me.

I would not have been suprised at all, I've seen and met many
soldiers who were going overseas (camp smith, peekskill) and
they have all impressed me tremendously as dedicated, competent
hard working folks. They seem young and a bit anxious, but
certainly well trained and devoted to doing a job. Nobody has
any fear that this country will fail in any way because of
a lack in the men and women who make up its armed forces, IMO.

Jim

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says...

Both the Republicans and Democrats should be careful what they wish for
this election cycle. While the economy will most likely improve enough
this summer to help Bush's reelection chances, we could witness some
truly interesting times within the next decade.

How 'bout this for a possibility: Bush is reelected by a narrow margin,
has a truly disastrous second term on many fronts, resulting in the
near-destruction of the Republican party for a generation.

Interesting. I always wondered if the contest between gore and
GWB was broked in the back room. Ie, the democrats said, 'no
thanks, we don't want this one. You folks go on up ahead and
take the point.'

I think if I knew that your theory was correct, I would vote for
bush in november.

Jim

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"William" wrote in message
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Why are you worried about people being swayed by polls? If they can be
swayed by a poll, what else can they be swayed by?

I think the stink over polls is 'way off base. I don't know anyone who
votes
on the basis of polls. But I do know people who vote for stupid reasons.

Ed Huntress

It's not that they may vote based on the polls, it's that they may NOT
vote
at all, becuse of them, especially with exit polling.

Well, exit polling doesn't do anything particularly useful, except for the
media, and that problem has been solved, hasn't it? The networks aren't
reporting exit polls now until the West Coast polls are closed. All they're
reporting until then is official counts.

Ed Huntress

"mikee" wrote in message
...
5 bucks says I'm right. You up for the bet?

If you're that confident, Mike, you must be giving odds. I'll take $5 at
10:1. 'You ready to put up $50?

Otherwise, only a fool would take even odds on what now looks like a close
election. How confident are you? 20:1, maybe? g

Ed Huntress

On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 09:04:11 -0600, mikee
brought forth from the murky depths:

I'd love your scenario, as it means my children would have a chance to be alive
for a another generation (twenty years?). This is about survival, fella, nothing
else. I'll take GW, thank you.

The Shrub's reelection could result in global jihad and an end
to our glorious way of life. I hope you do NOT get what you wish
for, Mikey.


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That sentiment wasn't that norm when I wore the uniform, tho. Times have
changed, and I'm indeed glad to see it!

Mike Eberlein

jim rozen wrote:

In article , mikee says...

God bless you guys." To my suprise and delight, they all saluted me.

I would not have been suprised at all, I've seen and met many
soldiers who were going overseas (camp smith, peekskill) and
they have all impressed me tremendously as dedicated, competent
hard working folks. They seem young and a bit anxious, but
certainly well trained and devoted to doing a job. Nobody has
any fear that this country will fail in any way because of
a lack in the men and women who make up its armed forces, IMO.

Jim

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Fool? Gambling at odds less than 50/50 is pretty dumb. I'll take a 60/40
chance (in my favor, that is) until I run out of money, all day and night.
Don't know how the election will come out, too much time to go and who knows
how events or the media will spin things until it's done.

Offer stands, even money, 5 bucks. You wanna take it?

Mike Eberlein (who has never bought a lottery ticket in his life, made a fair
of money in the Army from the statistically/probability disadvantaged in crap
games, and who lives in Tennessee which recently announced a $3000/year
scholarship for all full time students {including my daughter} enrolled in
Tennessee colleges based on revenue from the new Tennessee lottery!! Buy a
ticket, Ed. Hell, buy a hundred tickets. It's for a good cause)

Ed Huntress wrote:

"mikee" wrote in message
...
5 bucks says I'm right. You up for the bet?

If you're that confident, Mike, you must be giving odds. I'll take $5 at
10:1. 'You ready to put up $50?

Otherwise, only a fool would take even odds on what now looks like a close
election. How confident are you? 20:1, maybe? g

Ed Huntress

Glenn Ashmore wrote:

And the Dubya was born with a silver foot in his mouth, came to about
every third National Guard assembly while men like Kerry and I were
eating mud in Nam, was given every job he ever had (including this
one) because of his dad's connections.

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.


Throwing glasses inside stone homes isn't recommended either.

snipped

Jeff


--
Jeff Wisnia (W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)

"My luck is so bad that if I bought a cemetery, people would stop dying."

Offer stands, even money, 5 bucks. You wanna take it?

A man who only offers even odds isn't very committed, Mike. It sounds like
you aren't very confident that Bush could win against Kerry. Yet, just a
couple of messages ago, you said that Kerry's nomination would practically
guarentee that Bush would win.

Which is it? Do you believe in what you said, or not? If so, I expect much
better odds than that. If not, you're giving a pretty good indication right
here that maybe you mispoke, eh?

I have no idea who will win. As I said, right now it looks like a close
call. Now, I'm always attracted to risk, and I've been known to take a wager
from time to time. But I've never gambled in my life. Gambling is for fools.

BTW, if you offer odds commensurate with your self-assurance, I'm sure I can
find a Kerry supporter who will do the same thing. As I said, I like to
wager, but I never gamble. g

Ed Huntress

"Why" wrote in message
...
"mikee" wrote in message
...
5 bucks says I'm right. You up for the bet?

If you're that confident, Mike, you must be giving odds. I'll take $5 at
10:1. 'You ready to put up $50?

Otherwise, only a fool would take even odds on what now looks like a
close
election. How confident are you? 20:1, maybe? g

Ed Huntress


I'll bet a cup of 1975 sulphur oil (still in the machine, experienced
oil that's very good oil, it has experience).

But what are we betting on?

Mikee said, and I quote, "I hope Kerry gets the Democratic nomination. It
will almost guarantee Bush's reelection."

Now he's waffling. He won't give odds. g

Which reminds me, I have that can of Buttercut for you. I don't know if UPS
will let me ship biological incubators that are still alive inside, but I'll
find out.

Man, it's one ugly can of oil.

Ed Huntress

mikee wrote:
The media keeps harping on the "number of casualities after Bush declared
hostilities over." Fu*king idiots. We have lost 500+ US G.I.'s since the war
began. How many people get slaughtered on U.S. highways each day? Around 130,
worth about 4 days of this war.

I had the priviledge to be going thru the Atlanta airport several weeks ago when a
lot of the 101st Airborne were coming home fom Iraq. I yelled "Hey, Army. Wore
that uniform 30+ years ago, it's changed color. Glad the haircuts are the same.
God bless you guys." To my suprise and delight, they all saluted me.

Mike Eberlein (U.S. Army, 1970-72)

You can claim all sorts of things with numbers. Total count to date for
"Coalition" forces: 630 dead 2,600 wounded in a population of 130,000 or
about 5 per thousand dead. Deaths by automobile accidents over the same
period (using your figure) 47,000 in a population of 220,000,000 or
about .21 per thousand.

I have no doubt that those solders were happy to recognize an "old
soldier" but did you stop and talk to them? I spent two hours during a
layover at BWI last month with a group of officers from several units
returning for their two weeks R&R. Without exception their description
of the situation in Iraq was the same four letter word. A couple who
worked with the locals in restoring civil organization voiced the
opinion that getting out without major embarrasment for the US will be
almost impossible.

BTW, they had to pay their own airfare from BWI to their home base.

--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
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Ed,

Realistically, Kerry is somewhat left of Teddy Kennedy (Is that possible? Have
I been listening to Gunner too long?). If he gets the nomination, it's going to
be an uphill fight against a fairly popular president.

I don't gamble much (but occasionally will take an even odds bet), but I do like
to bull**** some. My confidence is not real high that Bush will win, but my
bull**** factor wants him to. Just like the last election, this one should
make for interesting viewing!

Like I said, if you want odds, buy a lottery ticket.

Mike Eberlein (BTW, I'd vote for Barbara Bush if she were running rather than
either of the Georges.)

Ed Huntress wrote:


Offer stands, even money, 5 bucks. You wanna take it?

A man who only offers even odds isn't very committed, Mike. It sounds like
you aren't very confident that Bush could win against Kerry. Yet, just a
couple of messages ago, you said that Kerry's nomination would practically
guarentee that Bush would win.

Which is it? Do you believe in what you said, or not? If so, I expect much
better odds than that. If not, you're giving a pretty good indication right
here that maybe you mispoke, eh?

I have no idea who will win. As I said, right now it looks like a close
call. Now, I'm always attracted to risk, and I've been known to take a wager
from time to time. But I've never gambled in my life. Gambling is for fools.

BTW, if you offer odds commensurate with your self-assurance, I'm sure I can
find a Kerry supporter who will do the same thing. As I said, I like to
wager, but I never gamble. g

Ed Huntress

(Dan Caster) wrote in message om...
He did not go AWOL. He did pretty much the same thing I did.

Bought & paid for?

I joined the Navy as a reservist and was obligated for two years active
service and six years in the reserve. Before I finished the two years
active service, the Armed services ran out of money and was letting
everyone out two months early.

So he did it to save the government money?

I did not get out the full two months
early as I was overseas on a destroyer. After I got out, I was
suppose to join a reserve unit and attend weekly meetings. But I was
in college at the time and never got around to joining a unit. Partly
because I really needed to have a car to get to the meetings.

I guess he could not afford one either, huh?

After
college I moved across country and after a year or so, I got a call to
join a reserve unit that was about thirty or forty miles away. But
before they got serious about having me join,

Like with lawyers & jail?

I moved again to Alaska
( to an Airforce Satelite tracking station ). The nearest reserve
unit was probably about a hundred miles away as the airplane flies ,
but no road. When I left Alaska, I only had about six more months of
obligated time. And the Navy was not interested in having me join for
just six months.

No carriers to land on?

Bush got authorized to not attend reserve meetings while he worked on
a political campaign.

Whose? Let us guess ..... (it's illegal for government employees to
work on such, right?)

After the campaign was over , he only had a few
months more time and since there were no pressing need for the
reserves, no one really cared if he attended meetings.

Poor baby ... so he, patriot that he is, just skipped out.

I know I saved the U.S. a bunch of money by not ever attending any
reserve meetings.

If all the US military just skipped their required meetings we could save
enough to pay down the national debt, right?

But I would have been there if there had been
anything that needed me to be on active duty. Bush probably saved the
government even more. Those Jet fighters are expensive to fly with
all the maintenance in addition to the fuel.

And replacing them after a drunken crash is even more expensive, right?

But G.W. and I were never AWOL ( Well except for the time I didn't
make it back to the ship on time, but that is another story ).


Just out at the same party together?

Dan


"PrecisionMachinisT" wrote in message

GEORGE W. BUSH
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue
Washington, DC 20520



Military:

I joined the Texas Air National Guard and went AWOL. I refused to take a
drug test or answer any questions about my drug use. By joining the Texas
Air National Guard, I was able to avoid combat duty in Vietnam.

LOL! If you live in Tennesee, I'll vote for you based on that comment! If not, I'll
have to wait until you run for a federal office.

Mike Eberlein

Chris Johnson wrote:

tonyp wrote:
"Chris Johnson" wrote


I wouldn't trust anyone running to walk my dog.



Okay, but just remember that Mr. President George W. Bush, Commander in Chief of
the Armed Forces, Leader of the Free World, and Defender of the Faith-based
initiative, _is_ one of those who are running.

-- Tony P.



I voted for him last time. Given the choices available, I'd vote for
him again. But even he is falling short of the high expectations that
I had for him in the first half of his Presidency. Falling FAR short,
actually.

The best choice available to us is seriously flawed. What does that
say about the kinds of people who get into politics these days?

I swear, the way things are going, I'll be running for office myself
in the next few years, on the premise that you could do much worse
than to vote for me, and probably already have.

CJ

In article , mikee says...

That sentiment wasn't that norm when I wore the uniform, tho. Times have
changed, and I'm indeed glad to see it!

I think to some degree the american public has grown up a bit
and recognized the difference between the politicians who send
their men off to war, and the men who become soldiers and
fight the politicians' wars.

I don't see any inconsistency in respecting or admiring the
soldiers, vs distrusting or despising the politicians.

Jim

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In article , Ed Huntress
says...

I have no idea who will win. As I said, right now it looks like a close
call. Now, I'm always attracted to risk, and I've been known to take a wager
from time to time. But I've never gambled in my life. Gambling is for fools.

*If* they pull the Osama-Rabbit out of the hat less than a month
before the election, Bush is a shoe in. I'll put five bucks
on that bet, Ed. If you take that one, we'll need to have some
kind of digital handshake to seal the wager!

Jim

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I gave you odds, 50/50. You wouldn't take 'em. Must mean you aren't a gambler!

Mike Eberlein

Ed Huntress wrote:

"Why" wrote in message
...
"mikee" wrote in message
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5 bucks says I'm right. You up for the bet?

If you're that confident, Mike, you must be giving odds. I'll take $5 at
10:1. 'You ready to put up $50?

Otherwise, only a fool would take even odds on what now looks like a
close
election. How confident are you? 20:1, maybe? g

Ed Huntress


I'll bet a cup of 1975 sulphur oil (still in the machine, experienced
oil that's very good oil, it has experience).

But what are we betting on?

Mikee said, and I quote, "I hope Kerry gets the Democratic nomination. It
will almost guarantee Bush's reelection."

Now he's waffling. He won't give odds. g

Which reminds me, I have that can of Buttercut for you. I don't know if UPS
will let me ship biological incubators that are still alive inside, but I'll
find out.

Man, it's one ugly can of oil.

Ed Huntress

Maria has actually worked in the real world, unlike Teddy. So she
does not think that business is all evil and should be taxed out of
existence. But she also knows that businesses don't vote. No farm,
all the immigrants she dealt with were in high tech so they probably
had phd's.

Dan


"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
Maria Cantwell from Washington
State is a bit left of center and more than fifteen points right of
Teddy.

Hmm. I can hardly imagine what that means out there, Dan. But let me
guess...She's liberal enough that she doesn't actually hire illegal
immigrants to work her farm, but she's conservative enough to believe they
should be freely traded on the open market?

d8-)


Ed Huntress

"jim rozen" wrote in message
...
In article , Ed Huntress
says...

I have no idea who will win. As I said, right now it looks like a close
call. Now, I'm always attracted to risk, and I've been known to take a
wager
from time to time. But I've never gambled in my life. Gambling is for
fools.

*If* they pull the Osama-Rabbit out of the hat less than a month
before the election, Bush is a shoe in. I'll put five bucks
on that bet, Ed. If you take that one, we'll need to have some
kind of digital handshake to seal the wager!

I wouldn't take that one if you put icing on it, Jim. In fact, I wouldn't be
surprised if they have him right now, with Karl Rove doing a series of
regression analyses to determine the perfect time to pull him out of his
hole. g

Ed Huntress

"mikee" wrote in message
...
I gave you odds, 50/50. You wouldn't take 'em. Must mean you aren't a
gambler!

Exactly. Think of me more as a kind of wager arbitrageur...g!

Ed Huntress

"jim rozen" wrote in message
...
In article , Ed Huntress
says...

I have no idea who will win. As I said, right now it looks like a close
call. Now, I'm always attracted to risk, and I've been known to take a
wager
from time to time. But I've never gambled in my life. Gambling is for
fools.

*If* they pull the Osama-Rabbit out of the hat less than a month
before the election, Bush is a shoe in. I'll put five bucks
on that bet, Ed. If you take that one, we'll need to have some
kind of digital handshake to seal the wager!

Jim


Only if they leave enough time for him to thaw out and don't forget to cut
the toe tag off before the pictures :-)
William....

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