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No one has ever run deficits like the ones Bush is running. Again, find out
what you're talking about.

Ed Huntress


Hmmm, and I thought congress made the budget all this time ).
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Well at least he's not a draft dodger.

Jim


Yeah, That last idiot prez we had sure was. Greg S
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"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
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"Jim Wilson" wrote in message
k.net...
Ed Huntress wrote...

I see that the latest CNN/Gallup Poll has Kerry ahead of Bush by 53%

to
46%.

Hey, I've got a question. Does anybody know of a quantitative study on
how accurately the polls predict election day results? Something like,
before election day 2000, the polls said X, and on election day, the
voters said Y. I've never seen something like this.


There are some correlations between polls and results on the Web. But you
have to decide first what you're looking for. If the question is how
accurately do polls taken a month before an election predict the election
results, the answer is, very poorly...because the poll studied opinions a
month before the election, not the morning of election day.

Polls are snapshots that reflect opinions at one instant in time. That's
all.

Ed Huntress

I'd ban ALL political polling until the elections are over. Let everyone
vote their own mind without being swayed by what some poll says others are
doing.

Gary H. Lucas


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Hmm. Liberal might also mean, you support the entire bill
of rights. It could mean pensions that were promised, have
to be delivered on retirement. That sort of thing. I
think I approve of your viewpoint.

Jim


Yes, or one for all & all for one, take from the rich & give to the poor. A
big socialist society where Uncle takes care of all your needs .. on & on.
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And you are saying that Gunner's original post was "fair and Balanced"?

Nope but mine was ).
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Well, you sure can't call him a draft dodger


Yep Slick Willy was a genuine draft dodger. Kerry would have done what Dubya
did if he's had the intelligence to do it. Hell, so would I..
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On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 16:40:20 GMT, "Ed Huntress"
brought forth from the murky depths:

Polls are snapshots that reflect opinions at one instant in time. That's
all.


That's at their best. At their worst, they are poorly
worded and heavily slanted toward the obtaining the
precise results the pollster wants. Far too often they
are the latter.


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"Jim Wilson" wrote in message
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Ed Huntress wrote...
Polls are snapshots that reflect opinions at one instant in time.


That is precisely what I'm getting at -- or what I'm doubting, to tell
the truth. I've never seen anything to substantiate that the polls have
any value, other than to give the media something to talk about as if
they had "authoritative" information -- yes, I'm laughing -- and to give
politicians a compass to pose on.


Well, don't make light of that compass. It's of interest to more than the
politicians. I find it interesting to see how events, speeches, and so on
influence the public mood.

In national politics, it only takes a slight change in attitudes to have a
really large consequence. Most races are close enough that the
non-idealogues, who vote for the person rather than for the party, tend to
determine the outcome of elections. So it's to be expected that the majority
will swing back and forth a bit during the course of a campaign, as it
unfolds.

But within the scope of what they measure, the polls we have today are
extraordinarily good. Notice that when one comes out significantly wrong,
it's big news. There's no comment when they get it right -- which is most of
the time.

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"Gary H. Lucas" wrote in message
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There are some correlations between polls and results on the Web. But

you
have to decide first what you're looking for. If the question is how
accurately do polls taken a month before an election predict the

election
results, the answer is, very poorly...because the poll studied opinions

a
month before the election, not the morning of election day.

Polls are snapshots that reflect opinions at one instant in time. That's
all.

Ed Huntress

I'd ban ALL political polling until the elections are over. Let everyone
vote their own mind without being swayed by what some poll says others are
doing.

Gary H. Lucas



Why are you worried about people being swayed by polls? If they can be
swayed by a poll, what else can they be swayed by?

I think the stink over polls is 'way off base. I don't know anyone who votes
on the basis of polls. But I do know people who vote for stupid reasons.

Ed Huntress


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On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 12:31:18 -0500, john
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The blacklist:
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/lou....a/content.html

Corning:
http://www.forbes.com/personalfinanc...tr1242986.html

Best regards,
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What................ walmart didnt make the list


Met Life and NY Life Ins. Cos.?!? How do life insurance
companies "export America"? I'm stumped. Indian Voice Mail
or sumpin?


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On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 01:00:47 GMT, the renowned Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 12:31:18 -0500, john
brought forth from the murky depths:

The blacklist:
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/lou....a/content.html

Corning:
http://www.forbes.com/personalfinanc...tr1242986.html

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany


What................ walmart didnt make the list


Met Life and NY Life Ins. Cos.?!? How do life insurance
companies "export America"? I'm stumped. Indian Voice Mail
or sumpin?


The Offshore Component
ACS now processes a MetLife claim online in a matter of seconds, not
days. MetLife claims arrive at ACS' mailroom in Lexington, Kentucky,
where they are opened and prepped for scanning. "Prepping involves a
lot of little things that make a big difference," says Creamer. ACS
sands the edges off the envelopes instead of slicing open the mail to
protect the contents better. Slicing envelopes tends to cut up
internal documents which then have to be taped together again before
scanning, which adds another step to the workflow.

The next step involves screening the claims to see if documents are
missing, then sorting them. Once the staff scans the document, the
image "is almost simultaneously beamed offshore" for data capture via
ACS' proprietary satellite network. ACS has disaster prevention
practices in place, including never sending more than 50 percent of a
client's work to one offshore location. MetLife preferred this system
to other providers who were limited to a single location or who had no
backup or recovery mechanism.

ACS has offshore operations in Ghana, Mexico, the Caribbean, Guatemala
and China. When claims arrive at these centers, one operator keys in
the data from the digitized image of the claim and another operator
independently keys it in again. The system automatically compares the
two versions to verify that there is no difference in the information.

ACS passes on its labor savings from its offshore operations to
MetLife. "Wage rates in countries like India and the Philippines can
provide an 80 percent discount on U.S. wages," says Debashish Sinha,
Principal Analyst of IT Services, at the Gartner Group. He says total
cost savings are closer to 50 percent "because of the significant
additional costs associated with managing the relationship."

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"Bray Haven" wrote in message
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No one has ever run deficits like the ones Bush is running. Again, find

out
what you're talking about.

Ed Huntress


Hmmm, and I thought congress made the budget all this time ).
Greg Sefton


Not when the President and the majority of Congress are of the same party.
Then the President just tells them how high to jump. d8-)

Ed Huntress


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"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
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On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 16:40:20 GMT, "Ed Huntress"
brought forth from the murky depths:

Polls are snapshots that reflect opinions at one instant in time. That's
all.


That's at their best. At their worst, they are poorly
worded and heavily slanted toward the obtaining the
precise results the pollster wants. Far too often they
are the latter.


That's why, if you're seriously interest in the poll, you read the
methodology -- including the questions. If you don't you just victimize
yourself.

In light of that, Zogby is catching hell lately for the way he's wording
questions. He did a poll for the Doris Day Animal League, or whatever it's
called, and came to the conclusion that 51% of Americans say that
chimpanzees have the same rights as human babies. g

He also does the polls for the NRA. As I say, read the methodology...

Ed Huntress


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"Ed Huntress" wrote

Why are you worried about people being swayed by polls? If they can be
swayed by a poll, what else can they be swayed by?

I think the stink over polls is 'way off base. I don't know anyone who votes
on the basis of polls. But I do know people who vote for stupid reasons.



Some would tell you that _Congressmen_ have been known to vote on the basis of
polls. But it's not clear why that should be considered a scandal, in a
democracy.

-- Tony P.




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Fifteen points right of Teddy Kennedy is still left of center. Are
you sure Attila the Hun was a liberal? Maria Cantwell from Washington
State is a bit left of center and more than fifteen points right of
Teddy.

Dan


"Ed Huntress" wrote in message

Don't need anyone churning out anything on Kerry. The fact that he's

Liberal
Left enough to make Teddy Kennedy look like a moderate is enough for me.
Actually that may be stretching it a mite, but he could be 15 points to
Teddys
right and still be too far Left for me.


I think that puts you somewhere between Vlad the Impaler and Attila the Hun,
Harold. g



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On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 16:43:57 GMT, "J. R. Carroll"
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"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
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You won't have to. There is no one farther left than the Kennedy's. g

This
stuff about Kerry being an extreme lefty is just more bull**** from the
right. They're trying to set up a defense by demonizing Kerry by using the
"L" word. Watch closely: Rove will have a whole list of lies and
misrepresentations cooked up by Super Tuesday, and we'll probably start
seeing "cites" referring to them posted here by you. I think we can count

on
it.

The thing that's perked up my attention is that it's beginning to look

that
the old "L"-word trick has lost its steam. It's a 25-year-old trick, and
people are getting sick of it.

Yes Ed, they are. Branding Kerry a liberal won't help Republicans one bit.
Bush has proven himself a liar in the most craven and manipulative sense.
That will be the issue that won't go away. You only need ask the question "
where are the jobs?"


Here is a very good article by Ellen Goodman on where the new jobs
are. http://www.startribune.com/stories/1519/4357063.html

or any number of others to grasp the problem Bush
faces. Had Clinton behaved as Bush has on issues more substantial than oral
sex he would certainly have been impeached. People are also tired of the
GOP's revving up of its "Christian" base. They want a President to elect not
a frigging nanny, Deacon or minister. The only thing uglier than the contest
will be the following four years if Bush wins and perhaps enough people
believe this to put an end to it.


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In article , Larry Jaques says...

Met Life and NY Life Ins. Cos.?!? How do life insurance
companies "export America"? I'm stumped. Indian Voice Mail
or sumpin?


Ha ha. I *just* experience this. I wanted to increase
my life insurance amount, and Met Life writes the
policies I get through my employer. So the conversation
goes like this:

Me: I'd like to increase my life insurance amount, please.

pause

pause

pause

Metlife Rep: Ok, I need some information from you (pretty flawless
accent, but an accent still. Fairly understandable, but obviously
from someplace in India.

pause

pause

pause

crackle

pause

Me: etc....


It was sort of like talking on ham radio. I had to resist
the urge to say "over to you there, mister" at the end of
each statement. A couple of times we wound up both talking
at the same time, and seeing as the connection did not
seem to be true duplex, I think something got lost in the,
um, translation.

Jim

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Yes, or one for all & all for one, take from the rich & give to the poor. A
big socialist society where Uncle takes care of all your needs .. on & on.


I take it they you approve of companies raiding their pension
plans to inflate their profits? That's good 'cause that what
your buddy W is preparing to do, by ramming a bill through
that explicity defines cash balance pension plans as "NOT
AGE DISCRIMINATION."

I sure hope you don't have one of those pensions.

I also notice that you forgot to trash the bill of rights
as being more liberal claptrap.

Jim

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Well at least he's not a draft dodger.


Yeah, That last idiot prez we had sure was.


Good point. So if you think it was wrong for
Bill, then you think it's equally wrong for
W to have been a draft dodger, yes?
I guess that would give him a spot in the
Jane Fonda Hall of Fame.

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Hmmm, and I thought congress made the budget all this time ).


The House of Representatives actually, but the last time I
checked, they controlled by, hmm, let's see, which party....

Maybe, the Druids?

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He did not go AWOL. He did pretty much the same thing I did. I
joined the Navy as a reservist and was obligated for two years active
service and six years in the reserve. Before I finished the two years
active service, the Armed services ran out of money and was letting
everyone out two months early. I did not get out the full two months
early as I was overseas on a destroyer. After I got out, I was
suppose to join a reserve unit and attend weekly meetings. But I was
in college at the time and never got around to joining a unit. Partly
because I really needed to have a car to get to the meetings. After
college I moved across country and after a year or so, I got a call to
join a reserve unit that was about thirty or forty miles away. But
before they got serious about having me join, I moved again to Alaska
( to an Airforce Satelite tracking station ). The nearest reserve
unit was probably about a hundred miles away as the airplane flies ,
but no road. When I left Alaska, I only had about six more months of
obligated time. And the Navy was not interested in having me join for
just six months.

Bush got authorized to not attend reserve meetings while he worked on
a political campaign. After the campaign was over , he only had a few
months more time and since there were no pressing need for the
reserves, no one really cared if he attended meetings.

I know I saved the U.S. a bunch of money by not ever attending any
reserve meetings. But I would have been there if there had been
anything that needed me to be on active duty. Bush probably saved the
government even more. Those Jet fighters are expensive to fly with
all the maintenance in addition to the fuel.
But G.W. and I were never AWOL ( Well except for the time I didn't
make it back to the ship on time, but that is another story ).

Dan


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Military:

I joined the Texas Air National Guard and went AWOL. I refused to take a
drug test or answer any questions about my drug use. By joining the Texas
Air National Guard, I was able to avoid combat duty in Vietnam.

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In article , Andy Asberry says...

Here is a very good article by Ellen Goodman on where the new jobs
are. http://www.startribune.com/stories/1519/4357063.html


That's actually pretty funny, and accurate too. I'm not
sure if that's *really* where the jobs are going, but
it sounds about right.

Jim

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You forgot a couple:
Currently commander in chief & presided over the most successful military
campaign in history.


You mis-spelled 'expensive.'

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"Dan Caster" wrote in message
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Fifteen points right of Teddy Kennedy is still left of center.


I guess that depends on how you count "points," Dan.

Are
you sure Attila the Hun was a liberal?


Nope. He was a registered Libertarian.

Maria Cantwell from Washington
State is a bit left of center and more than fifteen points right of
Teddy.


Hmm. I can hardly imagine what that means out there, Dan. But let me
guess...She's liberal enough that she doesn't actually hire illegal
immigrants to work her farm, but she's conservative enough to believe they
should be freely traded on the open market?

d8-)


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I did not get out the full two months
early as I was overseas on a destroyer.


Dan, I think that shows the glaring difference between
you and him. *You* served your country faithfully and
honorably.

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I wouldn't trust anyone running to walk my dog.

The best of the bunch is far too close to the bottom of the barrel for
my tastes.

NONE of them are properly focused on protecting and defending America's
FREEDOMS, and our opportunities, from assault from all sides including
within.

I could go off on a heck of a riff about the whole thing, but to make
it short and sweet, why are we sending money to other countries when we
have people in our own country who can't find a job (stolen by illegal
immigrants) and don't even have a roof over their heads?

We have to provide for our OWN people before providing for anyone else.

To be utterly blunt, as long as we have problems of our own that haven't
been solved, the rest of the world can go stuff itself.

I favor legislative action to protect American markets from the unfair
trade practices that much of the world engages in. (It's easy to sell
stuff very cheaply to Americans when you barely pay your workforce!)

Bring American jobs home. Place import tariffs on imported products to
reduce their market advantage, and retaliate against the importing
nation by placing export tariffs on all of our products that go there.

America and Americans first. I'll vote for the candidate that swears
to do that, with one hand on a bible and the other on his heart.

And anyone who wishes to deprive me of ANY of my Constitutionally
guaranteed rights, INCLUDING the right to keep and bear (any) arms (for
any lawful reason), will not only NEVER get my vote, but I will work
to ensure that others won't vote for him, either.

In this respect, Clark is the worst of the bunch. He'd be happy to
edit the 2nd amendment from the Bill of Rights if he could.

As Clark swore "to protect and defend the Constitution against ALL
enemies, foreign and domestic" and holds a contrarian view on parts of
that Constitution, I think he should be charged with dereliction of
duty at the very least. Maybe even TREASON.

CJ


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THE REAL KERRY

By HOWIE CARR
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


February 5, 2004 -- BOSTON

ONE of the surest ways to get the phones ringing on any
Massachusetts talk-radio show is to ask people to call in and
tell their John Kerry stories. The phone lines are soon filled,
and most of the stories have a common theme: our junior senator
pulling rank on one of his constituents, breaking in line,
demanding to pay less (or nothing) or ducking out before the bill
arrives.

The tales often have one other common thread. Most end with Sen.
Kerry inquiring of the lesser mortal: "Do you know who I am?"

And now he's running for president as a populist. His first wife
came from a Philadelphia Main Line family worth $300 million. His
second wife is a pickle-and-ketchup heiress.

Kerry lives in a mansion on Beacon Hill on which he has borrowed
$6 million to finance his campaign. A fire hydrant that prevented
him and his wife from parking their SUV in front of their tony
digs was removed by the city of Boston at his behest.

The Kerrys ski at a spa the widow Heinz owns in Aspen, and they
summer on Nantucket in a sprawling seaside "cottage" on Hurlbert
Avenue, which is so well-appointed that at a recent fund-raiser,
they imported porta-toilets onto the front lawn so the donors
wouldn't use the inside bathrooms. (They later claimed the
decision was made on septic, not social, considerations).

It's a wonderful life these days for John Kerry. He sails
Nantucket Sound in "the Scaramouche," a 42-foot Hinckley
powerboat. Martha Stewart has a similar boat; the no-frills model
reportedly starts at $695,000. Sen. Kerry bought it new, for
cash.



Every Tuesday night, the local politicians here that Kerry
elbowed out of his way on his march to the top watch, fascinated,
as he claims victory in more primaries and denounces the special
interests, the "millionaires" and "the overprivileged."

"His initials are JFK," longtime state Senate President William
M. Bulger used to muse on St. Patrick's Day, "Just for Kerry.
He's only Irish every sixth year." And now it turns out that he's
not Irish at all.

But in the parochial world of Bay State politics, he was never
really seen as Irish, even when he was claiming to be (although
now, of course, he says that any references to his alleged
Hibernian heritage were mistakenly put into the Congressional
Record by an aide who apparently didn't know that on his paternal
side he is, in fact, part-Jewish).

Kerry is, in fact, a Brahmin - his mother was a Forbes, from one
of Massachusetts' oldest WASP families. The ancestor who wed
Ralph Waldo Emerson's daughter was marrying down.

At the risk of engaging in ethnic stereotyping, Yankees have a
reputation for, shall we say, frugality. And Kerry tosses around
quarters like they were manhole covers. In 1993, for instance,
living on a senator's salary of about $100,000, he managed to
give a total of $135 to charity.

Yet that same year, he was somehow able to scrape together $8,600
for a brand-new, imported Italian motorcycle, a Ducati Paso 907
IE. He kept it for years, until he decided to run for president,
at which time he traded it in for a Harley-Davidson like the one
he rode onto "The Tonight Show" set a couple of months ago as Jay
Leno applauded his fellow Bay Stater.

Of course, in 1993 he was between his first and second heiresses
- a time he now calls "the wandering years," although an equally
apt description might be "the freeloading years."

For some of the time, he was, for all practical purposes,
homeless. His friends allowed him into a real-estate deal in
which he flipped a condo for quick resale, netting a $21,000
profit on a cash investment of exactly nothing. For months he
rode around in a new car supplied by a shady local Buick dealer.
When the dealer's ties to a congressman who was later indicted
for racketeering were exposed, Kerry quickly explained that the
non-payment was a mere oversight, and wrote out a check.

In the Senate, his record of his constituent services has been
lackluster, and most of his colleagues, despite their public
support, are hard-pressed to list an accomplishment. Just last
fall, a Boston TV reporter ambushed three congressmen with the
question, name something John Kerry has accomplished in Congress.
After a few nervous giggles, two could think of nothing, and a
third mentioned a baseball field, and then misidentified Kerry as
"Sen. Kennedy."

Many of his constituents see him in person only when he is
cutting them in line - at an airport, a clam shack or the
Registry of Motor Vehicles. One talk-show caller a few weeks back
recalled standing behind a police barricade in 2002 as the
Rolling Stones played the Orpheum Theater, a short limousine ride


from Kerry's Louisburg Square mansion.


The caller, Jay, said he began heckling Kerry and his wife as
they attempted to enter the theater. Finally, he said, the
senator turned to him and asked him the eternal question.

"Do you know who I am?"

"Yeah," said Jay. "You're a gold-digger."

John Kerry. First he looks at the purse.

Howie Carr, a Boston Herald columnist and syndicated talk-radio
host, has been covering John Kerry for 25 years.

http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/op...ists/17337.htm



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Whenever these twin concepts fall into disrepute -- get out of there fast! You may possibly
save yourself, but it is too late to save that society. It is doomed. " Lazarus Long


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This afternoon I was attempting to solve a rather complex problem a
client in Chicago was having with his computer. I had narrowed it down
to a hardware problem so I called IBM support line. The first
dispatcher was in Manila, Philippines who handed me off to level 1 in
New Deli. After he decided that he could not handle hardware problems I
was sent to Ireland where, after a long conversation, I was sent to
Toronto and finally to someone who knew what he was doing in New York.
After I finally convinced him that it really was a hardware problem he
dispatched a repair man from the local IBM office, 3 floors down in the
same building as the client. The phone call only took 2 hours.

Until two years ago all but the last stage was in Atlanta and I knew
most of the personnel.

--
Glenn Ashmore

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there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
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Glenn Ashmore
 
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You know, if we are going to compare this one to that one; Which cost
the US tax payer more, changing the sheets in the Lincoln bedroom or
flying a 747 halfway across the country and back so the President can
speak at a fund raiser?

--
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I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
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Jim Wilson
 
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Ed Huntress wrote...

Well, don't make light of that compass. It's of interest to more than the
politicians.


It is disturbing -- repulsive, really -- when a politician follows a
compass of polls. In my view, one who does is in clear need of an
internal one. Unfortunately, however, it appears to me that to be a
successful politician, one needs to have such a whimsical guide. How did
Douglas Adams say it? "Anyone capable of getting themselves made
president should on no account be allowed to do the job." Or something
like that.

Jim
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mikee
 
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I hope Kerry gets the Democratic nomination. It will almost guarantee Bush's
reelection.

Mike Eberlein

Ed Huntress wrote:

"Abrasha" wrote in message
...
Gunner wrote:


THE REAL KERRY

By HOWIE CARR

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

-----

Gunner,

The New York Post? What's next from you, the National Enquirer? What a

truly
pathetic miserable toothless gutless worm you are.


Haha! Don't hold back, Abrasha. Tell us what you really think...g

Being a denizen of the most remote of the former Territories, The State of
Utter Confusion, Gunner may not realize that he's quoting from the NY Metro
area's favorite bird-cage liner. It's about like quoting on the subject of
gun control from "Vanity Fair."

I see that the latest CNN/Gallup Poll has Kerry ahead of Bush by 53% to 46%.
That's a reflection of Kerry getting a boost from his string of primary
victories but it shows that, once again, the country could be in a mood to
favor a Democrat -- at least against a Bush.

This is going to be an interesting one, all right.

Ed Huntress




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On 6 Feb 2004 18:09:17 -0800, jim rozen
brought forth from the murky depths:

In article , Larry Jaques says...

Met Life and NY Life Ins. Cos.?!? How do life insurance
companies "export America"? I'm stumped. Indian Voice Mail
or sumpin?


Ha ha. I *just* experience this. I wanted to increase
my life insurance amount, and Met Life writes the
policies I get through my employer. So the conversation
goes like this:

-snip-
Metlife Rep: Ok, I need some information from you (pretty flawless
accent, but an accent still. Fairly understandable, but obviously
from someplace in India.


I did the same thing with Dell and it took half an hour and
several different departments (each with their own peculiar
Indian accents) to finally tell me that they would no longer
send the weekly ad mags to my residence. The first guy said
I couldn't stop them because I wasn't the person to whom
they were addressed, even if it WAS my residence and I owned
the property.


It was sort of like talking on ham radio. I had to resist
the urge to say "over to you there, mister" at the end of
each statement. A couple of times we wound up both talking
at the same time, and seeing as the connection did not
seem to be true duplex, I think something got lost in the,
um, translation.


Perhaps you should ask Lord Ganesh for clarification.
http://www.geocities.com/RodeoDrive/1415/gan.html


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On 6 Feb 2004 18:19:25 -0800, jim rozen
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In article , Bray Haven says...

Hmmm, and I thought congress made the budget all this time ).


The House of Representatives actually, but the last time I
checked, they controlled by, hmm, let's see, which party....

Maybe, the Druids?


Nah. The Druids had a lot more integrity than any of our
recent congresscritters. I have it on good authority that
not one of the Druids was a lawyer. Or knew one.


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"mikee" wrote in message
...
I hope Kerry gets the Democratic nomination. It will almost guarantee

Bush's
reelection.

Mike Eberlein


Mike, get your head out of the clouds. You must have seen that CNN/Gallup
poll that has Kerry ahead of Bush right now.

That doesn't tell us anything about what will happen in November. But it
should tell you that nothing is even close to "guaranteeing" Bush's
reelection. As it was in 2000, the basic split among the voters is pretty
close to 50-50.

It's really up for grabs. My interpretation of the polls and current events
is that the election will turn on how events actually roll out between now
and election time. If it's no better for Bush than it is right now, likely
he's toast.

However, it probably won't get a lot worse for him than it is now. My guess
is that the lack of WMD will blow over, that the spin machine at the White
House will hammer hard on the idea that it was all irrelevant, anyway, until
everybody forgets why we supposedly went to war in the first place.

And there has to be some pickup in employment by November. Last month's
productivity figures were low (2.4%). There's a good chance that means that
employers have squeezed all they can out of their employees. If we have even
modest growth in GDP, employment *ought* to start tracking the general
economic growth by then.

If so, that could be Bush's salvation. That's assuming no more surprises
crop up, of course.

Ed Huntress


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"Chris Johnson" wrote

I wouldn't trust anyone running to walk my dog.



Okay, but just remember that Mr. President George W. Bush, Commander in Chief of
the Armed Forces, Leader of the Free World, and Defender of the Faith-based
initiative, _is_ one of those who are running.

-- Tony P.


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Dale Scroggins
 
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Ed Huntress wrote:

"mikee" wrote in message
...

I hope Kerry gets the Democratic nomination. It will almost guarantee


Bush's

reelection.

Mike Eberlein



Mike, get your head out of the clouds. You must have seen that CNN/Gallup
poll that has Kerry ahead of Bush right now.

That doesn't tell us anything about what will happen in November. But it
should tell you that nothing is even close to "guaranteeing" Bush's
reelection. As it was in 2000, the basic split among the voters is pretty
close to 50-50.

It's really up for grabs. My interpretation of the polls and current events
is that the election will turn on how events actually roll out between now
and election time. If it's no better for Bush than it is right now, likely
he's toast.

However, it probably won't get a lot worse for him than it is now. My guess
is that the lack of WMD will blow over, that the spin machine at the White
House will hammer hard on the idea that it was all irrelevant, anyway, until
everybody forgets why we supposedly went to war in the first place.

And there has to be some pickup in employment by November. Last month's
productivity figures were low (2.4%). There's a good chance that means that
employers have squeezed all they can out of their employees. If we have even
modest growth in GDP, employment *ought* to start tracking the general
economic growth by then.

If so, that could be Bush's salvation. That's assuming no more surprises
crop up, of course.

Ed Huntress



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Ed Huntress wrote:

"mikee" wrote in message
...

I hope Kerry gets the Democratic nomination. It will almost guarantee


Bush's

reelection.

Mike Eberlein



Mike, get your head out of the clouds. You must have seen that CNN/Gallup
poll that has Kerry ahead of Bush right now.

snip
And there has to be some pickup in employment by November. Last month's
productivity figures were low (2.4%). There's a good chance that means that
employers have squeezed all they can out of their employees. If we have even
modest growth in GDP, employment *ought* to start tracking the general
economic growth by then.

If so, that could be Bush's salvation. That's assuming no more surprises
crop up, of course.

Ed Huntress


Both the Republicans and Democrats should be careful what they wish for
this election cycle. While the economy will most likely improve enough
this summer to help Bush's reelection chances, we could witness some
truly interesting times within the next decade.

How 'bout this for a possibility: Bush is reelected by a narrow margin,
has a truly disastrous second term on many fronts, resulting in the
near-destruction of the Republican party for a generation.

I suspect that, fifty years hence, the administrations of Reagan, Bush
I, and Clinton will be nearly forgotten. But this administration, if
extended by four years, will be viewed as marking a political watershed.

Dale Scroggins

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"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
. net...
"Gary H. Lucas" wrote in message
...

There are some correlations between polls and results on the Web. But

you
have to decide first what you're looking for. If the question is how
accurately do polls taken a month before an election predict the

election
results, the answer is, very poorly...because the poll studied

opinions
a
month before the election, not the morning of election day.

Polls are snapshots that reflect opinions at one instant in time.

That's
all.

Ed Huntress

I'd ban ALL political polling until the elections are over. Let

everyone
vote their own mind without being swayed by what some poll says others

are
doing.

Gary H. Lucas



Why are you worried about people being swayed by polls? If they can be
swayed by a poll, what else can they be swayed by?

I think the stink over polls is 'way off base. I don't know anyone who

votes
on the basis of polls. But I do know people who vote for stupid reasons.

Ed Huntress


It's not that they may vote based on the polls, it's that they may NOT vote
at all, becuse of them, especially with exit polling.

William.....





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Glenn Ashmore wrote in message news:PeZUb.36532$u_6.17927@lakeread04...

This afternoon I was attempting to solve a rather complex problem a
client in Chicago was having with his computer. I had narrowed it down
to a hardware problem so I called IBM support line. The first
dispatcher was in Manila, Philippines who handed me off to level 1 in
New Deli. After he decided that he could not handle hardware problems I
was sent to Ireland where, after a long conversation, I was sent to
Toronto and finally to someone who knew what he was doing in New York.
After I finally convinced him that it really was a hardware problem he
dispatched a repair man from the local IBM office, 3 floors down in the
same building as the client. The phone call only took 2 hours.

Until two years ago all but the last stage was in Atlanta and I knew
most of the personnel.




Hey TN ! This guy's wackier than me ! Well, maybe, anyway.
He has a "little" AS/400 in his sailboat ! That's about as
good as the myth about designing the Octane to fit thru a
submarine hatch ... AND guess what that means ? Heh heh heh
OS/2 Rules, Windos Drools !! :-)
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