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"rigger" wrote As I've never been on a bird hunt would you mind bringing me (and perhaps some others) up-to-speed on how it's supposed to work to insure safety? First, there is NO insurance that safety procedures will work. But, it works something like this: You hunt alone. If you choose to hunt with someone, it had damn better be with someone you have hunted with before and know what they will do IN EVERY SITUATION. You still have to have communication (radios) and a plan of when this happens we do this. When that happens we do that. You talk about it before you go out. You talk about it during the hunt. You talk about it after it is over. You are putting your life in someone else's hands. You talk about it. And, as in the case in our state, you either stay far apart enough not to be able to shoot the other person, or close enough so that you can hear the other person say, "He's yours" or he can hear you say "He's mine." As close as ten feet. Before that, however, you have decided that everything to the left of center is his, everything to the right of center is yours. If you DO hunt in a line, you have zones of fire. But, bottom line, you are betting that your buddy who has a gun in his hand is going to follow the rules and not screw up and cost you your life or at least your eyesight. Any time you are dicking around out there with things that can kill you, you have to have a plan, or you just don't go out. That is what happened to these Rubes. Hey! Let's go hunting! That sounds like fun! Doesn't sound to me like any of them had a clue, even though reports say they were "experienced" hunters, or had been hunting before. I know lots of guys who have "been hunting before" and I wouldn't go with them if my job depended on it. And some of them have been hunting for years. I have ONE person I go quail hunting with. I am asked again and again to go with people or to take people. I just make excuses because my health and safety are important to me. I'm funny like that. My buddy and I went six times this past year in Southern Nevada. I never even had one time that I heard shot fly by me, which is a common occurrence for most hunters. We got our **** down and together. And we use the Rino GPS systems. It all comes down to the hunter. They're the one who pulls the trigger. For one guy to run up on the shooters, and then another to shoot at an uncertain target, Holy Mary, pray for us. These people are in charge of our country. Steve |
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"Too_Many_Tools" wrote And without the proper game fees being paid, they were also poaching....no surprise when you consider the track record of this Administration thinking that they are above the laws that govern the rest of us mere mortals. Oh, puhleeze. Can we just stick to the subject and not wander off into "this Administration" crap? The holder of the gun is ALWAYS responsible for ALL damages, both financial and physical, caused by the firearm. So, is it tough being a genius? While I have no research to cite, in my own personal experiences many of those who support the use of guns also supposely support gun responsibility...that is until an incident occurs. It is telling to see those desparate to do damage control to make excuses, protray the victum at fault and attempt to deflect responsibility by referencing a decades old Democratic incident. I would think as an intelligent citizen you would see through this shame for what it is. Again, PUHLEEZE! Owning up to one's personal responsibility is a hallmark of ethical maturity...and is the minimum that the public should require from its elected leaders. I am confused. You make references to "this Administration", yet don't mention anything about Mary Jo Kopechne. Time to "walk the talk" boys and girls. Ayup. We all have toilet paper on our shoes. TMT |
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"Th' only news here is that th' DC press corps didn't have this one
handed to 'em on a silver platter while it was still hot, big ****in' deal. " "I'd hardly call that poaching. At least, not unless I was trying desperately hard to find an excuse to be a complete asshole. A clerical mixup, certainly. But poaching? Gimme a break. " "I am confused. You make references to "this Administration", yet don't mention anything about Mary Jo Kopechne. " Remember what I said about "excuses"? There seems to be plenty of them...better reexamine your priorities. Now it would seem that good old Dick forgot to tell his boss too....I guess shooting people isn't such a big detail. As for the possibility of alcohol usage, the unexplained delays we are seeing in this situation are an excellent way to buy time to let the alcohol level drop in one's blood stream. Alcohol would explain much in how did shooting happened. If I were his boss I would be asking why are we keeping him around....he's becoming a liability. TMT |
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"It all comes down to the hunter. They're the one who pulls the
trigger. For one guy to run up on the shooters, and then another to shoot at an uncertain target, Holy Mary, pray for us. These people are in charge of our country." I was thinking of this also. This "accident" gives the public an unique insight to how actual "intelligent" those who are running this country really are. When one reflects how anything this Administration had touched has turned into a disaster, it really is no surprise that someone got shot. We really need better people to run for public office. Then they need to do their job instead of "cutting brush" and "hunting" on your and my tax dollars. TMT |
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"Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message oups.com... "Th' only news here is that th' DC press corps didn't have this one handed to 'em on a silver platter while it was still hot, big ****in' deal. " "I'd hardly call that poaching. At least, not unless I was trying desperately hard to find an excuse to be a complete asshole. A clerical mixup, certainly. But poaching? Gimme a break. " "I am confused. You make references to "this Administration", yet don't mention anything about Mary Jo Kopechne. " Remember what I said about "excuses"? There seems to be plenty of them...better reexamine your priorities. Now it would seem that good old Dick forgot to tell his boss too....I guess shooting people isn't such a big detail. As for the possibility of alcohol usage, the unexplained delays we are seeing in this situation are an excellent way to buy time to let the alcohol level drop in one's blood stream. Alcohol would explain much in how did shooting happened. If I were his boss I would be asking why are we keeping him around....he's becoming a liability. TMT Hoo, Boy! You been scorin' some good "****" lately, huh? ;-) |
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I think this story is just getting started...
I would like to know who was paying for this hunting trip and who the other hunters were... Considering Congress is undergoing a corruption scandal, I would wager that the Executive branch has been doing some private dipping too. TMT |
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"That covers a lot of different scenarios. Was Cheney drunk? Was he
acting recklessly, with gross violations of safety standards? I want to have a mental picture of what happened. You might want that, but if you can't find the needed sources on the net for yourself, you don't have the capacity to form a mental image. " Ig, ignore those who use personal insults to try to detract you from the issue at hand. You are asking valid questions that many Americans want answered. Small minds default to insults when they can't defend their argument. One only needs to look at the continued low poll numbers for this Adminstration to see that the public is finally waking up to the fact that they elected ineffective people to the office who are harming this great country. Hopefully that will begin to change in 2006 with a further purge in 2008. Then Cheney can go hunting on his own time....and take George with him. TMT |
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wrote in message
... It was a ****in' accident fer cryin' out loud. **** happens. Actually, that happens quite frequently, I have some bird shot in my neck from a partner who accidently peppered me while we were pheasant hunting. The only people to whom it "happens quite frequently" are flaming assholes who shouldn't be allowed near a gun. And don't give us any stupid **** about it. I've been hunting for over 40 years, and I can spot the assholes in the field. -- Ed Huntress |
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"rigger" wrote in message
ups.com... Say Ed: As I've never been on a bird hunt would you mind bringing me (and perhaps some others) up-to-speed on how it's supposed to work to insure safety? If you have three hunters walking in line and one brings down a bird do the other two hunters just proceed forward? If they do proceed forward are they obligated to remember there was someone behind them? Yes, they're obliged to remember that someone is behind them. I doubt if we'll ever hear the truth about this accident, or whether it was a pile of bad luck or negligence, but the stories I've heard from Cheney's friends sound pretty fishy to me. I was discussing this with another long-experienced hunter today, this one from Pennsylvania, and we both concluded that something is out of whack. In my experience, and under my training to train for NRA Safe Hunters, the only way an accident like that can happen is if everyone makes a mistake. From what I'm hearing about the "protocols" used in southern Bobwhite quail hunting, someone can get shot if just ONE person makes a mistake. If that's their "protocol," then their protocol and their tradition sucks big time. In general, three hunters in a line, behind dogs flushing quail, requires paying close attention to the angles where you can swing to follow a bird. I've never heard of hunters swinging *behind* them as a matter of acceptable operating procedure -- especially when there are other people out there, including the dog handler, the SS people, and the owner of the land. I remember drawing those segments on a board, and the entire range for the line of hunters was 180 degrees, stopping at a line perpendicular to the hunters. That's the way I've always hunted. That's the way everyone I've ever known hunts -- at least, the ones I've seen with a gun. Bobwhites flush in all directions and you really have to pay attention when you're out there with other people. Where this lawyer actually was, and how far around Cheney swung to follow a bird, we may never know. But if the lawyer was behind that perpendicular line, and if those plantation hunters think it's OK to swing behind the line, then they're nuts. Don't be surprised, BTW, if they are a little nuts. I'd just like to throw in here I imagine the reason for the delay in reporting the incident was to assure themeless of the judge's condition. After all the dredging up of the Ted Kennedy thing on this topic I begin to wonder if they hadn't been considering the possibility of some type of cover-up if this had gone more sour for the VP. It might be interesting to know (although I'm sure we never will) who and how many in the gov. knew about this early on. Got to give the spin doctors time to work you know. The only reason to keep this quiet was to make sure all of the political bases were covered. My guess is that there was more buzzing going on between Washington and the hunt than a hive full of angry bees. -- Ed Huntress |
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"Gus" wrote in message
oups.com... Ed Huntress wrote: "Steve B" wrote in message news:g3SIf.39800$JT.5413@fed1read06... I won't mention any names, but some of them were even Democrats. Let's see if we can now deflect attention from the fact that our current veep, Vice President Strangelove, is probably the most bizarre freak we've had in that office in a generation. As a former NRA Safe Hunter instructor, an NRA- and NY State-certified rifle instructor, a hunter for 46 years, and a former DCM range officer, I have an opinion about hunting accidents that involve shooting somebody who is *behind* you. What's your opinion, Steve? FWIW, most of the time -- not always, but most of the time -- a guy who shoots somebody in a hunting accident is a boob and a ****-up. This sounds like one of those to me. They probably do their quail hunting a little differently down South but I don't think that shooting your hunting partner is part of the routine, is it? -- Ed Huntress As a former Marine pistol range instructor, I agree that Mr. Cheney shouldn't be using a weapon without additional hunter safety training. Oh, c'mon. That's one old dog. Don't count on him learning new tricks. It's the "Vice President Strangelove" and "bizarre freak" part that I don't get. When he spoke in that soft, reassuring voice about how the Iraqis are going to treat us as liberators, I thought I was listening to HAL in "2001." ("I'm sorry, Dave, but I can't do that." g) "Vice President Strangelove" is a quip from Maureen Dowd. She really loves the guy... If you watch Cheney in his interview performances, it's hard not to think of Peter Sellers in Dr. Strangelove, with his calm, reasonable demeanor, with his right hand popping up in a "Heil, Hitler" salute and Sellers having to beat the hand with his other hand to get it down. Under his low-key exterior, I'm just waiting for Cheney to snap. Maybe he'll jump the couch. Sounds like something out of a Michael Moore movie. GW I wouldn't know, I've never seen a Michael Moore movie. How many Michael Moore movies have you watched? -- Ed Huntress |
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"Ed Huntress" wrote The only reason to keep this quiet was to make sure all of the political bases were covered. My guess is that there was more buzzing going on between Washington and the hunt than a hive full of angry bees. I think your first idea is right. _Something_ needed to be covered up, and my guess is that it was something totally _unrelated_ to guns or booze. Like, maybe, the complete roster of the hunting party. I've heard of Chenney, his victim, and a former ambassador to Switzerland. Was someone else there? Maybe someone whose presence, if publicized, would be even _more_ politically embarassing than Deadeye Dick's rimshot? Your second notion may be right, too. But if the story _is_ as plain-vanilla as we've been told, it seems all too likely that Dick's delusions of adequacy simply outweighed his respect for the Constitutional pecking order. Cheney has always considered himself Dubya's minder, and a little hunting accident wasn't going to change that. -- TP |
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In article t,
Lew Hartswick wrote: [...] That covers a lot of different scenarios. Was Cheney drunk? Was he acting recklessly, with gross violations of safety standards? I want to have a mental picture of what happened. i Acording to ABC (is that liberal enough?) the guy shot had gone out in front to check or retrieve a bird, he was comming back toward Cheney with the sun at his back (in Cheneys eyes) when another covey flushed and Cheney took a shot at them. I use to hunt a lot and it sounds like it was at least half the other guys fault. He shouldnt have gone in front of the line to look for a bird. The sun in Cheneys eyes made it easier for the accident to happen. ...lew... I'm no hunter, but I had always assumed there was kind of an implied rule to not shoot unless you knew where your buddies were. Is it common practice for hunters to split up and continue hunting without knowing where the others are? -- B.B. --I am not a goat! thegoat4 at airmail dot net |
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On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 00:39:24 -0500, "tonyp"
wrote: snip I think your first idea is right. _Something_ needed to be covered up, and my guess is that it was something totally _unrelated_ to guns or booze. Like, maybe, the complete roster of the hunting party. I've heard of Chenney, his victim, and a former ambassador to Switzerland. Was someone else there? Maybe someone whose presence, if publicized, would be even _more_ politically embarassing than Deadeye Dick's rimshot? snip -- TP Now THAT's the kind of thinking I like! Let's see - Saudi Prince? Halliburton VP? French Ambassador? Iragi insider? Iranian turncoat? Israeli scientist? Watch out TonyP, they WILL be out to get you if you keep on seeing thru the smoke and mirrors like that. Karl P |
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k.pearson wrote:
On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 00:39:24 -0500, "tonyp" wrote: snip I think your first idea is right. _Something_ needed to be covered up, and my guess is that it was something totally _unrelated_ to guns or booze. Like, maybe, the complete roster of the hunting party. I've heard of Chenney, his victim, and a former ambassador to Switzerland. Was someone else there? Maybe someone whose presence, if publicized, would be even _more_ politically embarassing than Deadeye Dick's rimshot? snip -- TP Now THAT's the kind of thinking I like! Let's see - Saudi Prince? Halliburton VP? French Ambassador? Iragi insider? Iranian turncoat? Israeli scientist? The hunting party probably included a space alien from the mother ship. Do do do do.... Watch out TonyP, they WILL be out to get you if you keep on seeing thru the smoke and mirrors like that. Karl P |
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wrote: snip I think your first idea is right. _Something_ needed to be covered up, and my guess is that it was something totally _unrelated_ to guns or booze. I totally agree. Some very interesting concepts have been brought up by the press: That Cheney shot the lawyer to send a message go Scooter Libby that he better not squeal. That the lawyer has information about Roswell that he was going to leak. That Cheney was out of lawyer jokes, and had to do SOMETHING. That it was to draw the attention away from Iraq. That Cheney was suspecting an affair between the lawyer and Cheney's dog. Oh, there's a lot more. And there will be a lot more. Don't you love having a "press" that is interested in the facts of who, what, why, when and how instead of just sensationalism? I sure do. Steve |
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Richard Lamb wrote:
Ed Huntress wrote: "Richard Lamb" wrote in message hlink.net... None of those points are relevant. The single relevant concept here is "Hunter shot Buddy.". It doesn't matter in the least whether "Hunter" is Hunter shot Buddy? Gunner? Are you still with us? Ed! Why? I thought you guys were only debating! g I think of Gunner as a backstop, not as a target... -- Ed Huntress Yeah right! Let's see how this story plays out in 12 hours... bg Richard Ok, Mister, it has been several days and not a single peep from Gunner! In emergency session Congress has approved $12 million to investigate this incident. Come on, Ed. 'Fess up! Where's the body? bfg Richard |
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"Spehro Pefhany" wrote in message ... On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 08:51:52 -0800, the renowned "Steve B" wrote: wrote: snip I think your first idea is right. _Something_ needed to be covered up, and my guess is that it was something totally _unrelated_ to guns or booze. I totally agree. Some very interesting concepts have been brought up by the press: That Cheney shot the lawyer to send a message go Scooter Libby that he better not squeal. That the lawyer has information about Roswell that he was going to leak. That Cheney was out of lawyer jokes, and had to do SOMETHING. That it was to draw the attention away from Iraq. That Cheney was suspecting an affair between the lawyer and Cheney's dog. Oh, there's a lot more. And there will be a lot more. Don't you love having a "press" that is interested in the facts of who, what, why, when and how instead of just sensationalism? I sure do. Steve Are any of those concepts/jokes actually from the "press" ? I suspect the only press they own is a garlic press. Actually, two of them are from the "press". The others will be released when they wear out these two. This could go on for years. I hear there is a team that is now trying to prove the Republicans are implicated in the Jimmy Hoffa and Mary Jo Kopechne cases, and that they have been working on every other unsolved case trying to link them to the evil Republicans. Check The National Enquirer or Star to keep up to speed. Or just keep reading the "reports" here from the "reporters" here. Remember, if it's on Usenet, it HAS to be the truth! Otherwise, they wouldn't let it be printed. Just like TV news. Steve |
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On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 08:51:52 -0800, the renowned "Steve B"
wrote: wrote: snip I think your first idea is right. _Something_ needed to be covered up, and my guess is that it was something totally _unrelated_ to guns or booze. I totally agree. Some very interesting concepts have been brought up by the press: That Cheney shot the lawyer to send a message go Scooter Libby that he better not squeal. That the lawyer has information about Roswell that he was going to leak. That Cheney was out of lawyer jokes, and had to do SOMETHING. That it was to draw the attention away from Iraq. That Cheney was suspecting an affair between the lawyer and Cheney's dog. Oh, there's a lot more. And there will be a lot more. Don't you love having a "press" that is interested in the facts of who, what, why, when and how instead of just sensationalism? I sure do. Steve Are any of those concepts/jokes actually from the "press" ? I suspect the only press they own is a garlic press. |
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Steve B wrote: wrote: snip I think your first idea is right. _Something_ needed to be covered up, and my guess is that it was something totally _unrelated_ to guns or booze. I totally agree. Some very interesting concepts have been brought up by the press: That Cheney shot the lawyer to send a message go Scooter Libby that he better not squeal. That the lawyer has information about Roswell that he was going to leak. That Cheney was out of lawyer jokes, and had to do SOMETHING. All very funny but does anyone know if a regular (real) investigation was held? I'd especially be interested if they had argued before the shooting. Perhaps a little look into possible financial dealings between them? Etc.? I'm sure giving Cheney a pass on the quail stamp because he had a good excuse was justified because I'm sure this is the same treatment everyone gets. This same "excuse" theory won't (or shouldn't) hold up, however, in hindering the investigation of a shooting incident. IMHO dennis in nca dennis in nca That it was to draw the attention away from Iraq. That Cheney was suspecting an affair between the lawyer and Cheney's dog. Oh, there's a lot more. And there will be a lot more. Don't you love having a "press" that is interested in the facts of who, what, why, when and how instead of just sensationalism? I sure do. Steve |
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Richard Lamb wrote: Richard Lamb wrote: Ed Huntress wrote: "Richard Lamb" wrote in message hlink.net... None of those points are relevant. The single relevant concept here is "Hunter shot Buddy.". It doesn't matter in the least whether "Hunter" is Hunter shot Buddy? Gunner? Are you still with us? Ed! Why? I thought you guys were only debating! g I think of Gunner as a backstop, not as a target... I think he goes out to do his Mad Max thing during the week. dennis in nca -- Ed Huntress Yeah right! Let's see how this story plays out in 12 hours... bg Richard Ok, Mister, it has been several days and not a single peep from Gunner! In emergency session Congress has approved $12 million to investigate this incident. Come on, Ed. 'Fess up! Where's the body? bfg Richard |
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Steve B wrote:
snipped Actually, two of them are from the "press". The others will be released when they wear out these two. This could go on for years. I hear there is a team that is now trying to prove the Republicans are implicated in the Jimmy Hoffa and Mary Jo Kopechne cases, and that they have been working on every other unsolved case trying to link them to the evil Republicans. Check The National Enquirer or Star to keep up to speed. Or just keep reading the "reports" here from the "reporters" here. Remember, if it's on Usenet, it HAS to be the truth! Otherwise, they wouldn't let it be printed. Just like TV news. Steve Come on, Steve, let's not malign the National Enquirer! I still have hopes of having a secret love affair someday and reading all about it in the Enquirer. Richard |
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"Steve B" wrote Actually, two of them are from the "press". Which two? I hear there is a team that is now trying to prove the Republicans are implicated in the Jimmy Hoffa and Mary Jo Kopechne cases, and that they have been working on every other unsolved case trying to link them to the evil Republicans. You seem _very_ well informed. -- TP |
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"Richard Lamb" wrote in message
hlink.net... Richard Lamb wrote: Ed Huntress wrote: "Richard Lamb" wrote in message hlink.net... None of those points are relevant. The single relevant concept here is "Hunter shot Buddy.". It doesn't matter in the least whether "Hunter" is Hunter shot Buddy? Gunner? Are you still with us? Ed! Why? I thought you guys were only debating! g I think of Gunner as a backstop, not as a target... -- Ed Huntress Yeah right! Let's see how this story plays out in 12 hours... bg Richard Ok, Mister, it has been several days and not a single peep from Gunner! In emergency session Congress has approved $12 million to investigate this incident. Come on, Ed. 'Fess up! Where's the body? bfg Richard Hey, don't blame me. There's any number of people who might have done it. -- Ed Huntress |
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"Richard Lamb" wrote Come on, Steve, let's not malign the National Enquirer! I still have hopes of having a secret love affair someday and reading all about it in the Enquirer. Richard Actually, I find The Enquirer FAR more credible than CBS News. Steve |
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"Steve B" wrote in message
news:NRuJf.17799$MJ.5488@fed1read07... "Richard Lamb" wrote Come on, Steve, let's not malign the National Enquirer! I still have hopes of having a secret love affair someday and reading all about it in the Enquirer. Richard Actually, I find The Enquirer FAR more credible than CBS News. Steve Steve, that explains more than you may realize. d8-) -- Ed Huntress |
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"Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "Steve B" wrote in message news:NRuJf.17799$MJ.5488@fed1read07... "Richard Lamb" wrote Come on, Steve, let's not malign the National Enquirer! I still have hopes of having a secret love affair someday and reading all about it in the Enquirer. Richard Actually, I find The Enquirer FAR more credible than CBS News. Steve Steve, that explains more than you may realize. d8-) -- Ed Huntress Ed, you are just too deep for me. I don't have a clue what that means. Steve |
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"Steve B" wrote in message
news:XpwJf.17807$MJ.16342@fed1read07... "Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "Steve B" wrote in message news:NRuJf.17799$MJ.5488@fed1read07... "Richard Lamb" wrote Come on, Steve, let's not malign the National Enquirer! I still have hopes of having a secret love affair someday and reading all about it in the Enquirer. Richard Actually, I find The Enquirer FAR more credible than CBS News. Steve Steve, that explains more than you may realize. d8-) -- Ed Huntress Ed, you are just too deep for me. I don't have a clue what that means. Steve Yeah, I had a feeling that might be the case. -- Ed Huntress |
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"Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "Steve B" wrote in message news:XpwJf.17807$MJ.16342@fed1read07... "Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "Steve B" wrote in message news:NRuJf.17799$MJ.5488@fed1read07... "Richard Lamb" wrote Come on, Steve, let's not malign the National Enquirer! I still have hopes of having a secret love affair someday and reading all about it in the Enquirer. Richard Actually, I find The Enquirer FAR more credible than CBS News. Steve Steve, that explains more than you may realize. d8-) -- Ed Huntress Ed, you are just too deep for me. I don't have a clue what that means. Steve Yeah, I had a feeling that might be the case. -- Ed Huntress Yet you hang on my every word. You follow me like a shadow. You reply every time I post. What's up with that? And, you talk in a code that only you understand. Do you always babble to yourself like this? Perhaps if you write complete sentences and thoughts, you might allow someone else into the conversation. But I doubt it. You have no desire for discourse, but only to hear your own irrational pompous thoughts. You apparently think that you are somehow superior to the unwashed rabble here. So superior that you refuse to even clarify your ambiguous spew. Rave on, Ed. plonk Steve |
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Cheneys hunting buddy has a heart attack
"Steve B" wrote in message
news:YEwJf.17808$MJ.119@fed1read07... "Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "Steve B" wrote in message news:XpwJf.17807$MJ.16342@fed1read07... "Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "Steve B" wrote in message news:NRuJf.17799$MJ.5488@fed1read07... "Richard Lamb" wrote Come on, Steve, let's not malign the National Enquirer! I still have hopes of having a secret love affair someday and reading all about it in the Enquirer. Richard Actually, I find The Enquirer FAR more credible than CBS News. Steve Steve, that explains more than you may realize. d8-) -- Ed Huntress Ed, you are just too deep for me. I don't have a clue what that means. Steve Yeah, I had a feeling that might be the case. -- Ed Huntress Yet you hang on my every word. Eh, I think they hang pretty well on their own -- from lamp posts, mostly. d8-) You follow me like a shadow. Don't flatter yourself. You keep showing up in the middle of threads, like a road apple. I have to watch where I step to avoid you. You reply every time I post. Only when you post something that's a sweeping or gratuitous insult. Then it's worth sticking something sharp in there, to let out some of the gas. As it happens, that's more than half of your posts. What's up with that? See above. And, you talk in a code that only you understand. Do you always babble to yourself like this? Perhaps if you write complete sentences and thoughts, you might allow someone else into the conversation. I'm sure that 90% of the people here understand perfectly well what I mean. The other 10% tend to be lost in the labyrinths of their own imaginations. But I doubt it. You have no desire for discourse, but only to hear your own irrational pompous thoughts. You apparently think that you are somehow superior to the unwashed rabble here. So superior that you refuse to even clarify your ambiguous spew. There is a small group of all-purpose malcontents here, with foul attitudes and foul mouths, who tend to be abusive to people and then to accuse others of abuse when a small amount of it is reflected back upon them. They tend to dish it out in a big way but to have very thin skins... plonk ....like that. -- Ed Huntress |
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John R. Carroll wrote:
Ed Huntress wrote: "Steve B" wrote in message news:YEwJf.17808$MJ.119@fed1read07... "Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "Steve B" wrote in message news:XpwJf.17807$MJ.16342@fed1read07... "Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "Steve B" wrote in message news:NRuJf.17799$MJ.5488@fed1read07... "Richard Lamb" wrote plonk ...like that. LOL 8-) HEY! What what-the-heck did I do? Or did the latest issue of Enquirer mention me? Richard |
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Richard Lamb wrote:
John R. Carroll wrote: Ed Huntress wrote: "Steve B" wrote in message news:YEwJf.17808$MJ.119@fed1read07... "Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "Steve B" wrote in message news:XpwJf.17807$MJ.16342@fed1read07... "Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "Steve B" wrote in message news:NRuJf.17799$MJ.5488@fed1read07... "Richard Lamb" wrote plonk ...like that. LOL 8-) HEY! What what-the-heck did I do? Or did the latest issue of Enquirer mention me? Unless you are Brittney Spears they didn't :) You aren't are you? LOL I was responding to Ed's reply to Steve so the answer to your question is - nothing. Unless your Brittney. -- John R. Carroll Machining Solution Software, Inc. Los Angeles San Francisco www.machiningsolution.com |
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John R. Carroll wrote:
Richard Lamb wrote: John R. Carroll wrote: Ed Huntress wrote: "Steve B" wrote in message news:YEwJf.17808$MJ.119@fed1read07... "Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "Steve B" wrote in message news:XpwJf.17807$MJ.16342@fed1read07... "Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "Steve B" wrote in message news:NRuJf.17799$MJ.5488@fed1read07... "Richard Lamb" wrote plonk ...like that. LOL 8-) HEY! What what-the-heck did I do? Or did the latest issue of Enquirer mention me? Unless you are Brittney Spears they didn't :) You aren't are you? LOL I was responding to Ed's reply to Steve so the answer to your question is - nothing. Unless your Brittney. Not MY Brittney. Not my type. I'm holding out for someone who can carry on a conversation... Richard "I know we have to talk afterwards, so I'm looking for a woman who gives good "mind", if you know what I mean". Robin Williams |
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"Richard Lamb" wrote HEY! What what-the-heck did I do? Or did the latest issue of Enquirer mention me? Richard I think that I'd rather be in the Enquirer than on the cover of The Rolling Stone. Steve |
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On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 02:44:53 GMT, Richard Lamb
wrote: None of those points are relevant. The single relevant concept here is "Hunter shot Buddy.". It doesn't matter in the least whether "Hunter" is Hunter shot Buddy? Gunner? Are you still with us? Chuckle..If I had been the shooter..there would be no wounded individual. Ed! Why? I thought you guys were only debating! "A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences." - Proverbs 22:3 |
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On 15 Feb 2006 14:15:42 GMT, Ignoramus7443
wrote: On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 23:34:27 -0600, Andy Asberry wrote: On 14 Feb 2006 21:52:31 GMT, Ignoramus21707 wrote: Can anyone explain just what happened. Who was where, who arrived when, who drank what before, who was wearing what color clothes, etc. Was it an "accidental discharge", or was Cheney intending to shoot where he shot. i This is what I've read in two newspaper articles and on the net. There were 3 hunters plus the land owner, who was not hunting, in the hunting party. (Plus, I assume, numerous Secret Service agents and the ambulance attendants that were said to be standing by due to Cheney's health problems.) According to the land owner, Whittington had shot a bird and had gone into some tall grass to retrieve it. He was rejoining the others who had gone on ahead. At this time, another covey flushed and Cheney was swinging on a bird that flew to his rear. The bird was in line with Whittington as Cheney fired. He was hit in the cheek, neck and chest. A preliminary sheriff's report stated that neither drugs nor alcohol were a factor. All of the hunters were wearing orange vests. The distance from Cheney to Whittington was 30 yards. Cheney had a non-resident Texas hunting license but did not have the Upland Game Bird Stamp. He was issued a citation and bought the $7.00 stamp. I've been peppered with birdshot before. It stings but only once did it penetrate the skin. And I realize the skin of a 78 year old is much thinner. I set out to find some information on shotgun ballistics. Remember that with birdshot, smaller pellets have higher numbers. Number 6 shot is twice the weight of number 8 shot. Typical shot sizes for quail are 7 1/2, 8 and 9. I picked number 8 for my research because it is the middle size. Most of the info came from gunshot forensic sites. Number 6 was the smallest size pellet listed. An individual pellet has a muzzle energy of 3 ft/lbs. It will penetrate ballistic gelatin (equivalent to human flesh) 4 to 6 inches at a range of 5 yards. Since a number 8 is half the weight of number 6, it would have 1.5 ft/lbs of energy. What I could not find was the velocity at 30 yards. The muzzle velocity is about 1200 ft/sec. The drag coefficient of a sphere at this speed is about 1.27. Maybe someone can calculate the downrange speed and therefore the remaining energy at 30 yards. I did find some state wildlife statistics that said only 42% of birds would be hit and only 10% of birds HIT at that range would die. Depending on the choke of Cheney's gun, up to 187 pellets could be expected to hit in a 30 inch circle at 30 yards. That jives with the doctor's estimate of 200 hitting Whittington. Probably less because no man can cover a 30 inch circle with his body. Thanks Andy. I am very confused. How can birdshot, at a distance of 30 yards, penetrate Whittington so deeply. It does not make sense to me. My shotgun experience is very limited, as I rarely shoot my shotgun and usually shoot rifles. i Deeply? Id be terribly surprised if there was .5" penetration on direct impact with skin at 30 yrds. Gunner "A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences." - Proverbs 22:3 |
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On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 17:36:19 -0800, "Steve B"
wrote: "Richard Lamb" wrote Come on, Steve, let's not malign the National Enquirer! I still have hopes of having a secret love affair someday and reading all about it in the Enquirer. Richard Actually, I find The Enquirer FAR more credible than CBS News. Steve Actually..a number of studies have show the Enquirer to be MUCH more accurate than any of the major Media..CBS etc Gunner "A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences." - Proverbs 22:3 |
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Richard Lamb wrote:
John R. Carroll wrote: Richard Lamb wrote: John R. Carroll wrote: Ed Huntress wrote: "Steve B" wrote in message news:YEwJf.17808$MJ.119@fed1read07... "Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "Steve B" wrote in message news:XpwJf.17807$MJ.16342@fed1read07... "Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "Steve B" wrote in message news:NRuJf.17799$MJ.5488@fed1read07... "Richard Lamb" wrote plonk ...like that. LOL 8-) HEY! What what-the-heck did I do? Or did the latest issue of Enquirer mention me? Unless you are Brittney Spears they didn't :) You aren't are you? LOL I was responding to Ed's reply to Steve so the answer to your question is - nothing. Unless your Brittney. Not MY Brittney. Not my type. I'm holding out for someone who can carry on a conversation... I know what you mean. She's got nothin' on you're average door knob. It only takes one thing to entertain 15 year old boys though and that ain't brains. -- John R. Carroll Machining Solution Software, Inc. Los Angeles San Francisco www.machiningsolution.com |
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Steve B wrote:
Come on, Steve, let's not malign the National Enquirer! I still have hopes of having a secret love affair someday and reading all about it in the Enquirer. Richard Actually, I find The Enquirer FAR more credible than CBS News. Steve Steve, that explains more than you may realize. d8-) Ed Huntress Ed, you are just too deep for me. I don't have a clue what that means. Steve Yeah, I had a feeling that might be the case. - Ed Huntress Yet you hang on my every word. You follow me like a shadow. You reply every time I post. What's up with that? And, you talk in a code that only you understand. Do you always babble to yourself like this? Perhaps if you write complete sentences and thoughts, you might allow someone else into the conversation. Rave on, Ed. plonk Steve I think most of the readers understand what Ed is trying to tell you. :-) ...lew... |
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Gunner wrote:
On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 02:44:53 GMT, Richard Lamb wrote: None of those points are relevant. The single relevant concept here is "Hunter shot Buddy.". It doesn't matter in the least whether "Hunter" is Hunter shot Buddy? Gunner? Are you still with us? Chuckle..If I had been the shooter..there would be no wounded individual. Ed! Why? I thought you guys were only debating! Well, I guess I'm glad to see ya back and ok. But it ruins my neat little conspiracy theory... |
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"Lew Hartswick" wrote in message k.net... Steve B wrote: Come on, Steve, let's not malign the National Enquirer! I still have hopes of having a secret love affair someday and reading all about it in the Enquirer. Richard Actually, I find The Enquirer FAR more credible than CBS News. Steve Steve, that explains more than you may realize. d8-) Ed Huntress Ed, you are just too deep for me. I don't have a clue what that means. Steve Yeah, I had a feeling that might be the case. - Ed Huntress Yet you hang on my every word. You follow me like a shadow. You reply every time I post. What's up with that? And, you talk in a code that only you understand. Do you always babble to yourself like this? Perhaps if you write complete sentences and thoughts, you might allow someone else into the conversation. Rave on, Ed. plonk Steve I think most of the readers understand what Ed is trying to tell you. :-) ...lew... That's a good thing. I find Ed to be a boorish pseudointellectual. Steve |
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