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Laugh laugh laugh. You Libs are sooooo predictable. Gunner "This device is provided without warranty of any kind as to reliability, accuracy, existence or otherwise or fitness for any particular purpose and Bioalchemic Products specifically does not warrant, guarantee, imply or make any representations as to its merchantability for any particular purpose and furthermore shall have no liability for or responsibility to you or any other person, entity or deity with respect to any loss or damage whatsoever caused by this device or object or by any attempts to destroy it by hammering it against a wall or dropping it into a deep well or any other means whatsoever and moreover asserts that you indicate your acceptance of this agreement or any other agreement that may he substituted at any time by coming within five miles of the product or observing it through large telescopes or by any other means because you are such an easily cowed moron who will happily accept arrogant and unilateral conditions on a piece of highly priced garbage that you would not dream of accepting on a bag of dog biscuits and is used solely at your own risk.' |
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Immigration is our second original sin after slavery. The whole concept of
pretending to control border crossings is a total joke. America wants the cheap labor, just like we did in the days of slavery, but has yet to come up with a workable protocol. I think we should just open the borders and document anyone that wants to come here but stipulate that there is no free lunch, they must work and learn English, In return for contributing to our society they can enjoy the benefits. I'm not an advocate of set minimum wages but I don't like people being taken advantage of because of situation. Somewhere in the past, my ancestors came here for opportunity not oppression. Why can't our government go back to fostering our creation of real wealth within our borders? The deindustrialization of our country is just the start, this situation is unsustainable. I often think that this whole industrial revolution thing was a big mistake! "Gunner" wrote in message ... http://www.washtimes.com/national/20...2045-1558r.htm Laugh laugh laugh. You Libs are sooooo predictable. Gunner "This device is provided without warranty of any kind as to reliability, accuracy, existence or otherwise or fitness for any particular purpose and Bioalchemic Products specifically does not warrant, guarantee, imply or make any representations as to its merchantability for any particular purpose and furthermore shall have no liability for or responsibility to you or any other person, entity or deity with respect to any loss or damage whatsoever caused by this device or object or by any attempts to destroy it by hammering it against a wall or dropping it into a deep well or any other means whatsoever and moreover asserts that you indicate your acceptance of this agreement or any other agreement that may he substituted at any time by coming within five miles of the product or observing it through large telescopes or by any other means because you are such an easily cowed moron who will happily accept arrogant and unilateral conditions on a piece of highly priced garbage that you would not dream of accepting on a bag of dog biscuits and is used solely at your own risk.' |
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Tom Gardner wrote:
Immigration is our second original sin after slavery. The whole concept of pretending to control border crossings is a total joke... Immigration can be controlled to a much greater degree by enforcing existing laws. Meaningful fines for any employer who allows an illegal alien on a job site would be a good start. America wants the cheap labor, just like we did in the days of slavery, but has yet to come up with a workable protocol... I don't know that America wants or needs "cheap labor", but those business that pay bottom wages for unskilled labor - especially construction, agribusiness and restaurants/hotels are addicted to the concept. I think we should just open the borders and document anyone that wants to come here but stipulate that there is no free lunch, they must work... Any job an illegal alien holds is a job lost to an American citizen. The standard argument presented by big business is that Americans won't do the jobs done by illegal aliens, but such arguments are transparently self serving and laughably specious. and learn English... No puede hablar la lengua de la raza? In return for contributing to our society they can enjoy the benefits. Illegal aliens already enjoy many of the benefits of our society, including free emergency medical care and free education as well as many of the rights of the citizenry. I'm not an advocate of set minimum wages but I don't like people being taken advantage of because of situation... The situation is that illegal aliens work for substandard wages doing jobs that could be done by American citizens. As I see it, if an employer can't make a profit hiring American labor, he's in the wrong business. Somewhere in the past, my ancestors came here for opportunity not oppression... Opportunity is where you find it, but the field ain't level if some folks are playing by the rules while others are flaunting the rules. Why can't our government go back to fostering our creation of real wealth within our borders?... We can't create wealth because we don't make stuff anymore. Corporate greed and the willingness or our political leaders from both sides of the aisle to suck up to stateless multinationals will be our undoing. The deindustrialization of our country is just the start, this situation is unsustainable. I often think that this whole industrial revolution thing was a big mistake!... We can certainly agree that sending industry and jobs offshore is a big mistake! It will enrich big business in the short term and devastate us blue collar types in the long run. -- Tom Stovall, CJF Farrier & Blacksmith http://www.katyforge.com "I ride a big blue roan, I carry all I own, In the pouches of my saddlebag, with my bedroll tied behind..." Mary McCaslin, "Prairie in the Sky" |
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In article , Gunner
writes: http://www.washtimes.com/national/20...2045-1558r.htm Laugh laugh laugh. You Libs are sooooo predictable. ?? Been done many times before IIRC. But YOU like the new "legalized slavery" method ... -- Cliff |
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In article , Tom Stovall writes:
Illegal aliens already enjoy many of the benefits of our society, including free emergency medical care and free education as well as many of the rights of the citizenry. Do they pay the same taxes? Do their employers? -- Cliff |
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Cliff Huprich wrote:
Illegal aliens already enjoy many of the benefits of our society, including free emergency medical care and free education as well as many of the rights of the citizenry. Do they pay the same taxes? Nossir. Illegal aliens have to pay sales tax on goods and services they buy in this country, but they don't pay ANY income tax when they're paid in cash by their employer - and many are. Do their employers? When an employer pays an illegal alien in cash, there's no withholding of any kind - it's off the books. If an employer pays by check, and they meet the criteria, illegal aliens are kept on the books as "independent contractors." Outsourcing is an extremely common practice: Instead of hiring American workers, a company will hire a another company employing illegal aliens to perform certain tasks. When they're caught doing this - as was Wal-Mart - an outfit can sanctimoniously disclaim any knowledge of the hiring of illegal aliens. An employer must do some creative accounting if he keeps an illegal alien on the books as a regular employee because illegal aliens are ineligible for social security. An illegal alien can't get a bank account because he has no social security card; so if he's paid by check, he has to cash his paycheck someplace in order to send money home. It ain't by accident that check cashing and money order ripoffs abound in the barrios. -- Tom Stovall, CJF Farrier & Blacksmith http://www.katyforge.com En boca cerrada no entran moscas. |
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On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 14:38:36 -0600, Tom Stovall
wrote: An illegal alien can't get a bank account because he has no social security card; so if he's paid by check, You don't need a SS number to open a bank account. Mike |
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"Santa Cruz Mike" wrote in message ... On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 14:38:36 -0600, Tom Stovall wrote: An illegal alien can't get a bank account because he has no social security card; so if he's paid by check, You don't need a SS number to open a bank account. Mike yes you do and you need 2 id's, at least one with a photo and you have to be over 18 to get one at Commerce Bank |
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On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 20:10:34 -0500, "Kathy"
wrote: "Santa Cruz Mike" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 14:38:36 -0600, Tom Stovall wrote: An illegal alien can't get a bank account because he has no social security card; so if he's paid by check, You don't need a SS number to open a bank account. Mike yes you do and you need 2 id's, at least one with a photo and you have to be over 18 to get one at Commerce Bank At Wells Fargo in Santa Cruz you need only two ids to open an account. One must have a picture... a long list of other agreements, etc are acceptable.. no SS needed... Depending on if you are white or other.. there is a bery broad range of acceptable ids to use. A business account requires a DBA, business liscense.. Tax Id number of some kind.... MRAs requere Tax Id number, SS number to send info to IRS. Many ask for SS numbers.. they don't require them. It is just an easy way to identify you. Later, Mike |
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Santa Cruz Mike wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 14:38:36 -0600, Tom Stovall wrote: An illegal alien can't get a bank account because he has no social security card; so if he's paid by check, You don't need a SS number to open a bank account. It may be just a Texas thing, but a social security number is required to open an account at any Texas bank. -- Tom Stovall, CJF Farrier & Blacksmith http://www.katyforge.com "I ride a big blue roan, I carry all I own, In the pouches of my saddlebag, with my bedroll tied behind..." Mary McCaslin, "Prairie in the Sky" |
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On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 14:38:36 -0600, Tom Stovall
wrote: Cliff Huprich wrote: Illegal aliens already enjoy many of the benefits of our society, including free emergency medical care and free education as well as many of the rights of the citizenry. Do they pay the same taxes? Nossir. Illegal aliens have to pay sales tax on goods and services they buy in this country, but they don't pay ANY income tax when they're paid in cash by their employer - and many are. Do their employers? When an employer pays an illegal alien in cash, there's no withholding of any kind - it's off the books. If an employer pays by check, and they meet the criteria, illegal aliens are kept on the books as "independent contractors." I can't speak for any area other than my own - San Joaquin Valley, CA - but most of the illegals around here work for labor contractors who *do* take out taxes based on fake SSN's. In my job I see the check stubs. Since these taxes are paid with fake SSN's the illegals do not get refunds as they don't file for them. Now, I can't say as to whether the labor contractors always send the money to the IRS. My daughter works in a large restaurant with about 50 illegals. Every one of them has a fake SSN, taxes are taken out and no refund is filed for. A couple of years ago there was an article in the SF Chronicle about all the money the IRS has collected that is associated with fake #'s. I can't remember the amount but it was millions. Sue Outsourcing is an extremely common practice: Instead of hiring American workers, a company will hire a another company employing illegal aliens to perform certain tasks. When they're caught doing this - as was Wal-Mart - an outfit can sanctimoniously disclaim any knowledge of the hiring of illegal aliens. An employer must do some creative accounting if he keeps an illegal alien on the books as a regular employee because illegal aliens are ineligible for social security. An illegal alien can't get a bank account because he has no social security card; As I said above most have fake cards. Some even use legitimate numbers. When my daughter was 8 years old I got a SS report on her #. She was working for a van and storage company in Porterville, CA. In my job we get a new hire list for the state. Often my clients show up on the list "working" at jobs under hispanic names in towns and cities far removed from this area. Sue |
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Tom Stovall wrote:
Santa Cruz Mike wrote: On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 14:38:36 -0600, Tom Stovall wrote: An illegal alien can't get a bank account because he has no social security card; so if he's paid by check, You don't need a SS number to open a bank account. It may be just a Texas thing, but a social security number is required to open an account at any Texas bank. I think it is a matter of taxes. If the bank pays 0.000001% it amounts to something and must be reported. In Ca., taxes are so common, and non-green card types are also - all was forgotten... Martin -- Martin Eastburn, Barbara Eastburn @ home at Lion's Lair with our computer NRA LOH, NRA Life NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder |
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On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 00:16:07 GMT, Santa Cruz Mike wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 14:38:36 -0600, Tom Stovall wrote: An illegal alien can't get a bank account because he has no social security card; so if he's paid by check, You don't need a SS number to open a bank account. True. But the federal banking laws now require a taxpayer ID number on *every* bank account. In nearly all cases, for individuals, that's a SS number. You *can* get the IRS to issue you a taxpayer ID number different from your Social Security number, but you have to prove who you are to *them* to get it. One of the forms of identification they want is your SS number. Gary |
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Tom Stovall wrote:
An illegal alien can't get a bank account because he has no social security card; so if he's paid by check, he has to cash his paycheck someplace in order to send money home. It ain't by accident that check cashing and money order ripoffs abound in the barrios. Tom, With these new ID cards that the Mexican embassy issues illegal aliens can open bank accounts. -- Regards, Steve Saling aka The Garlic Dude Gilroy, CA The Garlic Capital of The World http://www.pulsareng.com/ |
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On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 04:55:05 -0800, Garlicdude
wrote: Tom Stovall wrote: An illegal alien can't get a bank account because he has no social security card; so if he's paid by check, he has to cash his paycheck someplace in order to send money home. It ain't by accident that check cashing and money order ripoffs abound in the barrios. Tom, With these new ID cards that the Mexican embassy issues illegal aliens can open bank accounts. A hint for those of devious mindsets..even a gringo can get a Consular Matricula card if you are willing to present a hundred or so dollars along with your application. And of course you were born in Mexico, but raised in the US by illegal parents, so you have no accent. Which of couse does present some interesting opportunities. Gunner Liberals - Cosmopolitan critics, men who are the friends of every country save their own. Benjamin Disraeli |
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I read in yesterday's paper that the Consular Matricula card will no longer
be accepted as a form of ID for obtaining driver's liscence in North Carolina, starting Monday morning. The DMV has been SWAMPED the last week or so with immigrants trying to beat the deadline. The farmers around here are using a lot of Mexican labor. 15 passenger vans are very popular, since apparently only about one in that number has a liscence. Grocery store owners grin when they see them pull up out front. RJ "Gunner" wrote in message ... On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 04:55:05 -0800, Garlicdude wrote: Tom Stovall wrote: An illegal alien can't get a bank account because he has no social security card; so if he's paid by check, he has to cash his paycheck someplace in order to send money home. It ain't by accident that check cashing and money order ripoffs abound in the barrios. Tom, With these new ID cards that the Mexican embassy issues illegal aliens can open bank accounts. A hint for those of devious mindsets..even a gringo can get a Consular Matricula card if you are willing to present a hundred or so dollars along with your application. And of course you were born in Mexico, but raised in the US by illegal parents, so you have no accent. Which of couse does present some interesting opportunities. Gunner Liberals - Cosmopolitan critics, men who are the friends of every country save their own. Benjamin Disraeli |
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On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 09:07:07 GMT, strabo wrote:
On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 06:01:42 GMT, "Martin H. Eastburn" It may be just a Texas thing, but a social security number is required to open an account at any Texas bank. I think it is a matter of taxes. If the bank pays 0.000001% it amounts to something and must be reported. Then tell 'em you want a non-interest bearing account. That won't exempt you anymore. One of the new provisions of the banking laws, designed to catch money laundering, requires every bank account to have a taxpayer ID number. For individuals, that's almost always their SS number, though they can apply to the IRS for a different number. The latter requires them to prove their identity to the IRS, which amounts to the same problem for illegals. Of course illegals routinely trade in counterfeit IDs. But it does add a level of extra risk for them if they have to deal with a bank or the IRS using fake documents. Gary |
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In article , Gary Coffman says...
That won't exempt you anymore. One of the new provisions of the banking laws, designed to catch money laundering, requires every bank account to have a taxpayer ID number. For individuals, that's almost always their SS number, though they can apply to the IRS for a different number. Then how do they deal with corporate accounts, do they either require an individual to be responsible for the account, or do they assign a taxpayer number to the corporation? Jim ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at yktvmv (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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On 1 Feb 2004 09:57:49 -0800, the renowned jim rozen
wrote: In article , Gary Coffman says... That won't exempt you anymore. One of the new provisions of the banking laws, designed to catch money laundering, requires every bank account to have a taxpayer ID number. For individuals, that's almost always their SS number, though they can apply to the IRS for a different number. Then how do they deal with corporate accounts, do they either require an individual to be responsible for the account, or do they assign a taxpayer number to the corporation? Probably banking resolutions, with corporate seal and signed by an officer. And the corporate tax ID number. BTW, you don't have to be a citizen or even a resident to get an individual US taxpayer ID number AFAIUI. It can be an advantage to have one, even if it's not required, depending on complicated tax-treaty stuff. Best regards, Spehro Pefhany -- "it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward" Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com |
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On 1 Feb 2004 09:57:49 -0800, jim rozen wrote:
In article , Gary Coffman says... That won't exempt you anymore. One of the new provisions of the banking laws, designed to catch money laundering, requires every bank account to have a taxpayer ID number. For individuals, that's almost always their SS number, though they can apply to the IRS for a different number. Then how do they deal with corporate accounts, do they either require an individual to be responsible for the account, or do they assign a taxpayer number to the corporation? Corporations are assigned taxpayer ID numbers by the IRS. (Well, ordinary corporations are, subchapter S corps can use an individual's taxpayer ID.) Gary |
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A city wide blackout at Sun, 01 Feb 2004 05:52:44 GMT did not prevent Gunner
from posting to rec.crafts.metalworking the following: On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 04:55:05 -0800, Garlicdude wrote: Tom Stovall wrote: An illegal alien can't get a bank account because he has no social security card; so if he's paid by check, he has to cash his paycheck someplace in order to send money home. It ain't by accident that check cashing and money order ripoffs abound in the barrios. Tom, With these new ID cards that the Mexican embassy issues illegal aliens can open bank accounts. A hint for those of devious mindsets..even a gringo can get a Consular Matricula card if you are willing to present a hundred or so dollars along with your application. And of course you were born in Mexico, but raised in the US by illegal parents, so you have no accent. Can I use my "real" name, or should I "Hispanizise" it? Of course, once you have Driver's License issued to illegals (using fake or real ID), that makes all the other state driver's License suspect. I mean I first get the matricular card, then a driver's license from the nearest state accepting them as ID, and it doesn't mater if another state doesn't accept the faked ID card. Which means the DL for State 2 is just as suspect as those from State A (which covers about 2/3rds of the country, last I heard.) Which of couse does present some interesting opportunities. Yep. Not good ones, but ... hmmm. Now I don't have to get a birth certificate from a graveyard ... see yah. -- pyotr filipivich. as an explaination for the decline in the US's tech edge, James Niccol wrote "It used to be that the USA was pretty good at producing stuff teenaged boys could lose a finger or two playing with." |
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On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 03:09:19 GMT, pyotr filipivich
wrote: A city wide blackout at Sun, 01 Feb 2004 05:52:44 GMT did not prevent Gunner from posting to rec.crafts.metalworking the following: On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 04:55:05 -0800, Garlicdude wrote: Tom Stovall wrote: An illegal alien can't get a bank account because he has no social security card; so if he's paid by check, he has to cash his paycheck someplace in order to send money home. It ain't by accident that check cashing and money order ripoffs abound in the barrios. Tom, With these new ID cards that the Mexican embassy issues illegal aliens can open bank accounts. A hint for those of devious mindsets..even a gringo can get a Consular Matricula card if you are willing to present a hundred or so dollars along with your application. And of course you were born in Mexico, but raised in the US by illegal parents, so you have no accent. Can I use my "real" name, or should I "Hispanizise" it? Of course, once you have Driver's License issued to illegals (using fake or real ID), that makes all the other state driver's License suspect. I mean I first get the matricular card, then a driver's license from the nearest state accepting them as ID, and it doesn't mater if another state doesn't accept the faked ID card. Which means the DL for State 2 is just as suspect as those from State A (which covers about 2/3rds of the country, last I heard.) Which of couse does present some interesting opportunities. Yep. Not good ones, but ... hmmm. Now I don't have to get a birth certificate from a graveyard ... Correct. Its getting harder and harder to find one of those blown away deserted small town graveyards that havent had the country or state computerize their old death records. However, if one did this years ago.... or found one where the court house burned... There are a goodly number of people who have come from the same 3-4 small towns over the years..... see yah. Gunner Liberals - Cosmopolitan critics, men who are the friends of every country save their own. Benjamin Disraeli |
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Aliens sneak, sneak, sneak in the USA.
George said, "Stop sneaking and pay taxes!" See Nancy bitch at George. -- A society that teaches evolution as fact will breed a generation of atheists that will destroy the society. It is Darwinian. |
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Clark Magnuson wrote:
A society that teaches evolution as fact will breed a generation of atheists that will destroy the society. It is Darwinian. LOL... Do you claim it's better to teach the lies, oppression and bigotry of ancient ignorant middle eastern christian superstitions, as fact? Gary & Harvey (the one & only "TRUE" GOD) |
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Gary wrote:
Clark Magnuson wrote: A society that teaches evolution as fact will breed a generation of atheists that will destroy the society. It is Darwinian. LOL... Do you claim it's better to teach the lies, oppression and bigotry of ancient ignorant middle eastern christian superstitions, as fact? Its worse than that: http://www.adequacy.org/public/stori...01633.381.html "Rest assured that I am not about to embark on a "here's lots of scientific reasons why creationists are wrong" crusade here. This has been done to death, and I don't intend to reinvent the wheel. Instead, I would like to spend a few minutes examining the dark underbelly of creationism, which is a movement that is so foul and odious that one struggles to find the words to most aptly describe it." |
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Gary wrote: Clark Magnuson wrote: A society that teaches evolution as fact will breed a generation of atheists that will destroy the society. It is Darwinian. LOL... Do you claim it's better to teach the lies, oppression and bigotry of ancient ignorant middle eastern christian superstitions, as fact? Gary & Harvey (the one & only "TRUE" GOD) What I claim is that the family is the place for children to get values and beliefs. If we must socialize the cost of school, let them teach useful skills and stay off the family's turf. No one seems to want to live in societies where the state makes moves on the family, despite how easy it is to sell the idea. -- A society that teaches evolution as fact will breed a generation of atheists that will destroy the society. It is Darwinian. |
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Guido wrote: Gary wrote: Clark Magnuson wrote: "Rest assured that I am not about to embark on a "here's lots of scientific reasons why creationists are wrong" crusade here. This has been done to death, and I don't intend to reinvent the wheel. Instead, I would like to spend a few minutes examining the dark underbelly of creationism, which is a movement that is so foul and odious that one struggles to find the words to most aptly describe it." The pubic school is no place for the discussion of creationism vs evolution. -- A society that teaches evolution as fact will breed a generation of atheists that will destroy the society. It is Darwinian. |
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Clark Magnuson wrote:
Guido wrote: Gary wrote: Clark Magnuson wrote: "Rest assured that I am not about to embark on a "here's lots of scientific reasons why creationists are wrong" crusade here. This has been done to death, and I don't intend to reinvent the wheel. Instead, I would like to spend a few minutes examining the dark underbelly of creationism, which is a movement that is so foul and odious that one struggles to find the words to most aptly describe it." The pubic school Now you are just being rude. is no place for the discussion of creationism vs evolution. Isn't that what the biologists are saying? |
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Clark Magnuson wrote:
The pubic school is no place for the discussion of creationism vs evolution. Did somebody claim it is? Gary & Harvey (the one & only "TRUE" GOD) |
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Guido wrote:
Clark Magnuson wrote: The pubic school Now you are just being rude. is no place for the discussion of creationism vs evolution. Isn't that what the biologists are saying? Fundies, go figure... Gary & Harvey (the one & only "TRUE" GOD) |
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Clark Magnuson wrote:
What I claim is that the family is the place for children to get values and beliefs. Q: How is this related to teaching science in public schools? A: It isn't. If we must socialize the cost of school, let them teach useful skills and stay off the family's turf. Since when is science "the family's turf"? Fundies, go figure. No one seems to want to live in societies where the state makes moves on the family, despite how easy it is to sell the idea. You got that backwards, it's your ignorant superstition which constantly "makes moves" on societies. A society that teaches evolution as fact will breed a generation of atheists that will destroy the society. It is Darwinian. Right. It's far better to have manipulative ignorant middle eastern control freak superstitious christian cults, burning science books and denying knowledge to children while teaching them the hatred and bigotry of their manipulative ignorant middle eastern control freak superstitious christian cults. Gary & Harvey (the one & only "TRUE" GOD) |
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On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 14:58:18 -0700, Gary brought
forth from the murky depths: Guido wrote: Clark Magnuson wrote: The pubic school Now you are just being rude. is no place for the discussion of creationism vs evolution. Isn't that what the biologists are saying? Fundies, go figure... Gary & Harvey (the one & only "TRUE" GOD) I got a spam from this guy today but looked anyway. Some of the stickers/tees are hilarious, like the one "You Aren't Saved". Won't the fundies love it? http://www.unamerican.com/catalog/index.htm Reboot America, FEAR BUSH, Evolve, and a few other goodies are there, too. ------------------------------------------ Do the voices in my head bother you? ------------------------------------------ http://diversify.com Full-Service Web Development |
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Gary wrote: Clark Magnuson wrote: What I claim is that the family is the place for children to get values and beliefs. Q: How is this related to teaching science in public schools? A: It isn't. I think I have a pretty good grip on science. When my 12 came home with a book entitled "Evolution" with the homework problem at the end of the chapter, "How has evolution changed man?" That is not science. That is a left wing assault in science clothing. The same people who want your money and guns also want to burn the bibles [figuratively] in the kid's brains. THEY worship big government, and they will tolerate no other religions. They are liberals. What would you expect? -- A society that teaches evolution as fact will breed a generation of atheists that will destroy the society. It is Darwinian. |
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Clark Magnuson wrote:
Gary wrote: Clark Magnuson wrote: What I claim is that the family is the place for children to get values and beliefs. Q: How is this related to teaching science in public schools? A: It isn't. I think I have a pretty good grip on science. When my 12 came home with a book entitled "Evolution" with the homework problem at the end of the chapter, "How has evolution changed man?" That is not science. That is a left wing assault in science clothing. Well lets see even if we disregard the evolution of man from earlier forms of homonoids, there is the evolution of grasses into the major cereal crops we use today. From that alone evelotion has changed man from hunter gathers to settled populations. Now how is that a left wing assault on anything? |
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Clark Magnuson wrote:
-- A society that teaches evolution as fact will breed a generation of atheists that will destroy the society. It is Darwinian. A society that teaches the bible as fact will have Crusades" and more "Salem Witch trials" and Spanish Inquisations. I think I prefer the alternative. ...lew... |
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Lewis Hartswick wrote: Clark Magnuson wrote: -- A society that teaches evolution as fact will breed a generation of atheists that will destroy the society. It is Darwinian. A society that teaches the bible as fact will have Crusades" and more "Salem Witch trials" and Spanish Inquisations. I think I prefer the alternative. ...lew... Back then we had lower taxes and less infringement on the right to keep and bear arms. Right now we have people loosing their jobs for racial epithets, because the corporations can't take a law suit. To quote a Boeing supervisor, "Any woman or any black can have a white male fired on any day." That problem is far more widespread than the isolated crusades, Salem, and Spanish events. The politically correct religion of liberals is far more onerous than Christian based conformity. When given a choice between communism and capitalism, people always want to go to the capitalism, where life in unfair. The high priests of liberal political correctness are the professors at publicly funded universities. They will not rest as long as there is private property. -- A society that teaches evolution as fact will breed a generation of atheists that will destroy the society. It is Darwinian. |
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Gary wrote: Clark Magnuson wrote: What I claim is that the family is the place for children to get values and beliefs. Superstitions and hatreds I think you mean. Q: How is this related to teaching science in public schools? A: It isn't. I think I have a pretty good grip on science. When my 12 came home with a book entitled "Evolution" with the homework problem at the end of the chapter, "How has evolution changed man?" That is not science. And you would know that because it did not work on you? That is a left wing assault in science clothing. "Assault" on what, exactly? Stupidity? The same people who want your money and guns also want to burn the bibles [figuratively] in the kid's brains. And you want to stuff their heads with vile superstitions and then test them on the resultant idiocy, right? Then you'll complain about the lack of education the kids got and blame the parents no doubt. THEY worship big government, and they will tolerate no other religions. How many religions, exactly, are you trying to sell here?? How about a good three year mandatory class in Satanism or animism? They are liberals. Like in "educated"? What would you expect? Darwin work, right? -- Cliff |
OT- I thought Bush on imigration was evil?
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Lewis Hartswick wrote: Clark Magnuson wrote: -- A society that teaches evolution as fact will breed a generation of atheists that will destroy the society. It is Darwinian. A society that teaches the bible as fact will have Crusades" and more "Salem Witch trials" and Spanish Inquisations. I think I prefer the alternative. ...lew... Back then we had lower taxes and less infringement on the right to keep and bear arms. And you really miss the caves, clubs and reruns of dubbed Italian Westerns in B&W. Right now we have people loosing their jobs for racial epithets, because the corporations can't take a law suit. And the dammed liberals tried to end slavery. To quote a Boeing supervisor, "Any woman or any black can have a white male fired on any day." Puts a sad end to the grab & pinch fun. Liberals are a sad thing indeed. They even frown on rape (unlike certain well known conservatives.) That problem is far more widespread than the isolated crusades, Salem, and Spanish events. No killing, murder, torture, rape, plundering and other usual normal conservative-valued red-blooded god-given fundie pleasures? The politically correct religion of liberals is far more onerous than Christian based conformity. See above about all those things they frown on. When given a choice between communism and capitalism, people always want to go to the capitalism, where life in unfair. Which explains why the world has no Communists or Socialists and the jails are empty of free-market ("all I can grab") folks. The high priests of liberal political correctness are the professors at publicly funded universities. Huh? Is this another complaint about folks with an actual education? hey will not rest as long as there is private property. Keep off MY roads. -- Cliff |
OT- I thought Bush on imigration was evil?
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Gary wrote: Clark Magnuson wrote: A society that teaches evolution as fact will breed a generation of atheists that will destroy the society. It is Darwinian. LOL... Do you claim it's better to teach the lies, oppression and bigotry of ancient ignorant middle eastern christian superstitions, as fact? Gary & Harvey (the one & only "TRUE" GOD) What I claim is that the family is the place for children to get values and beliefs. "The Talking Snake Theory: Creation Science & History For Christian Children" (Recommended for Children ages 3-12) -by Pastor Deacon Fred http://www.landoverbaptist.org/talkingsnake.html If we must socialize the cost of school, let them teach useful skills and stay off the family's turf. "Science Doesn't Make Any Sense!" http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news1100/science.html No one seems to want to live in societies where the state makes moves on the family, despite how easy it is to sell the idea. "Jesus Wants You To Pack Heat!" http://www.landoverbaptist.org/60second/ A society that teaches evolution as fact will breed a generation of atheists that will destroy the society. It is Darwinian. I don't suppose you have any idea what the Theory of Evolution is about. |
OT- I thought Bush on imigration was evil?
A city wide blackout at 8 Feb 2004 00:19:46 -0800 did not prevent
(Cliff Huprich) from posting to rec.crafts.metalworking the following: Puts a sad end to the grab & pinch fun. Liberals are a sad thing indeed. They even frown on rape (unlike certain well known conservatives.) ROFLMAO. Oh, that's right, Bill Clinton's rapes weren't really rapes, besides it was only sex. Yeah, right. -- pyotr filipivich Most journalists these days couldn't investigate a missing chocolate cake at a pre-school without a Democrat office holder telling them what to look for, where, and what significance it all has. |
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