Looks like Global Warming has really taken it's toll on the East Coast
today. I hope the liberals at large have lots of fun shoveling this
Gloabl Warming trend. Broke records in NYCity's Central Park and closed
all the major airports. Heard Boston got more of this Global Warming !
I'll take the 10 degree above normal Januarary we had. Oh sorry
forgot, Global Warming caused this blizzard shutting down the liberal
bastion of the US. Keep Shoveling Libs, keep shoveling....

On 12 Feb 2006 12:48:44 -0800, "carneyke" wrote:

Looks like Global Warming has really taken it's toll on the East Coast
today. I hope the liberals at large have lots of fun shoveling this
Gloabl Warming trend. Broke records in NYCity's Central Park and closed
all the major airports. Heard Boston got more of this Global Warming !
I'll take the 10 degree above normal Januarary we had. Oh sorry
forgot, Global Warming caused this blizzard shutting down the liberal
bastion of the US. Keep Shoveling Libs, keep shoveling....

No, the blizzard was a government experiment on the east coast population.
If you take a snow sample to a lab,they will find an unusual substance.
Global warming will resume in a week as scheduled.

On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 16:08:34 -0500, maxfoo wrote:

On 12 Feb 2006 12:48:44 -0800, "carneyke" wrote:

Looks like Global Warming has really taken it's toll on the East Coast
today. I hope the liberals at large have lots of fun shoveling this
Gloabl Warming trend. Broke records in NYCity's Central Park and closed
all the major airports. Heard Boston got more of this Global Warming !
I'll take the 10 degree above normal Januarary we had. Oh sorry
forgot, Global Warming caused this blizzard shutting down the liberal
bastion of the US. Keep Shoveling Libs, keep shoveling....

No, the blizzard was a government experiment on the east coast population.
If you take a snow sample to a lab,they will find an unusual substance.
Global warming will resume in a week as scheduled.


Yep. And Cheney was practicing up today also ;-)

...Jim Thompson
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Freedom of the Press? We Have a New Definition of Yellow Journalism

On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 14:21:47 -0700, Jim Thompson
wrote:

On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 16:08:34 -0500, maxfoo wrote:

On 12 Feb 2006 12:48:44 -0800, "carneyke" wrote:

Looks like Global Warming has really taken it's toll on the East Coast
today. I hope the liberals at large have lots of fun shoveling this
Gloabl Warming trend. Broke records in NYCity's Central Park and closed
all the major airports. Heard Boston got more of this Global Warming !
I'll take the 10 degree above normal Januarary we had. Oh sorry
forgot, Global Warming caused this blizzard shutting down the liberal
bastion of the US. Keep Shoveling Libs, keep shoveling....

No, the blizzard was a government experiment on the east coast population.
If you take a snow sample to a lab,they will find an unusual substance.
Global warming will resume in a week as scheduled.


Yep. And Cheney was practicing up today also ;-)

...Jim Thompson

He shot a lawyer, guess he's gonna get rid of them first. NICE!

"carneyke" wrote in message
oups.com...
Looks like Global Warming has really taken it's toll on the East Coast
today. I hope the liberals at large have lots of fun shoveling this
Gloabl Warming trend. Broke records in NYCity's Central Park and closed
all the major airports. Heard Boston got more of this Global Warming !
I'll take the 10 degree above normal Januarary we had. Oh sorry
forgot, Global Warming caused this blizzard shutting down the liberal
bastion of the US. Keep Shoveling Libs, keep shoveling....

As the ocean temperature increases, and there is still a residue of ice in
the far north to provide a cold sink, the intensity of storms will increase
due to the greater global temperature-difference energy available.

Once the polar icecaps melt however, we will be able to enjoy our new
tropical resorts in Wisconsin.

The government was gonna be shut down tomorrow for Prez day anyway, so no
loss to the country.

As for VP shooting a lawyer, I can envision the next Saturday Night Live
skit... "so who wants to go quail hunting?" and the room clears. And Dan
Quail goes into hiding

snicker

"carneyke" wrote in message
oups.com...
Looks like Global Warming has really taken it's toll on the East Coast
today. I hope the liberals at large have lots of fun shoveling this
Gloabl Warming trend. Broke records in NYCity's Central Park and closed
all the major airports. Heard Boston got more of this Global Warming !
I'll take the 10 degree above normal Januarary we had. Oh sorry
forgot, Global Warming caused this blizzard shutting down the liberal
bastion of the US. Keep Shoveling Libs, keep shoveling....

Global warming is a widely disputed theory. Currently, most learned folks
come down on the side that it is indeed true. Then, the actual causes of it
divides them (the believers) even more.

Your post is mere anecdotal information (just a tiny drop in a huge bucket).

Global warming discussed here will not yield any useful conclusion. There
are few here who really understand the phenomenon, at any significant level
(I include myself).

In article ,
Charles Schuler wrote:
[...]
Global warming is a widely disputed theory.

The warming isn't very disputed. It is the cause that is being argued
about these days.

[...]

Global warming discussed here will not yield any useful conclusion. There
are few here who really understand the phenomenon, at any significant level
(I include myself).

We also don't all understand the biology of bird flu or the chemstry of
chemical weapons, nor the physics of atomic ones. On each of these we
have concluded that it is best to "play it safe".

--
--
forging knowledge

Looks like Global Warming has really taken it's toll on the East Coast
today. I hope the liberals at large have lots of fun shoveling this
Gloabl Warming trend. Broke records in NYCity's Central Park and closed
all the major airports. Heard Boston got more of this Global Warming !
I'll take the 10 degree above normal Januarary we had. Oh sorry
forgot, Global Warming caused this blizzard shutting down the liberal
bastion of the US. Keep Shoveling Libs, keep shoveling....


The blizzard was caused by a huge moisture mass blowing up from the
*south* being hit sidewise by a cold air stream dip coming from the
north and west. January and February in the middle Atlantic states have
been like Spring weather so far. Most of the snow was melted off by midday.

carneyke wrote:

Looks like Global Warming has really taken it's toll on the East Coast
today. I hope the liberals at large have lots of fun shoveling this
Gloabl Warming trend.

'Global Warming' is a misnomer.

'Climate change' is more accurate. Despite overall temps rising this
doesn't prevent icy temps sometimes as well.

Anyway - what's so surprising about snow in winter ?

Graham

Charles Schuler wrote:

Global warming is a widely disputed theory.

In the USA only.

Graham

On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 01:02:57 +0000, Pooh Bear
wrote:



Charles Schuler wrote:

Global warming is a widely disputed theory.

In the USA only.

Graham

We don't care about elsewhere ;-)

From what I can observe it looks to me like the warming phase has
already happened and we're now heading into the cold phase of the
cycle.

New England and "over there" is going to get nasty.

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

Yellow Journalism has returned with a new definition... I'm afraid!

maxfoo wrote:

On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 14:21:47 -0700, Jim Thompson
wrote:

On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 16:08:34 -0500, maxfoo wrote:

On 12 Feb 2006 12:48:44 -0800, "carneyke" wrote:

Looks like Global Warming has really taken it's toll on the East Coast
today. I hope the liberals at large have lots of fun shoveling this
Gloabl Warming trend. Broke records in NYCity's Central Park and closed
all the major airports. Heard Boston got more of this Global Warming !
I'll take the 10 degree above normal Januarary we had. Oh sorry
forgot, Global Warming caused this blizzard shutting down the liberal
bastion of the US. Keep Shoveling Libs, keep shoveling....

No, the blizzard was a government experiment on the east coast population.
If you take a snow sample to a lab,they will find an unusual substance.
Global warming will resume in a week as scheduled.


Yep. And Cheney was practicing up today also ;-)

...Jim Thompson

He shot a lawyer, guess he's gonna get rid of them first. NICE!

It almost makes me start to like him.

John

On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:48:44 -0800, carneyke wrote:

Looks like Global Warming has really taken it's toll on the East Coast
today. I hope the liberals at large have lots of fun shoveling this
Gloabl Warming trend. Broke records in NYCity's Central Park and closed
all the major airports. Heard Boston got more of this Global Warming !
I'll take the 10 degree above normal Januarary we had. Oh sorry
forgot, Global Warming caused this blizzard shutting down the liberal
bastion of the US. Keep Shoveling Libs, keep shoveling....

Nah, you've been reading the leftist NY (Pinko) Times and the Bean-Town
(what was that smell) GLOBE again. No snow at all here. ...not one flake.

--
Keith

That storm that hit the East coast was from Africa - across the tropics (Normal)
and then it hooked west of Mexico and started a retrograde in a North East direction.
Storms like this have been coming through Texas and hitting the East coast for
decades. Texas gets some of the best rain off the Mexican Desert during winter. The
Summer time is rain time for most of Texas - I get rain every month - but not much
this last year, but has returned to normal the last couple of months.

Martin

Martin Eastburn
@ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net
NRA LOH & Endowment Member
NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder



Richard Henry wrote:
"carneyke" wrote in message
oups.com...

Looks like Global Warming has really taken it's toll on the East Coast
today. I hope the liberals at large have lots of fun shoveling this
Gloabl Warming trend. Broke records in NYCity's Central Park and closed
all the major airports. Heard Boston got more of this Global Warming !
I'll take the 10 degree above normal Januarary we had. Oh sorry
forgot, Global Warming caused this blizzard shutting down the liberal
bastion of the US. Keep Shoveling Libs, keep shoveling....


As the ocean temperature increases, and there is still a residue of ice in
the far north to provide a cold sink, the intensity of storms will increase
due to the greater global temperature-difference energy available.

Once the polar icecaps melt however, we will be able to enjoy our new
tropical resorts in Wisconsin.




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In article , Keith wrote:
On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:48:44 -0800, carneyke wrote:

Looks like Global Warming has really taken it's toll on the East Coast
today. I hope the liberals at large have lots of fun shoveling this
Gloabl Warming trend. Broke records in NYCity's Central Park and closed
all the major airports. Heard Boston got more of this Global Warming !
I'll take the 10 degree above normal Januarary we had. Oh sorry
forgot, Global Warming caused this blizzard shutting down the liberal
bastion of the US. Keep Shoveling Libs, keep shoveling....

Nah, you've been reading the leftist NY (Pinko) Times and the Bean-Town
(what was that smell) GLOBE again. No snow at all here. ...not one flake.

I have seen "global warming" survive the "Blizzard of 1996" that
officially dumped slightly over 30 inches onto Philadelphia - whose
previous record since 1875 was 22.3 inches (set in 1983).

And I somewhat remember Boston breaking a snowfall record last winter...
They had a storm to match or slightly outdo two 1977 ones that then set
new single-storm snowfall records in Boston!

And how about that "Blizzard of 1993" - some locations hit by that one
had records broken, including a new record of 10 inches in Birmingham
and Syracuse NY breaking its previous record set by the "Great Blizzard of
1888".

Looks like some recent record-big blizzards did not stop the world from
having its hottest year on record as a continuation of a recent-decades
upward trend, and less lignificantly the USA from having its hottest
January on record - should one more blizzard make much difference?

- Don Klipstein )

Just for those that don't know History - Geologic history or have logic.
We are still retreating from the last ice age.

There have been years without summer and years without winter.
Those were 1880's as an example.

Martin

Martin Eastburn
@ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net
NRA LOH & Endowment Member
NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder



Pooh Bear wrote:

Charles Schuler wrote:


Global warming is a widely disputed theory.


In the USA only.

Graham


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Don Klipstein wrote:
(snip)
Looks like some recent record-big blizzards did not stop the world from
having its hottest year on record as a continuation of a recent-decades
upward trend, and less lignificantly the USA from having its hottest
January on record - should one more blizzard make much difference?

Global warming does not necessarily imply less snow, since warmer air
holds more moisture than colder air, allowing it to deliver more snow.
Only when global warming brings a particular location above the
freezing point, does it imply rain instead of snow. Expect places
that normally have had dry, cold winters to have warmer winters with
lots more snow. Till it gets lots warmer.

"Martin H. Eastburn" wrote:

Just for those that don't know History

Top-posting NRA fathead !

John Popelish wrote:

Don Klipstein wrote:
(snip)
Looks like some recent record-big blizzards did not stop the world from
having its hottest year on record as a continuation of a recent-decades
upward trend, and less lignificantly the USA from having its hottest
January on record - should one more blizzard make much difference?

Global warming does not necessarily imply less snow, since warmer air
holds more moisture than colder air, allowing it to deliver more snow.
Only when global warming brings a particular location above the
freezing point, does it imply rain instead of snow. Expect places
that normally have had dry, cold winters to have warmer winters with
lots more snow. Till it gets lots warmer.

The warming is best measured by sea temp not air temp. There's a lot more
energy tied up in seawater than the atmosphere.

Note also that Katrina was as bad as it was due to higher sea temps in the
Atlantic and Gulf that also ensured that the air was moisture-laden thus
helping to increase the severity of the Hurricane.

Graham

On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 22:04:26 -0500, Keith wrote:

On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:48:44 -0800, carneyke wrote:

Looks like Global Warming has really taken it's toll on the East Coast
today. I hope the liberals at large have lots of fun shoveling this
Gloabl Warming trend. Broke records in NYCity's Central Park and closed
all the major airports. Heard Boston got more of this Global Warming !
I'll take the 10 degree above normal Januarary we had. Oh sorry
forgot, Global Warming caused this blizzard shutting down the liberal
bastion of the US. Keep Shoveling Libs, keep shoveling....

Nah, you've been reading the leftist NY (Pinko) Times and the Bean-Town
(what was that smell) GLOBE again. No snow at all here. ...not one flake.


We got lots of flakes here..but no snow.

G

Gunner



"A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them;
the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences."
- Proverbs 22:3

On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 06:06:01 +0000, Pooh Bear
wrote:



"Martin H. Eastburn" wrote:

Practice makes perfect.

Top-posting NRA fathead !

Graham

So Pooh..why did you take **** for a nym?

That should be Bear Pooh btw.

Gunner



"A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them;
the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences."
- Proverbs 22:3

On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 06:06:21 +0000, Pooh Bear
wrote:



"Martin H. Eastburn" wrote:

That storm that hit the East coast was from Africa

Top-posting NRA fathead !

Snipping Bear ****!!!

Gunner



"A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them;
the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences."
- Proverbs 22:3

On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 06:06:36 +0000, Pooh Bear
wrote:



"Martin H. Eastburn" wrote:

Just for those that don't know History

Top-posting NRA fathead !

Snipping Bear ****!!!

Gunner



"A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them;
the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences."
- Proverbs 22:3

Yeah, I am a little behind the times (Climate Change terminology being
in Vouge). On a serious note, this summer I read an article on
automobile registration in the USA. In 1975 (year I graduated from High
School) there were roughly 130 million cars registered. Today it is
around 280 million cars (I may be off on these numbers slightly).
Anyway, if you remember, cars ran at 160 degree F back then and today
they run at 200 degree F. They also have that hot little catalytic
converter. I truly believe, the doubling of cars (with catalytic
converters) and the 25 % increase in engine temperature must have some
effect on the atmosphere. I know this has been kicked around but the
article really opened my eyes to the heat generated by cars. I guess
this is a case of fixing one problem and creating another. Take Care
......

carneyke wrote:

Yeah, I am a little behind the times (Climate Change terminology being
in Vouge). On a serious note, this summer I read an article on
automobile registration in the USA. In 1975 (year I graduated from High
School) there were roughly 130 million cars registered. Today it is
around 280 million cars (I may be off on these numbers slightly).
Anyway, if you remember, cars ran at 160 degree F back then and today
they run at 200 degree F. They also have that hot little catalytic
converter. I truly believe, the doubling of cars (with catalytic
converters) and the 25 % increase in engine temperature must have some
effect on the atmosphere. I know this has been kicked around but the
article really opened my eyes to the heat generated by cars. I guess
this is a case of fixing one problem and creating another. Take Care

That's pretty bad science.

The *thermal pollution* caused by cars is in direct relation to the qty of
fuel burnt. The temperature of various parts doesn't matter at all.

Improved mpg results in lower thermal pollution.

Graham

In article ,
Frithiof Andreas Jensen wrote:

"Ken Smith" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Charles Schuler wrote:
[...]
Global warming is a widely disputed theory.

The warming isn't very disputed. It is the cause that is being argued
about these days.

So, assuming no dispute and solid science, why is it that the term "Climate
Change" is becoming the preffered term these days??

I'll answer that if you tell me why they don't say weightless about people
in orbit anymore.



We also don't all understand the biology of bird flu or the chemstry of
chemical weapons, nor the physics of atomic ones. On each of these we
have concluded that it is best to "play it safe".

"We"??

Mankind, the human race or those reading this will do as the referent for
"we". Pick which ever you like the statement is correct in each case.

I am afraid that *I* do not know exactly who "we" are

Have you seen anyone about these unreasonable fears?


--
--
forging knowledge

Grahm,
Hot is hot, no matter how you "analyze" it. Today's cars generate much
more heat and there is many more cars than 30 years ago. No science
involved Sherlock, just plain old common sense, I was blessed with and
you.........

On 13 Feb 2006 07:48:29 -0800, "carneyke"
wrote:

Grahm,
Hot is hot, no matter how you "analyze" it. Today's cars generate much
more heat and there is many more cars than 30 years ago. No science
involved Sherlock, just plain old common sense, I was blessed with and
you.........

And you...? You are ignorant.

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

Yellow Journalism has returned with a new definition... I'm afraid!

Sorry. That was a little pompous on my part.

On 13 Feb 2006 07:48:29 -0800, "carneyke"
wrote:

Grahm,
Hot is hot, no matter how you "analyze" it. Today's cars generate much
more heat and there is many more cars than 30 years ago. No science
involved Sherlock, just plain old common sense, I was blessed with and
you.........

In about a minute of googling a couple of numbers, and without even
using a calculator, you can compute the approximate amount of heat
dumped by all the cars in the usa, expressed relative to the net solar
heat influx. That calculation will hint at the utility of "No science
involved, just common sense."

John

carneyke wrote:

Grahm,
Hot is hot, no matter how you "analyze" it. Today's cars generate much
more heat and there is many more cars than 30 years ago. No science
involved Sherlock, just plain old common sense, I was blessed with and
you.........

I was simply pointing out that the heat generated is in direct relation to
the quantity of fuel used, as opposed to internal working temperatures
where higher temps often means improved efficiency which actually reduces
the overal heat output, like for like.

Of course if certain countries in particular would consider using smaller
engined vehicles then this problem could be vastly ameliorated. Many of
today's cars have power well beyond what is actually reasonably *required*
for personal transportation and as such, this profiligate use of energy
can be considered to be a luxury use.

Graham

On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:20:18 +0000, Pooh Bear
wrote:


carneyke wrote:

Grahm,
Hot is hot, no matter how you "analyze" it. Today's cars generate much
more heat and there is many more cars than 30 years ago. No science
involved Sherlock, just plain old common sense, I was blessed with and
you.........

I was simply pointing out that the heat generated is in direct relation to
the quantity of fuel used, as opposed to internal working temperatures
where higher temps often means improved efficiency which actually reduces
the overal heat output, like for like.

Of course if certain countries in particular would consider using smaller
engined vehicles then this problem could be vastly ameliorated. Many of
today's cars have power well beyond what is actually reasonably *required*
for personal transportation and as such, this profiligate use of energy
can be considered to be a luxury use.

Graham


Naaah! I find 340 HP and 333 ft-lb just right ;-)

...Jim Thompson
--
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| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

Yellow Journalism has returned with a new definition... I'm afraid!

Graham , Jim & John
Sorry for being rude and ignorant. This thread is really going all
kinds of places, which makes debate interesting as these Off Topic
subjects often do. I have a lot of respect for you Engineers and don't
have the brain power to compete (I'm a lowly tech !). In the last 25
years I've noticed some things and have pointed them out in this
thread. Yes, we may be having an overall warming of our climate but we
just broke records with this snowfall. Maybe the cars have nothing to
do with it, maybe they do. Maybe the banning of pesticides has brought
back migratory birds but has rendered many outdoor activities obsolete.
All this in 25 years ! Recycling is a great thing except all the trash
blown out of there bins and landing on the side of the road. I do agree
we need to do something about pollution and our energy usage (I am
playing with a solar heating project this winter). I have always had a
4 cylinder car and didn't get AC until my wife came down with Asthma
(smoker) 6 years ago. I think my point is for everything we do there
will always be a "bad" side and its a shame it gets so political. So
please accept my appollogy for being rude and as Jim wrote "Ignorant".
Sorry Jim.....

On 13 Feb 2006 08:45:23 -0800, "carneyke"
wrote:

Graham , Jim & John
Sorry for being rude and ignorant. This thread is really going all
kinds of places, which makes debate interesting as these Off Topic
subjects often do. I have a lot of respect for you Engineers and don't
have the brain power to compete (I'm a lowly tech !). In the last 25
years I've noticed some things and have pointed them out in this
thread. Yes, we may be having an overall warming of our climate but we
just broke records with this snowfall. Maybe the cars have nothing to
do with it, maybe they do. Maybe the banning of pesticides has brought
back migratory birds but has rendered many outdoor activities obsolete.
All this in 25 years ! Recycling is a great thing except all the trash
blown out of there bins and landing on the side of the road. I do agree
we need to do something about pollution and our energy usage (I am
playing with a solar heating project this winter). I have always had a
4 cylinder car and didn't get AC until my wife came down with Asthma
(smoker) 6 years ago. I think my point is for everything we do there
will always be a "bad" side and its a shame it gets so political. So
please accept my appollogy for being rude and as Jim wrote "Ignorant".
Sorry Jim.....

"Ignorant" simply means "without knowledge". You'll get over it ;-)

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

Yellow Journalism has returned with a new definition... I'm afraid!

On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 14:21:47 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 16:08:34 -0500, maxfoo wrote:

On 12 Feb 2006 12:48:44 -0800, "carneyke" wrote:

Looks like Global Warming has really taken it's toll on the East Coast
today. I hope the liberals at large have lots of fun shoveling this
Gloabl Warming trend. Broke records in NYCity's Central Park and closed
all the major airports. Heard Boston got more of this Global Warming !
I'll take the 10 degree above normal Januarary we had. Oh sorry
forgot, Global Warming caused this blizzard shutting down the liberal
bastion of the US. Keep Shoveling Libs, keep shoveling....

No, the blizzard was a government experiment on the east coast population.
If you take a snow sample to a lab,they will find an unusual substance.
Global warming will resume in a week as scheduled.


Yep. And Cheney was practicing up today also ;-)

...Jim Thompson

Yeah, with "friends" like that, who the hell needs enemies?

Thanks,
Rich
--
"We have met the enemy and he is us." - Pogo Possum

On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 22:57:32 +0000, Ken Smith wrote:
[snipped global warming hysteria rants]
... we
have concluded that it is best to "play it safe".


First, who's "we"? Got a mouse in your pocket?

And what, exactly, does "play it safe" mean, when discussing this
"global warming" crapola? Curtail all human activity? Make everybody
move into caves and become hunter-gatherers? Prohibit combustion?

And then, after we've all descended into the savagery that seems to
be the Chicken Littles' agenda, what do you recommend that "we" do
when it turns out that it hasn't made any difference at all?

Is that an experiment we really want to undertake?

Thanks,
Rich
--
"We have met the enemy and he is us." - Pogo Possum

On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 01:06:40 +0000, Pooh Bear wrote:
Ken Smith wrote:
Charles Schuler wrote:
[...]
Global warming is a widely disputed theory.

The warming isn't very disputed. It is the cause that is being argued
about these days.

Very true.

Even the US contingent that say it's *not* due to human activity don't dismiss
the effect of CO2 in the atmosphere though AFAIK. They simply dispute how much
an influence it is.

The sane conclusion therefore is to limit CO2 ( and other greenhouse gas )
emissions since it can at worst do no harm to do so !

Graham

Yeah, that's it! Plug up all of the volcanoes!
--
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The Pig Bladder from Uranus, still waiting for that
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On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 12:24:37 +0100, Frithiof Andreas Jensen wrote:
"Ken Smith" wrote in message
Charles Schuler wrote:
[...]
We also don't all understand the biology of bird flu or the chemstry of
chemical weapons, nor the physics of atomic ones. On each of these we
have concluded that it is best to "play it safe".

"We"??

I am afraid that *I* do not know exactly who "we" are and I do not quite now
what "safe" is either, except for simple cause-effect things.

There are such things in life as real risk and imagined risk - the problem
is that the information processing part of the mind is heavily linked to the
emotion system (for speed and efficiency in front of large animals with
teeth) so the risk that invokes the most emotion is seen as the larger one
even when it is plainly ludicrous. The imagined risk is larger because it
has more emotional clout.

Behavourial scientists f.ex. have managed to sell more life insurances
covering the risk of getting killed in a terrorist attack on an airline than
the alternative insurance of dying on an airline (which of course cover
terrorism as well as obesity and heart disease i.e. *real* risks with high
probabilities).

Media these days feed on selling emotion, not information. The same does
politicians. Positive feedback is set up. I an few years boredom sets in,
emotion dissipates, and "the problem" will disappear. The "war on terror"
will go the way of "the war on drugs". "Global Warming" mutates into
"Climate Change" and then .... it disappears as no emotional mileage can be
gained from it.

I give it Five Years, Tops.

Unfortunately, while the hysteria may pass, the government agencies go on
and on, like a bad penny, or a curse. "The war on drugs" might not be on
the top of everybody's terror list, but the DEA is still there, and there
are still a lot of people in prison for the "crime" of merely _HAVING_
drugs.

And apparently, you're a nonsmoker or don't live in America - the war on
smokers is getting more intense day by day - and if there's any unholy
jihadish crusade, that's it. But, like all religious cults, their faith
overrides any actual scientific fact. That should be obvious - 43% of the
citizens still approve of Bush!

Does George suck Dick?

Thanks,
Rich
--
"We have met the enemy and he is us." - Pogo Possum

On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 18:07:30 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:
We don't care about elsewhere ;-)

Yes, Jim, We all know you care about nothing but your own fat, satisfied,
white, analog savant ass.

You _do_ tend to get tiresome after a while of listening to you play the
same track over and over and over and over and over and over and over...

Thanks,
Rich
--
"We have met the enemy and he is us." - Pogo Possum