I can't afford Hardinge or Royal but wanted to stay away from the chinese
cheapo ones so I bought a set of Lyndex 5C collets, thinking the quality
would be somewhere in the middle. Unfortunately, the Lyndex collets thread
too tightly on my collet closer (a Royal brand one) while every other collet
I have (Hardinge, South Bend) threads on fine, so the problem is the
collets, not the closer. Snooping around the web I've found others having
problems with the Lyndex collets having oversize threads. On top of that,
the 1" Lyndex collet showed 0.0017" runout, while the Hardinge one showed
0.0005".
So the Lyndex collets are being returned. Does anyone know of "mid" priced
5C collets that are good quality, or at least a source for import sets that
aren't too bad?

Are the Enco brand ones they sell ok or junk?

I've heard good comments about Bison collets but I don't see them sold by
any of the tool discounters, does anyone know where the Bison collets can be
purchased for reasonable prices?

Thanks,

Paul T.

"Paul T." wrote:

I can't afford Hardinge or Royal but wanted to stay away from the chinese
cheapo ones so I bought a set of Lyndex 5C collets, thinking the quality
would be somewhere in the middle. Unfortunately, the Lyndex collets thread
too tightly on my collet closer (a Royal brand one) while every other collet
I have (Hardinge, South Bend) threads on fine, so the problem is the
collets, not the closer. Snooping around the web I've found others having
problems with the Lyndex collets having oversize threads. On top of that,
the 1" Lyndex collet showed 0.0017" runout, while the Hardinge one showed
0.0005".
So the Lyndex collets are being returned. Does anyone know of "mid" priced
5C collets that are good quality, or at least a source for import sets that
aren't too bad?

Are the Enco brand ones they sell ok or junk?

I bought a set about 2 years ago. I assume that they are Chinese
though I don't know that for a fact. The problem that I have had with
them is that they tend to bust very easily.

Runout does not seem to be a problem nor is there any problem with the
thread as you describe with the Lyndex collets.

With the Enco collets, so long as you don't mind replacing one every
two or three months they are pretty cheap.

BTW, I've never-ever had a Hardinge collet bust on me.

George.

"George" wrote in message
...
"Paul T." wrote:

I can't afford Hardinge or Royal but wanted to stay away from the chinese
cheapo ones so I bought a set of Lyndex 5C collets, thinking the quality
would be somewhere in the middle. Unfortunately, the Lyndex collets
thread
too tightly on my collet closer (a Royal brand one) while every other
collet
I have (Hardinge, South Bend) threads on fine, so the problem is the
collets, not the closer. Snooping around the web I've found others having
problems with the Lyndex collets having oversize threads. On top of that,
the 1" Lyndex collet showed 0.0017" runout, while the Hardinge one showed
0.0005".
So the Lyndex collets are being returned. Does anyone know of "mid"
priced
5C collets that are good quality, or at least a source for import sets
that
aren't too bad?

Are the Enco brand ones they sell ok or junk?

I bought a set about 2 years ago. I assume that they are Chinese
though I don't know that for a fact. The problem that I have had with
them is that they tend to bust very easily.

Runout does not seem to be a problem nor is there any problem with the
thread as you describe with the Lyndex collets.

With the Enco collets, so long as you don't mind replacing one every
two or three months they are pretty cheap.

BTW, I've never-ever had a Hardinge collet bust on me.


How does one break a collet? I'm not asking to be a smartass. I'm new to
this and I don't know.

Peter

On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 03:39:44 GMT, "Peter Grey"
wrote:


"George" wrote in message
.. .
"Paul T." wrote:

I can't afford Hardinge or Royal but wanted to stay away from the chinese
cheapo ones so I bought a set of Lyndex 5C collets, thinking the quality
would be somewhere in the middle. Unfortunately, the Lyndex collets
thread
too tightly on my collet closer (a Royal brand one) while every other
collet
I have (Hardinge, South Bend) threads on fine, so the problem is the
collets, not the closer. Snooping around the web I've found others having
problems with the Lyndex collets having oversize threads. On top of that,
the 1" Lyndex collet showed 0.0017" runout, while the Hardinge one showed
0.0005".
So the Lyndex collets are being returned. Does anyone know of "mid"
priced
5C collets that are good quality, or at least a source for import sets
that
aren't too bad?

Are the Enco brand ones they sell ok or junk?

I bought a set about 2 years ago. I assume that they are Chinese
though I don't know that for a fact. The problem that I have had with
them is that they tend to bust very easily.

Runout does not seem to be a problem nor is there any problem with the
thread as you describe with the Lyndex collets.

With the Enco collets, so long as you don't mind replacing one every
two or three months they are pretty cheap.

BTW, I've never-ever had a Hardinge collet bust on me.


How does one break a collet? I'm not asking to be a smartass. I'm new to
this and I don't know.

Peter

A collet by its nature is designed to flex, and to compress against a
piece of material in a flexed and dynamic pull fashion.

Not only does it bend inwards to hold the work, but its pulled
longitudinally as its pulled into the spindle nose by the draw bar.

Poor heat treating and poor material will cause them to snap off a
finger with some regularity.

The Hardinge chucks are the Standard besides which all others are
judged.

Gunner

" ..The world has gone crazy. Guess I'm showing my age...
I think it dates from when we started looking at virtues
as funny. It's embarrassing to speak of honor, integrity,
bravery, patriotism, 'doing the right thing', charity,
fairness. You have Seinfeld making cowardice an acceptable
choice; our politicians changing positions of honor with
every poll; we laugh at servicemen and patriotic fervor; we
accept corruption in our police and bias in our judges; we
kill our children, and wonder why they have no respect for
Life. We deny children their childhood and innocence- and
then we denigrate being a Man, as opposed to a 'person'. We
*assume* that anyone with a weapon will use it against his
fellowman- if only he has the chance. Nah; in our agitation
to keep the State out of the church business, we've
destroyed our value system and replaced it with *nothing*.
Turns my stomach- " Chas , rec.knives

Keywords:
In article k.net, "Peter Grey" wrote:

"George" wrote in message
.. .
"Paul T." wrote:

I can't afford Hardinge or Royal but wanted to stay away from the chinese
cheapo ones so I bought a set of Lyndex 5C collets, thinking the quality
would be somewhere in the middle. Unfortunately, the Lyndex collets
thread
too tightly on my collet closer (a Royal brand one) while every other
collet
I have (Hardinge, South Bend) threads on fine, so the problem is the
collets, not the closer. Snooping around the web I've found others having
problems with the Lyndex collets having oversize threads. On top of that,
the 1" Lyndex collet showed 0.0017" runout, while the Hardinge one showed
0.0005".
So the Lyndex collets are being returned. Does anyone know of "mid"
priced
5C collets that are good quality, or at least a source for import sets
that
aren't too bad?

Are the Enco brand ones they sell ok or junk?

I bought a set about 2 years ago. I assume that they are Chinese
though I don't know that for a fact. The problem that I have had with
them is that they tend to bust very easily.

Runout does not seem to be a problem nor is there any problem with the
thread as you describe with the Lyndex collets.

With the Enco collets, so long as you don't mind replacing one every
two or three months they are pretty cheap.

BTW, I've never-ever had a Hardinge collet bust on me.


How does one break a collet? I'm not asking to be a smartass. I'm new to
this and I don't know.

A friend of mine bought an entire set of Enco collets, checked them all
over for runout & sent back the bad ones, which they replaced. It took a
while, but he ended up with a decent set. This was a long time ago, and
I doubt they are the same manufacturer. He never had a problem with them
breaking. As a matter of fact, I've NEVER heard of anyone breaking a 5C
collet before.

I didn't buy Enco collets, because they don't have the internal thread
for a stop. I don't know if that is still the case. I have a very mixed
collection, built up over the years. Many are Lyndex, and they are fine.
I also have a lot of Fowlers, and they are also good. The Hardinge
definitely seem to be the best.

Doug White

For the price Enco collets seem like a fair deal. I bought a set when they shut
down the retail store near Dallas four or five years ago. I have checked some
for runout and they were a thou or less.

Use them all the time.

Gary Repesh

I had a few collets at work without the stop threads, so I turned a flanged
aluminum round to slip inside them from the rear, with an angled setscrew to
cinch them in place against the inner wall. A threaded rod and locknut is
used for the stop bolt. A very slight tensioning of the setscrew works
well, and has not caused problems.

RJ

"Doug White" wrote in message
...
Keywords:
In article k.net,
"Peter Grey" wrote:

"George" wrote in message
.. .
"Paul T." wrote:

I can't afford Hardinge or Royal but wanted to stay away from the
chinese
cheapo ones so I bought a set of Lyndex 5C collets, thinking the
quality
would be somewhere in the middle. Unfortunately, the Lyndex collets
thread
too tightly on my collet closer (a Royal brand one) while every other
collet
I have (Hardinge, South Bend) threads on fine, so the problem is the
collets, not the closer. Snooping around the web I've found others
having
problems with the Lyndex collets having oversize threads. On top of
that,
the 1" Lyndex collet showed 0.0017" runout, while the Hardinge one
showed
0.0005".
So the Lyndex collets are being returned. Does anyone know of "mid"
priced
5C collets that are good quality, or at least a source for import sets
that
aren't too bad?

Are the Enco brand ones they sell ok or junk?

I bought a set about 2 years ago. I assume that they are Chinese
though I don't know that for a fact. The problem that I have had with
them is that they tend to bust very easily.

Runout does not seem to be a problem nor is there any problem with the
thread as you describe with the Lyndex collets.

With the Enco collets, so long as you don't mind replacing one every
two or three months they are pretty cheap.

BTW, I've never-ever had a Hardinge collet bust on me.


How does one break a collet? I'm not asking to be a smartass. I'm new
to
this and I don't know.

A friend of mine bought an entire set of Enco collets, checked them all
over for runout & sent back the bad ones, which they replaced. It took a
while, but he ended up with a decent set. This was a long time ago, and
I doubt they are the same manufacturer. He never had a problem with them
breaking. As a matter of fact, I've NEVER heard of anyone breaking a 5C
collet before.

I didn't buy Enco collets, because they don't have the internal thread
for a stop. I don't know if that is still the case. I have a very mixed
collection, built up over the years. Many are Lyndex, and they are fine.
I also have a lot of Fowlers, and they are also good. The Hardinge
definitely seem to be the best.

Doug White

In article , Gunner says...

Poor heat treating and poor material will cause them to snap off a
finger with some regularity.

Interesting. I've never seen that happpen - but then I've
populated my collet drawers with old, and semi-new hardinge
stuff. I forget what sobel sells them for, but one is allowed
to dig though and pick out the nicer ones, which might be
a little more expensive.

Jim

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On 24 Jan 2004 06:39:35 -0800, jim rozen
wrote:

In article , Gunner says...

Poor heat treating and poor material will cause them to snap off a
finger with some regularity.

Interesting. I've never seen that happpen - but then I've
populated my collet drawers with old, and semi-new hardinge
stuff. I forget what sobel sells them for, but one is allowed
to dig though and pick out the nicer ones, which might be
a little more expensive.

Jim



Which reminds me..anyone heard of the CWC brand of collets? Ive a
few. They all seem to be accurate but older.
I was told they were made in California years ago.

A quick google search found another similar question with their
collets being marked Allison and CWC

Gunner

" ..The world has gone crazy. Guess I'm showing my age...
I think it dates from when we started looking at virtues
as funny. It's embarrassing to speak of honor, integrity,
bravery, patriotism, 'doing the right thing', charity,
fairness. You have Seinfeld making cowardice an acceptable
choice; our politicians changing positions of honor with
every poll; we laugh at servicemen and patriotic fervor; we
accept corruption in our police and bias in our judges; we
kill our children, and wonder why they have no respect for
Life. We deny children their childhood and innocence- and
then we denigrate being a Man, as opposed to a 'person'. We
*assume* that anyone with a weapon will use it against his
fellowman- if only he has the chance. Nah; in our agitation
to keep the State out of the church business, we've
destroyed our value system and replaced it with *nothing*.
Turns my stomach- " Chas , rec.knives

The Hardinge chucks are the Standard besides which all others are judged.


True. But Rivett collets are pretty good, too.

"Gunner" wrote in message
...
On 24 Jan 2004 06:39:35 -0800, jim rozen
wrote:

1. Note of caution. When buying cheaper collets (e.g., Lindex and other
Chinese makes) check each collet with a drill, drill blank, or similar --
had to send back a whole bunch that were mislabelled and/or totally
inaccurate -- several years ago -- don't know about now. But good to check
on bargain collets.

2. I once also got some bargain collets that I though were undersized, but
close examination showed that they just had a burr that hadn't been removed.
A manual swipe with a countersink did the trick.

Boris

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I got some Lyndex (made in Japan) collets back in the 80's and was impressed
with the quality, can't comment on the current crop. Why don't you consider
what I did when I started out. I got a Royal set in 1/16" sizes. Since
these are the most commonly used sizes, they get the most use. I then filled
in the rest of my collet rack over time depending on need and whatever deal
I came across.

Tony

"Paul T." wrote in message
...
I can't afford Hardinge or Royal but wanted to stay away from the chinese
cheapo ones so I bought a set of Lyndex 5C collets, thinking the quality
would be somewhere in the middle. Unfortunately, the Lyndex collets thread
too tightly on my collet closer (a Royal brand one) while every other
collet
I have (Hardinge, South Bend) threads on fine, so the problem is the
collets, not the closer. Snooping around the web I've found others having
problems with the Lyndex collets having oversize threads. On top of that,
the 1" Lyndex collet showed 0.0017" runout, while the Hardinge one showed
0.0005".
So the Lyndex collets are being returned. Does anyone know of "mid" priced
5C collets that are good quality, or at least a source for import sets
that
aren't too bad?

Are the Enco brand ones they sell ok or junk?

I've heard good comments about Bison collets but I don't see them sold by
any of the tool discounters, does anyone know where the Bison collets can
be
purchased for reasonable prices?

Thanks,

Paul T.

I bought a few Taiwanese expansion collets that are a real PITA to get into
my 5C indexer.

Tony wrote:

I got some Lyndex (made in Japan) collets back in the 80's and was impressed
with the quality, can't comment on the current crop. Why don't you consider
what I did when I started out. I got a Royal set in 1/16" sizes. Since
these are the most commonly used sizes, they get the most use. I then filled
in the rest of my collet rack over time depending on need and whatever deal
I came across.

Tony

I also have Lyndex 5C collets of late 80s vintage and they are fine. Maybe
things have changed, don't know. Have since aquired an assortment including
Royal, Hardinge, Neal Skokie (Germany), and a couple that say Fowler and Willis
Toledo. Both made in Germany and a logo stamped into them that looks like an
upper case P with 2 heads. A left/right mirror image. I would like all of them
to be Hardinge or perhaps the German made ones, but they are all good or better
quality.

mj




"Paul T." wrote in message
...
I can't afford Hardinge or Royal but wanted to stay away from the chinese
cheapo ones so I bought a set of Lyndex 5C collets, thinking the quality
would be somewhere in the middle. Unfortunately, the Lyndex collets thread
too tightly on my collet closer (a Royal brand one) while every other
collet
I have (Hardinge, South Bend) threads on fine, so the problem is the
collets, not the closer. Snooping around the web I've found others having
problems with the Lyndex collets having oversize threads. On top of that,
the 1" Lyndex collet showed 0.0017" runout, while the Hardinge one showed
0.0005".
So the Lyndex collets are being returned. Does anyone know of "mid" priced
5C collets that are good quality, or at least a source for import sets
that
aren't too bad?

Are the Enco brand ones they sell ok or junk?

I've heard good comments about Bison collets but I don't see them sold by
any of the tool discounters, does anyone know where the Bison collets can
be
purchased for reasonable prices?

Thanks,

Paul T.

I'm look for collets to, but since I have a bunch of used collets I'm
not looking to hard, yet. Does any one have experience with Bison
collets that New England Brass and Tool sells?

When I was researching collets several years ago, I compared the stated
accuracy's between collets. I for get the exact numbers, but Lyndex was
quoting the accuracy at nose of the collet, and Hardinge was at 1" from
the nose of the collet.

I have not looked at the Hardinge web site in a while, but it use to
have good info on collets. I believe it said that there collets would
be only accurate for 1000 cycles. This makes me wonder if used
Hardinge's collets (or any collets) are no better then imports.

Vince

Tony wrote:

I got some Lyndex (made in Japan) collets back in the 80's and was impressed
with the quality, can't comment on the current crop. Why don't you consider
what I did when I started out. I got a Royal set in 1/16" sizes. Since
these are the most commonly used sizes, they get the most use. I then filled
in the rest of my collet rack over time depending on need and whatever deal
I came across.

Tony

"Paul T." wrote in message
.. .


I can't afford Hardinge or Royal but wanted to stay away from the chinese
cheapo ones so I bought a set of Lyndex 5C collets, thinking the quality
would be somewhere in the middle. Unfortunately, the Lyndex collets thread
too tightly on my collet closer (a Royal brand one) while every other


collet


I have (Hardinge, South Bend) threads on fine, so the problem is the
collets, not the closer. Snooping around the web I've found others having
problems with the Lyndex collets having oversize threads. On top of that,
the 1" Lyndex collet showed 0.0017" runout, while the Hardinge one showed
0.0005".
So the Lyndex collets are being returned. Does anyone know of "mid" priced
5C collets that are good quality, or at least a source for import sets


that


aren't too bad?

Are the Enco brand ones they sell ok or junk?

I've heard good comments about Bison collets but I don't see them sold by
any of the tool discounters, does anyone know where the Bison collets can


be


purchased for reasonable prices?

Thanks,

Paul T.

"Vince Iorio" wrote in message news:ROSQb.4
...
I have not looked at the Hardinge web site in a while, but it use to have
good info
on collets. I believe it said that there collets would be only accurate
for 1000
cycles. This makes me wonder if used Hardinge's collets (or any collets)
are no
better then imports.

Even if you don't buy the Hardinge collets, download and read their
workholding manuals, lot of useful tutorial information I have not seen
elsewhere.

Bob

"Vince Iorio" wrote in message
...
I'm look for collets to, but since I have a bunch of used collets I'm not
looking to hard, yet. Does any one have experience Ywith Bison collets that
New England Brass and Tool sells?


I've dealt with New England Brass and Tool many times. They are nice folk to
deal with and will certainly stand behind the products they sell. I've
bought several Bison chucks from New England and have been delighted with
the value.

I got some Lyndex (made in Japan) collets back in the 80's and was impressed
with the quality, can't comment on the current crop.
I don't think that the current Lyndex are Japanese. I was burned two years
ago on some (what I thought were) Lyndex collets. Had to send a bunch back.
It could be that these were Lyndex knock-offs -- the outfit that sold these
have long since folded their tents. Just took a look at them--the collets
just say "TAIWAN" -- but I'm sure that the boxes said "Lyndex" - maybe it
was "lindex? Lindecks? or Windex?"

I can't afford Hardinge or Royal but wanted to stay away from the chinese
cheapo ones so I bought a set of Lyndex 5C collets, thinking the quality
would be somewhere in the middle. Unfortunately, the Lyndex collets thread
too tightly on my collet closer (a Royal brand one) while every other
collet
I have (Hardinge, South Bend) threads on fine, so the problem is the
collets, not the closer. Snooping around the web I've found others having
problems with the Lyndex collets having oversize threads.

One of the problems I had with my (supposedly) Lyndex collets was that the
key slot was undersized and/or had a bur on it. At first I thought that it
was oversized threads, but it was the slot. That was easy to fix.

Boris

In article .net, Boris Beizer
says...

I've dealt with New England Brass and Tool many times. They are nice folk to
deal with and will certainly stand behind the products they sell. I've
bought several Bison chucks from New England and have been delighted with
the value.

I've seen that bison makes an equivelent to the Buck
six jaw, adjust true chuck. There's one guy who sells
them new on ebay, with back plate, for about 560 for
a six inch chuck.

I also know that Buck has been bought out by Forkhard
so maybe there stuff is no longer as good as it was???
Anyway the buck version would be over $1K according
to MSC.

Anyone here purchased and used one of the bison adjust true
six jaws, and how did it work out over the long run?

Thanks - Jim

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In article ,
says...
In article .net, Boris Beizer
says...

I've dealt with New England Brass and Tool many times. They are nice folk to
deal with and will certainly stand behind the products they sell. I've
bought several Bison chucks from New England and have been delighted with
the value.

I've seen that bison makes an equivelent to the Buck
six jaw, adjust true chuck. There's one guy who sells
them new on ebay, with back plate, for about 560 for
a six inch chuck.

I also know that Buck has been bought out by Forkhard
so maybe there stuff is no longer as good as it was???
Anyway the buck version would be over $1K according
to MSC.

Anyone here purchased and used one of the bison adjust true
six jaws, and how did it work out over the long run?


I bought one for my Feeler "HLV-H" on sale from Enco for
around $360, without backplate. Enco's regular price is
$440. I have a comparable pre-Forkhardt 3-jaw Buck ajust-
tru and a Hardinge branded Buck 4-jaw. Though I haven't had
the chuck long enough to predict how it'll be in the long
term, I can't see any obvious difference in quality between
the Bison and the Bucks.

Ned Simmons