Metalworking (rec.crafts.metalworking) Discuss various aspects of working with metal, such as machining, welding, metal joining, screwing, casting, hardening/tempering, blacksmithing/forging, spinning and hammer work, sheet metal work.

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#575 Wand from static shock machine?
#577 A very old toaster
#580 Large tongs for stretching canvas

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575: Some kind of medical instrument. Maybe some UV-comb or the like.
The made weird things at that time.
577: A toaster ("Shiny like a toaster")
578: Hardness-tester (by Rockwell)
580: For bending thin sheet metal. Roofing usage


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#576 is a tsuba from a Japanese sword

#577 is a toaster for bread.
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575: electro-stim wand
576: I was thinking it was a decorative cover for the hole in a wood
stove, but I'm going with katana tsuba
577: toaster
578: Rockwell hardness meter (tests hardness of metal)
579: patch jag for the end of a cleaning rod (firearm barrel cleaning)
580: tongs for bending sheet glass?

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575: Not a clue

576: Escutcheon

577: Toaster. I used to have one like it.

578: Lacking a clue here, too.

579: Plumb bob?

580: Brake for bending metal?

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575. my guess would be part of some kind of old fashioned hokey electric
neon "health massage" device.
576. japanese sword guard. looks like it's made out of iron. i can't
figure out what the design is supposed to be. looks like two fronds from a
plant of some sort but can't figure out what. looks like there are two
spaces for some parts that are missing. (bezel(s) for gemstones or other
material?)
577. electric toaster (when i was a kid (~1969) my grandmother was still
using hers) (bakelite handles missing?)
578. no idea but "rockwell" makes me think it's some kind of hardness
tester. no idea how it'd be used.
579. no idea but my guess is it's some kind of wood-to-metal fastener.
(actually from the photo i can't even really tell if the close end is
threaded.)
580. with those long tong handles i would've thought it's some kind of
blacksmith's tool. need to keep your hands away from the heat. no idea
though what it's used for though.


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#575 For analytical chemistry?
#576 Lock escuscion(sp?)?
#577 Toaster
#578 Rockwell hardness gauge
#579 ?
#580 Tongs for metal working?
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572 Sprue cutter for castings
573 lawn de-thatcher/aerator
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575: I'm going with HV gas discharge tube for questionable medical
purposes - I saw several very much like this at "The Museum of
Questionable Medical Devices" in Minneapolis, before it closed.
I've tried searching their website, but don't see it. The device
is filled with rarefied gas, and the HV supply goes to that metal
cap, and it lights up like a neon lamp, tingles a little where the
fingers are dragged over the skin, and makes ozone. ;-)

And everybody got 577 the toaster and 578 the Rockwell tester. )-;

The 580 tongs I'm guessing are for hot sheet metal.

Cheers!
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Item 570 is a form for hammering copper sheet, reposse.
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"Rich Grise" wrote: (clip)The 580 tongs I'm guessing are for hot sheet
metal.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The same thought passed through my mind. The style and construction of
those tongs says "blacksmith." The width says "sheet metal." A piece of
sheet metal the width of those tongs would be too stiff to bend cold, so we
come to hot sheet metal. But nothing in a blacksmith shop would heat a
piece of sheet metal that wide uniformly, so there must be more to the
story.


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It's on of those neon or argon gas filled applicators that were sold
with the 'quack' "Blue Ray" medical devices. I have one just like it
that came as with the antique machine that I own.

Harry C.

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They're seaming tongs for closing the joints on standing seam roofs.

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"Rich Grise" wrote: (clip)The 580 tongs I'm guessing are for hot sheet
metal.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The same thought passed through my mind. The style and construction of
those tongs says "blacksmith." The width says "sheet metal." A piece of
sheet metal the width of those tongs would be too stiff to bend cold, so
we come to hot sheet metal. But nothing in a blacksmith shop would heat a
piece of sheet metal that wide uniformly, so there must be more to the
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#579 looks like a modernized #566. ;-)

Cheers!
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I saw several very much like this at "The Museum of
Questionable Medical Devices" in Minneapolis, before it closed.


Oh, man... Is there any way to buy them out?

Seriously. Contact info? Anyone from the Twin Cities that can help?

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I think the tongs are for quenching thin stock such as a knife blade so
that it does not twist.

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579: patch jag for the end of a cleaning rod (firearm barrel cleaning)


Yup, probably about .30 cal or slightly larger
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577 OLD ELECTRIC TOASTER
That's the only one I know this time

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What's a Google? All I ever use in Altavista...

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What's a Google? All I ever use in Altavista...


Google is the best browser on the net. And screw the politics. If you
want to be able to find stuff fast and rather completely Google is the
software to use. Their preeminence in the browser market is no accident.

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Google is the best browser on the net. And screw the politics. If you
want to be able to find stuff fast and rather completely Google is the
software to use. Their preeminence in the browser market is no accident.


Google has a browser out? More info, please.

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According to R.H. :
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http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/


As usual -- posting from rec.crafts.metalworking. Getting a
late start tonight. (It may be tomorrow by the time I finish typing. :-)

575) -- one of the various optional electrodes from the antique home
diathermy kits. The usual primary one was a bent tube with a
funnel on the end, and a gently domed cap.

In operation, a high voltage was generated and applied to the
electrode on the small end of the tube. It would generate a
purplish glow inside the tube (low pressure + high voltage), and
it would loosen overtense muscles. (It would also blast out
reception of any radio station for blocks around, making them
rather unpopular with the FCC. :-)

576) What it the material? Iron? It looks like a decorative anchor
for a carrying strap on some old Chinese basketwork.

577) Quite obviously, an old (pre pop-up) toaster. I remember that
my grandparents used one like that when I was a kid.

The round things half-way up the sides were asbestos disks so
you could grip it to open the doors, let the toast slide down,
and re-close it to toast the other side.

Ours had a knob on one end which opened both sides at once, and
closed them at once.

578) From the side, it looks like an old and elaborate radiator cap,
but I believe that in reality, it is a hardness tester, for one
of the Rockwell hardness scales -- with 'C' being the most
common.

579) If it were not for the smaller threads on the other end, and
the poor choice of material, I would think that it was a
"transfer screw", for marking a centerpunch mark in steel to
match a threaded hole. (It may still be something of the sort
for woodwork, where the brass would not be a problem, but I
don't know why the smaller threads at the other end.

580) I don't know. Perhaps for bending thin sheet metal -- perhaps
copper for roofing flashing?

Now to see what others have said.

Enjoy,
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Oleg Lego wrote:

The Robert J. Kolker entity posted thusly:

Google is the best browser on the net. And screw the politics. If you
want to be able to find stuff fast and rather completely Google is the
software to use. Their preeminence in the browser market is no accident.


Google has a browser out? More info, please.


It's such a good search engine that people are using Google as their home page -
and it's a small step for newbies to start equating their home page with their
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Robert J. Kolker wrote:

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All have been answered correctly this week:






575. Electrode for a Violet Ray quack medical device

576. Tsuba, hand guard for a Japanese sword

577. Toaster

578. Hardness tester

579. Cleaning jag for a .45

580. Roofing tongs



More photos and some links have been posted on the answer page:

http://pzphotosan102tw.blogspot.com/


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579 Screws on to the end of a rod for pushing claning patches down gun
barrels.

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As usual -- posting from rec.crafts.metalworking. Getting a
late start tonight. (It may be tomorrow by the time I finish typing. :-)

575) -- one of the various optional electrodes from the antique home
diathermy kits. The usual primary one was a bent tube with a
funnel on the end, and a gently domed cap.

In operation, a high voltage was generated and applied to the
electrode on the small end of the tube. It would generate a
purplish glow inside the tube (low pressure + high voltage), and
it would loosen overtense muscles. (It would also blast out
reception of any radio station for blocks around, making them
rather unpopular with the FCC. :-)

576) What it the material? Iron? It looks like a decorative anchor
for a carrying strap on some old Chinese basketwork.

577) Quite obviously, an old (pre pop-up) toaster. I remember that
my grandparents used one like that when I was a kid.

The round things half-way up the sides were asbestos disks so
you could grip it to open the doors, let the toast slide down,
and re-close it to toast the other side.

Ours had a knob on one end which opened both sides at once, and
closed them at once.

578) From the side, it looks like an old and elaborate radiator cap,
but I believe that in reality, it is a hardness tester, for one
of the Rockwell hardness scales -- with 'C' being the most
common.

579) If it were not for the smaller threads on the other end, and
the poor choice of material, I would think that it was a
"transfer screw", for marking a centerpunch mark in steel to
match a threaded hole. (It may still be something of the sort
for woodwork, where the brass would not be a problem, but I
don't know why the smaller threads at the other end.

580) I don't know. Perhaps for bending thin sheet metal -- perhaps
copper for roofing flashing?

Now to see what others have said.

Enjoy,
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577 Copeman Electric Stove toaster
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577 Copeman Electric Stove toaster


They're great fun. I used one (or one very similar, with much
better visibility) at university. People originally thought a
toaster that did both sides and automatically popped up would
be incomparably superior to one you had to drive manually.
Until they were given the chance to drive it manually. The
look on their faces when they first pulled the sides down,
and the slice rotated, presenting its opposite side to the
element, proved that deep down they were jealous...

Get your hands on one if you can!

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Wrong, google Groups -is- a browser. I am using it right now to post
this message. But I much prefer Agent as it has spell check and kill
files capability.
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Gary wrote:
) Wrong, google Groups -is- a browser. I am using it right now to post
) this message. But I much prefer Agent as it has spell check and kill
) files capability.

And because it doesn't encourage people to reply to articles without
quoting relevant context, thus making it difficult to follow.


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Gary wrote:

Wrong, google Groups -is- a browser.


I'm having "AOL is the Internet" flashbacks ;-)

Let's see if we can't clear this up...

First, let's back up a little. It's important to think of the Internet
as not one, but several things, the most common of which are...

* World Wide Web... the various millions of web sites out there.
* eMail... self explanatory
* USENET... thousands of discussion groups.
* IRC... Internet Relay Chat (old school instant messenger)
* FTP... File Transfer Protocol

There are others, but those have been the big ones in the last decade
or so. (The "World Wide Web" [or WWW or just web] is only one
component of the internet.)

USENET has been around LONG before Google. People used various
software (commonly known as newsreaders) to access USENET newsgroups.
(I'd say most people still do. I use Xnews myself. Forte Agent and MS
Outlook are also common.)

As the WWW grew in popularity, some folks decided it would be a groovy
idea to be able to access USENET with an ordinary web browser (such as
Internet Explorer, Netscape, Firefox, etc.) Think of it as accessing a
radio station with an ordinary telephone. This is what Google has
done. They are not the first and they are not the only. Their web
interface to USENET is part of what we know as "Google Groups".

Somewhere along the line, someone else thought it would also be a
groovy idea to gather up all those past USENET discussions, along with
all the new ones that are being generated every day, and put them in a
big fat searchable database. And then make that database accessible
with a web browser. Several years ago there was a website called
DejaNews that did just that. I don't know how they did it or if they
were the first, but they did it and it was cool.

As with many things on the web, after a few years it fizzled. They
probably ran out of money and they went offline.

Fast forward to a couple years ago, and Google announces that they've
bought the USENET archive that belonged to DejaNews and soon they will
be using their wonderous search technology on all those old
discussions and make them accessible from groups.google.com.

Google Groups is now TWO things... a web interface to USENET and an
agreggator/search tool of USENET discussions.

If you think about it, Google has positioned itself into an
interesting position. Millions of people think Google Groups and
USENET are one in the same... right out of the AOL or MS playbook.

Oh, and one more thing... Google is not a browser. A browser, or more
precisely a "web browser" is the software that you use to access
various web sites (including Google Groups) on the WWW. The most
common web browser these days is Internet Explorer, with Firefox
running a distant second.

And that's all I have to say about that.

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What's a Google? All I ever use in Altavista...


Google is what is called a _Web Portal_. One accesses Google with a
web browser and it has links to a search engine for the World Wide Web
and another for the Usenet Archives. It also provides a web-based
interface
for searching, reading, and posting to UseNet newsgroups and some other
non-Usenet nesgroups as well. Google also offers email and a few other
services.

Google is also the name of the company that makes all that happen.

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If you think about it, Google has positioned itself into an
interesting position. Millions of people think Google Groups and
USENET are one in the same... right out of the AOL or MS playbook.


And now...

http://news.com.com/Google+wants+dark+fiber/2100-1034_3-5537392.html

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Dave Balderstone wrote:

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Barta wrote:

If you think about it, Google has positioned itself into an
interesting position. Millions of people think Google Groups and
USENET are one in the same... right out of the AOL or MS
playbook.


And now...

http://news.com.com/Google+wants+dar...4_3-5537392.ht
ml


I'm guessing you posted the link for a reason. I'm curious to hear
your thoughts on the article.

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I'm guessing you posted the link for a reason. I'm curious to hear
your thoughts on the article.


Maybe millions of people will soon think that Google and the Internet
are one and the same...

Some here already think they're a browser...

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For one thing, dark fiber is leased and bought by many companies that
have divisions or sections - in other parts of town or state or nation.

IEEE had a nice story of a very thoughtful and much lower cost of bandwidth.

When MCI-Worldcom and others were going crazy - buying and installing (and not paying)
for stuff all over the country - a lot of fiber was laid that was never
used - e.g. no laser lit - therefore dark.

Simple as that. Sometimes it is spare bundles or spare fibers.

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Dave Balderstone wrote:
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If you think about it, Google has positioned itself into an
interesting position. Millions of people think Google Groups and
USENET are one in the same... right out of the AOL or MS playbook.



And now...

http://news.com.com/Google+wants+dark+fiber/2100-1034_3-5537392.html


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Or when carriers went bankrupt lit bundles of transatlantic cable that
cost 800 million ton install would sell for 10-20 million during
restructuring

it would still cost 800 million to put a new one in so you were getting
the same thing for 1/40th the price

Martin H. Eastburn wrote:
For one thing, dark fiber is leased and bought by many companies that
have divisions or sections - in other parts of town or state or nation.

IEEE had a nice story of a very thoughtful and much lower cost of
bandwidth.

When MCI-Worldcom and others were going crazy - buying and installing
(and not paying)
for stuff all over the country - a lot of fiber was laid that was never
used - e.g. no laser lit - therefore dark.

Simple as that. Sometimes it is spare bundles or spare fibers.

Martin

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Dave Balderstone wrote:

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If you think about it, Google has positioned itself into an
interesting position. Millions of people think Google Groups and
USENET are one in the same... right out of the AOL or MS playbook.




And now...

http://news.com.com/Google+wants+dark+fiber/2100-1034_3-5537392.html


----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet
News==----
http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+
Newsgroups
----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =----

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Default What is Google?

On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 01:25:37 GMT, with neither quill nor qualm, Joe
Barta quickly quoth:

Gary wrote:

Wrong, google Groups -is- a browser.


I'm having "AOL is the Internet" flashbacks ;-)


Remember the AOL "Me, too!"ers?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Me_too

Remember when Google was Deja News?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DejaNews

Of course, I googled for these.

P.S: Gary, Google Groups is an -archive- which you can browse
using MSIE, Netscape, Firefox, or other Web browser software.

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