If you are ever going to do some serious offroading in a Jeep you want
a front bumper only strong enough so that you can lift the truck with
a high-lift jack. I would use 2x4 tube 1/8 wall or 4 inch C-channel
3/16th. Later on you might want to add a winch and if you have too
big of a bumper you are gonna need heavier springs, etc etc etc. Keep
it light!
Dave

If you are ever going to do some serious offroading in a Jeep you want
a front bumper only strong enough so that you can lift the truck with

Its important to keep an off road vehicle light. I am not sure this
is as important for on road use.

On 14 Jan 2004 17:58:32 GMT, (Charles A.
Sherwood) wrote:

If you are ever going to do some serious offroading in a Jeep you want
a front bumper only strong enough so that you can lift the truck with

Its important to keep an off road vehicle light. I am not sure this
is as important for on road use.

I believe he was specifically talking about keeping the ends light.
If you hang some great mongo 4" pipe bumpers on both ends of your 4WD,
you're guaranteed to turn it into a real dog over any type of bumps.
Add a big ol' Warn winch, some brush guards, shovels, and about 100'
of anchor chain, and it'll suck bigtime. The increase in rotational
inertia about the center of mass will make the vehicle seesaw like the
bull at Gilley's. Same thing applies to boats.

Pete Keillor

"Peter T. Keillor III" wrote in message
...
On 14 Jan 2004 17:58:32 GMT, (Charles A.
Sherwood) wrote:

If you are ever going to do some serious offroading in a Jeep you want
a front bumper only strong enough so that you can lift the truck with

Its important to keep an off road vehicle light. I am not sure this
is as important for on road use.

I believe he was specifically talking about keeping the ends light.
If you hang some great mongo 4" pipe bumpers on both ends of your 4WD,
you're guaranteed to turn it into a real dog over any type of bumps.
Add a big ol' Warn winch, some brush guards, shovels, and about 100'
of anchor chain, and it'll suck bigtime. The increase in rotational
inertia about the center of mass will make the vehicle seesaw like the
bull at Gilley's.

Not if you have the appropriate springs and shocks.

JTMcC.




Same thing applies to boats.

Pete Keillor

On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 03:19:48 GMT, "JTMcC"
wrote:


"Peter T. Keillor III" wrote in message
.. .
On 14 Jan 2004 17:58:32 GMT, (Charles A.
Sherwood) wrote:

If you are ever going to do some serious offroading in a Jeep you want
a front bumper only strong enough so that you can lift the truck with

Its important to keep an off road vehicle light. I am not sure this
is as important for on road use.

I believe he was specifically talking about keeping the ends light.
If you hang some great mongo 4" pipe bumpers on both ends of your 4WD,
you're guaranteed to turn it into a real dog over any type of bumps.
Add a big ol' Warn winch, some brush guards, shovels, and about 100'
of anchor chain, and it'll suck bigtime. The increase in rotational
inertia about the center of mass will make the vehicle seesaw like the
bull at Gilley's.

Not if you have the appropriate springs and shocks.

JTMcC.

I agree the springs and shocks help, lots of travel with lots of
damping for offroad, but you'll suffer compared to keeping the weight
out of the ends. Used to run across mesquite pasture with some 2-3'
drops at 50 mph in my cj. Ran like a dream. Stock, it would have
cost me kidneys and fillings, and broken the jeep.

Pete Keillor


Same thing applies to boats.

Pete Keillor

On 14 Jan 2004 17:58:32 GMT, (Charles A. Sherwood) wrote:
If you are ever going to do some serious offroading in a Jeep you want
a front bumper only strong enough so that you can lift the truck with

Its important to keep an off road vehicle light. I am not sure this
is as important for on road use.

Caterpillar doesn't seem to agree, nor does John Deere.

Gary

Gary Coffman wrote:


(Charles A. Sherwood) wrote:
Its important to keep an off road vehicle light. I am not sure this
is as important for on road use.


Caterpillar doesn't seem to agree, nor does John Deere.
Gary



Twit.





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Mark

N.E. Ohio


Never argue with a fool, a bystander can't tell you apart.
(S. Clemens, A.K.A. Mark Twain)

When in doubt hit the throttle. It may not help but it sure
ends the suspense. (Gaz, r.moto)

"Charles A. Sherwood" wrote in message
...
If you are ever going to do some serious offroading in a Jeep you want
a front bumper only strong enough so that you can lift the truck with

Its important to keep an off road vehicle light. I am not sure this
is as important for on road use.

Off road vehicles range from mountain bikes, quads, desert racers, mud
boggers, rock crawlers, regular old pickups, military duece and a halfs, 5
tons, M-1A Abrams main battle tanks, Humvees, great big electric company
utility trucks, D-11's, pipelayers, and my favorite-welding rigs. Some are
very light, some (particularly those used for work) are very heavy.

JTMcC.

If you are ever going to do some serious offroading in a Jeep you want

Off road vehicles range from mountain bikes, quads, desert racers, mud

I thought we were talking about car type vehicles, such as the JEEP
mentioned in the first line.....

"Charles A. Sherwood" wrote in message
...
If you are ever going to do some serious offroading in a Jeep you want

Off road vehicles range from mountain bikes, quads, desert racers, mud

I thought we were talking about car type vehicles, such as the JEEP
mentioned in the first line.....

Well, these things tend to go far afield at times, so feel free to talk
about whatever you want. I was responding to a couple of comments to the
effect that heavy off road vehicles, or off road vehicles with heavy loads
are a bad thing. To me, and I am prejudiced, they are a wonderful thing. In
fact, heavily loaded vehicles in an off road environment are a critical
component in the income stream at my humble abode. I didn't mean to offend
you, puleeez forgive me!

JTMcC. g