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I was watching Discovery channel's "American Chopper" last night. In the
past, I've read threads about the disregard of welding helmets while tack
welding, eye protection while grinding, etc. Last night they out did there
lack of safety by filling a balloon with acetylene, setting it on the
ground, pouring gas to it and lighting it. No disclaimer regarding safety
either. Hopefully some yougster won't think that was cool and try it at
home. The fact that filling a balloon with acetylene is really dangerous
(static electricity and kaboom... off with those fingers, hand, face...)
then lighting gasolene (indoors too!) WOW!, makes jackass look like brain
surgery.
I posted a warning on the the shows forum board.
Did anyone else see this show?

walt


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When I was a student one of the others on the course filled his lunch
bag with OA mix and lit it. Bang, the lecturer and others went in to see
the kid standng there dazed but unhurt. The lecturer didn't bother to
tell him off for being that stupid, he reckoned he learned a lesson and
wouldn't do it again.

wallster wrote:

I was watching Discovery channel's "American Chopper" last night. In the
past, I've read threads about the disregard of welding helmets while tack
welding, eye protection while grinding, etc. Last night they out did there
lack of safety by filling a balloon with acetylene, setting it on the
ground, pouring gas to it and lighting it. No disclaimer regarding safety
either. Hopefully some yougster won't think that was cool and try it at
home. The fact that filling a balloon with acetylene is really dangerous
(static electricity and kaboom... off with those fingers, hand, face...)
then lighting gasolene (indoors too!) WOW!, makes jackass look like brain
surgery.
I posted a warning on the the shows forum board.
Did anyone else see this show?

walt



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When I was a student one of the others on the course filled his lunch bag
with OA mix and lit it. Bang, the lecturer and others went in to see the
kid standng there dazed but unhurt. The lecturer didn't bother to tell
him off for being that stupid, he reckoned he learned a lesson and
wouldn't do it again.


He probably wouldn't have heard him anyway, just high pitched ringing. : )


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When in the military back in the late 60's we used to take condoms,
and filll em up with acetylene, tie a string to them, and manuver them
over a zippo lighter that was burning, and watch the black ball of
smoke and yellowish flame.....Used to make a pretty decent bang, but
not all that loud, or not anywhere near as neat as when we added O2 to
one condom.....We were in a typical lean to type structure, bored and
working nightshift. The structure served as a shop of sorts, with
hanging florescent lights.......it knocked the 5 of us on our ass and
the concusion knocked out some of the lights as well....Awesome flash
bang......It was not long until higher ups thought the base had
incomming rounds so it sort of got an unexpected situation started....

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wrote:
I was watching Discovery channel's "American Chopper" last night. In the
past, I've read threads about the disregard of welding helmets while tack
welding, eye protection while grinding, etc. Last night they out did there
lack of safety by filling a balloon with acetylene, setting it on the
ground, pouring gas to it and lighting it. No disclaimer regarding safety
either. Hopefully some yougster won't think that was cool and try it at
home. The fact that filling a balloon with acetylene is really dangerous
(static electricity and kaboom... off with those fingers, hand, face...)
then lighting gasolene (indoors too!) WOW!, makes jackass look like brain
surgery.
I posted a warning on the the shows forum board.
Did anyone else see this show?

walt


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Safety first!
Used to do 30 gal. trash bags for the 4th of july, had a very safe
system for doing it.
I think you could get flash burns, burnt plastic on your eyeballs, and
singed hair from a ballon of acetylene/oxygen, but for all the noise,
they don't actually pack a lot of wallop in that size. Eye and hearing
damage- large risk!


Dave



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wallster wrote:

I was watching Discovery channel's "American Chopper" last night. In the
past, I've read threads about the disregard of welding helmets while tack
welding, eye protection while grinding, etc. Last night they out did there
lack of safety by filling a balloon with acetylene, setting it on the
ground, pouring gas to it and lighting it. No disclaimer regarding safety
either. Hopefully some yougster won't think that was cool and try it at
home. The fact that filling a balloon with acetylene is really dangerous
(static electricity and kaboom... off with those fingers, hand, face...)
then lighting gasolene (indoors too!) WOW!, makes jackass look like brain
surgery.
I posted a warning on the the shows forum board.
Did anyone else see this show?

walt


I wonder why they don't have OSHA knocking on their door by now. After
all OCC is a business so it is within OSHA's jurisdiction.

Pete C.
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wrote: (clip) Eye and hearing damage- large risk!
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I did this about thirty years ago--my ears are still ringing.


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Damn, now you've done it.

(good point!)

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I wonder why they don't have OSHA knocking on their door by now. After
all OCC is a business so it is within OSHA's jurisdiction.

Pete C.



OSHA? take on Bikers?

Oh, what a hoot!
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Well I still have my Big Bang carbide canon to wake up the neighborhood
every now and then. Couple of rounds about 6AM on the 4th of July gets
everyone up and moving. :-)

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Safety first!
Used to do 30 gal. trash bags for the 4th of july, had a very safe
system for doing it.
I think you could get flash burns, burnt plastic on your eyeballs, and
singed hair from a ballon of acetylene/oxygen, but for all the noise,
they don't actually pack a lot of wallop in that size. Eye and hearing
damage- large risk!


Dave





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On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 15:20:49 +0000, David Billington
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When I was a student one of the others on the course filled his lunch
bag with OA mix and lit it. Bang, the lecturer and others went in to see
the kid standng there dazed but unhurt. The lecturer didn't bother to
tell him off for being that stupid, he reckoned he learned a lesson and
wouldn't do it again.

wallster wrote:

I was watching Discovery channel's "American Chopper" last night. In the
past, I've read threads about the disregard of welding helmets while tack
welding, eye protection while grinding, etc. Last night they out did there
lack of safety by filling a balloon with acetylene, setting it on the
ground, pouring gas to it and lighting it. No disclaimer regarding safety
either. Hopefully some yougster won't think that was cool and try it at
home. The fact that filling a balloon with acetylene is really dangerous
(static electricity and kaboom... off with those fingers, hand, face...)
then lighting gasolene (indoors too!) WOW!, makes jackass look like brain
surgery.
I posted a warning on the the shows forum board.
Did anyone else see this show?

walt



I recall "Other People" filling the cracks between the bricks in the
high school welding tables with acetylene. The tables of other other
people who were late for class.

Gunner

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wallster wrote:
I was watching Discovery channel's "American Chopper" last night. In the
past, I've read threads about the disregard of welding helmets while tack
welding, eye protection while grinding, etc. Last night they out did there
lack of safety by filling a balloon with acetylene, setting it on the
ground, pouring gas to it and lighting it. No disclaimer regarding safety
either. Hopefully some yougster won't think that was cool and try it at
home. The fact that filling a balloon with acetylene is really dangerous
(static electricity and kaboom... off with those fingers, hand, face...)
then lighting gasolene (indoors too!) WOW!, makes jackass look like brain
surgery.
I posted a warning on the the shows forum board.
Did anyone else see this show?

walt




Didn't see the episode, but I too have memories of daft kids in my class
at college. They filled the lids of spray cans with varying quantities
of Oxy Acct mix to see who could get the biggest bang and the best hight
out of their, now, projectile.

It ended after a few days when a couple decided to see if they could use
the Normal welding torch to cut the chain on the portable trolley. Of
coarse it did, and that would have been that, but they decided to hide
the damaged chain with the HOSES going to the torch. The still hot chain
ignited the the gasses in the tubing and awe all had to evacuate.

Only saving grace was that they had not at this point fitted Flash back
arrestors, and so it was all covered up very quickly.

But could have been very nasty.

I take it there was no 'Don't try this at home kids' anywhere in the
narration or end credits?

All the best Vaughn
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I liked how Mr. Genius made the pipe canon version... Now that was cool. I
bet the majority of us really learned how to make acetylene bag bombs back
in High school (c-mon, admit it, it was fun!). I was surprised to see Mr.
Steroid Sr. touch it off and laugh for once. That was well worth it (We did
not think it was possible) Too bad you have to be an ex-druggie/junkie to
get noticed for TV on this episode however (Sorry, no sympathy for bad life
choices). Great episode- Bad candidate for the bike however. (Just my $.02
cent opinion) I bet we see sometime, in the very near future some dumb-ass
blow off his hand trying this who should not even be allowed near a torch.
Then with our luck Uncle (or Aunt) Sam will declare torches as "WMD's" or
"Assault tools" Get your tanks now before they raise the Darwin tax on
refills. You would think Discovery's Risk Mgt. would have opted to leave
that on the cutting room floor. Just look at what Beavis and Butthead got in
hot water with the FCC Circa late 80's (Fire, Fire, Fire) Anything for a
buck or ratings I guess. Now some stupid kid is gonna get hurt because he
saw a very unsafe act being done by a celebrity. I think they should really
have not put that in just because of the fact some kid is gonna play with
dad's torches now. Last I heard, fingers don't grow back right?

Rob


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I liked how Mr. Genius made the pipe canon version... Now that was cool.
I bet the majority of us really learned how to make acetylene bag bombs
back in High school (c-mon, admit it, it was fun!). I was surprised to see
Mr. Steroid Sr. touch it off and laugh for once. That was well worth it (We
did not think it was possible) Too bad you have to be an ex-druggie/junkie
to get noticed for TV on this episode however (Sorry, no sympathy for bad
life choices). Great episode- Bad candidate for the bike however. (Just my
$.02 cent opinion) I bet we see sometime, in the very near future some
dumb-ass blow off his hand trying this who should not even be allowed near
a torch. Then with our luck Uncle (or Aunt) Sam will declare torches as
"WMD's" or "Assault tools" Get your tanks now before they raise the Darwin
tax on refills. You would think Discovery's Risk Mgt. would have opted to
leave that on the cutting room floor. Just look at what Beavis and Butthead
got in hot water with the FCC Circa late 80's (Fire, Fire, Fire) Anything
for a buck or ratings I guess. Now some stupid kid is gonna get hurt
because he saw a very unsafe act being done by a celebrity. I think they
should really have not put that in just because of the fact some kid is
gonna play with dad's torches now. Last I heard, fingers don't grow back
right?

Rob


Fraser Competition Engines
Chicago, IL.


Rob, I agree with you on the bad life choices comments. The next winner sold
his bike to pay his ailing Mothers bills, that sounds like a GOOD choice. As
far as the pipe cannon part, "add some oxygen... just a little" was the
killer line there, that big gorilla probably lost some hearing on that one.

walt
ps. you build drag racing engines so i thought you might be interested in a
website i designed for a pal of mine. He races stock cars but racing is
racing!
http://www.julicher-racing.com
(it's a flash site with sounds)


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Doesn't acetylene combust spontaneously at around 15psi? Can you get 15 psi
by squeezing the baloon? Does it have to be in the presence of oxygen?

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I was watching Discovery channel's "American Chopper" last night. In the
past, I've read threads about the disregard of welding helmets while tack
welding, eye protection while grinding, etc. Last night they out did there
lack of safety by filling a balloon with acetylene, setting it on the
ground, pouring gas to it and lighting it. No disclaimer regarding safety
either. Hopefully some yougster won't think that was cool and try it at
home. The fact that filling a balloon with acetylene is really dangerous
(static electricity and kaboom... off with those fingers, hand, face...)
then lighting gasolene (indoors too!) WOW!, makes jackass look like brain
surgery.
I posted a warning on the the shows forum board.
Did anyone else see this show?

walt





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Richard Lamb wrote:

OSHA? take on Bikers?
Oh, what a hoot!


What's that got to do with OCC?

Best,

Weyland

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AL wrote:

Doesn't acetylene combust spontaneously at around 15psi? Can you get 15 psi
by squeezing the baloon?


Can't be. The red line at my acetylen bottle's pressure regulator is at
8 bar (116psi).

Does it have to be in the presence of oxygen?


No, it can disintegrate without O.
And if it is getting into contact with copper, it will ignite earlier.
Brass up to 60% (IIRC) copper is OK.


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Doesn't acetylene combust spontaneously at around 15psi?

I hope not. I got about 250 psi in my tank right now.

Does it have to be in the presence of oxygen?


Yes, no oxygen, no fire.


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Doesn't acetylene combust spontaneously at around 15psi?


No. It doesn't combust as normally understood (fuel plus oxygen
combining) at high pressure. What's actually happening is a breakdown of
the bonds between the atoms of the acetylene molecules into simpler
compounds with lower bond energy, releasing the energy of the previous
bonding scheme as heat in one massive dump. The proper term is
"deflagration". Any fire that results is due to the heat of the
breakdown getting combustion started on whatever acet molecules are left
as oxygen comes into the mix after the balloon breaks from the initial
pressure jump of the deflagration.

Can you get 15 psi by squeezing the baloon?


Yes. You can even get it without squeezing the balloon. First-day demo
in high school welding shop involved the teacher loading two calibrated
"color-change" balloons - They started out dark green, and as their
calibrated pressure was reached, went almost clear - in the back lot
from a remote-shutoff hose run from the acet manifold. First one maxed
out at 12 pounds, and went "pop" in standard, fairly unimpressive
balloon fashion just before it was totally clear. Second one was rated
for 20 pounds, and erupted into a suitably impressive fireball as it was
just reaching "almost transparent".

Does it have to be in the presence of oxygen?


No. As mentioned, it's not combustion as normally understood (fuel plus
oxygen combining), but a breakdown of the bonds between the atoms of the
acetylene molecules. It'll happen just the same regardless of presence
or absence of oxygen.

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"Dave Lyon" wrote:

"AL" wrote in message
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Doesn't acetylene combust spontaneously at around 15psi?


I hope not. I got about 250 psi in my tank right now.

Does it have to be in the presence of oxygen?


Yes, no oxygen, no fire.

Dave, you might want to review some basic gas welding books...

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In article vSdzf.496702$084.153837@attbi_s22,
"Dave Lyon" wrote:

"AL" wrote in message
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Doesn't acetylene combust spontaneously at around 15psi?


I hope not. I got about 250 psi in my tank right now.

Does it have to be in the presence of oxygen?


Yes, no oxygen, no fire.

Incorrect, Dave.

See my other post for more detail. In summary: Pure acetylene at 15-ish
pounds doesn't "burn", a process which does indeed require oxygen.
Instead, it "deflagrates", a process of chemical breakdown that has no
need whatsoever for oxygen to be present in order to happen. (presence
of oxygen may in fact inhibit deflagration in some cases) The only
commonality between the two processes is that they both generate a lot
of heat.

(Something capable of deflagration doesn't even need to be "flammable"
as the term is generally used - It might be something you can't light by
putting a torch to it, but it's still possible for deflagration to
happen, resulting in an explosion)

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Cool site Walt. I took mine down as it was a total joke. (Front-page) Any
chance you are the same guy as in "Wally's Speed Shop"?-- Very cool toys and
I like the old Yamaha, Brings back some memories.

All the best,

Rob

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Chicago, IL.


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"David Billington" wrote in message
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When I was a student one of the others on the course filled his lunch bag
with OA mix and lit it. Bang, the lecturer and others went in to see the
kid standng there dazed but unhurt. The lecturer didn't bother to tell
him off for being that stupid, he reckoned he learned a lesson and
wouldn't do it again.


He probably wouldn't have heard him anyway, just high pitched ringing. : )




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wallster wrote in article
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I was watching Discovery channel's "American Chopper" last night. In the
past, I've read threads about the disregard of welding helmets while tack


welding, eye protection while grinding, etc. Last night they out did

there
lack of safety by filling a balloon with acetylene, setting it on the
ground, pouring gas to it and lighting it. No disclaimer regarding safety


either. Hopefully some yougster won't think that was cool and try it at
home. The fact that filling a balloon with acetylene is really dangerous
(static electricity and kaboom... off with those fingers, hand, face...)
then lighting gasolene (indoors too!) WOW!, makes jackass look like

brain
surgery.
I posted a warning on the the shows forum board.
Did anyone else see this show?

walt



While I certainly do NOT condone such activity, I find it somewhat puzzling
that this subject was never brought up when the late metal master "Roy"
used to set off upside-down coffee cups full of acetylene on the American
HotRod program.

Maybe everbody was hoping Boyd might be walking by when one went off?????



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Cool site Walt. I took mine down as it was a total joke. (Front-page) Any
chance you are the same guy as in "Wally's Speed Shop"?-- Very cool toys
and I like the old Yamaha, Brings back some memories.

All the best,

Rob

Fraser Competition Engines
Chicago, IL.


That's me! If you're refering to the yamaha trail bike i agree... very fun!
I googled your page and saw it was down, if you need some help getting her
up again, drop me an email, i'd be glad to help.

walt (wally)
wallyatwallys-speed-shopdotcom (u know how to fix that)


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You take one lousy week off to join Thorax at the Elvis concert, and this
is what happens: Gunner writes on Tue, 17 Jan 2006
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On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 15:20:49 +0000, David Billington
wrote:

When I was a student one of the others on the course filled his lunch
bag with OA mix and lit it. Bang, the lecturer and others went in to see
the kid standng there dazed but unhurt. The lecturer didn't bother to
tell him off for being that stupid, he reckoned he learned a lesson and
wouldn't do it again.

wallster wrote:

I was watching Discovery channel's "American Chopper" last night. In the
past, I've read threads about the disregard of welding helmets while tack
welding, eye protection while grinding, etc. Last night they out did there
lack of safety by filling a balloon with acetylene, setting it on the
ground, pouring gas to it and lighting it. No disclaimer regarding safety
either. Hopefully some yougster won't think that was cool and try it at
home. The fact that filling a balloon with acetylene is really dangerous
(static electricity and kaboom... off with those fingers, hand, face...)
then lighting gasolene (indoors too!) WOW!, makes jackass look like brain
surgery.
I posted a warning on the the shows forum board.
Did anyone else see this show?

walt



I recall "Other People" filling the cracks between the bricks in the
high school welding tables with acetylene. The tables of other other
people who were late for class.


All I'm gonna say is "see sig"



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On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:59:36 -0500, "wallster"
wrote:

I was watching Discovery channel's "American Chopper" last night. In the
past, I've read threads about the disregard of welding helmets while tack
welding, eye protection while grinding, etc. Last night they out did there
lack of safety by filling a balloon with acetylene, setting it on the
ground, pouring gas to it and lighting it.


Done properly it can be a fun blast.
At one shop I worked at we had He for filling attention getting balloons
and an
OA set in the shop. So, with me in ear plugs, gloves and full face shield
I
filled several balloons with OA while another person filled several
balloons
with He.
With all of them tied together a fuse was fashioned from a strip of paper.
Fuse
lit,the air burst balloons were released and went to about 150 feet before
the
OA went off, it was a beautiful thing. Car alarms went off for blocks,
people
came out of their shops and looked around for the "whatever the hell" made
that
noise. That was the first and last time we did that. But it was a great
blast.
I know, I'm sick.


http://www.esdjournal.com/static/Kan...er%20truck.htm
How NOT to play with acetylene balloons.


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Kick ass! Yea, that Yamaha was one of the first bikes we had as kids. Left
a lot of knee-cap and elbow meat on the ground. Could beat that bike all day
long and it would just ask for more. They don't make them like that anymore.
I also had an old CB350 we put the engine into a go-kart in High school. (My
brother and I) Just turned all the pipes over the top, lost the airbox and
made a dual acting cable shifter and clutch pedal. The most insane cart I
ever owned!
I'll drop you a line on the Web-stuff as soon as that part is ready for
the photographer and video clips of the dyno's in action. I'm almost ready
to start. I need to get the shop in sorts and have the two dyno's up and
running before I advertise. One drive on and one engine dyno. Got a lot of
work in front of me. Plus wiring and the CNC is a headache in itself. (And
the P&H overhead gantry crane is shot presently. Can't wait to get that
bill....Ouch!)
Hey. I will buy one of your shirts (I sort of wear the underdog clothes
at the track to support the little guy like myself.) Can you E-mail me the
order link and paypal account to
I'll even have it in a photo on the web page. I'll send you some of my
decals and whatever I can scrounge up. New shirts are on the "to-do" list.
Going with the bowling shirts this time. Just send me the address in that
E-mail off line.

Thanks for the offer of help. I need it!

Rob
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"RDF" wrote in message
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Cool site Walt. I took mine down as it was a total joke. (Front-page)
Any chance you are the same guy as in "Wally's Speed Shop"?-- Very cool
toys and I like the old Yamaha, Brings back some memories.

All the best,

Rob

Fraser Competition Engines
Chicago, IL.


That's me! If you're refering to the yamaha trail bike i agree... very
fun!
I googled your page and saw it was down, if you need some help getting her
up again, drop me an email, i'd be glad to help.

walt (wally)
wallyatwallys-speed-shopdotcom (u know how to fix that)



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wallster wrote in article
...
I was watching Discovery channel's "American Chopper" last night. In the
past, I've read threads about the disregard of welding helmets while tack


welding, eye protection while grinding, etc. Last night they out did

there
lack of safety by filling a balloon with acetylene, setting it on the
ground, pouring gas to it and lighting it. No disclaimer regarding safety


either. Hopefully some yougster won't think that was cool and try it at
home. The fact that filling a balloon with acetylene is really dangerous
(static electricity and kaboom... off with those fingers, hand, face...)
then lighting gasolene (indoors too!) WOW!, makes jackass look like

brain
surgery.
I posted a warning on the the shows forum board.
Did anyone else see this show?

walt


While I certainly do NOT condone such activity, I find it somewhat puzzling
that this subject was never brought up when the late metal master "Roy"
used to set off upside-down coffee cups full of acetylene on the American
HotRod program.

Maybe everbody was hoping Boyd might be walking by when one went off?????


Perhaps if they could replace Boyd's hot air with acetylene...

Pete C.
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I quit watching that show (American Hotrod) just because I wanted to smash
that putz Dwayne in the head with a jack. He really turned me off of the
show. Then Roy croaks and the Boyd Co. fails to mention his passing and
moreover, his contributions and his owed respects as a man in general. I
could easily see Roy doing that. My old mentor was as psycho as they came.
He was always lighting things on fire or shooting Rollocks under the
bathroom stalls off a die grinder while taking a good constitutional with
the Tribune in hand.. Fun times with the "Real masters of the trades"
Then , no respect is shown. I guess I was right for ditching the show.

Respects,

Rob

Fraser Competition Engines
Chicago, IL.
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wallster wrote in article
...
I was watching Discovery channel's "American Chopper" last night. In the
past, I've read threads about the disregard of welding helmets while tack


welding, eye protection while grinding, etc. Last night they out did

there
lack of safety by filling a balloon with acetylene, setting it on the
ground, pouring gas to it and lighting it. No disclaimer regarding safety


either. Hopefully some yougster won't think that was cool and try it at
home. The fact that filling a balloon with acetylene is really dangerous
(static electricity and kaboom... off with those fingers, hand, face...)
then lighting gasolene (indoors too!) WOW!, makes jackass look like

brain
surgery.
I posted a warning on the the shows forum board.
Did anyone else see this show?

walt



While I certainly do NOT condone such activity, I find it somewhat
puzzling
that this subject was never brought up when the late metal master "Roy"
used to set off upside-down coffee cups full of acetylene on the American
HotRod program.

Maybe everbody was hoping Boyd might be walking by when one went off?????





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RDF wrote:

I liked how Mr. Genius made the pipe canon version... Now that was cool. I
bet the majority of us really learned how to make acetylene bag bombs back
in High school (c-mon, admit it, it was fun!). I was surprised to see Mr.
Steroid Sr. touch it off and laugh for once. That was well worth it (We did
not think it was possible) Too bad you have to be an ex-druggie/junkie to
get noticed for TV on this episode however (Sorry, no sympathy for bad life
choices). Great episode- Bad candidate for the bike however. (Just my $.02
cent opinion)


I wished they would make a distinction between "bikers"
and "chopper riders/posers"

The sadsack guy that got the bike went on and on about
how he wanted a bike so bad but couldn't afford one.
Why the fsk didn't he do what we did when we wanted a
bike, buy a beater for $500 and learn how to fix it?

The reality was that he didn't want a bike, he wanted
a $30,000 custom chopper. And that made his life complete.



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I filled a plastic kitchen size garbage bag with OA mix 20 years years ago
and my ears are still ringing. A friend and my brother heard it 2 miles
away. Huh?
"Leo Lichtman" wrote in message
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wrote: (clip) Eye and hearing damage- large risk!
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I did this about thirty years ago--my ears are still ringing.




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"Jim Stewart" wrote in message
.. .

I wished they would make a distinction between "bikers"
and "chopper riders/posers"

The sadsack guy that got the bike went on and on about
how he wanted a bike so bad but couldn't afford one.
Why the fsk didn't he do what we did when we wanted a
bike, buy a beater for $500 and learn how to fix it?

The reality was that he didn't want a bike, he wanted
a $30,000 custom chopper. And that made his life complete.


The thing I get a kick out of it if anyone considered the income tax issue
on OCC giving you a bike! Consider that OCC will probably value the bike at
$40,000 to $50,000, the taxes alone would have made buying the bike you want
look like a good deal!
There was a fellow that won a custom chopper in a local auction. I talked to
him about it one day. He had to pay taxes on the claimed value, $50,000 in
this case, and he has been trying to sell it as he does not want it and
nobody will give him his asking price of $25,000! He has been offered close
$20,000 for it, but he claims it cost him more than $15,000 to "win" the
bike paying the various taxes due. (income and sales tax!) He wishes he had
never won the darned thing, because he figures he will break even on the
deal at best!
These "lucky" people receiving bikes from OCC could probably go buy a new
Harley of their choice for what it will cost them to keep the bike. The only
up side I see is that OCC is still popular enough that they probably could
sell the bike and come out money ahead, but not if they keep it.
Greg


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No surprise. Between them, the Tuttles don't have enough brain power to
light an LED.
JR
Dweller in the cellar

wallster wrote:
I was watching Discovery channel's "American Chopper" last night. In the
past, I've read threads about the disregard of welding helmets while tack
welding, eye protection while grinding, etc. Last night they out did there
lack of safety by filling a balloon with acetylene, setting it on the
ground, pouring gas to it and lighting it. No disclaimer regarding safety
either. Hopefully some yougster won't think that was cool and try it at
home. The fact that filling a balloon with acetylene is really dangerous
(static electricity and kaboom... off with those fingers, hand, face...)
then lighting gasolene (indoors too!) WOW!, makes jackass look like brain
surgery.
I posted a warning on the the shows forum board.
Did anyone else see this show?

walt




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Axle grease and an oxygen feed was a fun mix. Spread axle grease all
over the yard and you didn't even need a ignition source. Never figured
the science.

TR

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ROY DIED????? WOT HAPPON?


"RDF" wrote in message
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I quit watching that show (American Hotrod) just because I wanted to smash
that putz Dwayne in the head with a jack. He really turned me off of the
show. Then Roy croaks and the Boyd Co. fails to mention his passing and
moreover, his contributions and his owed respects as a man in general. I
could easily see Roy doing that. My old mentor was as psycho as they came.
He was always lighting things on fire or shooting Rollocks under the
bathroom stalls off a die grinder while taking a good constitutional with
the Tribune in hand.. Fun times with the "Real masters of the trades"
Then , no respect is shown. I guess I was right for ditching the show.

Respects,

Rob

Fraser Competition Engines
Chicago, IL.
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wallster wrote in article
...
I was watching Discovery channel's "American Chopper" last night. In

the
past, I've read threads about the disregard of welding helmets while

tack

welding, eye protection while grinding, etc. Last night they out did

there
lack of safety by filling a balloon with acetylene, setting it on the
ground, pouring gas to it and lighting it. No disclaimer regarding

safety

either. Hopefully some yougster won't think that was cool and try it at
home. The fact that filling a balloon with acetylene is really

dangerous
(static electricity and kaboom... off with those fingers, hand,

face...)
then lighting gasolene (indoors too!) WOW!, makes jackass look like

brain
surgery.
I posted a warning on the the shows forum board.
Did anyone else see this show?

walt



While I certainly do NOT condone such activity, I find it somewhat
puzzling
that this subject was never brought up when the late metal master "Roy"
used to set off upside-down coffee cups full of acetylene on the

American
HotRod program.

Maybe everbody was hoping Boyd might be walking by when one went

off?????









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"wallster" wrote in message
...
I was watching Discovery channel's "American Chopper" last night. In the
past, I've read threads about the disregard of welding helmets while tack
welding, eye protection while grinding, etc. Last night they out did there
lack of safety by filling a balloon with acetylene, setting it on the
ground, pouring gas to it and lighting it. No disclaimer regarding safety
either. Hopefully some yougster won't think that was cool and try it at
home. The fact that filling a balloon with acetylene is really dangerous
(static electricity and kaboom... off with those fingers, hand, face...)
then lighting gasolene (indoors too!) WOW!, makes jackass look like brain
surgery.
I posted a warning on the the shows forum board.
Did anyone else see this show?

walt


Like any activity where steel is turning red is safe?

Between flammable liquids, fireworks, gunpowder and Tonka toys with sharp
metal edges it's a wonder how any of us survived childhood.

Steve.


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Oh - just live in the high tech area - Si valley as example. Others around.
A tanker truck of liquid Oxygen - and the black macadam - or black top road surface.
All it takes for a cloud of ox across it is to step on it or roll gently a car.

If you see a tanker in a wreck - it can be extremely important to determine
if it is Cardox (CO2) or LOX liquid Oxygen. One freezes the tires/feet the
other explodes the surface you walk on!

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over the yard and you didn't even need a ignition source. Never figured
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"Jim Stewart" wrote in message
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I wished they would make a distinction between "bikers"
and "chopper riders/posers"

The sadsack guy that got the bike went on and on about
how he wanted a bike so bad but couldn't afford one.
Why the fsk didn't he do what we did when we wanted a
bike, buy a beater for $500 and learn how to fix it?

The reality was that he didn't want a bike, he wanted
a $30,000 custom chopper. And that made his life complete.


they made the guy a rigid per his request, he'll regret that after a day
long ride. She had a lot of shiny chrome but i would rather have suspension
instead.


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Tony,
I "heard" he had a massive CVA. I don't know the accuracy of the means of
his passing but yep, unfortunately he passed away a few months ago. I hate
the rumor mill so I won't feed it but he is gone. That's all I can be sure
to repeat.

Respects,

Rob

Fraser Competition Engines
Chicago, IL.
"Tony" wrote in message
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ROY DIED????? WOT HAPPON?


"RDF" wrote in message
...
I quit watching that show (American Hotrod) just because I wanted to
smash
that putz Dwayne in the head with a jack. He really turned me off of the
show. Then Roy croaks and the Boyd Co. fails to mention his passing and
moreover, his contributions and his owed respects as a man in general.
I
could easily see Roy doing that. My old mentor was as psycho as they
came.
He was always lighting things on fire or shooting Rollocks under the
bathroom stalls off a die grinder while taking a good constitutional with
the Tribune in hand.. Fun times with the "Real masters of the trades"
Then , no respect is shown. I guess I was right for ditching the show.

Respects,

Rob

Fraser Competition Engines
Chicago, IL.
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wallster wrote in article
...
I was watching Discovery channel's "American Chopper" last night. In

the
past, I've read threads about the disregard of welding helmets while

tack

welding, eye protection while grinding, etc. Last night they out did
there
lack of safety by filling a balloon with acetylene, setting it on the
ground, pouring gas to it and lighting it. No disclaimer regarding

safety

either. Hopefully some yougster won't think that was cool and try it
at
home. The fact that filling a balloon with acetylene is really

dangerous
(static electricity and kaboom... off with those fingers, hand,

face...)
then lighting gasolene (indoors too!) WOW!, makes jackass look like
brain
surgery.
I posted a warning on the the shows forum board.
Did anyone else see this show?

walt


While I certainly do NOT condone such activity, I find it somewhat
puzzling
that this subject was never brought up when the late metal master "Roy"
used to set off upside-down coffee cups full of acetylene on the

American
HotRod program.

Maybe everbody was hoping Boyd might be walking by when one went

off?????









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Lung cancer.

"RDF" wrote in message
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Tony,
I "heard" he had a massive CVA. I don't know the accuracy of the means
of his passing but yep, unfortunately he passed away a few months ago. I
hate the rumor mill so I won't feed it but he is gone. That's all I can be
sure to repeat.

Respects,

Rob

Fraser Competition Engines
Chicago, IL.
"Tony" wrote in message
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ROY DIED????? WOT HAPPON?



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