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habbi December 20th 03 02:03 PM

diesel for home heating boiler
 
In an emergency could you put kerosene or diesel in your home oil heating
tank? Would it cause any damage?


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ATP December 20th 03 03:55 PM

diesel for home heating boiler
 
habbi wrote:
In an emergency could you put kerosene or diesel in your home oil
heating tank? Would it cause any damage?

Diesel is essentially #2 fuel oil, dyed to foil tax evaders. Kerosene is
lighter than #2, but fine for short periods. Neither will do any damage, I
hate to say I've done it more than a few times when we missed a delivery.



Roy December 20th 03 04:39 PM

diesel for home heating boiler
 
On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 14:03:52 GMT, "habbi"
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I will work. Should not cause any problems. I used to run used motor
oils, old diesel fuels and most anything else that would burn that did
not have a low flash point (I assume its a low flash point such as
gasoline and lac thinners etc) in my old oil burner I used to heat my
shop with when I lived up north. Been running a home shop foundry now
with the same type of unit for a couple of months and burning nothing
but used motor oils and diesel fuels and its just as hot as when I
used heating oil. And it really does not smoke once its good and hot.
I really think used motor oils and diesel is a bit hotter than heating
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Grant Erwin December 20th 03 05:55 PM

diesel for home heating boiler
 
Home heating oil *is* diesel that is slightly less refined than the kind
they sell to use as automotive fuel. It is closely related to kerosene which
is exactly the same only slightly less refined than the fuel they put in
large turbines (Navy ships) or jet airplanes.

I believe the very worst you could do is clog a jet that would take just
minutes to clean out. I say go for it. - GWE

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BEAR December 20th 03 06:36 PM

diesel for home heating boiler
 
In the northeast it is common to fill a tank with a high percentage
of Kero, or all Kero to prevent jelling of the fuel on those -20 degree
days...

I run one of my hot air "oil burners" with nothing but "K-1" or Diesel
fuel all winter. Should work fine. I recommend a very good filter
on your unit IF you use a nozzle that is 0.75gal/hr rating -
the crap that floats in the fuel seems to be just *under* that size
orifice, I can't run a 0.50 nozzle, it always clogs even with the
filter, so I've compromised with a 0.65gal/hr nozzle these days.

If I could run a 0.4 or 0.35 gal/hr nozzle I'd try to... I'd rather
have long slow cycles then fast oil guzzling cycles... I think...

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jim rozen December 20th 03 06:57 PM

diesel for home heating boiler
 
In article , Grant Erwin says...

Home heating oil *is* diesel that is slightly less refined than the kind
they sell to use as automotive fuel. It is closely related to kerosene which
is exactly the same only slightly less refined than the fuel they put in
large turbines (Navy ships) or jet airplanes.

I believe the very worst you could do is clog a jet that would take just
minutes to clean out. I say go for it. - GWE


A close friend of mine used to do this all the time - run down to
the station that sold diesel fuel when he forgot to pay his oil
bill, and the tank was running dry. He used to have a few
five gallon tins used expressly for this purpose.

He never had any problem doing this.

Jim

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Leo Lichtman December 20th 03 09:13 PM

diesel for home heating boiler
 
In an emergency could you put kerosene or diesel in your home oil heating
tank?
^^^^^^^^^^^
It would also be nice if the diesel came from a non-road-taxed source.

When I drove a Toyota diesel truck, I was told that if I ran out of fuel in
a remote location, to look for someplace I could bum some heating oil. So
it works both ways.



Gunner December 20th 03 09:43 PM

diesel for home heating boiler
 
On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 21:13:02 GMT, "Leo Lichtman"
wrote:

In an emergency could you put kerosene or diesel in your home oil heating
tank?
^^^^^^^^^^^
It would also be nice if the diesel came from a non-road-taxed source.

When I drove a Toyota diesel truck, I was told that if I ran out of fuel in
a remote location, to look for someplace I could bum some heating oil. So
it works both ways.

I burn regular diesel in the "torpedo" shop heater. Its easier for me
to get and cheaper than kero in my particular location at $1.59ga USD

Gunner

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Larry Jaques December 20th 03 11:58 PM

diesel for home heating boiler
 
On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 15:55:35 GMT, "ATP"
brought forth from the murky depths:

habbi wrote:
In an emergency could you put kerosene or diesel in your home oil
heating tank? Would it cause any damage?

Diesel is essentially #2 fuel oil, dyed to foil tax evaders. Kerosene is
lighter than #2, but fine for short periods. Neither will do any damage, I
hate to say I've done it more than a few times when we missed a delivery.


Aren't there 2 different types of diesel? I can smell the
difference in trucks when I follow. Some smell clean and
nice, more like jet fuel. Others smell like a candle wick
which has just been snuffed out, very bad and wax-based.


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ATP December 21st 03 12:58 AM

diesel for home heating boiler
 
Larry Jaques wrote:
On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 15:55:35 GMT, "ATP"
brought forth from the murky depths:

habbi wrote:
In an emergency could you put kerosene or diesel in your home oil
heating tank? Would it cause any damage?

Diesel is essentially #2 fuel oil, dyed to foil tax evaders.
Kerosene is lighter than #2, but fine for short periods. Neither
will do any damage, I hate to say I've done it more than a few times
when we missed a delivery.


Aren't there 2 different types of diesel? I can smell the
difference in trucks when I follow. Some smell clean and
nice, more like jet fuel. Others smell like a candle wick
which has just been snuffed out, very bad and wax-based.

There's no choice at the pump that I've seen, although there are different
additives in the winter to retard gelling. Barring the use of biodiesel,
which reportedly smells like french fries, the difference is probably in the
truck powerplants. NY is now doing opacity tests on heavy vehicle
inspections, although I think very old vehicles are exempt.



Joel Corwith December 21st 03 01:57 AM

diesel for home heating boiler
 

"habbi" wrote in message
...
In an emergency could you put kerosene or diesel in your home oil heating
tank? Would it cause any damage?


We had a heating problem just today. Was uncomfortably warm, we had to open
some doors and windows.

Joel. phx






Carl Byrns December 21st 03 02:31 AM

diesel for home heating boiler
 
On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 21:43:42 GMT, Gunner
wrote:


I burn regular diesel in the "torpedo" shop heater. Its easier for me
to get and cheaper than kero in my particular location at $1.59ga USD

Gunner


How's it smell at shutdown compared to kero?
How's the exhaust while running?
Did you have to diddle with the air pressure setting?

-Carl

pyotr filipivich December 21st 03 08:28 AM

diesel for home heating boiler
 
A city wide blackout at Sat, 20 Dec 2003 14:03:52 GMT did not prevent "habbi"
from posting to rec.crafts.metalworking the
following:
In an emergency could you put kerosene or diesel in your home oil heating
tank?


Yes, you could. SHould you? I'd say no on the kerosene, yes for the
diesel. Diesel oil and most heating oils are almost indistinguishable, save for
the taxes. Back in the autoshop we "raided" the heating oil tank a number of
times to get fuel for diesel motors.

Would it cause any damage?


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Gunner December 21st 03 08:43 AM

diesel for home heating boiler
 
On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 02:31:51 GMT, Carl Byrns
wrote:

On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 21:43:42 GMT, Gunner
wrote:


I burn regular diesel in the "torpedo" shop heater. Its easier for me
to get and cheaper than kero in my particular location at $1.59ga USD

Gunner


How's it smell at shutdown compared to kero?
How's the exhaust while running?
Did you have to diddle with the air pressure setting?

-Carl


It seems to run just a smidge hotter, so I just backed off the pump
pressure a fraction of a turn. That was last year. This year the air
pump has packed up, and I ran an air line to the unit from one of the
shop air manifolds, with a regulator on it. If I have an electrical
failure..it will still continue to pump a very fine mist of diesel
until I can hit the shutoff valve. Shrug..Ive tried to fix the air
pump..but it needs replacement

As to the smell..its not much different, more Diesel than kero smell.
The smoke is about the same, once it gets hot, there is little odor.

Gunner

'If you own a gun and have a swimming pool in the yard, the swimming
pool is almost 100 times more likely to kill a child than the gun is.'"
Steven Levitt, UOC prof.

Gunner December 21st 03 08:44 AM

diesel for home heating boiler
 
On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 02:31:51 GMT, Carl Byrns
wrote:

On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 21:43:42 GMT, Gunner
wrote:


I burn regular diesel in the "torpedo" shop heater. Its easier for me
to get and cheaper than kero in my particular location at $1.59ga USD

Gunner


How's it smell at shutdown compared to kero?
How's the exhaust while running?
Did you have to diddle with the air pressure setting?

-Carl


Oh..I should mention this was dug out of a dumpster.

Gunner

'If you own a gun and have a swimming pool in the yard, the swimming
pool is almost 100 times more likely to kill a child than the gun is.'"
Steven Levitt, UOC prof.


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