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Grant Erwin
 
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My shop is made of 2 garages, one built right in front of the other to give
me essentially a double-wide double-long garage. I consider these my outer
shop and inner shop. The outer shop I wired last year and it has 3-phase
running all over it, to six places. I never dreamed I'd use them all. Now
I don't have nearly enough. I'm getting ready to wire up my inner shop the
way I did the outer one. It's going to get it's own phase converter and
this time I'm going to use remote start/stop switches. One of my 3ph machines
is a small cyclone dust collector. I want to put a remote start/stop button on
the belt/disk sander it will be ducted to, but in such a way that if I want to
move the belt/disk sander I can unplug the start/stop button. These don't
carry any appreciable amount of power. I'm wondering if anyone has any bright
ideas about easily disconnectable easily obtainable multi-wire circuits. Phone
wire would be ideal except that the sockets aren't trivial to wire up. The
circuit takes 3 wires, by the way.

Ideas?

Grant Erwin
Kirkland, Washington

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Jim Wilson
 
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Grant Erwin wrote...
I'm wondering if anyone has any bright
ideas about easily disconnectable easily obtainable multi-wire circuits. Phone
wire would be ideal except that the sockets aren't trivial to wire up. The
circuit takes 3 wires, by the way.


I'm think I'm missing something here. What's wrong with phone jacks and
plugs?

Jim
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Jeff Wisnia
 
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Grant Erwin wrote:

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I'm wondering if anyone has any bright ideas about easily disconnectable easily
obtainable multi-wire circuits. Phone wire would be ideal except that the
sockets aren't trivial to wire up. The circuit takes 3 wires, by the way.

Ideas?

Grant Erwin
Kirkland, Washington


You didn't state whether the little bit of power was at low voltage or not. If it
isn't, I'd steer clear of tiny connectors, or anything that isn't rated to carry
the voltage on those circuits. I'd also steeer clear of trying to use regular
power cord "three wire plugs", for obvious reasons.

The venerable "Jones Plug" is still around:

http://www.cinch.com/products/jones_plugs/index.html

They can handle line voltage, are rugged and not likely to be confused with
anything else in your shop. Quite easy to wire up if you have a soldering iron.

I assume you are aware of the little radio control "remote" switches sold for just
the purpose you described. From what I understand they work just great....until
you drop the remote on the floor a couple of times, and it's never where you can
find it anyway.


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Tom Gardner
 
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I have a number of these. I use three conductor Twist-lock plugs and
outlets. Make double sure they are all wired the same or they won't be
interchangable.


"Grant Erwin" wrote in message
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My shop is made of 2 garages, one built right in front of the other to

give
me essentially a double-wide double-long garage. I consider these my outer
shop and inner shop. The outer shop I wired last year and it has 3-phase
running all over it, to six places. I never dreamed I'd use them all. Now
I don't have nearly enough. I'm getting ready to wire up my inner shop the
way I did the outer one. It's going to get it's own phase converter and
this time I'm going to use remote start/stop switches. One of my 3ph

machines
is a small cyclone dust collector. I want to put a remote start/stop

button on
the belt/disk sander it will be ducted to, but in such a way that if I

want to
move the belt/disk sander I can unplug the start/stop button. These don't
carry any appreciable amount of power. I'm wondering if anyone has any

bright
ideas about easily disconnectable easily obtainable multi-wire circuits.

Phone
wire would be ideal except that the sockets aren't trivial to wire up. The
circuit takes 3 wires, by the way.

Ideas?

Grant Erwin
Kirkland, Washington



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jim rozen
 
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In article , Grant Erwin says...

I want to put a remote start/stop button on
the belt/disk sander it will be ducted to, but in such a way that if I want to
move the belt/disk sander I can unplug the start/stop button. These don't
carry any appreciable amount of power.


If you are only looking for a rugged connector that will
take three wires, and be suitable for a shop environment,
my personal choice would be the M/S series electrical
connectors that are available through newark electronics.

A distant second would be Cinch Jones plugs. If they're
tied together with a zip-tie they're not bad. But if
you're only doing a few of these, buy several M/S connectors
that are about the right size to accept something like
18 or 16 SJ cordage.

Three pin connectors like this will set you back about
ten bucks apiece, but they're environmentally sealed,
with o-rings and all. Dust/oil/chip/spooge-proof.

Jim

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Grant Erwin wrote:
I want to put a remote start/stop
button on
the belt/disk sander it will be ducted to, but in such a way that if I
want to
move the belt/disk sander I can unplug the start/stop button. These don't
carry any appreciable amount of power. I'm wondering if anyone has any
bright
ideas about easily disconnectable easily obtainable multi-wire circuits.


circuit takes 3 wires, by the way.




Neutrik Powercon connectors- good and (relatively) cheap.

http://www.neutrik.com/start.asp

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"Grant Erwin" wrote in message
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My shop is made of 2 garages, one built right in front of the other to

give
me essentially a double-wide double-long garage. I consider these my outer
shop and inner shop. The outer shop I wired last year and it has 3-phase
running all over it, to six places. I never dreamed I'd use them all. Now
I don't have nearly enough. I'm getting ready to wire up my inner shop the
way I did the outer one. It's going to get it's own phase converter and
this time I'm going to use remote start/stop switches. One of my 3ph

machines
is a small cyclone dust collector. I want to put a remote start/stop

button on
the belt/disk sander it will be ducted to, but in such a way that if I

want to
move the belt/disk sander I can unplug the start/stop button. These don't
carry any appreciable amount of power. I'm wondering if anyone has any

bright
ideas about easily disconnectable easily obtainable multi-wire circuits.

Phone
wire would be ideal except that the sockets aren't trivial to wire up. The
circuit takes 3 wires, by the way.

Ideas?

Grant Erwin
Kirkland, Washington


How about an RF remote control no need for any wiring or plugs. Available at
Radio Shack and Busy Bee and likely many more sources.

Jack


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Checkmate wrote:

less, T-stat wire will work fine. If it's 120 volts or more, you need
to run everything in conduit.


Since you conceal your location, things may be different there but here
you don't need conduit if the run is 5' or more above the floor.

Ted

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Grant Erwin wrote:

carry any appreciable amount of power. I'm wondering if anyone has any bright
ideas about easily disconnectable easily obtainable multi-wire circuits. Phone
wire would be ideal except that the sockets aren't trivial to wire up. The
circuit takes 3 wires, by the way.


All the sockets I've seen have had screw terminals. The plugs are a
different matter. When I did a bunch of phone wiring, I used a kit from
Radio Shack containing several plugs and a stripper/crimper tool. Very
easy to use.

If you want super quality wire, check Boeing Surplus. Their wire used
to be a real bargain but I haven't been there for several years.
Otherwise, 14-3 Lumex would give you three conductors plus ground and
should be readily available about everywhere.

Ted


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Checkmate wrote:

Line voltage run exposed with no conduit? I don't know of any place in
my neck of the woods (Southern California) where you could legally get
away with that.


The Peoples Republic of Kalifornia is notorious for some of its laws so
I'm not surprised.

Here the plastic sheathed wire is fine if placed at or above five feet
from the floor. (I wired our house and my garage/shop and had no
problem with the toughest inspector in the valley.)

Ted



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OK, OK, I'll use conduit! I normally run 220V coils so this is even worse
than you guys had been talking about. Remember, this is a dust collector
so other than a startle factor it wouldn't hurt much if it did start
unintentionally.

Lots of good ideas, though. Thanks!

Grant Erwin
Kirkland, Washington

As for running control wiring without mechanical protection, there's
always the possibility that insulation could get skinned, and the two
conductors going to the N.O. start button could short out causing a
machine to start unexpectedly. Anything exposed in my shop is run in
EMT.


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Ken Sterling
 
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OK, OK, I'll use conduit! I normally run 220V coils so this is even worse
than you guys had been talking about. Remember, this is a dust collector
so other than a startle factor it wouldn't hurt much if it did start
unintentionally.

Lots of good ideas, though. Thanks!

Grant Erwin
Kirkland, Washington

Grant,
You could always use a 12V relay to kick in the 220v coil - that way
you would only have 12v running around in the shop and the connectors
at each machine could be very light duty. One 12v relay could be
controlled by dozens of "switch lines" running to different machines.
Ken.

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