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Be the Norm Abrams (This Old House) of metalworking
Anybody out there interested in being the Norm Abrams of metal
working? I'm thinking of doing a metalworking video series along the lines of the New Yankee Workshop except for metalworking and needto find an interested experienced machinist/toolmaker/enthusiast to be the "main man". I have an old lathe,several other pieces of shop equipment, a drill press milling table, an old and a new video camera, some video editing equipment, several computers with video editing capabilities,and a garage with room to build a shop. First, understand that this is only an idea. I've never done it before. I have the elements of an idea but not the experience. I have some of the tools but not the know-how. There is no money available but a lot of enthuisiasm. The topics for the show(s) would be the basics: setting up a shop area, rehabilitating an old lathe, choosing basic tooling for the lathe, doing a first turning, milling with minimal equipement, basic precision measuring with calipers, micrometers etc, basic lathe operations, anything and everything an aspiring home metalworker might be interested in. It would be pitched to the public television market. If you live near middle Tennessee and would like to explore the idea further, please let me know. Mike Slowey |
Be the Norm Abrams (This Old House) of metalworking
Mike Slowey wrote:
Anybody out there interested in being the Norm Abrams of metal working? I'm thinking of doing a metalworking video series along the lines of the New Yankee Workshop except for metalworking and needto find an interested experienced machinist/toolmaker/enthusiast to be the "main man". I have an old lathe,several other pieces of shop equipment, a drill press milling table, an old and a new video camera, some video editing equipment, several computers with video editing capabilities,and a garage with room to build a shop. First, understand that this is only an idea. I've never done it before. I have the elements of an idea but not the experience. I have some of the tools but not the know-how. There is no money available but a lot of enthuisiasm. The topics for the show(s) would be the basics: setting up a shop area, rehabilitating an old lathe, choosing basic tooling for the lathe, doing a first turning, milling with minimal equipement, basic precision measuring with calipers, micrometers etc, basic lathe operations, anything and everything an aspiring home metalworker might be interested in. It would be pitched to the public television market. If you live near middle Tennessee and would like to explore the idea further, please let me know. Mike Slowey I spent about 10 years doing video production for a cable local origination channel (not access). I thought about the same concept a number of times, but never did run into a suitable on-air personality. Another problem is the fact that it would have to be a rather large team project with folks who have a lot of time to dedicate in order to make a weekly series. A huge amount of time just to put together the theme/topics/projects for each program, then time to scout locations since you'd want to visit commercial shops for a lot of it, more time to shoot it, post it, market it to cable companies, etc. Significant investment in time and money to get it off the ground. Pete C. |
Be the Norm Abrams (This Old House) of metalworking
"Mike Slowey" wrote: (clip) I'm thinking of doing a metalworking video series along the lines of the New Yankee Workshop except for metalworking (clip) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ In order to do a show that is truly imitative of the Norm Abrams show, you would have to have every high end dedicated power tool known to man. Might be better to do a show patterned after the Roy Underhill show. Has there ever been a metal-working pole lathe? ;-) |
Be the Norm Abrams (This Old House) of metalworking
"Leo Lichtman" wrote in message ... "Mike Slowey" wrote: (clip) I'm thinking of doing a metalworking video series along the lines of the New Yankee Workshop except for metalworking (clip) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ In order to do a show that is truly imitative of the Norm Abrams show, you would have to have every high end dedicated power tool known to man. Might be better to do a show patterned after the Roy Underhill show. Has there ever been a metal-working pole lathe? ;-) The OP's idea is too useful and educational for today's TV shows. There used to be some great how-to shows like Norm's NYW and the above mention Roy Underhill's Woodwright's Shop, a show just on router projects and techniques, a furniture show, Modern Masters which on occasions highlight welding/metalworking inspirations and few more others. Its mostly replaced with shows with high drama depicting incompatible personalities under high pressure working conditions and impossible deadlines - i.e., the new reality motorcycle and hot rod fabrication shows. |
Be the Norm Abrams (This Old House) of metalworking
Its mostly replaced
with shows with high drama depicting incompatible personalities under high pressure working conditions and impossible deadlines - i.e., the new reality motorcycle and hot rod fabrication shows. Thats right. The other night I was giving my son a little lathe lesson making parts for his bicycle, and he kept a running commentary going along the lines on "They've got to get this done tonight or the bike won't be finished in time for the big race etc etc." It took a minute for me to catch on, but then it occurred to me that to him, making parts in a shop always involves crazy deadlines and teetering on the brink stress- just like on TV!! So I stopped and said no, we're going slow and getting it done just right. If we're not finished tonight, oh well... He was quite interested, though, and he really catches on quick. |
Be the Norm Abrams (This Old House) of metalworking
BTW - it's Norm Abram (no "s"). I was in Home Depot once and they had
signs up announcing a promotional visit by Norm. The signs had been printed as "Abrams" and they all had the "s" crossed off. LOL Bob |
Be the Norm Abrams (This Old House) of metalworking
--You might want to take this thread to Jesse James' site; he's
got money, brains and a network that follows him around. He's just about through with MG; this could be his next project! :-) jim rozen wrote: : Actually an interesting thought. Try this on for size: don't : make it just studio, go out on location and visit with several different : HSM types to get a feel for their shops. You can still have : a 'local' project but mix in some material from a variety of : viewpoints. : Antique machinery : Model making : Small business shops : Casting : Home-build NC stuff : Gunsmithing : Car/motorcycle restoration : etc. : Jim : -- : ================================================== : please reply to: : JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com : ================================================== -- "Steamboat Ed" Haas : Doodle doodle dee Hacking the Trailing Edge! : Wubba wubba wubba... http://www.nmpproducts.com/intro.htm ---Decks a-wash in a sea of words--- |
Be the Norm Abrams (This Old House) of metalworking
That'd be a great show, especially for newbies like me who's still just
getting started rehabbing this old South Bend lathe. It's tough to do. Back in the early 90s I did a show "That Darned Computer" for local cable origination. It took a huge crew all week just to get a half an hour into the can. We were really too soon though. The syndication route found no one willing to buy into the fact that anyone would watch a computer/tech oriented how-to/news show. That was about 3 years before ZDTV and CNET TV. Tilman |
Be the Norm Abrams (This Old House) of metalworking
tillius wrote:
That'd be a great show, especially for newbies like me who's still just getting started rehabbing this old South Bend lathe. It's tough to do. Back in the early 90s I did a show "That Darned Computer" for local cable origination. It took a huge crew all week just to get a half an hour into the can. We were really too soon though. The syndication route found no one willing to buy into the fact that anyone would watch a computer/tech oriented how-to/news show. That was about 3 years before ZDTV and CNET TV. Tilman Video production is a little faster and easier now with non-linear editing being the norm. Even so, to produce a seasons worth of a weekly program would probably take a full time crew of about 20 about six months. Pete C. |
Be the Norm Abrams (This Old House) of metalworking
"Pete C." wrote: Video production is a little faster and easier now with non-linear editing being the norm. (clip) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ What is non-linear editing? |
Be the Norm Abrams (This Old House) of metalworking
On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 14:12:36 -0600, Mike Slowey
wrote: Anybody out there interested in being the Norm Abrams of metal working? I'm thinking of doing a metalworking video series along the lines of the New Yankee Workshop except for metalworking and needto find an interested experienced machinist/toolmaker/enthusiast to be the "main man". I have an old lathe,several other pieces of shop equipment, a drill press milling table, an old and a new video camera, some video editing equipment, several computers with video editing capabilities,and a garage with room to build a shop. First, understand that this is only an idea. I've never done it before. I have the elements of an idea but not the experience. I have some of the tools but not the know-how. There is no money available but a lot of enthuisiasm. The topics for the show(s) would be the basics: setting up a shop area, Translation: Someone to help me build my shop. rehabilitating an old lathe, Translation: And help get this old POS lathe I've got working correctly. choosing basic tooling for the lathe, Translation: Take me shopping. doing a first turning, milling with minimal equipement, Translation: And fix this old ****in' miller I found behind a warehouse. basic precision measuring with calipers, micrometers etc, basic lathe operations, anything and everything an aspiring home metalworker might be interested in. Translation: And answer all of my incessant newbie questions from hell. It would be pitched to the public television market. Translation: Th' videos will be thrown in th' garbage after my stuff is done. If you live near middle Tennessee and would like to explore the idea further, please let me know. Translation: C'mon suckah... I know yer out there, heh, heh. Mike Slowey Sorry man, couldn't help m'self. Good luck snerk. Snarl |
Be the Norm Abrams (This Old House) of metalworking
What is non-linear editing?
Linear editing is done tape to tape, so to get to a clip, you have to move forward or backward through the tape. Non-linear editing is possible now because of advances in digital video. With non-linear editing, you can instantly move from one point in video to another in either direction and final output is usually able to be done without generational loss in quality. Computer Generated graphics are also much easier to integrate thanks to advances in digital technology. By the way, on That Darned Computer we did employ early linear editing technology. Even so, it still took 12 of us all week (10 hour days) to put the half hour (21 minutes) in the can. Tillman |
Be the Norm Abrams (This Old House) of metalworking
Leo Lichtman wrote:
"Pete C." wrote: Video production is a little faster and easier now with non-linear editing being the norm. (clip) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ What is non-linear editing? Computer based editing where you can randomly access and arrange / preview segments, as opposed to the old tape based editing where you had to work in an essentially linear fashion building the final edit master and also had to sequentially search through your source tapes for the material you needed. Pete C. |
Be the Norm Abrams (This Old House) of metalworking
In article , Pete C. says...
What is non-linear editing? Computer based editing where you can randomly access and arrange / preview segments, as opposed to the old tape based editing where you had to work in an essentially linear fashion Like a steenbeck table. One step up from a moviola. Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
Be the Norm Abrams (This Old House) of metalworking
It took a minute for me to catch on, but then it occurred to me that to him, making parts in a shop always involves crazy deadlines and teetering on the brink stress- just like on TV!! You mean it doesn't! It sure feels that way to me! :) |
Be the Norm Abrams (This Old House) of metalworking
"Pete C." wrote in message ... Leo Lichtman wrote: "Pete C." wrote: Video production is a little faster and easier now with non-linear editing being the norm. (clip) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ What is non-linear editing? Computer based editing where you can randomly access and arrange / preview segments, as opposed to the old tape based editing where you had to work in an essentially linear fashion building the final edit master and also had to sequentially search through your source tapes for the material you needed. Pete C. cut & paste/drag & drop with video (and associated audio) clips rather than text. |
Be the Norm Abrams (This Old House) of metalworking
jim rozen wrote:
In article , Pete C. says... What is non-linear editing? Computer based editing where you can randomly access and arrange / preview segments, as opposed to the old tape based editing where you had to work in an essentially linear fashion Like a steenbeck table. One step up from a moviola. Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== But usually lower resolution. Of course audio is easier to deal with. Pete C. |
Be the Norm Abrams (This Old House) of metalworking
On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 09:36:30 -0600, Mike Slowey wrote:
Thanks to all for your ideas and information. I am enlightened and informed from all yourideas and suggestions. Admittedly, there is a lot I don't know about doing such a project. And to the last guy, I see how you got your nickname. Just keep snarling from under the porch. Maybe someone will take pity on you and throw you a bone. LOL It's called humor, Mike. You need to grow a thicker skin if you're going to get along in the world of Usenet. |
Be the Norm Abrams (This Old House) of metalworking
On 4 Nov 2005 16:03:06 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote:
On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 09:36:30 -0600, Mike Slowey wrote: Thanks to all for your ideas and information. I am enlightened and informed from all yourideas and suggestions. Admittedly, there is a lot I don't know about doing such a project. And to the last guy, I see how you got your nickname. Just keep snarling from under the porch. Maybe someone will take pity on you and throw you a bone. LOL It's called humor, Mike. You need to grow a thicker skin if you're going to get along in the world of Usenet. You're right, I'm sure. It's only a chigger bite. Not worth the effort to scratch. I stupidly got suckered into responding... And you stupidly got suckered into preaching about it... Such is life. To all who gave useful suggestions, thank you. |
Be the Norm Abrams (This Old House) of metalworking
On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 09:36:30 -0600, Mike Slowey
wrote: Thanks to all for your ideas and information. I am enlightened and informed from all yourideas and suggestions. Admittedly, there is a lot I don't know about doing such a project. And to the last guy, I see how you got your nickname. I don't have a nick name, Snarl is my real, legal, name. Just keep snarling from under the porch. Maybe someone will take pity on you and throw you a bone. LOL Might throw something, but I doubt it'd be edible g. Lighten up Mike, was just havin' some fun, albeit at your expense... 'tis life in th' fast lane of usenet man. We're *all* fair game in here and if getting a little ribbing once in awhile is too much for ya, perhaps growin' a carapice is in order? Snarl... like I said before, good luck |
Be the Norm Abrams (This Old House) of metalworking
On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 13:52:30 -0600, Mike Slowey wrote:
On 4 Nov 2005 16:03:06 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote: It's called humor, Mike. You need to grow a thicker skin if you're going to get along in the world of Usenet. I stupidly got suckered into responding... And you stupidly got suckered into preaching about it... I wasn't preaching, I was trying to _help_ you. Bye, Mike. |
Be the Norm Abrams (This Old House) of metalworking
"Mike Slowey" wrote: (clip) I stupidly got suckered into responding... And you stupidly got suckered into preaching about it... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ And you stupidly continue to show resentment about it. I thought it was pretty funny. Maybe the reason you don't is that it contains more than a grain of truth. |
Be the Norm Abrams (This Old House) of metalworking
You're right, I'm sure. It's only a chigger bite. Not worth the effort
to scratch. You ever got chigger bits - those suckers can irritate you for weeks! DAMHIKT Tillman |
Be the Norm Abrams (This Old House) of metalworking
In article ,
"Leo Lichtman" wrote: "Mike Slowey" wrote: (clip) I stupidly got suckered into responding... And you stupidly got suckered into preaching about it... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ And you stupidly continue to show resentment about it. I thought it was pretty funny. Maybe the reason you don't is that it contains more than a grain of truth. I thought when I went to this newsgroup I would be talking to adult craftsmen honestly interested in sharing their interest in burning and turning metal. I guess I was wrong. I'm cured, now, boys. |
Be the Norm Abrams (This Old House) of metalworking
"Mike Slowey" wrote: I thought when I went to this newsgroup I would be talking to adult craftsmen honestly interested in sharing their interest in burning and turning metal. I guess I was wrong. I'm cured, now, boys. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ If anyone feels a sense of loss because of what I said, I apologize. |
Be the Norm Abrams (This Old House) of metalworking
--All true! Bottom line, tho, is that if we want to grow the
hobby something like this wouldn't hurt. I'd *love* to see a show about machining. I think the real problem with a show like this would be the projects that one would want to present. That is to say, even the longest projects on NYW only take two half-hour segments to complete. I've a feeling that even the *simplest* metalworking project would take two half-hour segments; the really fun ones would take most of a season, yes? -- "Steamboat Ed" Haas : Doodle doodle dee Hacking the Trailing Edge! : Wubba wubba wubba... http://www.nmpproducts.com/intro.htm ---Decks a-wash in a sea of words--- |
Be the Norm Abrams (This Old House) of metalworking
steamer wrote:
--All true! Bottom line, tho, is that if we want to grow the hobby something like this wouldn't hurt. I'd *love* to see a show about machining. I think the real problem with a show like this would be the projects that one would want to present. That is to say, even the longest projects on NYW only take two half-hour segments to complete. I've a feeling that even the *simplest* metalworking project would take two half-hour segments; the really fun ones would take most of a season, yes? -- "Steamboat Ed" Haas : Doodle doodle dee Hacking the Trailing Edge! : Wubba wubba wubba... http://www.nmpproducts.com/intro.htm ---Decks a-wash in a sea of words--- You'd have to heavily time compress it for the short attention span audiences. Even so you could probably still get away with 4-6 episode projects as long as they were interesting enough. One episode can certainly be a composite of a weeks worth of activity and a six week (real time) project is not unreasonable. Pete C. |
Be the Norm Abrams (This Old House) of metalworking
Mike Slowey wrote in article ... I thought when I went to this newsgroup I would be talking to adult craftsmen honestly interested in sharing their interest in burning and turning metal. I guess I was wrong. I'm cured, now, boys. You obviously did NOT lurk around the group before posting, otherwise you would have caught an episode or two of "High School Confidential", "Sesame Street", and "Romper Room". There are a few true metalworking hobbyists here, but they are rapidly being overwhelmed by people who prove that the computer has become "user-friendly" to all levels of intelligence.....even those levels totally lacking any trace of intelligence. |
Be the Norm Abrams (This Old House) of metalworking
On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 22:36:54 -0600, Mike Slowey
wrote: In article , "Leo Lichtman" wrote: "Mike Slowey" wrote: (clip) I stupidly got suckered into responding... And you stupidly got suckered into preaching about it... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ And you stupidly continue to show resentment about it. I thought it was pretty funny. Maybe the reason you don't is that it contains more than a grain of truth. I thought when I went to this newsgroup I would be talking to adult craftsmen honestly interested in sharing their interest in burning and turning metal. I guess I was wrong. I'm cured, now, boys. You've obviously never worked in a machine shop environment surrounded by adult craftsmen. Even in the real world, as opposed to yours fer instance, there's this phenomenon called levity. Not to be confused with a physics term applied to what happens when one straps buttered toast (butter side up) to th' back of a cat, which is then dropped (upside down) from a height of say 4'. That would be a perpetual motion levitation device[1]. However it would also be quite humorous (levity), which is where this adult craftsman is going with this particular diatribe. Humor is commonplace in vocations that involve th' very real potential for very bad things to happen, every day, to those so engaged. Not that it's limited to such professions, mind you, th' concentration is just higher. As is th' IQ of humorists in general. It appears that your humor muscle has been severely strained, perhaps even completely torn. Dr. Snarl prescribes that you thoroughly convalesce prior to returning for further interaction herein. Try th' buttered cat experiment, it's been known to cure torn humor muscles like magic. See! Even thinking about it made ya smile... hope it wasn't too painful. Snarl... or take yer ball and go home [1] Attributions to th' buttered cat theorem goes to th' Mad Feculator, world reknown lead physicist of Cats Ass Technology(tm). |
Be the Norm Abrams (This Old House) of metalworking
In article ,
"Pete C." wrote: steamer wrote: --All true! Bottom line, tho, is that if we want to grow the hobby something like this wouldn't hurt. I'd *love* to see a show about machining. I think the real problem with a show like this would be the projects that one would want to present. That is to say, even the longest projects on NYW only take two half-hour segments to complete. I've a feeling that even the *simplest* metalworking project would take two half-hour segments; the really fun ones would take most of a season, yes? -- "Steamboat Ed" Haas : Doodle doodle dee Hacking the Trailing Edge! : Wubba wubba wubba... http://www.nmpproducts.com/intro.htm ---Decks a-wash in a sea of words--- You'd have to heavily time compress it for the short attention span audiences. Even so you could probably still get away with 4-6 episode projects as long as they were interesting enough. One episode can certainly be a composite of a weeks worth of activity and a six week (real time) project is not unreasonable. Pete C. Okay, guys. I'm over it. Yea, I like humor as much as the next guy. Next time my BS filter will be better tuned to look out for it. That said, let's look at the original idea. There was a considerable response to the idea which says to me that there is the germ of an idea here. And with respect to those of you who have first hand video production experience, I'm sure you're right about all the time and trouble it could cost to do something like this. But. think about this... Suppose each of you who have some metalworking project you are proud of should take movies or stills of your project and then gather them all some place. If you had a place where the more basic ones could be stored, like your companion web-site, or a totally new web site, then suppose you made the site have more appeal by word-of-mouth or other promotion to the general public. Then, after several months do a little site analysis to see what kind of viewership it generated. From this you could get some idea of the amount of interest out there. Assuming there is interest, you already have the web contents of this site "in the can" to show to potential sponsors and you have your viewership data (assuming there is good data and good results). Now, you could feel confident about having a need in the market, and having the people who could meet that need, i.e. those of you that have built the web contents and those of you who contribute in the second step, so you could proceed with getting a little more quality for a second project or second episode. Take a step at a time get the data, get the content, get the need met. Grow a little bit after each step. It could happen. Mike |
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