http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.a...20031024a.html


Confronting Liberals with the facts of reality is very much akin to
clubbing baby seals. It gets boring after a while, but because Liberals are
so stupid it is easy work." Steven M. Barry

In article , Gunner says...

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.a...20031024a.html

Hmm. "Re-victimize." I'm not sure I understand what
that means.

This having been said, I think I'd like law passed that
nobody could sue me, either.

Jim

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On 27 Oct 2003 14:41:14 -0800, jim rozen
wrote:

In article , Gunner says...

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.a...20031024a.html

Hmm. "Re-victimize." I'm not sure I understand what
that means.

This having been said, I think I'd like law passed that
nobody could sue me, either.

Jim

I see your reading comprehension issues have not improved any....sigh.
You really really need to work on it.

"Contrary to the claim of the anti-gun activists, the proposal
specifically authorizes suits for negligence and other factors they
said would be exempted, including lawsuits brought against firearms or
ammunition manufacturers, distributors or dealers for:

illegally selling or otherwise providing guns or ammunition to a
person with the knowledge that they will be used in a violent or drug
trafficking crime;

negligence or negligently providing firearms or ammunition when the
seller knew or should have known that doing so was not safe;

harm directly caused by intentional violations of state or federal
laws concerning the sale or marketing of firearms and ammunition;

breach of contract or warranty in connection with the purchase of the
product; or

physical injuries or property damage resulting directly from a defect
in design or manufacture of the firearm or ammunition, when used as
intended.


In each of the types of lawsuits allowed by the bill, the suit may
proceed only if it is brought by a person directly harmed or injured
by the allegedly illegal or negligent action, or by that person's
estate, if deceased.

Anti-gun mayors and county administrators would no longer be allowed
to sue gun makers in an attempt to recover the costs of medical
treatment for firearms injuries caused by criminals. They could,
however, still sue the criminal who was actually responsible for the
injuries."


Yes Jim..the more I think about it..you NEED to read Unintended
Consequences. If need be..Ill get you a copy.

Gunner


Confronting Liberals with the facts of reality is very much akin to
clubbing baby seals. It gets boring after a while, but because Liberals are
so stupid it is easy work." Steven M. Barry

In article , Gunner says...

;;; If need be..Ill get you a copy.

30 bucks hard cover from B&N last night, plus they would have
had to order it. Ms. Mulligan is doing the online search
thing from the w'chester library system today for me.

Thanks anyway though.

Jim

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Gunner,

Do you have a link to any site that shows who the 55 Senators are that are
voting for this legislation? If you do and could post it I would appreciate it.
I would do it myself but for the next two days I will be away from
civilization.

Dennis

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:38:42 GMT, Gunner
brought forth from the murky depths:

Yes Jim..the more I think about it..you NEED to read Unintended
Consequences. If need be..Ill get you a copy.

I missed the OP. Was one of these books the one you refer to?

"A rage to punish : the unintended consequences of mandatory
sentencing" Author: Forer, Lois G., 1914-
Publisher, Date: New York : Norton, c1994.
ISBN: 0393036413 - Description: 204 p. ; 24 cm.

"Why things bite back: technology and the revenge of unintended
consequences" Author: Tenner, Edward.
Publisher, Date: New York : Knopf, 1996.
ISBN: 0679425632 - Description: xiii, 346 p. ; 24 cm.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...ategory=75 57

You are in luck, Jim. There is one up on eBay right now.

Mike Eberlein

jim rozen wrote:

In article , Gunner says...

;;; If need be..Ill get you a copy.

30 bucks hard cover from B&N last night, plus they would have
had to order it. Ms. Mulligan is doing the online search
thing from the w'chester library system today for me.

Thanks anyway though.

Jim

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On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 02:07:50 GMT, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:38:42 GMT, Gunner
brought forth from the murky depths:

Yes Jim..the more I think about it..you NEED to read Unintended
Consequences. If need be..Ill get you a copy.

I missed the OP. Was one of these books the one you refer to?

"A rage to punish : the unintended consequences of mandatory
sentencing" Author: Forer, Lois G., 1914-
Publisher, Date: New York : Norton, c1994.
ISBN: 0393036413 - Description: 204 p. ; 24 cm.

"Why things bite back: technology and the revenge of unintended
consequences" Author: Tenner, Edward.
Publisher, Date: New York : Knopf, 1996.
ISBN: 0679425632 - Description: xiii, 346 p. ; 24 cm.

Unintended Consequences
John Ross, Foreword by Timothy Mullin
ISBN: 1888118040
Format: Hardcover, 863pp
Pub. Date: December 1996 Publisher: Accurate Press
http://www.accuratepress.net/uc.html

http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/1888...14#reader-link
http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/1888...14#reader-page
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1888118040/ref=cm_rev_all_1/104-4248831-5225514?v=glance&s=books&n=283155&vi=customer-reviews
http://www.john-ross.net/u_c_faq.htm
Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt.

Gunner wrote in message
Confronting Liberals with the facts of reality is very much akin to
clubbing baby seals. It gets boring after a while, but because
Liberals are
so stupid it is easy work." Steven M. Barry



Quick definitions (liberal)

# noun: a person who favors a political philosophy of progress and
reform and the protection of civil liberties

I don't understand which of these concepts you are so opposed to.
In most of your posts you appear to be rational.

On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 08:19:43 GMT, Gunner
brought forth from the murky depths:

On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 02:07:50 GMT, Larry Jaques
wrote:
I missed the OP. Was one of these books the one you refer to?

You're quick! I cancelled that message less than five minutes after
I posted it after seeing subsequent posts about it.

Unintended Consequences
John Ross, Foreword by Timothy Mullin


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---- --Unknown

On 29 Oct 2003 06:22:43 -0800, (Beecrofter) wrote:

Gunner wrote in message
Confronting Liberals with the facts of reality is very much akin to
clubbing baby seals. It gets boring after a while, but because
Liberals are
so stupid it is easy work." Steven M. Barry



Quick definitions (liberal)

# noun: a person who favors a political philosophy of progress and
reform and the protection of civil liberties

I don't understand which of these concepts you are so opposed to.
In most of your posts you appear to be rational.

Thats the problem with quick definitions, rather than looking at what
actually IS is. You gave the definition of Classical Liberal btw. By
actual practice..todays US Liberal should be called a Neo-Lib, and I
have done such. In fact, todays US Liberal has much in common with
Fascism tempered with Socialism.

The definition of liberal has changed much over the years. In the early
19th Century the label was applied to those who believed in limited
government, free trade, personal ownership of guns, and opposed the
antithesis of free trade, war and interventionism. Starting in the early
20th Century thru the mid 1960’s liberal described a supporter of large
intrusive government, controlled trade, and a call for equalitarianism
through socialism, worship of state, war and interventionism. Since the
1960’s liberal has been used to describe those who support a large
intrusive government, social programs, equalitarianism, and are opposed
to personal ownership of guns, and free-trade.

Care to disagree? We can discuss other "definitions" that have little
bearing on actual practice as well.....

Diversity:
"Diversity" is defined as a group that includes a black Marxist, a
lesbian Marxist, a gay Marxist, a Latino Marxist, a transgender Marxist,
a feminist Marxist, a Native American Marxist, and so forth. The one
kind of diversity not permitted is diversity of political view or
values."

You might be a liberal....

You have ever used the phrase "protecting prisoner's rights". You call
the capital punishment "murder" but call murder "pro-choice".

You've ever said "But look at all the good Bill Clinton and Ted Kennedy
has done for the women of this country!"

You argue that the Second Amendment only refers to Federally organized
militias.

You view Jane Fonda as a courageous heroine with strong convictions.

You believe it because "Dan Rather wouldn't lie about something this
important".

You ever based an argument on the phrase, "But they can afford a tax
hike because..."

You've ever argued that with just 1 more year of welfare that person
will turn it around and get off drugs.

You keep count of how many people you know in each racial or ethnic
category.

You believe that a few hundred loggers can find another career, but the
defenseless spotted owl must live in its preferred tree.

You feel that Green Peace is misunderstood.

You've tried to argue in favor of anything based on "Well, they're gonna
do it anyway so....".

You've ever stated "How does what he does in his personal life have any
bearing on doing his job?"

You don't understand all the commotion about Whitewater, Vince Foster,
selling US foreign policy for campaign contributions, it's just
politics, right?

Upon hearing that President Clinton committed a rape and murder as part
of Whitewater, you replied, "So what?"

You are not shocked when someone says "F---" but are profoundly shocked
when someone says"N-----".

You are against sexual harrasment except when committed by Senator
Kennedy.

You think heterosexual love is a male chauvinist plot to oppress women.

You own an espresso maker, a cusinart, a vibrator, and a heated water
bed and yet oppose off shore oil drilling and the construction of
nuclear power plants.

You think that the Unabomber might have a good point.

You think George W. Bush is a bigger threat to world peace than Saddam
Hussein...

You think every problem is the direct result of the government not
spending enough to solve it...

You think making $100,000 /yr makes you "rich"...

You think Fox News is a biased network, and Al Jazeerah isn't...

You think suicide bombers and other terrorists are "militants"...

The answer to every problem in the Middle East is the end of Israel...

You think Castro is anything other than a petty dictator...

You think a tax cut is bad for, but a tax hike helps the poor...

You think the Dixie Chicks and Tim Robbins should say what they want,
but O'reilly, Hannity, and Limbaugh should shut up...

You trust CNN for anything beyond the current temperature...

You think SUVs are supportive of terrorists, but houses with 19 car
garages are AOK...

You think wanting the US to win a war is jingoistic...

You think the deaths of soldiers is preferrable to another term of GWB
as President...

You think FAIR, is...

You liken the Perdue factory to a concentration camp...

You think Clinton was a paragon of ethics...

You think the 2000 election was "stolen"...

You feel my pain...

You think "choice" applies only to abortion...

You think Mumia is a political prisoner...

You think the word "unilateral" is defined as "without France, Germany,
and Russia"...

You think that every misbehaving child has ADD or needs therapy...

You're still convinced there are no infidels in Baghdad...

You believe that AIDS is spread by a lack of federal funding.

If you think polls should dictate morality.

You think that consenting adults can engage freely in every activity
except capitalism.

You believe that Clarence Thomas is corrupt, but Janet Reno is doing a
good job.

You think the really alarming violence takes place outside the abortion
clinic.

You believe that global warming is caused by white Europeans and not a
normal fluctuation of the Earth's weather patterns.

You pray to "The Woman Upstairs."

You pale at the execution of child killers, but defend the killing of
unborn children as an expression of choice...

You think we never gave peace a chance.

You believe the National Rifle Associations helps criminals while the
American Civil Liberties Union protects the innocent.

You feel good about the MicroSoft court case.

You protested American intervention in Vietnam, but support American
intervention in Haiti, Somalia, and Bosnia.

You think the real evil is American oil and tobacco companies and not
Cuba or China.

You begin sentences with the words "I feel."

Your driver's license has a hyphen because for you one last name just
isn't enough.

You don't think "All in the Family" is a very funny program, but watch
it anyway because Meathead makes a lot of sense.

You think OJ is out looking for the real killers.

You think it takes a village.

You think that the words "to promote the general welfare" in the
Constitution mean to promote welfare generally.

You think that, even though more people voted against him than for him
in both the 1992 and the 1996 presidential elections, Bill Clinton had a
mandate.

You think that conservatives, like preservatives, ought to be federally
regulated.

You ever wore earth shoes.

You think sexual harassment is rampant, date rape pervasive, domestic
violence common and Paula Jones is lying.

You believe Anita Hill, but think

You can't figure out how Ronald Reagan won 49 states in 1984.

You have ever wondered out loud, "Why can't we all just get along?"

You think the New York Times prints all the news that's fit.

You think that Rush Limbaugh is just an entertainer.

You think Jesse Jackson is a good spokesman for the black community.

You spent Columbus Day reading Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee.

You reach the limits of your talent and then complain that you ran into
a glass ceiling.

You wear more ribbons on your lapel than in your hair.

You think that the really dangerous McCarthy was Joe, not Eugene.

You blame the Unabomber's parents.

You fail to see the connection between Lenin and Lennon.

You have ever agreed with Martin Sheen or Barbra Streisand...

you've ever left your sociology class thinking, "That professor really
knows what he/she/it is talking about."

you associate the words "model American" with "Bill Clinton"

you think Dan Rather represents media impartiality

your response to anything Rush Limbaugh says is, "Well, he's fat."

the first word in the description of your hair color is "neon"

you've ever tried to protect the ozone layer

you've stood for animal rights, but wear leather belts and sandals

you've ever given a dollar to a bum so he can buy more liquor ... ummm
.... food

you ever use the words "Clarence Thomas" and "Uncle Tom" in the same
sentence

you are a vegan

you have a bumper sticker that says "You Can't Hug With Nuclear Arms" on
your car

you believe diversity represents the extinction of the white race

you've ever walked around carrying one of those Javahhh mugs

you pay a 185 percent markup for organically grown food

you cheered for "Obstructing Justice Simpson" last Tuesday at 1 p.m.

you don't think it's right to kill rapists and murderers, but do think
it's right to kill babies

you have anything to do with the Compassionate Living Fair

you want more funding for AIDS research but less for cancer, despite the
fact that cancer kills many more people per year

you have the entire menu at Cup-A-Joe memorized

you consider yourself open-minded but refuse to listen to anything Jesse
Helms has to say

you abhor censorship unless it's censoring race, religion, Conservatism,
Western culture or Rush Limbaugh

you found yourself unemployed after this past November's election

you're a dope smoker or a womanizer ... oh, sorry, that's "You might be
a Clinton cabinet official if ..."

you're the dolt who stole the "Helms '96" bumper sticker from my car

you think the phrase, "... separation of church and state" is in the
Constitution

you cry, "You can't legislate morality," but defend the Roe v. Wade
decision in order to legalize your moral position on abortion

you stay informed by watching MTV News

you have an "I'm Straight But Not Narrow" button pinned to your book bag

there is a ring in any part of your head other than your ears

you think religion is bad for school kids to learn, but think condom
giveaways are just what schools need

you molest campaign workers, then lie about it on national television
.... oops, my mistake again, that's "You might be Mel Reynolds if ..."

you think Jesse Jackson is a good spokesman for the black community

you think Jesse Jackson is good at anything

you lie in bed at night worried that Pat Robertson might be out to get
you

you attribute the rising illegitimacy rate, crime rate or problems in
the inner city to Ronald Reagan

you've ever held up a grocery store line trying to pick between plastic,
which isn't biodegradable, or paper, which cuts down innocent trees

you think the National Organization for Women is made up of average
heterosexual women with no lesbian agenda

you're on the committee to construct the Gay Jewish Women's Cultural
Center -- there's a slight chance you're a liberal

you blame Ronald Reagan and George Bush, but not the spend-happy
"Democrooks" for the huge national debt

banning assault weapons is your solution to end crime (what do you mean
punish the criminals?)

you tell me how to live by telling me I can't tell people how to live
And finally ...
you think Ted Kennedy is sober and monogamous.



Care to discuss the topic?
EG

Gunner

Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt.

In article , Gunner says...

... Since the
1960’s liberal has been used to describe those who support a large
intrusive government, ...

Oh, right. Like that liberal jeb bush intruding on that man's
life in florida.

Jim

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On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 16:43:32 GMT, Gunner
brought forth from the murky depths:

You think George W. Bush is a bigger threat to world peace than Saddam
Hussein...

You don't?!?

You trust CNN for anything beyond the current temperature...

You trust 'em for the weather?


the first word in the description of your hair color is "neon"

Yours isn't?


you pay a 185 percent markup for organically grown food

Yeah, what is it with that yuppie crap, anyway? By spending
NO money on pesticides and growing healthy crops which pests
leave alone, the cost should be less than Clone-Grown foods.


you don't think it's right to kill rapists and murderers, but do think
it's right to kill babies

KEAALGSEO!


you think Jesse Jackson is a good spokesman for the black community

Isn't he the most bigoted man in America?


you blame Ronald Reagan and George Bush, but not the spend-happy
"Democrooks" for the huge national debt

Shrub's no slouch when it comes to wast^H^H^H^Hspending our
hard-earned ducats, dude.


Care to discuss the topic?
I'm not Beecrofter, but I'll have to answer "Not just now.
I have to go out to the truck to remove the "NUKE THE GAY
BABY WHALES FOR JESUS" bumper sticker. Someone might come
by and mistake me as still being somewhat conservative.

Great list, BTW.


Almost a metalworking question: Who carries the new ceramic
bladed knives? I'd like to try a Boker, etc. chef's knife.

P.S: Hey, Gunner. How come your Governator hasn't terminated
all those fires yet?


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On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 16:43:32 GMT, Gunner
wrote:

Good post Gunner, I read every damn word and I saw myself in there
several time but not every time. So I guess I am still somewhere in
the middle of it all.

Is this one an incomplete statement?

You believe Anita Hill, but think


I could turn it into a multiple choice question but all the choices I
can think of would paint me as a sexist or a bigot. :)


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On 29 Oct 2003 10:10:52 -0800, jim rozen
wrote:

In article , Gunner says...

... Since the
1960’s liberal has been used to describe those who support a large
intrusive government, ...

Oh, right. Like that liberal jeb bush intruding on that man's
life in florida.

Jim

You mean the man whom wants to kill his wife? If she had been an
abortion, you would be all for the government not only stepping in, but
providing it for free.

Gunner

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On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 21:44:49 GMT, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 16:43:32 GMT, Gunner
brought forth from the murky depths:

You think George W. Bush is a bigger threat to world peace than Saddam
Hussein...

You don't?!?

Only the peace of Islamic Terrorists.

You trust CNN for anything beyond the current temperature...

You trust 'em for the weather?

Nope..just the temp.


the first word in the description of your hair color is "neon"

Yours isn't?

Nope.

you pay a 185 percent markup for organically grown food

Yeah, what is it with that yuppie crap, anyway? By spending
NO money on pesticides and growing healthy crops which pests
leave alone, the cost should be less than Clone-Grown foods.

Lots of pesticide free organically grown food available much cheaper.
Including that grown in my own garden.

you don't think it's right to kill rapists and murderers, but do think
it's right to kill babies

KEAALGSEO!
??



you think Jesse Jackson is a good spokesman for the black community

Isn't he the most bigoted man in America?

No..I think its a tossup between him, Farrakan and Al Sharpton. All
Liberal Dems btw....


you blame Ronald Reagan and George Bush, but not the spend-happy
"Democrooks" for the huge national debt

Shrub's no slouch when it comes to wast^H^H^H^Hspending our
hard-earned ducats, dude.

True. Your point is?


Care to discuss the topic?
I'm not Beecrofter, but I'll have to answer "Not just now.
I have to go out to the truck to remove the "NUKE THE GAY
BABY WHALES FOR JESUS" bumper sticker. Someone might come
by and mistake me as still being somewhat conservative.

Your not?

Great list, BTW.


Almost a metalworking question: Who carries the new ceramic
bladed knives? I'd like to try a Boker, etc. chef's knife.

Boker, Junglee and there are a goodly number of Japanese ones available.

P.S: Hey, Gunner. How come your Governator hasn't terminated
all those fires yet?

He hasnt been sworn in yet, nor will he be for some time. So not only
did the Dems bankrupt California..they are trying to burn it down. I
suspect this is similar to the Russians scorched earth policy....
G

Gunner

Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt.

On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 17:50:57 -0500, Jack Erbes
wrote:

On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 16:43:32 GMT, Gunner
wrote:

Good post Gunner, I read every damn word and I saw myself in there
several time but not every time. So I guess I am still somewhere in
the middle of it all.

Is this one an incomplete statement?

You believe Anita Hill, but think


I could turn it into a multiple choice question but all the choices I
can think of would paint me as a sexist or a bigot. :)

It was supposed to be something on the order of " but think Clarence
Thomas is a lying rat *******"

G

Gunner

Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt.

Care to discuss the topic?
EG

Gunner

No, you're an idiot.

On 29 Oct 2003 19:32:08 -0800, (Beecrofter) wrote:




Care to discuss the topic?
EG

Gunner

No, you're an idiot.

So, when you are unable to discuss the topic in a reasonable and
rational manner, using facts and data to back up your side, and finding
yourself both without the ability or the data to do so, you must resort
to ad hominem attacks.

Interesting.

Really doesn't say much for your intelligence, your skills at logic or
reason, or your grasp of much, beyond raw emotionalism.

Thank you for your opinion. And as we all know..opinions are like ass
holes, everyone has one and they all stink.

At this point, am I supposed to call you a doo doo head or something,
to make you feel superior and reinforce your self esteem?

Sorry, I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed individual
such as yourself. I ferverently hope you have a better grasp of
machining, than you do of politics or history.

Gunner

Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt.

On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 03:28:26 GMT, Gunner
brought forth from the murky depths:

Only the peace of Islamic Terrorists.

I don't see how stirring up the Islamics (not just terrorists) is
going to do us any good in the short or long term. Haven't we already
lost more men in combat over there than they* killed in killed on
9/11? The more I read in Kaplan's "The Coming Anarchy", the more I
fear about what's happening right now. Can we go back to semi-iso
status now, please?


*And who is "they"? It wasn't SadDamn but likely was our "friends",
the Saudis.


You trust CNN for anything beyond the current temperature...

You trust 'em for the weather?

Nope..just the temp.

Pushover.


the first word in the description of your hair color is "neon"

Yours isn't?

Nope.

g


Lots of pesticide free organically grown food available much cheaper.
Including that grown in my own garden.

Mine, too. Sweet Basil, acorn squash, broccoli, and lemon basil.
Next year I'll have corn and green beans, too.


you don't think it's right to kill rapists and murderers, but do think
it's right to kill babies

KEAALGSEO!
??

2 popular sayings back in the Gulf War days were "Kill 'em all and
let God sort 'em out!" and "Nuke 'em 'til they glow and shoot 'em
in the dark."



you think Jesse Jackson is a good spokesman for the black community

Isn't he the most bigoted man in America?

No..I think its a tossup between him, Farrakan and Al Sharpton. All
Liberal Dems btw....

Indeed. I can't believe Sharpton got 8% in the poll last weekend.
Single-Digit-IQ Voters LIVE!


Shrub's no slouch when it comes to wast^H^H^H^Hspending our
hard-earned ducats, dude.

True. Your point is?

I'm against any waste of our money. It's too hard to get in
the first place.


Care to discuss the topic?
I'm not Beecrofter, but I'll have to answer "Not just now.
I have to go out to the truck to remove the "NUKE THE GAY
BABY WHALES FOR JESUS" bumper sticker. Someone might come
by and mistake me as still being somewhat conservative.

Your not?

I'm a liberally moderate conservative, I guess.


Boker, Junglee and there are a goodly number of Japanese ones available.

But who has the good prices, man?


P.S: Hey, Gunner. How come your Governator hasn't terminated
all those fires yet?

He hasnt been sworn in yet, nor will he be for some time. So not only

I heard he was in D.C., sitting in a RECALL chair for the Shrub.
sigh


did the Dems bankrupt California..they are trying to burn it down. I
suspect this is similar to the Russians scorched earth policy....
G

I wouldn't put it past Gray Davis. He's done everything BUT
so far. I was very, very happy to leave CA in Feb 2002, let
me tell you. Best thing I ever did.


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---- --Unknown

On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 05:11:10 GMT, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 03:28:26 GMT, Gunner
brought forth from the murky depths:

Only the peace of Islamic Terrorists.

I don't see how stirring up the Islamics (not just terrorists) is
going to do us any good in the short or long term. Haven't we already
lost more men in combat over there than they* killed in killed on
9/11?

Not by any order of magnitude as of yet. And given the original WTC
bombing, Lockerby, Leon Klinghoffer, etc etc etc..seems the towelheads
didnt need us to stir things up, from the gitgo.

The more I read in Kaplan's "The Coming Anarchy", the more I
fear about what's happening right now. Can we go back to semi-iso
status now, please?


*And who is "they"? It wasn't SadDamn but likely was our "friends",
the Saudis.

Sure was...at least some of them. Oddly enough..all three of the honcho
Saudies alleged to have been involved..have died accidently. Cleaning
the weasels out of the hen house sometimes is a messy job.


You trust CNN for anything beyond the current temperature...

You trust 'em for the weather?

Nope..just the temp.

Pushover.

What can I say...sigh.


the first word in the description of your hair color is "neon"

Yours isn't?

Nope.

g


Lots of pesticide free organically grown food available much cheaper.
Including that grown in my own garden.

Mine, too. Sweet Basil, acorn squash, broccoli, and lemon basil.
Next year I'll have corn and green beans, too.

My Thompson Seedless grapes really produced this year, though I cut down
the peach trees. We got damned sick of them, as did all of the
neighbors.


you don't think it's right to kill rapists and murderers, but do think
it's right to kill babies

KEAALGSEO!
??

2 popular sayings back in the Gulf War days were "Kill 'em all and
let God sort 'em out!" and "Nuke 'em 'til they glow and shoot 'em
in the dark."

AH!!


you think Jesse Jackson is a good spokesman for the black community

Isn't he the most bigoted man in America?

No..I think its a tossup between him, Farrakan and Al Sharpton. All
Liberal Dems btw....

Indeed. I can't believe Sharpton got 8% in the poll last weekend.
Single-Digit-IQ Voters LIVE!

Ayup.


Shrub's no slouch when it comes to wast^H^H^H^Hspending our
hard-earned ducats, dude.

True. Your point is?

I'm against any waste of our money. It's too hard to get in
the first place.

Hell, just turn a Lib loose, they (and the IRS) can get money from a
stone. Or the Chinese Communists....just ask Algor.


Care to discuss the topic?
I'm not Beecrofter, but I'll have to answer "Not just now.
I have to go out to the truck to remove the "NUKE THE GAY
BABY WHALES FOR JESUS" bumper sticker. Someone might come
by and mistake me as still being somewhat conservative.

Your not?

I'm a liberally moderate conservative, I guess.

Good man. The first steps are always the hardest.


Boker, Junglee and there are a goodly number of Japanese ones available.

But who has the good prices, man?

ask over on rec.knives, or check www.bladeforum.com


P.S: Hey, Gunner. How come your Governator hasn't terminated
all those fires yet?

He hasnt been sworn in yet, nor will he be for some time. So not only

I heard he was in D.C., sitting in a RECALL chair for the Shrub.
sigh

Chuckle...


did the Dems bankrupt California..they are trying to burn it down. I
suspect this is similar to the Russians scorched earth policy....
G

I wouldn't put it past Gray Davis. He's done everything BUT
so far. I was very, very happy to leave CA in Feb 2002, let
me tell you. Best thing I ever did.

I wish I could do the same.

Gunner


"The importance of morality is that people behave themselves even if
nobody's watching. There are not enough cops and laws to replace
personal morality as a means to produce a civilized society. Indeed,
the police and criminal justice system are the last desperate line of
defense for a civilized society. Unfortunately, too many of us see
police, laws and the criminal justice system as society's first line
of defense." --Walter Williams

On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 11:23:13 GMT, Gunner
brought forth from the murky depths:

Sure was...at least some of them. Oddly enough..all three of the honcho
Saudies alleged to have been involved..have died accidently. Cleaning
the weasels out of the hen house sometimes is a messy job.

That was a -lot- cleaner (and just a bit quieter) than unilateral
occupation of a country which didn't have anythig to do with the
bombing which prompted it. I don't like the lies from D.C. _ever_,
no matter which of our two thorougly corrupt parties is in charge.


My Thompson Seedless grapes really produced this year, though I cut down
the peach trees. We got damned sick of them, as did all of the
neighbors.

Oh, I have some of those, too. The one I watered did well, the one
I forgot half the time did not. Imagine that. I have two apples and
a plum tree. All did poorly this season after breaking branches with
abundance last year. I'll trim them properly this year and expect the
bumper crop once again. I have a neighbor lady who likes my plums and
is trained to make apple pies for me. Win/win, wot?


Hell, just turn a Lib loose, they (and the IRS) can get money from a
stone. Or the Chinese Communists....just ask Algor.

Shrub is awfully, awfully libby lookin' right about now.
I see few differences in the parties today and vote indy
as a result.


I'm a liberally moderate conservative, I guess.

Good man. The first steps are always the hardest.

g


ask over on rec.knives, or check www.bladeforum.com

rec.knives? Why didn't I think of that? I belong to a barter
group and am trying to find someone with one who will take
BXI bucks. (I have a couple grand to spare.) One of those
forums might provide it. Thanks.


I wouldn't put it past Gray Davis. He's done everything BUT
so far. I was very, very happy to leave CA in Feb 2002, let
me tell you. Best thing I ever did.

I wish I could do the same.

Come on up, the weather's fine. (But bring lots of wax. Big
arn tends to get redder up here than it did in LoCal.)


"The importance of morality is that people behave themselves even if
nobody's watching. There are not enough cops and laws to replace
personal morality as a means to produce a civilized society. Indeed,
the police and criminal justice system are the last desperate line of
defense for a civilized society. Unfortunately, too many of us see
police, laws and the criminal justice system as society's first line
of defense." --Walter Williams

Amen! Ping me offline, will ya?


--
Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life.
---- --Unknown

And lo, it came about, that on Thu, 30 Oct 2003 03:28:26 GMT in
rec.crafts.metalworking , Gunner was inspired to utter:


P.S: Hey, Gunner. How come your Governator hasn't terminated
all those fires yet?

He hasnt been sworn in yet, nor will he be for some time. So not only
did the Dems bankrupt California..they are trying to burn it down. I
suspect this is similar to the Russians scorched earth policy....

Someone should check to see what level of insurance the State of California
is carrying. I'm not saying that the Democrats are burning the state up for
the insurance money ....


--
pyotr filipivich
The cliche is that history rarely repeats herself. Usually she just
lets fly with a frying pan and yells "Why weren't you listening
the first time!?"

On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 23:56:41 GMT, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

And lo, it came about, that on Thu, 30 Oct 2003 03:28:26 GMT in
rec.crafts.metalworking , Gunner was inspired to utter:


P.S: Hey, Gunner. How come your Governator hasn't terminated
all those fires yet?

He hasnt been sworn in yet, nor will he be for some time. So not only
did the Dems bankrupt California..they are trying to burn it down. I
suspect this is similar to the Russians scorched earth policy....

Someone should check to see what level of insurance the State of California
is carrying. I'm not saying that the Democrats are burning the state up for
the insurance money ....

Follow the money..and see whom the payees are ....G Gray Davis might
be enlarging his retirement nest egg.

Gunner

Confronting Liberals with the facts of reality is very much akin to
clubbing baby seals. It gets boring after a while, but because Liberals are
so stupid it is easy work." Steven M. Barry