Where are all these mythical people? I have a friend who ............ my
brother-in-law ......... my neighbor .......... etc.

Why don't we hear directly from them on metalworking subjects?

Why don't we hear the words "I" and "me" more often? Like "I" can do, and
"I" did, and "I" made?

If these people are welding underwater in the North Sea making $900 an hour,
why can't they afford a computer? If they are doing so well at
metalworking, why is it that they are so ethereal?

I can understand why anyone working on nuclear subs, or NASA wouldn't post,
or who has or has had a clearance, and those bound by nondisclosure
agreements, but why not all the rest of these other mythical beings?

Just some thoughts from the fringe ................. As I get older, I
ponder more things .........

Steve

"Harold and Susan Vordos" wrote in message


Could it be because they have no interest in posting in general, or RCM
specifically? I worked with well over 100 guys when I broke into the
trade, many of whom (more than ten) went on to found machine shops that
enjoyed multiple levels of success. From all of these guys, I'm the
only
one that I know of that follows any of the news groups.

It's pretty simple----it's not everyone's cup of tea, and even when it is,
some of them lurk only----not everyone has my strange propensity to
post-------nor do they care to.

You want something beyond ethereal? The fellow of whom I spoke in a
different thread that is self taught and is (was) certified in TIG welding
is in West Jordan, Utah-----and is the owner of Pulley's Custom
Manufacturing. That's some information you can sink your teeth into,
and
verify that which I claim if you have doubts.

It's not BS------he did outstanding work-----work that rivaled the full
time
certified weldors with which we both used to work when we went through our
apprenticeships at the missile facility.

Harold



Ah, yes. BTW, did I ever tell you about my friend who welded on the moon
and got the astronauts back safely? ...................

"SteveB" wrote in message
news:4ow4f.17100$fE5.8962@fed1read06...
Where are all these mythical people? I have a friend who ............ my
brother-in-law ......... my neighbor .......... etc.

Why don't we hear directly from them on metalworking subjects?

Why don't we hear the words "I" and "me" more often? Like "I" can do, and
"I" did, and "I" made?

If these people are welding underwater in the North Sea making $900 an
hour,
why can't they afford a computer? If they are doing so well at
metalworking, why is it that they are so ethereal?

I can understand why anyone working on nuclear subs, or NASA wouldn't
post,
or who has or has had a clearance, and those bound by nondisclosure
agreements, but why not all the rest of these other mythical beings?

Just some thoughts from the fringe ................. As I get older, I
ponder more things .........

Steve


Could it be because they have no interest in posting in general, or RCM
specifically? I worked with well over 100 guys when I broke into the
trade, many of whom (more than ten) went on to found machine shops that
enjoyed multiple levels of success. From all of these guys, I'm the only
one that I know of that follows any of the news groups.

It's pretty simple----it's not everyone's cup of tea, and even when it is,
some of them lurk only----not everyone has my strange propensity to
post-------nor do they care to.

You want something beyond ethereal? The fellow of whom I spoke in a
different thread that is self taught and is (was) certified in TIG welding
is in West Jordan, Utah-----and is the owner of Pulley's Custom
Manufacturing. That's some information you can sink your teeth into, and
verify that which I claim if you have doubts.

It's not BS------he did outstanding work-----work that rivaled the full time
certified weldors with which we both used to work when we went through our
apprenticeships at the missile facility.

Harold

"Harold and Susan Vordos" wrote

certified weldors with which we both used to work when we went through our
apprenticeships at the missile facility.

Harold


Do you routinely discuss work at the "missile facility" online? You might
want to refer to your security clearance, (that thing they gave you after
the thorough background investigation by the FBI) or the nondisclosure
agreement you signed. People who work at such facilities are forbidden from
engaging in such discussions, and are instructed to report anyone who
pressures them for information or asks inappropriate questions. Even those
performing menial unskilled work. They are never to discuss what they did,
job title, job description, duties, where they worked, their hours, people
they worked with, scheduling, what they saw, anything that has to do with
that job or area. There is place for violators, and it is (or used to be)
in Leavenworth, Kansas. Blabbermouths can also lose pension and benefits.

But you knew that already, right?

This wasn't a fireworks factory, was it?

Was this "missile facility" one of ours?

Steve

"SteveB" wrote in message
news:PTw4f.17106$fE5.16178@fed1read06...

"Harold and Susan Vordos" wrote in message


Could it be because they have no interest in posting in general, or RCM
specifically? I worked with well over 100 guys when I broke into the
trade, many of whom (more than ten) went on to found machine shops that
enjoyed multiple levels of success. From all of these guys, I'm the
only
one that I know of that follows any of the news groups.

It's pretty simple----it's not everyone's cup of tea, and even when it
is,
some of them lurk only----not everyone has my strange propensity to
post-------nor do they care to.

You want something beyond ethereal? The fellow of whom I spoke in a
different thread that is self taught and is (was) certified in TIG
welding
is in West Jordan, Utah-----and is the owner of Pulley's Custom
Manufacturing. That's some information you can sink your teeth into,
and
verify that which I claim if you have doubts.

It's not BS------he did outstanding work-----work that rivaled the full
time
certified weldors with which we both used to work when we went through
our
apprenticeships at the missile facility.

Harold



Ah, yes. BTW, did I ever tell you about my friend who welded on the moon
and got the astronauts back safely? ...................




Bite me, Steve.

H

SteveB wrote:

Where are all these mythical people? I have a friend who ............ my
brother-in-law ......... my neighbor .......... etc.

Why don't we hear directly from them on metalworking subjects?

Why don't we hear the words "I" and "me" more often? Like "I" can do, and
"I" did, and "I" made?

If these people are welding underwater in the North Sea making $900 an hour,
why can't they afford a computer? If they are doing so well at
metalworking, why is it that they are so ethereal?

I can understand why anyone working on nuclear subs, or NASA wouldn't post,
or who has or has had a clearance, and those bound by nondisclosure
agreements, but why not all the rest of these other mythical beings?

Wow, a welder with a personality of a rock star...

It's more fun to make chips and beads that to stew
about the truthfulness of usenet posts...

On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 11:56:13 -0700, Jim Stewart
wrote:

SteveB wrote:

Where are all these mythical people? I have a friend who ............ my
brother-in-law ......... my neighbor .......... etc.

Why don't we hear directly from them on metalworking subjects?

Why don't we hear the words "I" and "me" more often? Like "I" can do, and
"I" did, and "I" made?

If these people are welding underwater in the North Sea making $900 an hour,
why can't they afford a computer? If they are doing so well at
metalworking, why is it that they are so ethereal?

I can understand why anyone working on nuclear subs, or NASA wouldn't post,
or who has or has had a clearance, and those bound by nondisclosure
agreements, but why not all the rest of these other mythical beings?

Wow, a welder with a personality of a rock star...

It's more fun to make chips and beads that to stew
about the truthfulness of usenet posts...


Amen. Not to mention, he's crossposting this rant to rcm where most
of us are hobbyists. Apparently, he's the only REAL welder on the
planet.

SteveB, .....
....
...
..

"SteveB" wrote in message
news:V5x4f.17110$fE5.14080@fed1read06...

"Harold and Susan Vordos" wrote

certified weldors with which we both used to work when we went through
our
apprenticeships at the missile facility.

Harold


Do you routinely discuss work at the "missile facility" online? You might
want to refer to your security clearance, (that thing they gave you after
the thorough background investigation by the FBI) or the nondisclosure
agreement you signed. People who work at such facilities are forbidden
from
engaging in such discussions, and are instructed to report anyone who
pressures them for information or asks inappropriate questions. Even
those
performing menial unskilled work. They are never to discuss what they
did,
job title, job description, duties, where they worked, their hours, people
they worked with, scheduling, what they saw, anything that has to do with
that job or area. There is place for violators, and it is (or used to be)
in Leavenworth, Kansas. Blabbermouths can also lose pension and benefits.

But you knew that already, right?

This wasn't a fireworks factory, was it?

Was this "missile facility" one of ours?

Steve



Considering the missile in question was phased out over 25 years ago, and is
no longer a part of our defense system, and for multiple good reasons, I'm
not convinced that anyone is too concerned about my disclosing anything that
isn't public knowledge at this point. Further, about the only thing you,
or anyone else, can deduct from my ravings might be W's hat size.

You know, Steve, you're truly a boor. My offer still stands. Bite me.

Harold

"Jim Stewart" wrote in message
...
SteveB wrote:

Where are all these mythical people? I have a friend who ............
my
brother-in-law ......... my neighbor .......... etc.

Why don't we hear directly from them on metalworking subjects?

Why don't we hear the words "I" and "me" more often? Like "I" can do,
and
"I" did, and "I" made?

If these people are welding underwater in the North Sea making $900 an
hour,
why can't they afford a computer? If they are doing so well at
metalworking, why is it that they are so ethereal?

I can understand why anyone working on nuclear subs, or NASA wouldn't
post,
or who has or has had a clearance, and those bound by nondisclosure
agreements, but why not all the rest of these other mythical beings?

Wow, a welder with a personality of a rock star...

It's more fun to make chips and beads that to stew
about the truthfulness of usenet posts...



Or is that a personality of a moron? Steve never ceases to amaze all of us
with his idiotic comments.

Harold

"SteveB" wrote in message
news:V5x4f.17110$fE5.14080@fed1read06...

"Harold and Susan Vordos" wrote

certified weldors with which we both used to work when we went through
our
apprenticeships at the missile facility.

Harold


Do you routinely discuss work at the "missile facility" online? You might
want to refer to your security clearance,
snip

Since when does working on books for the church require a security
clearance?

"Tom Gardner" wrote in message
news

"SteveB" wrote in message
news:V5x4f.17110$fE5.14080@fed1read06...

"Harold and Susan Vordos" wrote

certified weldors with which we both used to work when we went through
our
apprenticeships at the missile facility.

Harold


Do you routinely discuss work at the "missile facility" online? You
might want to refer to your security clearance,
snip

Since when does working on books for the church require a security
clearance?


OHHHHHHHHHHH

MISSIVE!

I thought he said

MISSILE!

never mind ....................

Harold and Susan Vordos wrote:
"SteveB" wrote in message
news:4ow4f.17100$fE5.8962@fed1read06...
Where are all these mythical people? I have a friend who
............ my brother-in-law ......... my neighbor .......... etc.

Why don't we hear directly from them on metalworking subjects?

Why don't we hear the words "I" and "me" more often? Like "I" can
do, and "I" did, and "I" made?

If these people are welding underwater in the North Sea making $900
an hour, why can't they afford a computer? If they are doing so
well at metalworking, why is it that they are so ethereal?

I can understand why anyone working on nuclear subs, or NASA
wouldn't post, or who has or has had a clearance, and those bound by
nondisclosure agreements, but why not all the rest of these other
mythical beings?

Just some thoughts from the fringe ................. As I get
older, I ponder more things .........

Steve


Could it be because they have no interest in posting in general, or
RCM specifically? I worked with well over 100 guys when I broke
into the trade, many of whom (more than ten) went on to found machine
shops that enjoyed multiple levels of success. From all of these
guys, I'm the only one that I know of that follows any of the news
groups.

It's pretty simple----it's not everyone's cup of tea, and even when
it is, some of them lurk only----not everyone has my strange
propensity to post-------nor do they care to.

You want something beyond ethereal? The fellow of whom I spoke in a
different thread that is self taught and is (was) certified in TIG
welding is in West Jordan, Utah-----and is the owner of Pulley's
Custom Manufacturing. That's some information you can sink your
teeth into, and verify that which I claim if you have doubts.

It's not BS------he did outstanding work-----work that rivaled the
full time certified weldors with which we both used to work when we
went through our apprenticeships at the missile facility.

Harold

Hercules or Thiokol ? I did 3+ years in the PMDD at the Wasatch facility
.... in fact , that's where I first got the chance to play around on a small
lathe , South Bend 10X36 IIRC .

--
Snag aka OSG #1
'76 FLH "Bag Lady"
BS132 SENS NEWT
"A hand shift is a manly shift ."
shamelessly stolen
none to one to reply

SteveB wrote:
Where are all these mythical people? I have a friend who
............ my brother-in-law ......... my neighbor .......... etc.

Why don't we hear directly from them on metalworking subjects?

Why don't we hear the words "I" and "me" more often? Like "I" can
do, and "I" did, and "I" made?

If these people are welding underwater in the North Sea making $900
an hour, why can't they afford a computer? If they are doing so well
at metalworking, why is it that they are so ethereal?



ftp.machiningsolution.com/F.ZIP



--
John R. Carroll
Machining Solution Software, Inc.
Los Angeles San Francisco
www.machiningsolution.com

"John R. Carroll" wrote in message
. com...
SteveB wrote:
Where are all these mythical people? I have a friend who
............ my brother-in-law ......... my neighbor .......... etc.

Why don't we hear directly from them on metalworking subjects?

Why don't we hear the words "I" and "me" more often? Like "I" can
do, and "I" did, and "I" made?

If these people are welding underwater in the North Sea making $900
an hour, why can't they afford a computer? If they are doing so well
at metalworking, why is it that they are so ethereal?



ftp.machiningsolution.com/F.ZIP



--
John R. Carroll
Machining Solution Software, Inc.
Los Angeles San Francisco
www.machiningsolution.com




Yeah. Right. I'm going to download a .zip file.

Steve

Harold and Steve,

You both seem like decent guys with a genuine interest in metalwork. But
it seems that you've got involved in one of those little feuds which can
only occur online. One thinks the other has imaginary friends, and the
other thinks the first is some kind of troll. What does it matter? If
you met in real life most likely everything would be fine. Why not crack
open a few beers and forget about it?

Chris

"Snag" wrote in message
.. .
Harold and Susan Vordos wrote:
snip---


Hercules or Thiokol ? I did 3+ years in the PMDD at the Wasatch facility
... in fact , that's where I first got the chance to play around on a
small
lathe , South Bend 10X36 IIRC .

--
Snag aka OSG #1
'76 FLH "Bag Lady"
BS132 SENS NEWT
"A hand shift is a manly shift ."
shamelessly stolen
none to one to reply


Close, but no cigar. We were trained at what was, then, Sperry Utah
Engineering Laboratories, located near the airport in Salt Lake City. It
was later to be known as Univac, Unisys, and other variations. Don't know
what they're called today.

I left the facility in '65, so I don't really think I'm much of a threat to
national security, considering the Sergeant Missile is nothing more than a
glowing memory now, and Sperry went out of the missile business shortly
after I departed, due to the missile being badly outdated and the contracts
coming to an end. After all, it was a product of the 50's.

As far as I know, the missile was never used, although many were fired in
training. Somewhere in my boxes of stored items I have an outstanding
picture of one leaving the launcher.

In your experiences, did you make the acquaintance of Ross Eskelson?
(Thiokol, as I recall, but he was employed at Sperry at one time).

Harold

SteveB wrote:

"John R. Carroll" wrote in message
. com...

SteveB wrote:

Where are all these mythical people? I have a friend who
............ my brother-in-law ......... my neighbor .......... etc.

Why don't we hear directly from them on metalworking subjects?

Why don't we hear the words "I" and "me" more often? Like "I" can
do, and "I" did, and "I" made?

If these people are welding underwater in the North Sea making $900
an hour, why can't they afford a computer? If they are doing so well
at metalworking, why is it that they are so ethereal?



ftp.machiningsolution.com/F.ZIP



--
John R. Carroll
Machining Solution Software, Inc.
Los Angeles San Francisco
www.machiningsolution.com





Yeah. Right. I'm going to download a .zip file.

Steve

I downloaded and unzipped it. 9 jpgs of a big chunk
of AL being transformed into an aerospace part. A
couple of the pictures are quite nice. No executables,
no risk in opening the zip.

You need not be afraid of opening a zip file as long
as your system is configured *not* to execute files
inside the zip.

On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 12:09:19 -0700, "Harold and Susan Vordos"
wrote:


"SteveB" wrote in message
news:V5x4f.17110$fE5.14080@fed1read06...

"Harold and Susan Vordos" wrote

certified weldors with which we both used to work when we went through
our
apprenticeships at the missile facility.

Harold


Do you routinely discuss work at the "missile facility" online? You might
want to refer to your security clearance, (that thing they gave you after
the thorough background investigation by the FBI) or the nondisclosure
agreement you signed. People who work at such facilities are forbidden
from
engaging in such discussions, and are instructed to report anyone who
pressures them for information or asks inappropriate questions. Even
those
performing menial unskilled work. They are never to discuss what they
did,
job title, job description, duties, where they worked, their hours, people
they worked with, scheduling, what they saw, anything that has to do with
that job or area. There is place for violators, and it is (or used to be)
in Leavenworth, Kansas. Blabbermouths can also lose pension and benefits.

But you knew that already, right?

This wasn't a fireworks factory, was it?

Was this "missile facility" one of ours?

Steve



Considering the missile in question was phased out over 25 years ago, and is
no longer a part of our defense system, and for multiple good reasons, I'm
not convinced that anyone is too concerned about my disclosing anything that
isn't public knowledge at this point. Further, about the only thing you,
or anyone else, can deduct from my ravings might be W's hat size.

You know, Steve, you're truly a boor. My offer still stands. Bite me.

Harold


Wow, this reminds me of my new job.
I just ran into this thread and could instantly come up with a good 5
different ways to describe an answer to the question, but now I won't
even bother. Simply unbelievable !

I routinely discuss work at the missile facilities that I worked at.
No big deal. When you work at a missile facility, you get a security
clearance. Along with the clearance you learn what is classified and
what is not. Most of it is not. Some things are classified and you
just don't discuss those unless the person has a need to know. It does
not matter if they are cleared.

Although I am retired, last year I worked part time at the local
missile facility. They did not bother to got my security clearance
updated, so I was working there without a clearance. It generally was
not a problem, but it did mean that I had to be escorted when I was in
the area from which missile tests were run, and I could not be in the
area while the tests were being run. But there was no problem getting
into the Missile Assembly Building. Even less problem getting into the
area where all the machine shop equipment is located.
You don't have to have an explosive cert. to get in there.

Dan


SteveB wrote:

Do you routinely discuss work at the "missile facility" online?

Was this "missile facility" one of ours?

Steve

"Harold and Susan Vordos" wrote in message
...

"SteveB" wrote in message
news:V5x4f.17110$fE5.14080@fed1read06...

"Harold and Susan Vordos" wrote


Do you routinely discuss work at the "missile facility" online? You
might
want to refer to your security clearance, (that thing they gave you after
the thorough background investigation by the FBI) or the nondisclosure
agreement you signed. People who work at such facilities are forbidden
from engaging in such discussions, and are instructed to report anyone
who pressures them for information or asks inappropriate questions.

Steve

I don't know what Steve's background is, but I suspect he has no real
experience with security clearances and the rules governing classified work.
Certainly there are some "black programs" that one is never permitted to
acknowledge or discuss, but those are very few. The vast majority of
classified facilities have no blanket "gag order" that prevents one from
acknowledging one's employment there, or even one's basic job description.


You know, Steve, you're truly a boor. My offer still stands. Bite me.

Harold

Harold, if by biting you, I were to somehow acquire even a fraction of your
years of metalworking knowledge and experience, then I would be honored to
do so.


- Michael

"DeepDiver" wrote in message
news
"Harold and Susan Vordos" wrote in message
...

"SteveB" wrote in message
news:V5x4f.17110$fE5.14080@fed1read06...

"Harold and Susan Vordos" wrote


Do you routinely discuss work at the "missile facility" online? You
might
want to refer to your security clearance, (that thing they gave you
after
the thorough background investigation by the FBI) or the nondisclosure
agreement you signed. People who work at such facilities are forbidden
from engaging in such discussions, and are instructed to report anyone
who pressures them for information or asks inappropriate questions.

Steve

I don't know what Steve's background is, but I suspect he has no real
experience with security clearances and the rules governing classified
work.
Certainly there are some "black programs" that one is never permitted to
acknowledge or discuss, but those are very few. The vast majority of
classified facilities have no blanket "gag order" that prevents one from
acknowledging one's employment there, or even one's basic job description.


You know, Steve, you're truly a boor. My offer still stands. Bite
me.

Harold

Harold, if by biting you, I were to somehow acquire even a fraction of
your
years of metalworking knowledge and experience, then I would be honored to
do so.


- Michael

Thanks, Michael. I'm very honored by your kind remarks. If only I was as
good as I think I am! g

Harold

"DeepDiver" wrote

I don't know what Steve's background is, but I suspect he has no real
experience with security clearances and the rules governing classified
work. Certainly there are some "black programs" that one is never
permitted to acknowledge or discuss, but those are very few. The vast
majority of classified facilities have no blanket "gag order" that
prevents one from acknowledging one's employment there, or even one's
basic job description.


I guess all they told us in briefings at the Nevada Test Site was just BS,
then.

Steve

"DeepDiver" wrote

I don't know what Steve's background is, but =

"I don't know all the facts, but let me continue ........"

Now we're coming full circle and back to the original concept.

Steve

On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 01:49:55 -0700, with neither quill nor qualm,
"Harold and Susan Vordos" quickly quoth:

Harold, if by biting you, I were to somehow acquire even a fraction of
your
years of metalworking knowledge and experience, then I would be honored to
do so.
- Michael

Thanks, Michael. I'm very honored by your kind remarks. If only I was as
good as I think I am! g

Just remember 1 thing, Harold:


The older we get, the better we were.



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"Harold and Susan Vordos" wrote in message
...
... walking through snow and ice, up hill, both
directions, which was very much a part of the misery of each day as we
toiled, displaying our superior talent. :-)

Harold

PS-----Did I mention, it was without shoes?

During the summer. The winters were especially brutal.

LLoyd

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 01:49:55 -0700, with neither quill nor qualm,
"Harold and Susan Vordos" quickly quoth:

Harold, if by biting you, I were to somehow acquire even a fraction of
your
years of metalworking knowledge and experience, then I would be honored
to
do so.
- Michael

Thanks, Michael. I'm very honored by your kind remarks. If only I was
as
good as I think I am! g

Just remember 1 thing, Harold:


The older we get, the better we were.


To say nothing of the miles of walking through snow and ice, up hill, both
directions, which was very much a part of the misery of each day as we
toiled, displaying our superior talent. :-)

Harold

PS-----Did I mention, it was without shoes?

Harold

SteveB wrote:

"DeepDiver" wrote


I don't know what Steve's background is, but I suspect he has no real
experience with security clearances and the rules governing classified
work. Certainly there are some "black programs" that one is never
permitted to acknowledge or discuss, but those are very few. The vast
majority of classified facilities have no blanket "gag order" that
prevents one from acknowledging one's employment there, or even one's
basic job description.




I guess all they told us in briefings at the Nevada Test Site was just BS,
then.


No, that could definitely be one of the black programs. Certainly, some
parts of it would be.

Jon

In article ,
"Harold and Susan Vordos" wrote:

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 01:49:55 -0700, with neither quill nor qualm,
"Harold and Susan Vordos" quickly quoth:

Harold, if by biting you, I were to somehow acquire even a fraction of
your
years of metalworking knowledge and experience, then I would be honored
to
do so.
- Michael

Thanks, Michael. I'm very honored by your kind remarks. If only I was
as
good as I think I am! g

Just remember 1 thing, Harold:


The older we get, the better we were.


To say nothing of the miles of walking through snow and ice, up hill, both
directions, which was very much a part of the misery of each day as we
toiled, displaying our superior talent. :-)

Harold

PS-----Did I mention, it was without shoes?

Don't forget the broken glass they used for traction.



--
Don Bruder - - New Email policy in effect as of Feb. 21, 2004.
Short form: I'm trashing EVERY E-mail that doesn't contain a password in the
subject unless it comes from a "whitelisted" (pre-approved by me) address.
See http://www.sonic.net/~dakidd/main/contact.html for full details.

On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 11:38:14 -0700, with neither quill nor qualm,
"Harold and Susan Vordos" quickly quoth:

Thanks, Michael. I'm very honored by your kind remarks. If only I was
as
good as I think I am! g

Just remember 1 thing, Harold:

The older we get, the better we were.

To say nothing of the miles of walking through snow and ice, up hill, both
directions, which was very much a part of the misery of each day as we
toiled, displaying our superior talent. :-)

Harold

PS-----Did I mention, it was without shoes?

Hey, at least you had feet. When I was a kid...


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"Don Bruder" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Harold and Susan Vordos" wrote:

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
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On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 01:49:55 -0700, with neither quill nor qualm,
"Harold and Susan Vordos" quickly quoth:

Harold, if by biting you, I were to somehow acquire even a fraction
of
your
years of metalworking knowledge and experience, then I would be
honored
to
do so.
- Michael

Thanks, Michael. I'm very honored by your kind remarks. If only I
was
as
good as I think I am! g

Just remember 1 thing, Harold:


The older we get, the better we were.


To say nothing of the miles of walking through snow and ice, up hill,
both
directions, which was very much a part of the misery of each day as we
toiled, displaying our superior talent. :-)

Harold

PS-----Did I mention, it was without shoes?

Don't forget the broken glass they used for traction.

Nor dare I forget the salt used to melt the snow and ice. Man, I had it
tough. :-)

H



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"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
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On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 11:38:14 -0700, with neither quill nor qualm,
"Harold and Susan Vordos" quickly quoth:

Thanks, Michael. I'm very honored by your kind remarks. If only I
was
as
good as I think I am! g

Just remember 1 thing, Harold:

The older we get, the better we were.

To say nothing of the miles of walking through snow and ice, up hill,
both
directions, which was very much a part of the misery of each day as we
toiled, displaying our superior talent. :-)

Harold

PS-----Did I mention, it was without shoes?

Hey, at least you had feet. When I was a kid...


Yeah, but I'm not old like you. By the time I came along feet were
standard issue.

H

I have friends who are into various trades, crafts, hobbies, etc. that could
make great contributions to this and other groups. The thing is most are
older; or back-to-the-landers; a little off center politically /
philosophically; etc., that for one reason or the other won't / don't own
computers and wouldn't touch one if you gave them one. The ones that do
have'em usually just do email with family.

One of them has a few useful although [not-commercially successful]
inventions to his name. He has a an old 80386 computer that he runs Linux on
but he won't use the da_ _ thing for anything except keeping his records on
and an old Cad program. He's been using it for years, even taking some CAD
classes at the nearby University, but refuses to hook it to the internet.

Out here in the boonies, many of these guys could give the Mel Gibson
character in "Conspiracy Theory" a good run for their money, as far as
mistrust of the internet and the government goes.

One of my "buds" has a pool going on his shop wall about when Bush/Cheney is
going to declare martial law and purposely tank the economy so they can set
up their one world government with the other Bilderberger Group-ers.

I just put an extra layer of tin foil inside of my Manitowoc hat when I go
down there. I don't want any of those stray alien rays to penetrate while
I'm that close to them.


FWIW,

HAT

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Some people will tell you that slow is good...and it may be, on some
days...but I am here to tell you that fast is better. I've always believed
this, in spite of the trouble it's caused me. Being shot out of a cannon
will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube. That is why God
made fast motorcycles, Bubba...."

Hunter S. Thompson

On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 19:31:30 -0700, with neither quill nor qualm,
"Harold and Susan Vordos" quickly quoth:


"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 11:38:14 -0700, with neither quill nor qualm,
"Harold and Susan Vordos" quickly quoth:

Thanks, Michael. I'm very honored by your kind remarks. If only I
was
as
good as I think I am! g

Just remember 1 thing, Harold:

The older we get, the better we were.

To say nothing of the miles of walking through snow and ice, up hill,
both
directions, which was very much a part of the misery of each day as we
toiled, displaying our superior talent. :-)

Harold

PS-----Did I mention, it was without shoes?

Hey, at least you had feet. When I was a kid...


Yeah, but I'm not old like you. By the time I came along feet were
standard issue.

Oh, I had feet. But by the time I got through all that snow, glass and
salt, they'd blued and worn off down to nubs.


The Monty Python skit with the guys sitting around the Yacht Club
talking about how hard they had it as kids was great. I don't recall
if that was on an album or just a Flying Circus skit, but it was well
done. This thread reminds me of it for some reason.


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"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
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On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 19:31:30 -0700, with neither quill nor qualm,
"Harold and Susan Vordos" quickly quoth:


"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 11:38:14 -0700, with neither quill nor qualm,
"Harold and Susan Vordos" quickly quoth:

Thanks, Michael. I'm very honored by your kind remarks. If only I
was
as
good as I think I am! g

Just remember 1 thing, Harold:

The older we get, the better we were.

To say nothing of the miles of walking through snow and ice, up hill,
both
directions, which was very much a part of the misery of each day as we
toiled, displaying our superior talent. :-)

Harold

PS-----Did I mention, it was without shoes?

Hey, at least you had feet. When I was a kid...


Yeah, but I'm not old like you. By the time I came along feet were
standard issue.

Oh, I had feet. But by the time I got through all that snow, glass and
salt, they'd blued and worn off down to nubs.


I guess I just didn't understand the level of horror to which you had been
exposed. Must have been hell.


The Monty Python skit with the guys sitting around the Yacht Club
talking about how hard they had it as kids was great. I don't recall
if that was on an album or just a Flying Circus skit, but it was well
done. This thread reminds me of it for some reason.

It almost makes you wonder if maybe all of it isn't just plain old BS!

From us?

Not a chance.

H

"Larry Jaques" wrote:
The Monty Python skit with the guys sitting around the Yacht Club
talking about how hard they had it as kids was great. I don't recall
if that was on an album or just a Flying Circus skit, but it was well
done. This thread reminds me of it for some reason.

"The Four Yorkshiremen"
http://www.phespirit.info/montypytho...rkshiremen.htm

Jon

On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 11:25:39 -0700, with neither quill nor qualm,
"Harold and Susan Vordos" quickly quoth:


"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
Oh, I had feet. But by the time I got through all that snow, glass and
salt, they'd blued and worn off down to nubs.

I guess I just didn't understand the level of horror to which you had been
exposed. Must have been hell.

It's a good thing they grew back that next spring.


The Monty Python skit with the guys sitting around the Yacht Club
talking about how hard they had it as kids was great. I don't recall
if that was on an album or just a Flying Circus skit, but it was well
done. This thread reminds me of it for some reason.

It almost makes you wonder if maybe all of it isn't just plain old BS!

From us?

Not a chance.

Of course not. ;^)


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On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 11:53:50 -0700, with neither quill nor qualm, "Jon
Danniken" quickly quoth:

"Larry Jaques" wrote:
The Monty Python skit with the guys sitting around the Yacht Club
talking about how hard they had it as kids was great. I don't recall
if that was on an album or just a Flying Circus skit, but it was well
done. This thread reminds me of it for some reason.

"The Four Yorkshiremen"
http://www.phespirit.info/montypytho...rkshiremen.htm

Aye, 'ats a one, suh.


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On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 13:56:02 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 11:53:50 -0700, with neither quill nor qualm, "Jon
Danniken" quickly quoth:

"Larry Jaques" wrote:
The Monty Python skit with the guys sitting around the Yacht Club
talking about how hard they had it as kids was great. I don't recall
if that was on an album or just a Flying Circus skit, but it was well
done. This thread reminds me of it for some reason.

"The Four Yorkshiremen"
http://www.phespirit.info/montypytho...rkshiremen.htm

Aye, 'ats a one, suh.


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If you back up a page there are more skits but, alas, the dead parrot
one is missing.
Randy

Larry Jaques wrote:

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PS-----Did I mention, it was without shoes?


Hey, at least you had feet. When I was a kid...


Funny you should mention that, Larry.

When I read this amazing story in yesterday's Boston Globe I got
"ferklempt" (choked up) just thinking about what amazing spirit this
young guy has and how damn proud his parents must be of him:

http://www.boston.com/news/special/b...tin/page1.html

Jeff

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(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)

"Truth exists; only falsehood has to be invented."

On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 19:37:47 -0400, with neither quill nor qualm, Jeff
Wisnia quickly quoth:

Larry Jaques wrote:

snipped


PS-----Did I mention, it was without shoes?


Hey, at least you had feet. When I was a kid...


Funny you should mention that, Larry.

When I read this amazing story in yesterday's Boston Globe I got
"ferklempt" (choked up) just thinking about what amazing spirit this
young guy has and how damn proud his parents must be of him:

http://www.boston.com/news/special/b...tin/page1.html

Wild and cool! And shouldn't that read "parent?"


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