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I've been working for months to set up a small steel fabrication business out of
my home. Today I stopped by City Hall in the bucolic little suburb I live in and found out that they certainly allow businesses in homes, but none with welding. Ack. Anyone run into this before? GWE |
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Grant Erwin wrote: I've been working for months to set up a small steel fabrication business out of my home. Today I stopped by City Hall in the bucolic little suburb I live in and found out that they certainly allow businesses in homes, but none with welding. Ack. Anyone run into this before? Request a variance? Testimonials from all the neighbors might help. |
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"Grant Erwin" wrote in message ... I've been working for months to set up a small steel fabrication business out of my home. Today I stopped by City Hall in the bucolic little suburb I live in and found out that they certainly allow businesses in homes, but none with welding. Ack. Anyone run into this before? GWE Yep. The less you tell city hall about what you do, the better. Depending on your neighborhood, you can conduct business of a sort. I did it for years, but I was on a rural ranch estate zoning, a RRE1, which has a minimum lot size of one acre, and allows horses. Everyone in the neighborhood was in some kind of business, and all had trucks and/or some type of equipment. So, no one complained. And there is the rub. As long as no one complains, all goes well. But, when the first one complains, there you go. I would imagine that you could do some work if you don't have close nosy irritable types of neighbors. After that, it's a craps shoot. Welding and fabricating businesses are usually delegated to a M1 zone, which is for manufacturing. Lots of guys have home garage shops and do some work. Some keep the doors shut, and it is impossible to tell what they are doing in there. It is just when you cause additional traffic coming into the neighborhood, parking problems, onsite or on street storage/parking of equipment or projects, increases in the noise levels, and such that zoning and permits become involved. A lot depends on your neighborhood. And your neighbors. Grant, meet City Hall. City Hall, meet Grant. Steve |
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"Ignoramus4243" wrote in message ... On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 12:45:55 -0700, Grant Erwin wrote: I've been working for months to set up a small steel fabrication business out of my home. Today I stopped by City Hall in the bucolic little suburb I live in and found out that they certainly allow businesses in homes, but none with welding. Ack. Anyone run into this before? Do not get me started on city inspectors and nosey neighbors... That said... How would they know what you do, if you do it in your garage? i For guys that do machining, or just fabricating, that might be so. But when you start making electrical arcs, there is noise and smoke and light. That's pretty hard to hide. Don't even get me started on grinding. Sounds something like Dr. Frankenstein in there, and it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to know what's going on. Steve |
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"Grant Erwin" wrote in message ... I've been working for months to set up a small steel fabrication business out of my home. Today I stopped by City Hall in the bucolic little suburb I live in and found out that they certainly allow businesses in homes, but none with welding. Ack. Anyone run into this before? GWE I think the biggest problem is due to OA tanks. Most home-owner insurance policies have a void clause if OA tanks are on your property. Are you OA welding? You might get around this if it's a problem by going to propane-oxygen. Tell them you are doing explosive welding...see where THAT gets you. (What are buds for) |
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Grant Erwin writes:
I've been working for months to set up a small steel fabrication business out of my home. Today I stopped by City Hall in the bucolic little suburb I live in and found out that they certainly allow businesses in homes, but none with welding. Ack. Anyone run into this before? Here is Palm Beach County, Florida, we have a "right to work in your house" county law that overrides any local zoning nazis. This basically sez you can run any business, that is otherwise lawful, as long as it isn't apparent to the neighbors. For example, if I am permitted to weld in my garage as a hobby, I should be able to do so for a living, if I can keep it absolutely quiet. The key is doing work quietly in the garage and not in the yard or in and out of the driveway. No signs or customers calling. No advertising with your home address on it. It is not that it has to be a secret, but just not apparent from the street. If your zoning or whatever tries to prohibit this, then the following factors are likely causes: (1) the established competition has gotten the local gummint to legislate a restraint of trade to outlaw you competing with them, or (2) the zoning busybodies have tried to outlaw anything in a residential neighborhood. By "busybodies" I mean they would literally like to prohibit things like writing or consulting over the Internet for a living from the privacy of your home. The "right to work" anti-zoning law here trumps that. Now when you say "steel fabrication business out of my home", most people are going to visualize a turbine-powered 20-foot gantry in your side yard looming over a pile of rusty girders, steam locomotives, and scrap metal. Maybe you just mean to make stuff you can hold at arms length, but you're fighting a contrary assumption. It may be that by the term "welding" there is some phobia over compressed gases that is a pretext for zoning it absolutely out of residential neighborhoods. Maybe you can find a definitional loophole if you only do arc type welding. You should carefully research what the overall zoning is in your neighborhood. A lot of areas are so bad you can't fight it; the only solution is to move. Sometimes you can do what you want as long as you don't anger a neighbor (perhaps over something else) who then reports you (happened to me in a previous locale). If you are serious and want to have your rights, you will be much more effective hiring a lawyer, once you know what your rights are. If you don't want to pay for a lawyer, then you weren't that serious about it to start with. |
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"SteveB" wrote: (clip) A lot depends on your neighborhood. And your neighbors. (clip) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Absolutely! If you are the kind of person who has been doing little repairs for the neighbors, and everyone smiles when they see you working, the chances are that no one will complain, and you will be okay. But, I would be really leery of investing a lot in your shop, 'cuz if even one person goes down to city hall and complains, they'll have no choice but to shut you down. I know one guy who built an elaborate woodshop behind his house, and gave classes. The parking problem annoyed some of his neighbors, and he started having trouble with the city. The regulations can be very restrictive. No more than a certain percent of your home can be used. The customers must enter through the front door. An a whole bunch of other stuff which is designed to keep you from becoming too visible and too commercial. |
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I think the biggest problem is due to OA tanks. Most home-owner insurance policies have a void clause if OA tanks are on your property. Are you OA welding? You might get around this if it's a problem by going to propane-oxygen. Tell them you are doing explosive welding...see where THAT gets you. (What are buds for) Wow. I'll check my homeowner's policy. I do own a set of O/A tanks but I almost never use 'em, mostly keep them for sentimental reasons. Maybe once a year I have to use the cutting torch to make a meatball cut. Maybe it's time to sell them. I normally stick weld outside, in my driveway. However, I recently got a Millermatic 250 MIG welder, and with a fume extractor I could probably weld inside, or maybe with the door only slightly open to let out an exhaust vent tube. I can certainly come up with a welding curtain. No outside storage, ow that hurts too. Looks like all my steel's gonna go to Ernie's welding class, at least it's a good cause. GWE |
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Welcome to hell my friend.... Been there done that, and it's one of the
reasons I'm moving shops now. Mine was not really welding (but it did come up) I own a racing engine co. and I have two dynos. They denied me permits due to noise restrictions. Granted, this is OVER a flight path less than 3/4 of a mile away from Midway airport (MDW) In Chicago.... Noise? Um. those jets don't bug the other tenants in the industrial park. No joke, It defies logic completely. I got a shop closer to Chinatown. Closer to people, believe that one.. I scratched my head for a while. Rob Fraser Competition Engines Chicago, IL. Long Beach, CA. "Grant Erwin" wrote in message ... I've been working for months to set up a small steel fabrication business out of my home. Today I stopped by City Hall in the bucolic little suburb I live in and found out that they certainly allow businesses in homes, but none with welding. Ack. Anyone run into this before? GWE |
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"Grant Erwin" wrote in message
... | | I think the biggest problem is due to OA tanks. Most home-owner insurance | policies have a void clause if OA tanks are on your property. Are you OA | welding? You might get around this if it's a problem by going to | propane-oxygen. Tell them you are doing explosive welding...see where THAT | gets you. (What are buds for) | | Wow. I'll check my homeowner's policy. I do own a set of O/A tanks but I almost | never use 'em, mostly keep them for sentimental reasons. Maybe once a year I | have to use the cutting torch to make a meatball cut. Maybe it's time to sell them. | | I normally stick weld outside, in my driveway. However, I recently got a | Millermatic 250 MIG welder, and with a fume extractor I could probably weld | inside, or maybe with the door only slightly open to let out an exhaust vent | tube. I can certainly come up with a welding curtain. | | No outside storage, ow that hurts too. Looks like all my steel's gonna go to | Ernie's welding class, at least it's a good cause. | | GWE I just called my Farmer's agent and he says no problem with welding equipment in your garage, as long as you don't (read that as _never_) accept any work for money (that also means, I assume, they can't find out about any transactions.) I was glad to hear that, especially as my welding is too bad to ever think about making someone pay for it. Now that I think about it, I wonder exactly how they define "paying for it" as it relates to "donations" and bartering? I'm not gonna go there with my agent, even though he's been really great for me. |
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Try thinking about what kind of business you want to do. And then
think of how you might describe it to the city. Could it be that you are selling metal architectural parts? Never mind where you get them. For all the city knows you might be importing them from Bainbridge. The city is likely to look favorably on consulting, retail sales( if not heavy traffic ) , design, etc. Not likely to like the idea of you manufacturing and selling to a wholesaler. Once you have a license, they are likely to forgive the occasional work you have to do to modify something so that it works for the builder ( unless the neighbors complain ). Dan |
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Grant Erwin wrote: I've been working for months to set up a small steel fabrication business out of my home. Today I stopped by City Hall in the bucolic little suburb I live in and found out that they certainly allow businesses in homes, but none with welding. Ack. Anyone run into this before? GWE If you set it up that all welding is done elsewhere, and not at your house, how can they complain. Most construction welders weld from their truck based generator on jobsites. Renton never bothered me about it. -- "I love deadlines, especially the wooshing sound they make as they fly by" - Douglas Adams |
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"Ignoramus4243" wrote I want to weld and not be disturbing to my neighbors. i This is a very difficult thing for any of us to answer. We don't know anything about your property. How big a piece of property do you have? Do your neighbors do any work outside? Is there fire hazards? (dry grass, trees, leaves, etc) Yes, it is possible to make a dedicated welding area. That is not the worst part. The worst part can be molten metal from OA cutting, grinding sparks, and an obnoxiously loud cutoff saw. One size does not fit all, and we are at a loss to tell you what to do because we haven't been to your house. Many people who do welding in home shops have no problems because of the types of work they do. You can weld in all sorts of places, and each has its hazards. Welding gives off noises, smoke, and a bright light that can be seen for miles at night. It is impossible for us to say if that will bother YOUR neighbors. Steve |
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On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 12:45:55 -0700, Grant Erwin
wrote: I've been working for months to set up a small steel fabrication business out of my home. Today I stopped by City Hall in the bucolic little suburb I live in and found out that they certainly allow businesses in homes, but none with welding. Ack. Anyone run into this before? GWE Greetings Grant, When I set up business in Redmond there were some restrictions about home based businesses. But talking with a fellow who claimed to know said that the city really can't restrict you that much if what you do does not disturb the neighbors, no matter what an ordinance might say. Especially if there are other people doing the same thing you want to do already. I'm no expert, so take what I say with a grain of salt. But there were all kinds of businesses in my neighborhood that would be considered dirty and industrial, such as welding, auto body, auto painting, auto repair, and me with machines. Also, there were less obvious ones, like insurance and interior design consulting. And one house had a Watkins (I think that's the name) spice retail store in their garage. It was sorta like tupperware I think. You had to call first to make sure they were home if you wanted to pick the spices up. But they shipped from their house all over the place. And I often saw a semi out in front of their house unloading boxes and boxes of spices, vanilla, and who knows what else. All this in a development with covenants that prohibited any kind of home based business. So check with an attorney and see waht they say. And of course the library will have books that can help. Cheers, Eric |
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Wait a minute Grant. Aren't you an artist??? You are making works of art
are you not?? :'))) Randy "Grant Erwin" wrote in message ... I've been working for months to set up a small steel fabrication business out of my home. Today I stopped by City Hall in the bucolic little suburb I live in and found out that they certainly allow businesses in homes, but none with welding. Ack. Anyone run into this before? GWE |
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SteveB wrote:
"Grant Erwin" wrote in message ... I've been working for months to set up a small steel fabrication business out of my home. Today I stopped by City Hall in the bucolic little suburb I live in and found out that they certainly allow businesses in homes, but none with welding. Ack. Anyone run into this before? A lot depends on your neighborhood. And your neighbors. Grant, meet City Hall. City Hall, meet Grant. Steve Yeah, we had a somewhat celebrated case in the St. Louis area where a lady got served with a court order for TEACHING PIANO in her home! I think she finally got a sympathetic judge to rule that what she was doing was not a "commercial enterprise" under the local zoning rules, but she was out of business for about a year. The problem was that parents were dropping off and picking up kids at her house! So, I suppose, you could probably be served with a court order to cease and desist having friends visit you or your kids at your own house, if your neighbors are crazy enough. And, of course, there was the really celebrated case where the Chicago school teacher couple were forced to rent an office, because they were using TYPEWRITERS in their own home to prepare lesson plans and tests for their classes in their home. This was back in the late 70's or early 80's. The bottom line is the rules are interpreted by "those in authority", and they can have incredibly wide interpretation of the meaning of the ordinances, until a court hopefully brings them back to reality. Jon |
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I have one of those garbage can sheds I keep my tanks in, its about 100 feet
from the house, I never cut with OA in my garage just out in the driveway. Hope thats ok with the insurace. Only cylinders inside is inert gas. "Grant Erwin" wrote in message ... I think the biggest problem is due to OA tanks. Most home-owner insurance policies have a void clause if OA tanks are on your property. Are you OA welding? You might get around this if it's a problem by going to propane-oxygen. Tell them you are doing explosive welding...see where THAT gets you. (What are buds for) Wow. I'll check my homeowner's policy. I do own a set of O/A tanks but I almost never use 'em, mostly keep them for sentimental reasons. Maybe once a year I have to use the cutting torch to make a meatball cut. Maybe it's time to sell them. I normally stick weld outside, in my driveway. However, I recently got a Millermatic 250 MIG welder, and with a fume extractor I could probably weld inside, or maybe with the door only slightly open to let out an exhaust vent tube. I can certainly come up with a welding curtain. No outside storage, ow that hurts too. Looks like all my steel's gonna go to Ernie's welding class, at least it's a good cause. GWE |
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Buy a tent.
Martin Martin Eastburn @ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net NRA LOH, NRA Life NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder Grant Erwin wrote: I think the biggest problem is due to OA tanks. Most home-owner insurance policies have a void clause if OA tanks are on your property. Are you OA welding? You might get around this if it's a problem by going to propane-oxygen. Tell them you are doing explosive welding...see where THAT gets you. (What are buds for) Wow. I'll check my homeowner's policy. I do own a set of O/A tanks but I almost never use 'em, mostly keep them for sentimental reasons. Maybe once a year I have to use the cutting torch to make a meatball cut. Maybe it's time to sell them. I normally stick weld outside, in my driveway. However, I recently got a Millermatic 250 MIG welder, and with a fume extractor I could probably weld inside, or maybe with the door only slightly open to let out an exhaust vent tube. I can certainly come up with a welding curtain. No outside storage, ow that hurts too. Looks like all my steel's gonna go to Ernie's welding class, at least it's a good cause. GWE ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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I walked my farmers agent through my metal shop. Showed how it was locked and constructed.
He thought like a tank. I think an armor car. Didn't say. It is 200 yards from the house and has its own power drop and meter and bill. He knew I was starting Plasma as he offered to show off some stuff at his office. No issue - far from home - and a metal building . Martin Martin Eastburn @ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net NRA LOH, NRA Life NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder carl mciver wrote: "Grant Erwin" wrote in message ... | | I think the biggest problem is due to OA tanks. Most home-owner insurance | policies have a void clause if OA tanks are on your property. Are you OA | welding? You might get around this if it's a problem by going to | propane-oxygen. Tell them you are doing explosive welding...see where THAT | gets you. (What are buds for) | | Wow. I'll check my homeowner's policy. I do own a set of O/A tanks but I almost | never use 'em, mostly keep them for sentimental reasons. Maybe once a year I | have to use the cutting torch to make a meatball cut. Maybe it's time to sell them. | | I normally stick weld outside, in my driveway. However, I recently got a | Millermatic 250 MIG welder, and with a fume extractor I could probably weld | inside, or maybe with the door only slightly open to let out an exhaust vent | tube. I can certainly come up with a welding curtain. | | No outside storage, ow that hurts too. Looks like all my steel's gonna go to | Ernie's welding class, at least it's a good cause. | | GWE I just called my Farmer's agent and he says no problem with welding equipment in your garage, as long as you don't (read that as _never_) accept any work for money (that also means, I assume, they can't find out about any transactions.) I was glad to hear that, especially as my welding is too bad to ever think about making someone pay for it. Now that I think about it, I wonder exactly how they define "paying for it" as it relates to "donations" and bartering? I'm not gonna go there with my agent, even though he's been really great for me. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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Heck, I remember when I was living in Silicon Valley a guy got a $500 ticket for
having a gallon of muriatic acid in his garage. Kicker was he bought it from a store about two blocks from his house, and every single house in his area had a pool and stored pool chemicals including - you guessed it - muriatic. Guilty. It was in the San Jose Mercury News back about 1994. Sheesh. GWE Yeah, we had a somewhat celebrated case in the St. Louis area where a lady got served with a court order for TEACHING PIANO in her home! I think she finally got a sympathetic judge to rule that what she was doing was not a "commercial enterprise" under the local zoning rules, but she was out of business for about a year. The problem was that parents were dropping off and picking up kids at her house! So, I suppose, you could probably be served with a court order to cease and desist having friends visit you or your kids at your own house, if your neighbors are crazy enough. And, of course, there was the really celebrated case where the Chicago school teacher couple were forced to rent an office, because they were using TYPEWRITERS in their own home to prepare lesson plans and tests for their classes in their home. This was back in the late 70's or early 80's. The bottom line is the rules are interpreted by "those in authority", and they can have incredibly wide interpretation of the meaning of the ordinances, until a court hopefully brings them back to reality. Jon |
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On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 12:45:55 -0700, Grant Erwin
wrote: I've been working for months to set up a small steel fabrication business out of my home. Today I stopped by City Hall in the bucolic little suburb I live in and found out that they certainly allow businesses in homes, but none with welding. Ack. Anyone run into this before? GWE In my experience (MN), ordnances largely exist to give the authorities power to curb nuisances. I and my neighbors do all kinds of things that there are probably rules against on the books. Nobody cares because nobody is bothered. I've been welding in my garage for 25 years, never once had a complaint. I don't, however, generate any truck traffic (other than UPS) delivering materials or picking up finished goods. That sort of activity really doesn't belong in a residential neighborhood. If your biz is recorded, as an S corp or LLC or whatever, you might bill it as design engineering and consulting (sounds clean and quiet) rather than metal fab which sounds industrial. Building proof-of-concept prototypes from time to time is certainly part and parcel of such a biz. A biz with any volume probably should be set up in a business place, but making a few this's and that's is no different from doing it as a hobby in terms of the activities conducted or as it might affect neighbors. Company comes once in a while, the UPS man stops a time or two per week, no bother to anyone. If you're unlucky enough to have busybody neighbors, you may be out of luck. I've been real lucky that way! My neighbors definitely pay attention and miss about nothing, but it's protective rather than intrusive. City Hall may be able to curb your bidness for a while, but they can't prohibit you from having the capability unless they also prohibit similar activites in persuit of a hobby. It's often easier to beg forgiveness than to get permission..... Good luck! |
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"Jon Elson" wrote in message ... SteveB wrote: "Grant Erwin" wrote in message ... I've been working for months to set up a small steel fabrication business out of my home. Today I stopped by City Hall in the bucolic little suburb I live in and found out that they certainly allow businesses in homes, but none with welding. Ack. Anyone run into this before? A lot depends on your neighborhood. And your neighbors. Grant, meet City Hall. City Hall, meet Grant. Steve Yeah, we had a somewhat celebrated case in the St. Louis area where a lady got served with a court order for TEACHING PIANO in her home! I think she finally got a sympathetic judge to rule that what she was doing was not a "commercial enterprise" under the local zoning rules, but she was out of business for about a year. The problem was that parents were dropping off and picking up kids at her house! So, I suppose, you could probably be served with a court order to cease and desist having friends visit you or your kids at your own house, if your neighbors are crazy enough. And, of course, there was the really celebrated case where the Chicago school teacher couple were forced to rent an office, because they were using TYPEWRITERS in their own home to prepare lesson plans and tests for their classes in their home. This was back in the late 70's or early 80's. The bottom line is the rules are interpreted by "those in authority", and they can have incredibly wide interpretation of the meaning of the ordinances, until a court hopefully brings them back to reality. Jon I recently bought a plotter/cutter and am doing signs and graphics from my home and it is very restrictive. I am still in the welding business but am getting this going for when I decide to retire from welding. SO, if you need signs or graphics you can email me at for a quote and keep it off here. Like customers cannot come to your house. You can only use one room of your home for this business. Any and all equipment must be retained in that one room, not in garage, backyard, no where, except in that one room they allow you. No signs advertising your business. If you have a company truck, it cannot contain your business name, truck if it does have signs on it, must not be visible from the street. Just all kinds of crap. I should have just said screw the city and not gotten a license at all but I am getting large enough orders that I have to have legitimate standing in order to sell the signs and graphics that I can produce. ISN'T CITY LIFE JUST ABSOLUTELY PEACHY. |
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On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 13:29:32 -0700, Grant Erwin
wrote: and with a fume extractor I could probably weld inside, or maybe with the door only slightly open to let out an exhaust vent tube. I can certainly come up with a welding curtain. Did I mention that recently I wound up with (5) Lincoln "LinConditioners", which look like a mid sized shop vac, but have a ceramic filter inside..that is used to suck up welding smoke and filter it clean? Gunner "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner |
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I think the biggest problem is due to OA tanks. Most home-owner insurance policies have a void clause if OA tanks are on your property. Are you OA welding? You might get around this if it's a problem by going to propane-oxygen. Tell them you are doing explosive welding...see where THAT gets you. (What are buds for) Wow. I'll check my homeowner's policy. I do own a set of O/A tanks but I almost never use 'em, mostly keep them for sentimental reasons. Maybe once a year I have to use the cutting torch to make a meatball cut. Maybe it's time to sell them. I read my homeowner's policy carefully. No mention of welding whatever, no exclusion for coverage if O/A tanks are present, nothing at all like that. - GWE |
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"Grant Erwin" wrote in I read my homeowner's policy carefully. No mention of welding whatever, no exclusion for coverage if O/A tanks are present, nothing at all like that. - GWE Insurance policies are like that. You don't find out what they contain or what they mean until AFTER you have a loss. Or what the exclusions are. Or the deductibles. Or gobbledygook ............ Good luck. Steve |
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"xray" wrote I do have to admit that I was turning with my lathe around midnight and the tool was singing because I was turning a groove and afraid to cut hard. I think I better try to remember not to annoy much in the future. The neighbors that I would most likely have disturbed have kids who like the current BOOM BOOM BOOM music, so maybe we can come to an understanding if it ever comes up. Noise is defined by occupational safety experts as unwanted sound. "Music" can be argued not to be noise, although at times, it is coming in so unwanted from passing vehicles that it qualifies as noise. But in a tug of war in court about the two points, the "singing" on the boom box would win over the "singing" of your lathe as to which one is acceptable. I personally prefer the machine noise to the OOGGAH BOOGAH music and angry filthy rantings coming out of the car stereos. Guess I am just getting old. Steve |
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Grant Erwin wrote:
Heck, I remember when I was living in Silicon Valley a guy got a $500 ticket for having a gallon of muriatic acid in his garage. Kicker was he bought it from a store about two blocks from his house, and every single house in his area had a pool and stored pool chemicals including - you guessed it - muriatic. Guilty. It was in the San Jose Mercury News back about 1994. Sheesh. GWE Sure glad I left that place in 85. It was pretty nice there until the late 60s. |
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On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 12:45:55 -0700, Grant Erwin
wrote: I've been working for months to set up a small steel fabrication business out of my home. Today I stopped by City Hall in the bucolic little suburb I live in and found out that they certainly allow businesses in homes, but none with welding. Ack. Anyone run into this before? GWE Hey Grant, Specific to arc, or rather to all/any "electric" welding, there is a terrific amount of spurious TV and radio interference generated, which is not allowed in residential areas. Maybe that's why? Take care. Brian Lawson, Bothwell, Ontario. |
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SteveB wrote: I personally prefer the machine noise to the OOGGAH BOOGAH music and angry filthy rantings coming out of the car stereos. "Angry filthy rantings"?? Are you saying that you actually can understand those lyrics? Hell, I can't hear anything other than the THUMP THUMP. Joe (who does a weekly radio show featuring 60s & 70s progressive rock - some with bleeped angry filthy rants, too) |
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"SteveB" wrote:
Welding gives off noises, smoke, and a bright light that can be seen for miles at night. It is impossible for us to say if that will bother YOUR neighbors. Maybe RFI from welding equipment? Wes -- Reply to: Whiskey Echo Sierra Sierra AT Alpha Charlie Echo Golf Romeo Oscar Paul dot Charlie Charlie Lycos address is a spam trap. |
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wrote in message ... "SteveB" wrote: Welding gives off noises, smoke, and a bright light that can be seen for miles at night. It is impossible for us to say if that will bother YOUR neighbors. Maybe RFI from welding equipment? Wes -- Ok. |
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Or make it a religious thing: you are working on the Arc of the Joining
-- Fred R ________________ Drop TROU to email. R. Zimmerman wrote: Wait a minute Grant. Aren't you an artist??? You are making works of art are you not?? :'))) Randy "Grant Erwin" wrote in message ... I've been working for months to set up a small steel fabrication business out of my home. Today I stopped by City Hall in the bucolic little suburb I live in and found out that they certainly allow businesses in homes, but none with welding. Ack. Anyone run into this before? GWE |
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In article , Fred R says...
Or make it a religious thing: you are working on the Arc of the Joining It's a church, obviously. Our lady of the holy hot-spot. They can't pass laws about places of worship! My favorite chuch, which I attend when the rest of the family is at worship: The Church of John Moses Browning. Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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Sounds like an application of a GP kind of law that allows fuzzy law to exist.
I kept my acid in the pump house. Martin Martin Eastburn @ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net NRA LOH, NRA Life NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder Grant Erwin wrote: Heck, I remember when I was living in Silicon Valley a guy got a $500 ticket for having a gallon of muriatic acid in his garage. Kicker was he bought it from a store about two blocks from his house, and every single house in his area had a pool and stored pool chemicals including - you guessed it - muriatic. Guilty. It was in the San Jose Mercury News back about 1994. Sheesh. GWE Yeah, we had a somewhat celebrated case in the St. Louis area where a lady got served with a court order for TEACHING PIANO in her home! I think she finally got a sympathetic judge to rule that what she was doing was not a "commercial enterprise" under the local zoning rules, but she was out of business for about a year. The problem was that parents were dropping off and picking up kids at her house! So, I suppose, you could probably be served with a court order to cease and desist having friends visit you or your kids at your own house, if your neighbors are crazy enough. And, of course, there was the really celebrated case where the Chicago school teacher couple were forced to rent an office, because they were using TYPEWRITERS in their own home to prepare lesson plans and tests for their classes in their home. This was back in the late 70's or early 80's. The bottom line is the rules are interpreted by "those in authority", and they can have incredibly wide interpretation of the meaning of the ordinances, until a court hopefully brings them back to reality. Jon ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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--Been there, done that. Verily I say unto you MOVE to another
town. By the time you're done with the permitting process you'll have given up all rights granted you by the Constitution and that's no way to live in one's home. If you *do* manage to go thru all the hoops correctly all it takes is one phonecall by someone who doesn't like what you're doing to shut down your operation permanently. The dickhead running the local crack house shut down my operation this way. -- "Steamboat Ed" Haas : Post Burn thought for the day: Hacking the Trailing Edge! : Why wear pants? http://www.nmpproducts.com/intro.htm ---Decks a-wash in a sea of words--- |
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"SteveB" wrote in message news:8Mp_e.82955$DW1.12966@fed1read06... "Grant Erwin" wrote in I read my homeowner's policy carefully. No mention of welding whatever, no exclusion for coverage if O/A tanks are present, nothing at all like that. - GWE Insurance policies are like that. You don't find out what they contain or what they mean until AFTER you have a loss. Or what the exclusions are. Or the deductibles. Or gobbledygook ............ Nonsense. Insurance policies are a contract, with terms well spelled out (although often difficult to understand).. What good would they be otherwise? Harold |
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"Harold and Susan Vordos" wrote in message ... "SteveB" wrote in message news:8Mp_e.82955$DW1.12966@fed1read06... "Grant Erwin" wrote in I read my homeowner's policy carefully. No mention of welding whatever, no exclusion for coverage if O/A tanks are present, nothing at all like that. - GWE Insurance policies are like that. You don't find out what they contain or what they mean until AFTER you have a loss. Or what the exclusions are. Or the deductibles. Or gobbledygook ............ Nonsense. Insurance policies are a contract, with terms well spelled out (although often difficult to understand).. What good would they be otherwise? Harold I can tell you have not had many Encounters of the KY Variety. (dealings with insurance companies) The good is that they separate you from your money, and you have a heck of a time getting it back. A contract that is difficult to understand? And yet the average person willingly signs it. And, AS I SAID, has problems AFTER they have a loss.............. I don't understand when you say, "What good would they be otherwise?" after saying they are difficult to understand. They have to be difficult to understand to be any good? Please explain your position(s) or lack thereof. Go to any city in the US with a population over 4 million. Pick out the ten tallest buildings. A high percentage of them are insurance companies. Does that tell you anything? Steve |
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"SteveB" wrote: (clip) Pick out the ten tallest buildings. A high percentage of them are insurance companies. Does that tell you anything? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ It tells me that insurance companies have to invest the money that comes in, in order to be able to cover the claims that are going to come in. |
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"Leo Lichtman" wrote in message ... "SteveB" wrote: (clip) Pick out the ten tallest buildings. A high percentage of them are insurance companies. Does that tell you anything? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ It tells me that insurance companies have to invest the money that comes in, in order to be able to cover the claims that are going to come in. It tells me that there must be a pretty good profit in the insurance game. Pardon me, trade. Steve |
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"SteveB" wrote: It tells me that there must be a pretty good profit in the insurance game. Pardon me, trade. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I knew what you were driving at. But do you see what I was getting at? Insurance companies can't make a profit if they just pay the losses with the money they take in. They have to invest the premiums at interest, so the expected losses still leave them a profit. |
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