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Wire rope question
I made up a wire rope cable to put across a driveway. One end was already
looped with a thimble and ferrule. On the other end, I was trying to cut the cable with some good bolt cutters, but couldn't get it good enough to fit through the tight ferrule. Am I missing something? Do I need to put solder on the wire rope, then cut it with a grinding wheel to get a nice enough end to put through the ferrule? I am using the ferrule that has room for two cables in it, and they fit tight. If there is ANY frayed wires, it won't go through. Do I need a better pair of bolt cutters? Mine is American and good, but it just smashes them down. This is pretty tough cable, and has several strands around an inner spiraled core strand. It is 1/4". Suggestions? Steve |
I think you need some bypass-type cutters, as the jaws of bolt cutters
are rarely able to close enough to cut the last few strands of wire rope - even if they're sharp. In that way, it's better than a chain, for anti-theft. I've seen a simple type of cable cutter, that was a 2-piece thingo you put on the floor, and hit with a sledge hammer - could cut up to about an inch rope diameter. Or, you could maybe just flame-cut it? On the other end, I was trying to cut the cable with some good bolt cutters, but couldn't get it good enough to fit through the tight ferrule. |
"Jordan" wrote in message u... I think you need some bypass-type cutters, as the jaws of bolt cutters are rarely able to close enough to cut the last few strands of wire rope - even if they're sharp. In that way, it's better than a chain, for anti-theft. I've seen a simple type of cable cutter, that was a 2-piece thingo you put on the floor, and hit with a sledge hammer - could cut up to about an inch rope diameter. Or, you could maybe just flame-cut it? That wouldn't produce a clean enough end to fit through the ferrule. I want to put the ferrule on there and clamp it down, rather than just having the Crosby clamps on there that someone could take off. Oh, I know, someone could cut the cable, too, but it would be better than a plain cable with Crosby clamps. Steve |
Dremel, w/ cutoff wheel?
Abrasive cut-off saw? Bolt cutters def'ly won't do it. Machine shop suppliers sell a very fine non-reinforced 1/32 thick cutoff wheel for surface grinders, if you are pushed this far. Breaks easily, tho. Dremel should do it. I was always suspicious of these ferrules/crimping, etc. on wire rope. Can't quite believe that this type of connection is as strong as the rope itself. ---------------------------- Mr. P.V.'d formerly Droll Troll "SteveB" wrote in message news:iV0_e.81966$DW1.25249@fed1read06... I made up a wire rope cable to put across a driveway. One end was already looped with a thimble and ferrule. On the other end, I was trying to cut the cable with some good bolt cutters, but couldn't get it good enough to fit through the tight ferrule. Am I missing something? Do I need to put solder on the wire rope, then cut it with a grinding wheel to get a nice enough end to put through the ferrule? I am using the ferrule that has room for two cables in it, and they fit tight. If there is ANY frayed wires, it won't go through. Do I need a better pair of bolt cutters? Mine is American and good, but it just smashes them down. This is pretty tough cable, and has several strands around an inner spiraled core strand. It is 1/4". Suggestions? Steve |
I wrap the cable with electrical tape over about two inches then use a sharp
cold chisel on a chunk of one inch plate. One good hammer blow does it. Your idea of soldering first would likely work better than the tape. Randy "SteveB" wrote in message news:iV0_e.81966$DW1.25249@fed1read06... I made up a wire rope cable to put across a driveway. One end was already looped with a thimble and ferrule. On the other end, I was trying to cut the cable with some good bolt cutters, but couldn't get it good enough to fit through the tight ferrule. Am I missing something? Do I need to put solder on the wire rope, then cut it with a grinding wheel to get a nice enough end to put through the ferrule? I am using the ferrule that has room for two cables in it, and they fit tight. If there is ANY frayed wires, it won't go through. Do I need a better pair of bolt cutters? Mine is American and good, but it just smashes them down. This is pretty tough cable, and has several strands around an inner spiraled core strand. It is 1/4". Suggestions? Steve |
Wrap some tie wire around the wire rope next to where you intend to cut it.
As if you were repairing your fishing rod! Or if you take your time and don't let the wire rope get to hot as you cut, some insulation tape will do. Then attack with the angle grinder and the tie wire or tape will hold the ends from unravelling. Hope this helps, Peter |
Tape the cable 1/4" from the end and cut the cable with a 3" cut-off wheel.
JR Dweller in the cellar SteveB wrote: I made up a wire rope cable to put across a driveway. One end was already looped with a thimble and ferrule. On the other end, I was trying to cut the cable with some good bolt cutters, but couldn't get it good enough to fit through the tight ferrule. Am I missing something? Do I need to put solder on the wire rope, then cut it with a grinding wheel to get a nice enough end to put through the ferrule? I am using the ferrule that has room for two cables in it, and they fit tight. If there is ANY frayed wires, it won't go through. Do I need a better pair of bolt cutters? Mine is American and good, but it just smashes them down. This is pretty tough cable, and has several strands around an inner spiraled core strand. It is 1/4". Suggestions? Steve -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Home Page: http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth If you're not the lead dog, the view never changes Doubt yourself, and the real world will eat you alive The world doesn't revolve around you, it revolves around me No skeletons in the closet; just decomposing corpses -------------------------------------------------------------- Dependence is Vulnerability: -------------------------------------------------------------- "Open the Pod Bay Doors please, Hal" "I'm sorry, Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that.." |
there arew two types of crimp ferrules , lifting rated which run about 60
apiece and non lifting rated which run about 12 each I just spent two days making up lifting slings with the expensive ones and 5/16 wire rope 6x19 , a real pita they work like a charm though |
"williamhenry" wrote in message ... there arew two types of crimp ferrules , lifting rated which run about 60 apiece and non lifting rated which run about 12 each I just spent two days making up lifting slings with the expensive ones and 5/16 wire rope 6x19 , a real pita they work like a charm though Nothing works like good rigging. I ran a 30 ton crane on an offshore platform for three years. It was always a pleasure to have new slings, or just those that didn't have crushed wires, baskets, or fish hooks sticking out. I was really damn fussy about rigging, and taught my guys how to do it right. We never dropped anything, and never destroyed any rigging. We used a lot of 5/8" wire rope slings with socketed eyes. And, even though making the slings can be a PITA, when they are working and working right, it is a beautiful thing next to the alternative. Steve |
Zimmerman is right. Cold chisel & electrical tape is the way to fly. A sharp chisel against a heavy plate should leave a nice clean cut. Bruce "R. Zimmerman" wrote in message news:Pi1_e.554062$5V4.384017@pd7tw3no... I wrap the cable with electrical tape over about two inches then use a sharp cold chisel on a chunk of one inch plate. One good hammer blow does it. Your idea of soldering first would likely work better than the tape. Randy "SteveB" wrote in message news:iV0_e.81966$DW1.25249@fed1read06... I made up a wire rope cable to put across a driveway. One end was already looped with a thimble and ferrule. On the other end, I was trying to cut the cable with some good bolt cutters, but couldn't get it good enough to fit through the tight ferrule. Am I missing something? Do I need to put solder on the wire rope, then cut it with a grinding wheel to get a nice enough end to put through the ferrule? I am using the ferrule that has room for two cables in it, and they fit tight. If there is ANY frayed wires, it won't go through. Do I need a better pair of bolt cutters? Mine is American and good, but it just smashes them down. This is pretty tough cable, and has several strands around an inner spiraled core strand. It is 1/4". Suggestions? Steve |
"SteveB" wrote in message news:iV0_e.81966$DW1.25249@fed1read06... I made up a wire rope cable to put across a driveway. You know that there have been some decapitations connected with wire rope across roads? The cable is hard to see. You might want to sleeve the cable with some PVC to make it more visible. |
I just use a fine tooth hacksaw.
After you have cut the cable, look around on the internet for " Flemmish Eye". It is a fairly easy way to make a strong eye in a cable. Essentially you divide the cable into 3 strands and 4 strands for about three or four inches, and then reform the cable with an eye. Slip the ferule on the cable first. Dan |
I just use a fine tooth hacksaw.
After you have cut the cable, look around on the internet for " Flemmish Eye". It is a fairly easy way to make a strong eye in a cable. Essentially you divide the cable into 3 strands and 4 strands for about three or four inches, and then reform the cable with an eye. Slip the ferule on the cable first. Dan |
On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 18:05:22 -0700, "SteveB"
wrote: I made up a wire rope cable to put across a driveway. One end was already looped with a thimble and ferrule. On the other end, I was trying to cut the cable with some good bolt cutters, but couldn't get it good enough to fit through the tight ferrule. Am I missing something? Do I need to put solder on the wire rope, then cut it with a grinding wheel to get a nice enough end to put through the ferrule? I am using the ferrule that has room for two cables in it, and they fit tight. If there is ANY frayed wires, it won't go through. Do I need a better pair of bolt cutters? Mine is American and good, but it just smashes them down. This is pretty tough cable, and has several strands around an inner spiraled core strand. It is 1/4". Suggestions? Steve http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...1/chap12-2.htm Gunner "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner |
"Gunner" wrote in message ... On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 18:05:22 -0700, "SteveB" wrote: I made up a wire rope cable to put across a driveway. One end was already looped with a thimble and ferrule. On the other end, I was trying to cut the cable with some good bolt cutters, but couldn't get it good enough to fit through the tight ferrule. Am I missing something? Do I need to put solder on the wire rope, then cut it with a grinding wheel to get a nice enough end to put through the ferrule? I am using the ferrule that has room for two cables in it, and they fit tight. If there is ANY frayed wires, it won't go through. Do I need a better pair of bolt cutters? Mine is American and good, but it just smashes them down. This is pretty tough cable, and has several strands around an inner spiraled core strand. It is 1/4". Suggestions? Steve http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...1/chap12-2.htm Gunner One step ahead of you. I already did a "poorboy splice", called a "molly hogan" in your literature. I then put a Crosby clamp on the tail. I want to put a ferrule on there so that it can't be taken apart with just a wrench. I know a person with bolt cutters could just cut it, but I just want to slow down the amateurs. Steve |
"ATP*" wrote in message ... "SteveB" wrote in message news:iV0_e.81966$DW1.25249@fed1read06... I made up a wire rope cable to put across a driveway. You know that there have been some decapitations connected with wire rope across roads? The cable is hard to see. You might want to sleeve the cable with some PVC to make it more visible. My driveway is 1/4 mile inside a gated area. There are only four people who have access to the area with keys. Anyone else inside that perimeter is there without permission. Perhaps they should read the musings of Darwin. BTW, I have a 12x14 fluorescent sign, and four reflectors hanging on the cable. Steve, who has no sympathy for trespassers or thieves. |
ATP* wrote:
"SteveB" wrote in message news:iV0_e.81966$DW1.25249@fed1read06... I made up a wire rope cable to put across a driveway. You know that there have been some decapitations connected with wire rope across roads? The cable is hard to see. You might want to sleeve the cable with some PVC to make it more visible. A very good friend of mine lost his son to one of those cables. He was IIRC, 14 years old. He helped me in the shop sometimes. He had IT. Would have been a very good machinist. Make sure the cable is VERY visible, or consider a gate. |
Gunner wrote: http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...1/chap12-2.htm What a great resource! Thanks. Gunner. Max ben-Aaron |
Hey Steve,
I see others have already suggested the method we used for 35 years on cable and air-cord up to 1/4". Pick the desired cut point, run a continuous VERY TIGHT wind of GOOD black electrical tape (3M 33 is good) over it and for an inch either side (total 2 inch long about 3 to 4 thicknesses of tape). You should be able to "see" the lays of the strands "through" the tape if you got it tight enough. Then, on the standing part (that is the part that will be used) wrap another tape-width wind or two of the tape about 1/4" clear of the first tape, to serve as a "secondary" seizing for later. A good pair of 10" diagonals, or a cable cutter, or even a cold chisel and steel plate as last resort, and then CUT THROUGH THE TAPE AND ALL, with just ONE squeeze or blow. I think that the others who wrote may have meant that, but it was NOT stated. Cutting "outside" the taped area, or any "nibbling" the cut, will leave a messy end. When you remove the scrap tape to shove the end through the ferrule the first time, the second tape you applied will help hold the wire "round" while you do so, and if you shove it through and then re-tape it lightly as it goes, it will continue to stay "round" and you'll be ready to shove it back through again. Good luck. Heed the warning about the DANGER you are presenting to people with the cable gate/fence. Take care. Brian Lawson, Bothwell, Ontario. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 18:05:22 -0700, "SteveB" wrote: I made up a wire rope cable to put across a driveway. One end was already looped with a thimble and ferrule. On the other end, I was trying to cut the cable with some good bolt cutters, but couldn't get it good enough to fit through the tight ferrule. Am I missing something? Do I need to put solder on the wire rope, then cut it with a grinding wheel to get a nice enough end to put through the ferrule? I am using the ferrule that has room for two cables in it, and they fit tight. If there is ANY frayed wires, it won't go through. Do I need a better pair of bolt cutters? Mine is American and good, but it just smashes them down. This is pretty tough cable, and has several strands around an inner spiraled core strand. It is 1/4". Suggestions? Steve |
SteveB wrote: I made up a wire rope cable to put across a driveway. One end was already looped with a thimble and ferrule. On the other end, I was trying to cut the cable with some good bolt cutters, but couldn't get it good enough to fit through the tight ferrule. Am I missing something? Do I need to put solder on the wire rope, then cut it with a grinding wheel to get a nice enough end to put through the ferrule? I am using the ferrule that has room for two cables in it, and they fit tight. If there is ANY frayed wires, it won't go through. Do I need a better pair of bolt cutters? Mine is American and good, but it just smashes them down. This is pretty tough cable, and has several strands around an inner spiraled core strand. It is 1/4". Suggestions? Steve I cut it with a gas welding torch,not a burning torch.Use a small hot flame and melt your way through it.With a bit of practice you get a nice tidy end with the strands all welded together. regards,Mark. |
Do I need a better pair of bolt cutters? Mine is American and good, but it
just smashes them down. This is pretty tough cable, and has several strands around an inner spiraled core strand. It is 1/4". Suggestions? I have cut wire rope with a dremel tool using a cutoff disk. Works great. |
"SteveB" wrote in message news:iV0_e.81966$DW1.25249@fed1read06... Am I missing something? Yes. A pair of wire rope cutters. As said in another post, these are bypass type cutters. Any good marine store or marine supplier on the net (e.g., West Marine) has these for sale. 1/4" wire rope is about the limit. Do I need to put solder on the wire rope, then cut it with a grinding wheel to get a nice enough end to put through the ferrule? I am using the ferrule that has room for two cables in it, and they fit tight. If there is ANY frayed wires, it won't go through. No need for solder. Ever. Just the right cutters. Boris -- ------------------------------------- Boris Beizer Ph.D. Seminars and Consulting 1232 Glenbrook Road on Software Testing and Huntingdon Valley, PA 19006 Quality Assurance TEL: 215-572-5580 FAX: 215-886-0144 Email bsquare "at" earthlink.net ------------------------------------------ |
I have had this problem with cable as small as 1/8" and smaller. I do
a lot of crimping on small size wire rope and have the crimper that looks like a bolt cutter with notches in the jaws. The hardware store has two sizes, one goes through 1/8" and the other goes up to 1/4" I have the small size, and both of them have a special cutter built into the crimper. It looks like a hook and a flat jaw that shears the strands while supporting them with 1/8" thick steel. I have used diagonal wire cutters, tin snips, even hacksaw blades but they always screw everything up. The cutter is the only way to do it that I have found. |
I have been cutting a lot of it lately. Seriously expensive 316 ($3/foot)
stainless that has to fit into outrageously expensive ($35-$50 each) Norseman fittings. It has to be a clean cut or it will not fit and I only have about 2" of tolerance to work with. I wrap 3 or 4 turns of regular masking tape over the cut area and use a fine tooth hack saw. Simple, works great and you probably already have the tools. -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com "SteveB" wrote in message news:iV0_e.81966$DW1.25249@fed1read06... I made up a wire rope cable to put across a driveway. One end was already looped with a thimble and ferrule. On the other end, I was trying to cut the cable with some good bolt cutters, but couldn't get it good enough to fit through the tight ferrule. Am I missing something? Do I need to put solder on the wire rope, then cut it with a grinding wheel to get a nice enough end to put through the ferrule? I am using the ferrule that has room for two cables in it, and they fit tight. If there is ANY frayed wires, it won't go through. Do I need a better pair of bolt cutters? Mine is American and good, but it just smashes them down. This is pretty tough cable, and has several strands around an inner spiraled core strand. It is 1/4". Suggestions? Steve |
On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 18:05:22 -0700, "SteveB"
wrote: Do I need a better pair of bolt cutters? Mine is American and good, but it just smashes them down. This is pretty tough cable, and has several strands around an inner spiraled core strand. It is 1/4". Suggestions? Hi Steve, For modestly sized wire rope, wrap it up tightly with electrical tape. Then get a sharp chisel and a BFH. The chisel will cut through cleanly and the tape will hold the individual strands. Rob =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California www.rustyiron.com |
In article lVn_e.28426$hp.25696@lakeread08, Glenn Ashmore
wrote: I have been cutting a lot of it lately. Seriously expensive 316 ($3/foot) stainless that has to fit into outrageously expensive ($35-$50 each) Norseman fittings. It has to be a clean cut or it will not fit and I only have about 2" of tolerance to work with. Well, Glen, if you'd used galvanised wire instead of s/steel, you'd have gotten a better structural material at a fraction of the cost. Yes I know, it's not 'yachty' and it's not all nice and shiny, but it *is* better wire, structurally. And this is r.c.m, not r.b.b. I wrap 3 or 4 turns of regular masking tape over the cut area and use a fine tooth hack saw. Simple, works great and you probably already have the tools. I use a set of parrot beak cutters for small diameters, or a hydraulic cutter for big diameters. PDW |
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