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Old October 11th 03, 06:45 PM
Dan
 
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Very modern, very well equipped. Very little "real" detail, but an
interesting read nonetheless.

One of the computer geek pages went to China to tour a case manufacturer:
http://www6.tomshardware.com/howto/20031006/index.html

Of note: the lack of any safety equipment... OSHA would have an heart
attack!
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Old October 11th 03, 09:13 PM
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"Dan" wrote:
Of note: the lack of any safety equipment... OSHA would have
an heart attack!



OSHA is one of the reasons why that factory is in China and not in America.

I'm not suggesting that worker safety should be ignored, but OSHA has become
one of the many bloated self-serving government bureaucracies that has
contributed to forcing manufacturing overseas. I'm sure many of you are
familiar with the MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheet). Did you know that OSHA
even has an MSDS for saline eye wash solution (pure water with a little bit
of salt added)? I came across that little gem when working in the Navy: I
couldn't believe it when I saw it. It wouldn't surprise me if there was an
MSDS for distilled water.

Lawyers, bureaucrats, and socialists will be the death of this nation.


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Old October 11th 03, 10:42 PM
Gary Coffman
 
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On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 10:45:54 -0700, "Dan" wrote:

Very modern, very well equipped. Very little "real" detail, but an
interesting read nonetheless.

One of the computer geek pages went to China to tour a case manufacturer:
http://www6.tomshardware.com/howto/20031006/index.html

Of note: the lack of any safety equipment... OSHA would have an heart
attack!
(Slashdot readers have posted many comments here as well:
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=0...id=126&tid=137 )

-D


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Old October 12th 03, 01:26 AM
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"DeepDiver" wrote in message
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"Dan" wrote:
Of note: the lack of any safety equipment... OSHA would have
an heart attack!



OSHA is one of the reasons why that factory is in China and not in

America.

I'm not suggesting that worker safety should be ignored, but OSHA has

become
one of the many bloated self-serving government bureaucracies that has
contributed to forcing manufacturing overseas. I'm sure many of you are
familiar with the MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheet). Did you know that

OSHA
even has an MSDS for saline eye wash solution (pure water with a little

bit
of salt added)? I came across that little gem when working in the Navy: I
couldn't believe it when I saw it. It wouldn't surprise me if there was an
MSDS for distilled water.


OSHA and EPA regulations combined amount to around 8% of manufacturing cost
in the US. The wage differential between high-quality workers in China and
high-quality workers in the US runs around 96%.

So you have an 8% solution here to a 96% problem.



Lawyers, bureaucrats, and socialists will be the death of this nation.


If anything kills manufacturing in the US, it will be doctrinaire,
conservative free-trade economics.

Ed Huntress


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Old October 12th 03, 01:33 AM
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Ed Huntress wrote:

If anything kills manufacturing in the US, it will be doctrinaire,
conservative free-trade economics.


Fair trade and free trade seem to be completely different things.

Strangely those same people who promote "free trade" are deathly afraid
of China.

If we ever do have to fight China we will have to do it with what ever
is on hand because all our production facilities will have moved over
there. That war will not be about oil so much as about computer chips
and machine tools.

--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
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Old October 12th 03, 01:58 AM
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Not to defend all of the OSHA idiocy, but I'd rather be able to read an MSDS
and determine that there is nothing hazardous in it than have to guess.

"DeepDiver" wrote in message
...
"Dan" wrote:
Of note: the lack of any safety equipment... OSHA would have
an heart attack!



OSHA is one of the reasons why that factory is in China and not in

America.

I'm not suggesting that worker safety should be ignored, but OSHA has

become
one of the many bloated self-serving government bureaucracies that has
contributed to forcing manufacturing overseas. I'm sure many of you are
familiar with the MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheet). Did you know that

OSHA
even has an MSDS for saline eye wash solution (pure water with a little

bit
of salt added)? I came across that little gem when working in the Navy: I
couldn't believe it when I saw it. It wouldn't surprise me if there was an
MSDS for distilled water.

Lawyers, bureaucrats, and socialists will be the death of this nation.




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Old October 12th 03, 02:10 AM
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"Glenn Ashmore" wrote in message
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Ed Huntress wrote:

If anything kills manufacturing in the US, it will be doctrinaire,
conservative free-trade economics.


Fair trade and free trade seem to be completely different things.


Yeah, for starters, free trade is a myth. Fair trade is in the eye of the
beholder. Making trade with France and Germany "fairer" would be good for
everyone. Making trade with China "fairer" would do absolutely nothing at
all.


Strangely those same people who promote "free trade" are deathly afraid
of China.


They know their policies are a crock of baloney; they just haven't faced up
to the implications of it yet. This is not speculation on my part. This is
the result of the research I did for my two articles on China trade earlier
this year.


If we ever do have to fight China we will have to do it with what ever
is on hand because all our production facilities will have moved over
there. That war will not be about oil so much as about computer chips
and machine tools.


You may want to see an article I just wrote about that. It's 5500 words --
make sure you have some spare time. g

It's in the September issue of Machining. I suspect it will be up on the
website within a couple of weeks, if not already.

Ed Huntress



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Old October 12th 03, 02:16 AM
Lennie the Lurker
 
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To reply to Deep Diver who has munged things so badly that google
posting can't find his posting, Bull**** in large quantities with a
conservative syrup on it. The reason those factories are there is
that the people that use them, importers and other middlemen, have
only greed on their minds. Profits are good, unemployment is good, or
that's what the GWeeB and his pack of morons are trying to tell us.

As far as OSHA, I suppose you'd rather see working people torn apart
by open belts, machines without guards on moving parts, or fork trucks
with bad brakes, it goes right along with your small mental ability.
Doesn't interfere with someone's right to kill for profit. (May you
be the next victim)

BTW, Hows come when business asswipes join together, you're all for
it, but when working stiffs do the same thing, you call us socialist?
Permanent malfunction of the brain? Or permanent lack of one?
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Old October 12th 03, 03:03 AM
Glenn Ashmore
 
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Ed Huntress wrote:



You may want to see an article I just wrote about that. It's 5500
words -- make sure you have some spare time. g

It's in the September issue of Machining. I suspect it will be up on
the website within a couple of weeks, if not already.

Ed Huntress


I saw the April article. Was the June one yours too? I didn't see any
atribution so I thought it was a staff editorial.

--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com

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Old October 12th 03, 03:07 AM
Glenn Ashmore
 
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Mike Henry wrote:

Not to defend all of the OSHA idiocy, but I'd rather be able to read an MSDS
and determine that there is nothing hazardous in it than have to guess.


I don't know about that. I got an MSDS with a box of carbide inserts
the other day. It didn't say anything about mangling your fingers or
putting your eyes out. ;-)

--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com



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