Decide for yourself, y'all. I'm about as gullible as they come,
but the last go-round on the "Can I use a stock SIGNAL GENERATOR to
drive an H bridge" has convinced me that it and perhaps other posts
from Ignoramus have been trolls.

It appears that willingness and eagerness to help must now be tempered
with a degree of skepticism on this n.g. I'm sorry to see that.
I've been here since Altovoz days. I have a pretty high tolerance
for bull****, as long as there are a few I can learn from and a few I
might occasionally help. I have several good friends I found on
this n.g. and several more casual friends that I enjoy corresponding
with from time to time. At least two of those good friends have
abandoned RCM as no longer worth the time to read. I'm glad I got to
know them when I did, and we continue to correspond frequently about
matters of mutual interest.

I have no problem mostly ignoring the political stuff. It's usually
easy to recognize from the subject line. It's no more appropriate in
this forum than dog**** is on a residential sidewalk -- but it
happens, and it's easy enough to avoid.

I suppose I should only be ****ed at me, because I was dumb enough to
get trolled. Whatever. I'm ****ed and disappointed. Things used
to be better on rcm.

I'll get over it, and I'll probably still be around now and then.

Don Foreman wrote:
Decide for yourself, y'all. I'm about as gullible as they come,
but the last go-round on the "Can I use a stock SIGNAL GENERATOR to
drive an H bridge" has convinced me that it and perhaps other posts
from Ignoramus have been trolls.

That didn't seem like a troll post to me. If you ask me, Cliff is RCM's
resident troll.

Chris

I call him Ignoranus. LOL He contacted me about buying a welder and
conned me into buying a shipping container, then suddenly backed out of
the deal. I don't even read any of his posts anymore.
Bugs

Iggy has not been kill filed, gunner has been, Cliff sticks to EITHER
completely off topic or on, makes headers to match.

Christopher Tidy wrote:

Don Foreman wrote:

Decide for yourself, y'all. I'm about as gullible as they come,
but the last go-round on the "Can I use a stock SIGNAL GENERATOR to
drive an H bridge" has convinced me that it and perhaps other posts
from Ignoramus have been trolls.


That didn't seem like a troll post to me. If you ask me, Cliff is RCM's
resident troll.

Chris

"Don Foreman" wrote in message
...
Decide for yourself, y'all. I'm about as gullible as they come,
but the last go-round on the "Can I use a stock SIGNAL GENERATOR to
drive an H bridge" has convinced me that it and perhaps other
posts
from Ignoramus have been trolls.

It appears that willingness and eagerness to help must now be
tempered
with a degree of skepticism on this n.g. I'm sorry to see that.
I've been here since Altovoz days. I have a pretty high
tolerance
for bull****, as long as there are a few I can learn from and a few
I
might occasionally help. I have several good friends I found on
this n.g. and several more casual friends that I enjoy
corresponding
with from time to time. At least two of those good friends have
abandoned RCM as no longer worth the time to read. I'm glad I got
to
know them when I did, and we continue to correspond frequently
about
matters of mutual interest.

I have no problem mostly ignoring the political stuff. It's
usually
easy to recognize from the subject line. It's no more appropriate
in
this forum than dog**** is on a residential sidewalk -- but it
happens, and it's easy enough to avoid.

I suppose I should only be ****ed at me, because I was dumb enough
to
get trolled. Whatever. I'm ****ed and disappointed. Things used
to be better on rcm.

I'll get over it, and I'll probably still be around now and then.

I haven't been reading much of the inverter/H bridge thread either,
but he never really struck me as being a troll. He's just not burdened
by knowing what will work and what won't, what's easy and what
isn't-sorta like a lot of us were when we were kids!

Wonder what ever happened to 'Voz....

In article , Don Foreman says...

Decide for yourself, y'all. I'm about as gullible as they come,
but the last go-round on the "Can I use a stock SIGNAL GENERATOR to
drive an H bridge" has convinced me that it and perhaps other posts
from Ignoramus have been trolls.

Honestly I doubt it. The photos he posted of the phase converter
he made were quite convincing. Also the give-and-take about suggestions
for improvements seem to have been incorporated rapidly.

He may well be operating out of his depth to some degree but then
that's how all of us got started at one time....

Jim


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please reply to:
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Don Foreman wrote:

Decide for yourself, y'all. I'm about as gullible as they come,
but the last go-round on the "Can I use a stock SIGNAL GENERATOR to
drive an H bridge" has convinced me that it and perhaps other posts
from Ignoramus have been trolls.

It appears that willingness and eagerness to help must now be tempered
with a degree of skepticism on this n.g. I'm sorry to see that.
I've been here since Altovoz days. I have a pretty high tolerance
for bull****, as long as there are a few I can learn from and a few I
might occasionally help. I have several good friends I found on
this n.g. and several more casual friends that I enjoy corresponding
with from time to time. At least two of those good friends have
abandoned RCM as no longer worth the time to read. I'm glad I got to
know them when I did, and we continue to correspond frequently about
matters of mutual interest.

I have no problem mostly ignoring the political stuff. It's usually
easy to recognize from the subject line. It's no more appropriate in
this forum than dog**** is on a residential sidewalk -- but it
happens, and it's easy enough to avoid.

I suppose I should only be ****ed at me, because I was dumb enough to
get trolled. Whatever. I'm ****ed and disappointed. Things used
to be better on rcm.

I'll get over it, and I'll probably still be around now and then.





I haven't made up my mind yet about whether that recent welder/inverter
thread was a troll or not. I stayed out of it, because once I see you
check in on a thread involving solid state circuit design Don, I figure
there's little or nothing my outdated design experience can contribute.

If it was a troll, he should get a Pulitzer for creative and serious
sounding responses. And, IME most trolls stop with the original post,
it's the flamers who carry on endlessly.

I believe with all false modesty that it's generally easier for a EE to
understand and analogize (izzat a word?) to things mechanical than it is
for someone from the nuts and bolts side to do in the opposite direction.

That's probably because our maker, or evolution, gave us eyes, ears and
the other parts of our nervous systems which let us observe and feel
many things about structures and machines. Lifelong observation helps
us understand mechanical things more intuitively than an unschooled
person with no test equipment observing things in the world of
electronics can. (Nasty shocks, blinding arcs and the acrid smell of
burning insulation excepted.)

But, I must say that some of ignoramus' posts do start thoughts like
these stirring in my mind:

"Fools rush in where angels dare to tread."

"Jeeze Louise, I don't know if he's a smart guy trying to put me on, or
an idiot being serious."

"Doesn't that guy EVER listen to anyone?"

******************************

Anyway, I'm gonna stick around here, it's more entertaining and cheaper
than the movies these days.

Jeff

--
Jeffry Wisnia

(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)

"Truth exists; only falsehood has to be invented."

In article ,
says...


I believe with all false modesty that it's generally easier for a EE to
understand and analogize (izzat a word?) to things mechanical than it is
for someone from the nuts and bolts side to do in the opposite direction.

Perhaps true if you limit yourself to the sorts of subjects
that typically pop up here, but you need only look back at
some of the previous threads on thermodynamics and the
behavior of compressible fluids to find a counterexample.
Some really bad analogizing g from the electrical side
going on there.

Ned Simmons

"Ned Simmons" wrote in message
...
In article ,
says...


I believe with all false modesty that it's generally easier for a EE to
understand and analogize (izzat a word?) to things mechanical than it is
for someone from the nuts and bolts side to do in the opposite direction.

Perhaps true if you limit yourself to the sorts of subjects
that typically pop up here, but you need only look back at
some of the previous threads on thermodynamics and the
behavior of compressible fluids to find a counterexample.
Some really bad analogizing g from the electrical side
going on there.

Ned Simmons

Yes. I think many were not convinced, or could not admit they were wrong.

Jeff Wisnia wrote:


I haven't made up my mind yet about whether that recent welder/inverter
thread was a troll or not.

Well, Iggy would not be the first guy on r.c.m to jump into a project
knowing almost nothing about the intricacies involved. I do this
regularly, and find out there are vast areas of special knowledge
in all sorts of areas that I had no idea even existed!

I've done power electronic design, and found out that there are all
sorts of gremlins that might cause a flaky quirk in other electronics,
but causes many dollars of power transistors to explode when it
deals with power and voltages significantly above 5 V.

Jon

Don Foreman wrote:
Decide for yourself, y'all.

"Tool?"...yes, "troll?", probably not.

walt

Anyone that doesn't post about: Speeds/feeds, HSS vs. carbide, Good drills
vs. junk drills, is a troll!
From now on, please limit your posts to these topics!

"Don Foreman" wrote in message
...
Decide for yourself, y'all. I'm about as gullible as they come,
but the last go-round on the "Can I use a stock SIGNAL GENERATOR to
drive an H bridge" has convinced me that it and perhaps other posts
from Ignoramus have been trolls.

It appears that willingness and eagerness to help must now be tempered
with a degree of skepticism on this n.g. I'm sorry to see that.
I've been here since Altovoz days. I have a pretty high tolerance
for bull****, as long as there are a few I can learn from and a few I
might occasionally help. I have several good friends I found on
this n.g. and several more casual friends that I enjoy corresponding
with from time to time. At least two of those good friends have
abandoned RCM as no longer worth the time to read. I'm glad I got to
know them when I did, and we continue to correspond frequently about
matters of mutual interest.

I have no problem mostly ignoring the political stuff. It's usually
easy to recognize from the subject line. It's no more appropriate in
this forum than dog**** is on a residential sidewalk -- but it
happens, and it's easy enough to avoid.

I suppose I should only be ****ed at me, because I was dumb enough to
get trolled. Whatever. I'm ****ed and disappointed. Things used
to be better on rcm.

I'll get over it, and I'll probably still be around now and then.

Ned Simmons wrote:

In article ,
says...


I believe with all false modesty that it's generally easier for a EE to
understand and analogize (izzat a word?) to things mechanical than it is
for someone from the nuts and bolts side to do in the opposite direction.


Perhaps true if you limit yourself to the sorts of subjects
that typically pop up here, but you need only look back at
some of the previous threads on thermodynamics and the
behavior of compressible fluids to find a counterexample.

Hey, who brought physics into this? I never liked the stuff, and now
with string theory and all that new guff it's more of an insider's game
than the petroleum market. I'll to stick with electronics and mechanical
stuff and leave physics to the profs.

Even Steven Hawkings, In an interview I just read in the latest issue of
Discover magazine, said that he's changed his mind and given up thinking
man will ever find a unified theory. He said something to the effect
that it would remove the thrill of the challenge if we did. :-)

Some really bad analogizing g from the electrical side
going on there.

Ned Simmons

And I thought that wasn't really a word, but it looks like I was wrong
again:

http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionar...y&va=analogize

**********************************

Words can be tricky....

Little Johnny was asked by his teacher to make a sentence using the word
'fascinate'.

He thought a while and then replied, "My sister's sweater has ten
buttons but her boobs are so big she can only fasten eight."

Jeff

--
Jeffry Wisnia

(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)

"Truth exists; only falsehood has to be invented."

"Jeff Wisnia" wrote in message
...

snip

I believe with all false modesty that it's generally easier for a EE to
understand and analogize (izzat a word?) to things mechanical than it is
for someone from the nuts and bolts side to do in the opposite direction.

That's probably because our maker, or evolution, gave us eyes, ears and
the other parts of our nervous systems which let us observe and feel
many things about structures and machines. Lifelong observation helps
us understand mechanical things more intuitively than an unschooled
person with no test equipment observing things in the world of
electronics can. (Nasty shocks, blinding arcs and the acrid smell of
burning insulation excepted.)


As an electrical guy who has been around almost as long, (I'm not quite
retired yet...), I'll offer a simpler viewpoint. No one can see what goes
on inside, for example, a transistor, so we develop an ability to visualize.
Test equipment provides a small window into bits and pieces of a circuit and
from that, we infer everything that is happening.

A good mechanical guy develops a similar skill: the ability to look at,
say, a gear box and envision what is happening inside of it, even without
ever having seen the insides of it. One simply understands what HAS to be
in there.

Which reminds me (drifting a little away from the topic at hand, but a fun
exercise for folks who like to visualize such things...): A friend of mine
once had a little device, about the size of a postcard, a little less than
an inch thick. It had two shafts coming out the side, call them shafts "A"
and "B." If you turned shaft A clockwise, shaft B turned clockwise at the
same rate. If you turned shaft A counter-clockwise, shaft B turned
clockwise at one fourth the speed of shaft A. If you tried to turn shaft B,
it wouldn't budge. The case was rivited and couldn't be opened. (I admit
it took me quite a while before I figured out how it worked...)

Jerry

Jerry Foster wrote:
"Jeff Wisnia" wrote in message
...

snip

I believe with all false modesty that it's generally easier for a EE to
understand and analogize (izzat a word?) to things mechanical than it is
for someone from the nuts and bolts side to do in the opposite direction.

That's probably because our maker, or evolution, gave us eyes, ears and
the other parts of our nervous systems which let us observe and feel
many things about structures and machines. Lifelong observation helps
us understand mechanical things more intuitively than an unschooled
person with no test equipment observing things in the world of
electronics can. (Nasty shocks, blinding arcs and the acrid smell of
burning insulation excepted.)



As an electrical guy who has been around almost as long, (I'm not quite
retired yet...), I'll offer a simpler viewpoint. No one can see what goes
on inside, for example, a transistor, so we develop an ability to visualize.
Test equipment provides a small window into bits and pieces of a circuit and
from that, we infer everything that is happening.

A good mechanical guy develops a similar skill: the ability to look at,
say, a gear box and envision what is happening inside of it, even without
ever having seen the insides of it. One simply understands what HAS to be
in there.

Which reminds me (drifting a little away from the topic at hand, but a fun
exercise for folks who like to visualize such things...): A friend of mine
once had a little device, about the size of a postcard, a little less than
an inch thick. It had two shafts coming out the side, call them shafts "A"
and "B." If you turned shaft A clockwise, shaft B turned clockwise at the
same rate. If you turned shaft A counter-clockwise, shaft B turned
clockwise at one fourth the speed of shaft A. If you tried to turn shaft B,
it wouldn't budge. The case was rivited and couldn't be opened. (I admit
it took me quite a while before I figured out how it worked...)

Jerry



There's probably a much easier way, but if I had to come up with a
design approach which satisfied the functional description in less that
five minutes, I'd say this:

Use two roller clutches to separate the CW and CCW rotations of shaft A,
then step up each clutch's output with "speed up" gearing, say 1:10 on
the CW clutch output one and 1:2.5 on the CCW clutch.

Then use two more roller clutches to merge the outputs of those trains
into the worm shaft of a 10:1 worm gear reducer. The worm wheel shaft is
shaft B.

The worm gearing would prevent shaft B from rotating if you tried to
twist it.

Jeff
--
Jeffry Wisnia

(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)

"Truth exists; only falsehood has to be invented."

We would love to see the updated photos.

TMT

Well, at the very least, NOW you have been immortalized!
You should send Don an rpc, or a compressor sumpn....
----------------------------
Mr. P.V.'d
formerly Droll Troll
"Ignoramus21796" wrote in message
...
Forgot to say. I am also mentioned in Wikipedia, in its article
"Internet troll", as creator of newsgroup alt.genius.bill-palmer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

That said, I just like messing around with various things and my
participation here is not for the purposes of trolling. Pictures of my
projects may offer a bit of proof.

i

On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 16:33:10 GMT, Ignoramus21796
wrote:
I did troll on occasion and was nominated for Troll of the Year
1996. Unfortunately, the TotY election was overwhelmed by a couple of
extremely violent kook of the month elections, and so was not held.

That said, I never trolled in this ng, and I would not equate asking
ignorant but bona fide questions with trolling.

i



--

On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 16:49:57 +0000, Ignoramus21796 wrote:

Forgot to say. I am also mentioned in Wikipedia, in its article
"Internet troll", as creator of newsgroup alt.genius.bill-palmer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

Aaaaah, so you're the cat who created that group. I hang out in
another group that gets cross-posts from a.g.b-p whenever Bill "The
Experimental Usenet Writer" Palmer goes off his meds.

Not that I mind or anything; just saying.

What happened to yer forklift?
----------------------------
Mr. P.V.'d
formerly Droll Troll
"Ignoramus21796" wrote in message
...
On 10 Sep 2005 17:09:47 -0700, Too_Many_Tools
wrote:
We would love to see the updated photos.

I will post some. I have a table saw sitting on top of my phase
converter (to save space), but it does not obstruct the view.

i

"I've been here since Altavoz days".

OH NO! Don, you did it; you invoked the dreaded demon by name.....and
just the other day there was a post here about mobile machine
shops.....

Coming soon to your local newsreader: "The Return of Alta**z".
Arghhh! Who we gonna call?

In article ,
says...
Ned Simmons wrote:

In article ,
says...


I believe with all false modesty that it's generally easier for a EE to
understand and analogize (izzat a word?) to things mechanical than it is
for someone from the nuts and bolts side to do in the opposite direction.


Perhaps true if you limit yourself to the sorts of subjects
that typically pop up here, but you need only look back at
some of the previous threads on thermodynamics and the
behavior of compressible fluids to find a counterexample.

Hey, who brought physics into this? I never liked the stuff, and now
with string theory and all that new guff it's more of an insider's game
than the petroleum market. I'll to stick with electronics and mechanical
stuff and leave physics to the profs.

Physics? What would you have all us MEs do after our second
semester (besides party and whore around) if we left thermo
and all that follows to the physicists?


Even Steven Hawkings, In an interview I just read in the latest issue of
Discover magazine, said that he's changed his mind and given up thinking
man will ever find a unified theory. He said something to the effect
that it would remove the thrill of the challenge if we did. :-)

Sounds like sour grapes to me g.

Ned Simmons
Tufts University ME '74

On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 02:12:52 -0500, Don Foreman
wrote:

Decide for yourself, y'all.

OK, I'm simmered down. Opinions noted, some good points made.

LOL at Ned Simmons' post. Right on, Ned! I recall that thread.
Guess what EE bought a copy of Fermi's book on thermodynamics -- and
is still reading it a bit at a time? That book was really a find,
thanks to whomever suggested it. (Ned?) I still don't understand
what the hell entropy is, but I hope to before I shuffle. I doubt
if anyone could explain it any more eloquently than Fermi did, I
just need to keep working on it until I "get it". Might take awhile.

I see nothing wrong with asking for help on a project. I'd hope
that's at least part of what this group is all about.

What burned me was Ig's seeming abuse of the group by preferring to
post questions than do the most basic (suggested) homework -- and then
politely acknowledging (and subsequently ignoring) some good
responses.

The one that ripped it for me was when he said he had the IR2110
datasheet in front of him but couldn't find a description of what it
does. The whole damned datasheet is a "description of what it does".
A section of the datasheet has a narrative with the title
"Description". Easier to post yet another question than to read the
bloody datasheet. He did say he'd check some more, don't know if
that means actually reading it or what....

Now, I have no problem with lazy. I like to think I've brought the
art of lazy to a high state of refinement. I practice lazy every day
and I'm getting good at it. But I do have a tic about integrity.
I don't ask another to do my work so I can be lazy, unless I pay
them fairly with money or services (labor) exchanged-in-kind.

Color me dinosaur. I don't carry a cellphone either.

Ig's asking the group to guide him thru a design when he won't even
read a datasheet is, I think, abusive. He persists even when it
should be clear (was amply shown) that this project is far beyond
his present skill level, while showing near zero effort in working
to improve his skill.

Contrast this to Chris Tidy, who posted questions about welding --
vague questions at first, but they got particular very quickly with
some feedback and his posted photos. He heeded guidance received,
spent more time welding than typing -- and thence produced some welds
I would not be a bit ashamed of if they were mine. Well done, Chris!

Ig sez he successfully built a phase converter with a little help
from others. I'd say the group successfully built ig a phase
converter with lots of traffic. Dozens or hundreds of RPC's have been
built by others with one or fewer posts needed, as: see
http://www.metalwebnews.com/howto/ph-conv/ph-conv.html

All that said, what could be wrong with a "group project" for all
that enjoy participating? My tic is my problem.

I'm eagerly awaiting first photos. Charred spots on the bench count.
It's a rite of passage. There ain't a power elex designer alive that
has skipped it. Use of modern simulation tools can help enormously,
but no simulation (or even datasheet) is perfect. POW!

My entry, circa late '70's, was to cremate the entire available
midwest inventory (a shoebox full) of a certain Unitrode switching
power transistor in a couple of very long days, working against a
design acceptance deadline. I found the problem when I had only
two left. I'd specified a nylon tywrap to secure a toroidal
inductor, the packaging guy had substituted a machine screw and
aluminum bracket -- better mechanical design but it formed a shorted
turn. POW. Found that about 2200 on second 24-hour day, only
because the tech had flat run out of steam so I soldered in the part
myself -- and spotted the aw**** while I was in there slinging solder.

I didn't know whether to scream the vilest of epithets or sing out
with jubilation. I did both. Nobody seemed to object.

Had the proto going, passed all tests by 2300, on a chartered small
plane by 0100 headed for Florida to make the customer's annual
new-product-evaluation deadline at 0800 that day in Tallahassee.

About 0430 the pilot said Tallahassee was socked in and weather was
getting ugly, he'd have to land somewhere in the boonies of GA. He
found a rarely-used boondocks airfield. The sheriff showed up
within minutes of landing, suspecting we might be drugrunners.
Some explanation ensued, some money changed hands (naturally), the
sherriff's son was rousted outta bed and showed up in an old but
souped-up pickup a few minutes later. They loaded the outhouse-sized
"system" into the pickup and hauled ass for Tallahassee (sherriff's
son at the wheel) with the knowledge that a speeding ticket was
extremely unlikely in GA if we stayed off the State-patrolled
Interstate.

We made it. On the dock at 0755. After subsequent testing by the
customer (in due time, y'all), the system was accepted and we were
approved for production. Designing power elex can be fun!

On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 00:39:26 -0500, the renowned Don Foreman
wrote:


My entry, circa late '70's,

most of story snipped for brevity

We made it. On the dock at 0755. After subsequent testing by the
customer (in due time, y'all), the system was accepted and we were
approved for production. Designing power elex can be fun!


That's what I call "Just in Time" delivery! ;-)

Artemia Salina wrote:
On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 16:49:57 +0000, Ignoramus21796 wrote:


Forgot to say. I am also mentioned in Wikipedia, in its article
"Internet troll", as creator of newsgroup alt.genius.bill-palmer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll


Aaaaah, so you're the cat who created that group. I hang out in
another group that gets cross-posts from a.g.b-p whenever Bill "The
Experimental Usenet Writer" Palmer goes off his meds.

Not that I mind or anything; just saying.

Just out of curiousity, how does one go about creating a USENET group?
Presumably anyone who can set up a news server can make groups, but then
they have to persuade other servers to hold the groups?

Chris

On trolling in general, and from an earlier post:

Ned sez:

"It's a pretty unusual feature on small (10-20HP?) VFDs. In
20+ years of building and working around industrial
machinery I've never actually run across a small VFD that
wouldn't run on single phase."

So, see Ned, how you've cut through tons of technical BS and gotten right
through to the central (and simple) theme of the subject at hand. Hey! No
reading of spec sheets for you - you made an assumption and acted on it. It
sorta stands to reason if a 3-phase motor can run on single-phase juice then
so can a VFD. So simple! We doesn't need no stinkin' spec sheets!

We have an award for folks like you. It is offered to those that somehow
cheat "Darwin" and continue on to unheralded fame. It gives me great
pleasure to award you the first ever "IGGY". Picture it! Cute little
statue . . . somewhat grotesque though, of a little idiot standing with one
foot on his tongue and the other on his dick.

Bob Swinney

In article ,
says...
On trolling in general, and from an earlier post:

Ned sez:

"It's a pretty unusual feature on small (10-20HP?) VFDs. In
20+ years of building and working around industrial
machinery I've never actually run across a small VFD that
wouldn't run on single phase."

So, see Ned, how you've cut through tons of technical BS and gotten right
through to the central (and simple) theme of the subject at hand. Hey! No
reading of spec sheets for you - you made an assumption and acted on it. It
sorta stands to reason if a 3-phase motor can run on single-phase juice then
so can a VFD. So simple! We doesn't need no stinkin' spec sheets!

We have an award for folks like you. It is offered to those that somehow
cheat "Darwin" and continue on to unheralded fame. It gives me great
pleasure to award you the first ever "IGGY". Picture it! Cute little
statue . . . somewhat grotesque though, of a little idiot standing with one
foot on his tongue and the other on his dick.


Bob, old buddy, I was about to reply to your post when I
realized you seem to have become distracted in the process
of creating that auto-erotic fantasy for yourself and
neglected to include anything of substance. I'll be happy
to summarize what I've gleaned over the years from reading
many VFD manuals and speaking to various mfr's application
engineers after you're done satisfying your urges.

Ned Simmons

Spehro Pefhany wrote:

On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 00:39:26 -0500, the renowned Don Foreman
wrote:


My entry, circa late '70's,


most of story snipped for brevity


We made it. On the dock at 0755. After subsequent testing by the
customer (in due time, y'all), the system was accepted and we were
approved for production. Designing power elex can be fun!



That's what I call "Just in Time" delivery! ;-)


The "newspeak" bozos have come up with yet another way of describing
what sharp businessmen have been doing forever. They call it "Lean
Production".

From the little I've read about it they are describing JIT deliveries
combined with some kind of "Build to order" sytem to keep cash tied up
in inventories of both parts and final assemblies to a minimum.

Oh yeah, it probably also incorporates the "Cash Max" system; Having a
book full of reasons for delaying paying your suppliers until you need
to buy something from them again.

I sure do hate newspeak. The worst I've heard recently came out of a
hospital. It was "Negative patient care outcome". (i.e. services will be
held at noon this Friday.)

Jeff

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(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)

"Truth exists; only falsehood has to be invented."

In article , Don Foreman says...

I'm eagerly awaiting first photos. Charred spots on the bench count.

OK since you started....

Our group had gone down to the site cafeteria to have a 'nerd dinner'
back when they still served dinner there.

We got our food and were just sitting down, when my boss asked the
group post-doc if he had put the cuvettes up to cure under the
heat lamp. The answer was yes, so he next asked "did you find the
aluminum foil to put on the bench top?"

"What aluminum foil?"

There was a moment of stunned silence as the two of them stared
at each other. Then a looney-tunes fire drill where they both
jumped up and *alligat*alligat*alligat* finally gained enough
traction to take off to the other end of the building.

The bench top was two-inch thick laminated rock maple, and the
char mark extended completely through to the underside. I suspect
it was within minutes of actually igniting.

The postdoc had left the 250 watt heat lamp shining directly on
the sample cell on the benchtop.

I'm not sure how they disposed of the benchtop.

Jim


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On 10 Sep 2005 05:40:03 -0700, Bugs wrote:
I call him Ignoranus. LOL He contacted me about buying a welder and
conned me into buying a shipping container, then suddenly backed out of
the deal. I don't even read any of his posts anymore.

Kind of a strong accusation...

"Dave Hinz" wrote in message
...
On 10 Sep 2005 05:40:03 -0700, Bugs wrote:
I call him Ignoranus. LOL He contacted me about buying a welder and
conned me into buying a shipping container, then suddenly backed out of
the deal. I don't even read any of his posts anymore.

Kind of a strong accusation...

Dave

I dont know if it is strong. It does sound clear and straightforward.
It is consistant with my experience. I'll be monitoring the group to read
any responses to Bugs's post.

Jerry

Sorry, Ned if you misunderstood my little "award". I intended no insult to
you - far from it. You are one of the good guys. I've followed your posts
for years and have admired your intellect and helpful attitude towards
others. Remember when you sent the 10-EE filament transformers to Gary
Repesh? I was working with him at the time, helping troubleshoot the
electrics on his old 1964 model 10-EE. Perhaps my sense of humor was
misapplied. I meant no disrespect toward you or your good name on RCM.
You see, Ned, it was very much tongue in cheek. I am a little surprised a
man of your intelligence failed to catch the humor!

The whole thing was predicated on calling attention to one of RCM's most
prolific posters; one that has recently been branded "Troll" by another
respected RCM'er. I'm sorry to say, I was taken in for a while by this
troll, as was other well meaning respondents to his inane and misleading
questions. I tried to help him myself a few times. Now I am very sorry
that it has come to this. Please accept my most humble and sincere apology
for using your good name in vain. I am very sorry you may have felt like
the "fall guy" because I used your name. Hopefully, your retort will not
cause others to misunderstand the meaning behind the message. I will not
intentionally insult you again.

Best regards,

Bob Swinney

"Ned Simmons" wrote in message
...
In article ,
says...
On trolling in general, and from an earlier post:

Ned sez:

"It's a pretty unusual feature on small (10-20HP?) VFDs. In
20+ years of building and working around industrial
machinery I've never actually run across a small VFD that
wouldn't run on single phase."

So, see Ned, how you've cut through tons of technical BS and gotten right
through to the central (and simple) theme of the subject at hand. Hey!
No
reading of spec sheets for you - you made an assumption and acted on it.
It
sorta stands to reason if a 3-phase motor can run on single-phase juice
then
so can a VFD. So simple! We doesn't need no stinkin' spec sheets!

We have an award for folks like you. It is offered to those that somehow
cheat "Darwin" and continue on to unheralded fame. It gives me great
pleasure to award you the first ever "IGGY". Picture it! Cute little
statue . . . somewhat grotesque though, of a little idiot standing with
one
foot on his tongue and the other on his dick.


Bob, old buddy, I was about to reply to your post when I
realized you seem to have become distracted in the process
of creating that auto-erotic fantasy for yourself and
neglected to include anything of substance. I'll be happy
to summarize what I've gleaned over the years from reading
many VFD manuals and speaking to various mfr's application
engineers after you're done satisfying your urges.

Ned Simmons

On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 19:53:52 GMT, Jerry Martes wrote:

"Dave Hinz" wrote in message
...

Kind of a strong accusation...

I dont know if it is strong. It does sound clear and straightforward.
It is consistant with my experience.

Not consistant with my experience with him. Found him to be
straightforward, forthcoming, and easy to work with. Ended up not
buying the item, but it had nothing to do with him. (shrug) Some people
just rub others the wrong way, I guess.

Just because the guy asks some questions that are "unworthy" of some
experts, hardly makes him a troll.

"Dave Hinz" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 19:53:52 GMT, Jerry Martes
wrote:

"Dave Hinz" wrote in message
...

Kind of a strong accusation...

I dont know if it is strong. It does sound clear and straightforward.
It is consistant with my experience.

Not consistant with my experience with him. Found him to be
straightforward, forthcoming, and easy to work with. Ended up not
buying the item, but it had nothing to do with him. (shrug) Some people
just rub others the wrong way, I guess.

Just because the guy asks some questions that are "unworthy" of some
experts, hardly makes him a troll.


Dave

Would your evaluation change if Bugs's post wasnt responded to??

By my standards, Bugs has a legitimate grievance.

I must have missed the post where some experts accuse anyone of asking
"unworthy" questions.

Jerry

On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 22:13:26 GMT, Jerry Martes wrote:

"Dave Hinz" wrote in message
...

Not consistant with my experience with him. Found him to be
straightforward, forthcoming, and easy to work with. Ended up not
buying the item, but it had nothing to do with him. (shrug) Some people
just rub others the wrong way, I guess.

Would your evaluation change if Bugs's post wasnt responded to??

Not really. I don't keep track of who has whom in killfiles, for
starters.

By my standards, Bugs has a legitimate grievance.

If it's true, maybe. We've only heard one side of the story though,
haven't we. I know Ig uses eBay a lot, maybe his feedback rating would
be informative if we know his userID, wouldn't it?

I must have missed the post where some experts accuse anyone of asking
"unworthy" questions.

The accusation of him being a troll because he was asking unworthy
quesitons regarding a signal generator? It was like, today, or
yesterday?

In article ,
says...
Sorry, Ned if you misunderstood my little "award". I intended no insult to
you - far from it. You are one of the good guys. I've followed your posts
for years and have admired your intellect and helpful attitude towards
others. Remember when you sent the 10-EE filament transformers to Gary
Repesh? I was working with him at the time, helping troubleshoot the
electrics on his old 1964 model 10-EE. Perhaps my sense of humor was
misapplied. I meant no disrespect toward you or your good name on RCM.
You see, Ned, it was very much tongue in cheek. I am a little surprised a
man of your intelligence failed to catch the humor!

The whole thing was predicated on calling attention to one of RCM's most
prolific posters; one that has recently been branded "Troll" by another
respected RCM'er. I'm sorry to say, I was taken in for a while by this
troll, as was other well meaning respondents to his inane and misleading
questions. I tried to help him myself a few times. Now I am very sorry
that it has come to this. Please accept my most humble and sincere apology
for using your good name in vain. I am very sorry you may have felt like
the "fall guy" because I used your name. Hopefully, your retort will not
cause others to misunderstand the meaning behind the message. I will not
intentionally insult you again.

Best regards,

Bob Swinney


Oh Gawd, how embarassing. How's about we just pretend this
never happened. No apology necessary, the explanation was
more than sufficient.

Ned Simmons

"Robert Swinney" wrote in message
...
Cute little
statue . . . somewhat grotesque though, of a little idiot standing with
one
foot on his tongue and the other on his dick.

A fellow endowed with such gifts could be ugly as sin and never want for a
date.

--
Roger Shoaf

If knowledge is power, and power corrupts, what does this say about the
Congress?

In article , Ned Simmons
says...

Best regards,

Bob Swinney


Oh Gawd, how embarassing. How's about we just pretend this
never happened. No apology necessary, the explanation was
more than sufficient.

OK that's all that's needed. If any of you guys start
hugging or anything I'm outta here....

:^)

Jim


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Whheeeeww!

Bob Swinney
"Ned Simmons" wrote in message
...
In article ,
says...
Sorry, Ned if you misunderstood my little "award". I intended no insult
to
you - far from it. You are one of the good guys. I've followed your
posts
for years and have admired your intellect and helpful attitude towards
others. Remember when you sent the 10-EE filament transformers to Gary
Repesh? I was working with him at the time, helping troubleshoot the
electrics on his old 1964 model 10-EE. Perhaps my sense of humor was
misapplied. I meant no disrespect toward you or your good name on RCM.
You see, Ned, it was very much tongue in cheek. I am a little surprised
a
man of your intelligence failed to catch the humor!

The whole thing was predicated on calling attention to one of RCM's most
prolific posters; one that has recently been branded "Troll" by another
respected RCM'er. I'm sorry to say, I was taken in for a while by this
troll, as was other well meaning respondents to his inane and misleading
questions. I tried to help him myself a few times. Now I am very sorry
that it has come to this. Please accept my most humble and sincere
apology
for using your good name in vain. I am very sorry you may have felt
like
the "fall guy" because I used your name. Hopefully, your retort will not
cause others to misunderstand the meaning behind the message. I will not
intentionally insult you again.

Best regards,

Bob Swinney


Oh Gawd, how embarassing. How's about we just pretend this
never happened. No apology necessary, the explanation was
more than sufficient.

Ned Simmons

On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 18:41:04 -0400, the blithe spirit Ned Simmons
clearly indicated:

Oh Gawd, how embarassing. How's about we just pretend this
never happened. No apology necessary, the explanation was
more than sufficient.

Just FTW, I read Bob's message as if it were aimed at you, too, Ned.
I'm glad you two kissed and made up, though. wink

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In article ,
says...
Subject: Is Ignoramus a troll?
From: Don Foreman
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.metalworking

On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 02:12:52 -0500, Don Foreman
wrote:

Decide for yourself, y'all.

OK, I'm simmered down. Opinions noted, some good points made.

LOL at Ned Simmons' post. Right on, Ned! I recall that thread.
Guess what EE bought a copy of Fermi's book on thermodynamics -- and
is still reading it a bit at a time? That book was really a find,
thanks to whomever suggested it. (Ned?)

I'm pretty sure it was Norman Yarvin. But I also found a
copy cheap on ebay and am keeping it close at hand for the
next time entropy rears it's head. Now how about a book
that explains the behavior of tires? g

Ned Simmons