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You seem to have some really weird ideas about Buddhism.
Gunner It might be the sport hunting, the war mongering, and the other inconsistencies with the religion that are causing the confusion. Hawke |
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On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:10:01 -0400, "Mecoman"
wrote: "Cliff" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 23:45:22 GMT, Strabo wrote: I am a moral man without religion. Perhaps. Morality does not require religion but principles and consistent morality does require a nature that seems to elude you. "Morality" is from religion. Morality is derived from religion, but can exist separate from it. Name someplace where they tossed the religion out. -- Cliff |
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"Hawke" wrote:
The bull**** you smell..well..perhaps if you bathed a bit more often... Gunner No, I know where it's coming from...your posts. But perhaps what I should do when reading them is what the veterans at the VFW did when listening to a Bush speech recently. Wear flaps over their ears that said "bull**** protector" on them. Hawke Here's where you should stop. You've already nailed him to the wall, and he's trying to steer you into a ****-slinging contest. I'm suprised he hasn't already called your mom a whore, as he did mine when I made him feel a little bit insecure. He will never, ever admit you're right. The only time I remember him admitting a mistake was over whether or not bears eat kotex. Gio |
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"Hawke" wrote:
Atheists? What do you call someone that doesn't know if there is such a thing as God or not, but is actively anti religion? Is there a word for that? Areligious? Hawke Macrophage. Gio |
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On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 15:19:26 GMT, Gunner
wrote: Why is it that what Gunner says isn't believeable? How are things in fantasyland? Is that where they hid the WMDs? Hawke The bull**** you smell..well..perhaps if you bathed a bit more often... Found those "WMDs" yet, Gunner? -- Cliff |
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On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:21:32 -0700, "Hawke"
wrote: Why is it that what Gunner says isn't believeable? How are things in fantasyland? Is that where they hid the WMDs? Hawke The bull**** you smell..well..perhaps if you bathed a bit more often... Gunner No, I know where it's coming from...your posts. But perhaps what I should do when reading them is what the veterans at the VFW did when listening to a Bush speech recently. Wear flaps over their ears that said "bull**** protector" on them. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&i...otector%22+VFW -- Cliff |
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On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 18:59:00 -0000, Jeff Dantzler
wrote: You can be an agnostic and a libertarian but atheists claim an unprovable knowledge (the non-existence of a god)." and I disagreed asserting that I am both. First you have to clearly define which "god"or "gods" ... -- Cliff |
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Strabo wrote:
In OT - A test for Gunner & Stu & crew on Wed, 31 Aug 2005 06:12:41 -0400, by Cliff, we read: Strabo, For any of that to make any sense at all you must first define "god" VBG. You could substitute "banana" and it wouldn't make any difference. You must be seriously confused. Go down to your friendly neighborhood grocers. I am quite sure you will find bananas there. I am sure they will direct you if you ask them nicely. You can look at them, smell them, feel them, and if you pay for them then you can also taste them. Drop one and it makes a muffled thud. It is the most popular fruit in the world. Proof of banana's existence is in simple observation by any or all of our senses. Definition is by example in this case. -- jeff |
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Gunner wrote:
On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:01:59 +0100, Guido wrote: Gunner wrote: Im Buddhist. So once again the Mind numbed Leftist Drone gets it all wrong. You ever going to get any of your grand claims right???? "Your not here for the hunting, are you?" Tell us again how many karma points you get for shooting Bambi? Bambi was a cartoon figure painted on celluloid cells. Didn't you get the memo? You seem to have some really weird ideas about Buddhism. Precept 1: Panatipata veramani sikkhapadam samadiyami |
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On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:24:33 -0700, "Hawke"
wrote: Atheists? What do you call someone that doesn't know if there is such a thing as God or not, but is actively anti religion? Is there a word for that? Areligious? That was a logic & language lesson, Hawke. Check the original context G. -- Cliff |
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On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:33:11 -0700, "Hawke"
wrote: Morality is derived from religion, but can exist separate from it. No, that's not quite right. Morality existed before the coming of any organized religion. It is an intrinsic trait in man so it always existed apart from religion. Religions have just appropriated it to increase their power and control the masses. Were you correct then is it moral for you eat Gramps? Yes or no. -- Cliff |
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On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:35:31 -0500, "RAM^3"
wrote: "Hawke" wrote in message ... Atheists? What do you call someone that doesn't know if there is such a thing as God or not, but is actively anti religion? Is there a word for that? Areligious? An Agnostic Asshole Sounds like we've struck either a fundie or a winger. Or both G. -- Cliff |
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On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 20:48:32 GMT, jeff
wrote: Strabo wrote: In OT - A test for Gunner & Stu & crew on Wed, 31 Aug 2005 06:12:41 -0400, by Cliff, we read: Strabo, For any of that to make any sense at all you must first define "god" VBG. You could substitute "banana" and it wouldn't make any difference. You must be seriously confused. Go down to your friendly neighborhood grocers. I am quite sure you will find bananas there. I am sure they will direct you if you ask them nicely. You can look at them, smell them, feel them, and if you pay for them then you can also taste them. Drop one and it makes a muffled thud. It is the most popular fruit in the world. Proof of banana's existence is in simple observation by any or all of our senses. Definition is by example in this case. |
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On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:09:53 -0600, Gio Medici
wrote: "Hawke" wrote: The bull**** you smell..well..perhaps if you bathed a bit more often... Gunner No, I know where it's coming from...your posts. But perhaps what I should do when reading them is what the veterans at the VFW did when listening to a Bush speech recently. Wear flaps over their ears that said "bull**** protector" on them. Hawke Here's where you should stop. You've already nailed him to the wall, and he's trying to steer you into a ****-slinging contest. I'm suprised he hasn't already called your mom a whore, as he did mine when I made him feel a little bit insecure. He will never, ever admit you're right. The only time I remember him admitting a mistake was over whether or not bears eat kotex. Ask him about "WMDs" & neocon winger lies G. -- Cliff |
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On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:17:39 -0600, Gio Medici
wrote: "Hawke" wrote: Atheists? What do you call someone that doesn't know if there is such a thing as God or not, but is actively anti religion? Is there a word for that? Areligious? Hawke Macrophage. ?? -- Cliff |
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"Strabo" wrote in message ... In OT - A test for Gunner & Stu & crew on Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:55:48 -0000, by Jeff Dantzler, we read: In article you wrote: "atheist" is inconsistent with libertarian. You can be an agnostic and a libertarian but atheists claim an unprovable knowledge (the non-existence of a god). I disagree and look forward to you expanding on why your statement is valid. Atheism is characterized by an absence of belief in the existence of gods. I don't have to claim that no god exists to be an atheist. No, you certainly don't have to but that's what you're doing when you associate with 'atheist'. Read my post to 'shu'. Please understand I dont' agree with your post to me., but i figure your kinda mired in your ways so it was futile to argue I am. an atheist Libertarian, regardless of what you think. I think you're using a somewhat antiquted defintion of libertarian, there is no requirement of religion to be moral, this is a myth. in fact, i would even go so far as to say that atheists can have better morals, in the sense that we believe in doing good over bad out of a pure sense of responsiblity, and honor, rather then a fear of going to hell, for doing bad, or am elation of going to heaven for being good. I do believe that people have intrinsic rights, among these life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. just cause jefferson believed in god, doesn't mean I have to.. but I do have a handy card that says member of the libertarian party. that should be enough. I doubt Jefferson had one of those. ******** shu |
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On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 16:49:41 -0500, "shu" wrote:
i figure your kinda mired in your ways so it was futile to argue Aw, give it a try anyway G. http://www.nancysinatra.com/intro.html -- Cliff |
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On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 16:49:41 -0500, "shu" wrote:
there is no requirement of religion to be moral, this is a myth. Define "moral". http://www.nancysinatra.com/intro.html HTH -- Cliff |
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On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 16:49:41 -0500, "shu" wrote:
i would even go so far as to say that atheists can have better morals, in the sense that we believe in doing good over bad out of a pure sense of responsiblity, and honor, rather then a fear of going to hell, for doing bad, or am elation of going to heaven for being good. Now try "ethics". http://www.nancysinatra.com/intro.html -- Cliff |
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In rec.crafts.metalworking Cliff wrote:
On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 18:59:00 -0000, Jeff Dantzler wrote: You can be an agnostic and a libertarian but atheists claim an unprovable knowledge (the non-existence of a god)." and I disagreed asserting that I am both. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ First you have to clearly define which "god"or "gods" ... The only quote above attributable to me is underlined. The rest is by Strabo. Jeff |
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In rec.crafts.metalworking shu wrote:
I am. an atheist Libertarian, regardless of what you think. I think you're using a somewhat antiquted defintion of libertarian, there is no requirement of religion to be moral, this is a myth. in fact, i would even go so far as to say that atheists can have better morals, in the sense that we believe in doing good over bad out of a pure sense of responsiblity, and honor, rather then a fear of going to hell, for doing bad, or am elation of going to heaven for being good. I do believe that people have intrinsic rights, among these life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. just cause jefferson believed in god, doesn't mean I have to.. Thank you, Shu. I got tired of arguing. Jeff |
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Cliff wrote:
What do you call someone that doesn't know if there is such a thing as God or not, but is actively anti religion? Is there a word for that? Areligious? Hawke Macrophage. ?? No dictionary? Gio |
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On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:53:26 -0700, "Hawke"
wrote: You seem to have some really weird ideas about Buddhism. Gunner It might be the sport hunting, the war mongering, and the other inconsistencies with the religion that are causing the confusion. Hawke Sport hunting? War Mongering? Cites? Gunner "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner |
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On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 21:53:51 +0100, Guido wrote:
Gunner wrote: On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:01:59 +0100, Guido wrote: Gunner wrote: Im Buddhist. So once again the Mind numbed Leftist Drone gets it all wrong. You ever going to get any of your grand claims right???? "Your not here for the hunting, are you?" Tell us again how many karma points you get for shooting Bambi? Bambi was a cartoon figure painted on celluloid cells. Didn't you get the memo? You seem to have some really weird ideas about Buddhism. Precept 1: Panatipata veramani sikkhapadam samadiyami If I wished to be ordained a Theravada Monk, that would be nice. I dont. Gunner "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner |
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On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:21:32 -0700, "Hawke"
wrote: The bull**** you smell..well..perhaps if you bathed a bit more often... Gunner No, I know where it's coming from...your posts. But perhaps what I should do when reading them is what the veterans at the VFW did when listening to a Bush speech recently. Wear flaps over their ears that said "bull**** protector" on them. Hawke So why not spray paint the front of your monitor a nice white color and using a Sharpie...Write Bullshi Protector. Better yet, glue a cover over your keyboard with the same lettering, that way we wont be subject to yours. Gunner "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner |
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On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 21:53:51 +0100, Guido wrote:
Gunner wrote: On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:01:59 +0100, Guido wrote: Gunner wrote: Im Buddhist. So once again the Mind numbed Leftist Drone gets it all wrong. You ever going to get any of your grand claims right???? "Your not here for the hunting, are you?" Tell us again how many karma points you get for shooting Bambi? Bambi was a cartoon figure painted on celluloid cells. Didn't you get the memo? You seem to have some really weird ideas about Buddhism. Precept 1: Panatipata veramani sikkhapadam samadiyami The Buddha made distinction between killing an animal and consumption of meat, stressing that it is immoral conduct that makes one impure, not the food one eats. In one of the Pali sutras belonging to the Theravada lineage of Buddhism, the Buddha says that vegetarianism is preferable, but as monks in ancient India were expected to receive all their food by begging they had little or no control over their diet. Furthermore, the Buddha did not wish to lay an extra burden on his lay followers by demanding that their food should be vegetarian. During the Buddha's time, there was no general rule requiring monks to refrain from eating meat. In fact, at one point the Buddha specifically refused to institute vegetarianism and the Pali Canon records the Buddha himself eating meat on several occasions. There were, however, rules prohibiting certain types of meat, such as human, leopard and elephant meat. Monks are also prohibited from consuming an animal if they have witnessed its death or know it was killed specifically for them. This rule was not applied to the commercial purchase of meat in the case of a general who sent a servant to purchase meat specifically to feed the Buddha. Therefore, eating commercially purchased meat is not prohibited. n the modern world, attitudes toward vegetarianism vary by location. In the Theravada countries of Southeast Asia and Sri Lanka, monks are bound by the vinaya to accept almost any food that is offered to them, often including meat, while in China and Vietnam monks are expected to eat no meat. In Japan and Korea, some monks practice vegetarianism, and most will do so at least when training at a monastery, but otherwise they typically do eat meat. In Tibet, where vegetable nutrition is historically very scarce, and the adopted vinaya was the Nikaya Sarva-stiva-da, vegetarianism is very rare, although the Dalai Lama and other esteemed lamas invite their audiences to adopt vegetarianism when they can. In the West, of course, a wide variety of practices are followed. Lay Buddhists generally follow dietary rules less rigorously than monks. "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner |
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On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:09:53 -0600, Gio Medici
wrote: No, I know where it's coming from...your posts. But perhaps what I should do when reading them is what the veterans at the VFW did when listening to a Bush speech recently. Wear flaps over their ears that said "bull**** protector" on them. Hawke Here's where you should stop. You've already nailed him to the wall, and he's trying to steer you into a ****-slinging contest. I'm suprised he hasn't already called your mom a whore, as he did mine when I made him feel a little bit insecure. He will never, ever admit you're right. The only time I remember him admitting a mistake was over whether or not bears eat kotex. Gio Cites? Gunner "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner |
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On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 03:49:32 GMT, Strabo
wrote: In OT - A test for Gunner & Stu & crew on Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:33:11 -0700, by Hawke, we read: Morality is derived from religion, but can exist separate from it. No, that's not quite right. Morality existed before the coming of any organized religion. It is an intrinsic trait in man so it always existed apart from religion. Religions have just appropriated it to increase their power and control the masses. Hawke As I agree with natural law I agree with you that morality is intrinsic. Every man knows the essentials of right and wrong even if never exposed to a religion. Man's moral nature occurred BEFORE religion and not as a result of it. Absolute rubbish. "Morality" is a social peer-pressure thing and can vary quite widely. It's derived, mostly, from the religion context ... religions dictate what local "morality" is. And, depending on your class can vary as well. Example: If you are a ruler like the shrubbie you can indeed lie & murder. It is this intrinsic awareness that prompted Jefferson to say, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..." Rubbish. It SOUNDED good & sold. Having said that, while religion is unabashedly used to control behavior, in its simplest form it IS the repository of the values of the society which invented the religion. Therefore, one can learn morality from religion. snort Think of all the rights those preachers want to remove .... and recall how things used to be with the full support of various preachers .... and will be again if they are allowed the power again. Beware bush & his voices .... perhaps burning is involved? http://whitehouse.org/dof/index.asp http://whitehouse.org/initiatives/index.asp http://whitehouse.org/policy/commandments.asp -- Cliff |
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On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 22:59:02 -0000, Jeff Dantzler
wrote: In rec.crafts.metalworking Cliff wrote: On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 18:59:00 -0000, Jeff Dantzler wrote: You can be an agnostic and a libertarian but atheists claim an unprovable knowledge (the non-existence of a god)." and I disagreed asserting that I am both. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ First you have to clearly define which "god"or "gods" ... The only quote above attributable to me is underlined. The rest is by Strabo. And my comment applies to all G. -- Cliff |
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On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 18:43:40 -0600, Gio Medici
wrote: Cliff wrote: What do you call someone that doesn't know if there is such a thing as God or not, but is actively anti religion? Is there a word for that? Areligious? Hawke Macrophage. ?? No dictionary? No need of one on this one. See histiocyte. Perhaps you made a typo? -- Cliff |
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On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 02:24:33 GMT, Gunner
wrote: On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:53:26 -0700, "Hawke" wrote: You seem to have some really weird ideas about Buddhism. Gunner It might be the sport hunting, the war mongering, and the other inconsistencies with the religion that are causing the confusion. Hawke Sport hunting? War Mongering? Cites? Ate those dogs, did you? Gunner "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner snicker -- Cliff |
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On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 02:24:34 GMT, Gunner
wrote: If I wished to be ordained a Theravada Monk, that would be nice. http://www.perkydesigns.com/CHIMPANZEES-5.gif -- Cliff |
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On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 02:29:43 GMT, Gunner
wrote: On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 21:53:51 +0100, Guido wrote: Gunner wrote: On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:01:59 +0100, Guido wrote: Gunner wrote: Im Buddhist. So once again the Mind numbed Leftist Drone gets it all wrong. You ever going to get any of your grand claims right???? "Your not here for the hunting, are you?" Tell us again how many karma points you get for shooting Bambi? Bambi was a cartoon figure painted on celluloid cells. Didn't you get the memo? You seem to have some really weird ideas about Buddhism. Precept 1: Panatipata veramani sikkhapadam samadiyami The Buddha made distinction between killing an animal and consumption snip stolen copied material http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&i...consumption%22 -- Cliff |
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On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 02:29:43 GMT, Gunner
wrote: Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner Empty yet? -- Cliff |
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On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 04:25:53 GMT, Strabo
wrote: Yes you did. But why, of two successful people of the scientific group, both with IQs of 140, would one believe and the other not? Doesn't this refute any universal presumption of mental deficiency among the religious? Conditioning. -- Cliff |
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On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 04:36:52 GMT, Strabo
wrote: Define life as you will but you'll never fly. Oh, goodie !! Time for another repost G. [ Now consider the tortoise and the eagle. The tortoise is a ground-living creature. It is impossible to live nearer the ground without being under it. Its horizons are a few inches away. It has about as good a turn of speed as you need to hunt down a lettuce. It has survived while the rest of evolution flowed past it by being, on the whole, no threat to anyone and too much trouble to eat. And then there is the eagle. A creature of the air and high places, whose horizons go all the way to the edge of the world. Eyesight keen enough to spot the rustle of some small and squeaky creature half a mile away. All power, all control. Lightning death on wings. Talons and claws enough to make a meal of anything smaller than it is and at least take a hurried snack out of anything bigger. And yet the eagle will sit for hours on the crag and survey the kingdoms of the world until it spots a distant movement and then it will focus, focus, focus on the small shell wobbling among the bushes down there on the desert. And it will leap . . . And a minute later the tortoise finds the world dropping away from it. And it sees the world for the first time, no longer one inch from the ground but five hundred feet above it, and it thinks: what a great friend I have in the eagle. And then the eagle lets go. And almost always the tortoise plunges to its death. Everyone knows why the tortoise does this. Gravity is a habit that is hard to shake off. No one knows why the eagle does this. There's good eating on a tortoise but, considering the effort involved, there's much better eating on practically anything else. It's simply the delight of eagles to torment tortoises. But of course, what the eagle does not realize is that it is participating in a very crude form of natural selection. One day a tortoise will learn how to fly. ] "Small Gods", Terry Pratchett -- Cliff |
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"Hawke" wrote in message ... Morality is derived from religion, but can exist separate from it. No, that's not quite right. Morality existed before the coming of any organized religion. It is an intrinsic trait in man so it always existed apart from religion. Religions have just appropriated it to increase their power and control the masses. Very noble thought. No way we can know for sure, and I doubt it, but I'd love to think we were that advanced. I'll ask Gramps. Oops! I forgot. I ate him. -- Jeff It is preferential to refrain from the utilization of sesquipedalian verbiage in the circumstance that your intellectualization can be verbalized using compararatively simplistic lexicographical entitities. |
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"Cliff" wrote in message ... On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:10:01 -0400, "Mecoman" wrote: "Cliff" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 23:45:22 GMT, Strabo wrote: I am a moral man without religion. Perhaps. Morality does not require religion but principles and consistent morality does require a nature that seems to elude you. "Morality" is from religion. Morality is derived from religion, but can exist separate from it. Name someplace where they tossed the religion out. Cannot, on a community basis. It is only on an individual basis, where a person has moved away from religion, but still lives by a moral code. -- Jeff It is preferential to refrain from the utilization of sesquipedalian verbiage in the circumstance that your intellectualization can be verbalized using compararatively simplistic lexicographical entitities. |
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On Thu, 1 Sep 2005 07:31:42 -0400, "Mecoman"
wrote: "Cliff" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:10:01 -0400, "Mecoman" wrote: "Cliff" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 23:45:22 GMT, Strabo wrote: I am a moral man without religion. Perhaps. Morality does not require religion but principles and consistent morality does require a nature that seems to elude you. "Morality" is from religion. Morality is derived from religion, but can exist separate from it. Name someplace where they tossed the religion out. Cannot, on a community basis. It is only on an individual basis, where a person has moved away from religion, but still lives by a moral code. Don't get confused. "Moral code" or ethics? One of the oft-cited reasons for religion (ask any two-faced fundie) is that they would be very, very bad if left to themselves ... they NEED superstitions to keep them, at least a little, behaving properly. The boogey-man will get them .... OTOH Some dude died for their "sins" and all will be forgiven at some later date by someone .... so what they do NOW really does not matter much (as long as they don't ggt caught) unless they are planning on dying soon. -- Cliff |
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On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:53:26 -0700, "Hawke"
wrote: You seem to have some really weird ideas about Buddhism. Gunner It might be the sport hunting, the war mongering, and the other inconsistencies with the religion that are causing the confusion. Hawke What you have to understand is that gummer has no real life. He has to project a psudeo-life in the newsgroups. The few parts of his pitiful existence that slip through should make us feel pity for him. His inability to pay for health insurance. His inability to have normal family relationships shown when he talks about how his wife approves of his black girlfriend. His inability to meet his financial obligations to pay his medical bills. There is no point in discussing all the lies in detail. One only has to look at where he says one thing one day and the opposite a little later. You can't say the truth is not in him, but he hides it pretty well. So, don't be mad at gummer guys. These few electrons floating around in cyberspace are all that he has off a life. |
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