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OT-DIY Rubber roofing
Hi All,
I am looking into reroofing a low pitched shed roof on the back of my house with rubber. I checked at a few local Home Despot stores and local lumber\home places, none carry rubber roofing stuff. They said "Well....Maybe we can order it in, but..." which only tells me that they will be absolutely no help so far as installation info goes, or if I come up short of stuff, etc. I did some Googling around on the web. Amazing that there seems to be only one(!) company in the US of A that markets this stuff to the DIY market. At least on the web. There seem to be about 100 or more in the UK, and europe but nothing else here. Hard to believe. Try googling DIY rubber roofing, you will see what I mean.I did find these guys: http://frs.flatroofsolutions.com/ I gave them a call, they come across well. Lots of good info over the phone, spent all the time I cared to talk and gave me a quote. They are selling Firestone EDPM membrane roofing, and trying to address the DIY crowd specifically, so they will cut to any size in 5' increments, up to 50' wide by as long-as-you-want-it, at 44 cents/Sq.FT. Not too shabby. One local roofing place I called will only sell in full rolls, the smallest costing a tad over $600.00 (for just the membrane, extras are, well, extra) with that being probably 3X as much rubber as I need. A few others made it clear that they did not want to deal with homeowners. The place on the web quoted me a bit over 600 bucks based on my ball-park sizes, but that included everything, rubber, adhesive, termination bar for finishing the edges, the matching caulking, flexi-tape stuff and adhesive for flashing the skylights and woodstove flue and truck shipping from wherever the heck they are. Everything except screws for the trim bar. That struck me as not too bad a deal. I sprang 10 bucks for their "rubber roofing for dummies" (OK, I made that name up) video. He is going to send along with that their instillation book and a sample of the rubber. I will let you know what I think when I get it and have a chance to look that stuff over. 3 local contractors gave me $2000.00+ quotes to do this roof. It is presently done with roll roofing. I have lived here 20 years and have replaced that roof 4 times. The rest of the roof on the house has been fine (redone last year after 19 years, who knows how old it was when I bought the house), but this one dosen't seem to hold up so well. The exposure and the trees and stuff do beat on it, and the roof is very old and a bit flexy. In any event, I would like to do this and not have to worry about it again for lots-O-years. A couple of questions. Any thoughts on doing rubber roofs in general? Any of you guys done this before? I have done lots of roofing, I've just never worked with rubber before. Any hints, or gotchas to look out for? Anyone ever dealt with the place linked above? Am I nuts? Appreciate any and all thoughts. Thanks, AL A. |
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On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 18:25:22 -0400, the opaque Al A.
clearly wrote: Hi All, I am looking into reroofing a low pitched shed roof on the back of my house with rubber. I checked at a few local Home Despot stores and local lumber\home places, none carry rubber roofing stuff. They said "Well....Maybe we can order it in, but..." which only tells me that they will be absolutely no help so far as installation info goes, or if I come up short of stuff, etc. I did some Googling around on the web. Amazing that there seems to be only one(!) company in the US of A that markets this stuff to the DIY market. At least on the web. There seem to be about 100 or more in the UK, and europe but nothing else here. Hard to believe. Try googling DIY rubber roofing, you will see what I mean.I did find these guys: http://frs.flatroofsolutions.com/ I gave them a call, they come across well. Lots of good info over the phone, spent all the time I cared to talk and gave me a quote. They are selling Firestone EDPM membrane roofing, and trying to I wonder if the EDPM used for ponds is same/different formula. You might check with the local pond/pool suppliers to see if they can get the roofing type rubber for you. ----------------------------------------- Jack Kevorkian for Congressional physician! http://www.diversify.com Wondrous Website Design ================================================= |
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do you really mean "rubber" - if so, unless you intend for it to be covered
with snow or dirt or something, it's unlikely to last a year. If it's polyproplene, I've seen it last up to 6 months in the sun. Why not use real roofing paper (90# felt)???, the kind with white rocks holds up best in bright sun. "Al A." wrote in message ... Hi All, I am looking into reroofing a low pitched shed roof on the back of my house with rubber. I checked at a few local Home Despot stores and local lumber\home places, none carry rubber roofing stuff. They said "Well....Maybe we can order it in, but..." which only tells me that they will be absolutely no help so far as installation info goes, or if I come up short of stuff, etc. I did some Googling around on the web. Amazing that there seems to be only one(!) company in the US of A that markets this stuff to the DIY market. At least on the web. There seem to be about 100 or more in the UK, and europe but nothing else here. Hard to believe. Try googling DIY rubber roofing, you will see what I mean.I did find these guys: http://frs.flatroofsolutions.com/ I gave them a call, they come across well. Lots of good info over the phone, spent all the time I cared to talk and gave me a quote. They are selling Firestone EDPM membrane roofing, and trying to address the DIY crowd specifically, so they will cut to any size in 5' increments, up to 50' wide by as long-as-you-want-it, at 44 cents/Sq.FT. Not too shabby. One local roofing place I called will only sell in full rolls, the smallest costing a tad over $600.00 (for just the membrane, extras are, well, extra) with that being probably 3X as much rubber as I need. A few others made it clear that they did not want to deal with homeowners. The place on the web quoted me a bit over 600 bucks based on my ball-park sizes, but that included everything, rubber, adhesive, termination bar for finishing the edges, the matching caulking, flexi-tape stuff and adhesive for flashing the skylights and woodstove flue and truck shipping from wherever the heck they are. Everything except screws for the trim bar. That struck me as not too bad a deal. I sprang 10 bucks for their "rubber roofing for dummies" (OK, I made that name up) video. He is going to send along with that their instillation book and a sample of the rubber. I will let you know what I think when I get it and have a chance to look that stuff over. 3 local contractors gave me $2000.00+ quotes to do this roof. It is presently done with roll roofing. I have lived here 20 years and have replaced that roof 4 times. The rest of the roof on the house has been fine (redone last year after 19 years, who knows how old it was when I bought the house), but this one dosen't seem to hold up so well. The exposure and the trees and stuff do beat on it, and the roof is very old and a bit flexy. In any event, I would like to do this and not have to worry about it again for lots-O-years. A couple of questions. Any thoughts on doing rubber roofs in general? Any of you guys done this before? I have done lots of roofing, I've just never worked with rubber before. Any hints, or gotchas to look out for? Anyone ever dealt with the place linked above? Am I nuts? Appreciate any and all thoughts. Thanks, AL A. |
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My local home store stocks the EDPM stuff in 10'x20' rolls, other sizes
special order in a week. Around $80 per roll IIRC www.Menards.com Al A. wrote: Hi All, I am looking into reroofing a low pitched shed roof on the back of my house with rubber. I checked at a few local Home Despot stores and local lumber\home places, none carry rubber roofing stuff. They said "Well....Maybe we can order it in, but..." which only tells me that they will be absolutely no help so far as installation info goes, or if I come up short of stuff, etc. I did some Googling around on the web. Amazing that there seems to be only one(!) company in the US of A that markets this stuff to the DIY market. At least on the web. There seem to be about 100 or more in the UK, and europe but nothing else here. Hard to believe. Try googling DIY rubber roofing, you will see what I mean.I did find these guys: http://frs.flatroofsolutions.com/ I gave them a call, they come across well. Lots of good info over the phone, spent all the time I cared to talk and gave me a quote. They are selling Firestone EDPM membrane roofing, and trying to address the DIY crowd specifically, so they will cut to any size in 5' increments, up to 50' wide by as long-as-you-want-it, at 44 cents/Sq.FT. Not too shabby. One local roofing place I called will only sell in full rolls, the smallest costing a tad over $600.00 (for just the membrane, extras are, well, extra) with that being probably 3X as much rubber as I need. A few others made it clear that they did not want to deal with homeowners. The place on the web quoted me a bit over 600 bucks based on my ball-park sizes, but that included everything, rubber, adhesive, termination bar for finishing the edges, the matching caulking, flexi-tape stuff and adhesive for flashing the skylights and woodstove flue and truck shipping from wherever the heck they are. Everything except screws for the trim bar. That struck me as not too bad a deal. I sprang 10 bucks for their "rubber roofing for dummies" (OK, I made that name up) video. He is going to send along with that their instillation book and a sample of the rubber. I will let you know what I think when I get it and have a chance to look that stuff over. 3 local contractors gave me $2000.00+ quotes to do this roof. It is presently done with roll roofing. I have lived here 20 years and have replaced that roof 4 times. The rest of the roof on the house has been fine (redone last year after 19 years, who knows how old it was when I bought the house), but this one dosen't seem to hold up so well. The exposure and the trees and stuff do beat on it, and the roof is very old and a bit flexy. In any event, I would like to do this and not have to worry about it again for lots-O-years. A couple of questions. Any thoughts on doing rubber roofs in general? Any of you guys done this before? I have done lots of roofing, I've just never worked with rubber before. Any hints, or gotchas to look out for? Anyone ever dealt with the place linked above? Am I nuts? Appreciate any and all thoughts. Thanks, AL A. |
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Ask about "Modified bitumen" membrane. I have it on my 30k' flat roof. You
can do it yourself and cold bond or melt-down. 50 years with occasional coating, preferably aluminized. MAGIC!!! "Al A." wrote in message ... Hi All, I am looking into reroofing a low pitched shed roof on the back of my house with rubber. I checked at a few local Home Despot stores and local lumber\home places, none carry rubber roofing stuff. They said "Well....Maybe we can order it in, but..." which only tells me that they will be absolutely no help so far as installation info goes, or if I come up short of stuff, etc. I did some Googling around on the web. Amazing that there seems to be only one(!) company in the US of A that markets this stuff to the DIY market. At least on the web. There seem to be about 100 or more in the UK, and europe but nothing else here. Hard to believe. Try googling DIY rubber roofing, you will see what I mean.I did find these guys: http://frs.flatroofsolutions.com/ I gave them a call, they come across well. Lots of good info over the phone, spent all the time I cared to talk and gave me a quote. They are selling Firestone EDPM membrane roofing, and trying to address the DIY crowd specifically, so they will cut to any size in 5' increments, up to 50' wide by as long-as-you-want-it, at 44 cents/Sq.FT. Not too shabby. One local roofing place I called will only sell in full rolls, the smallest costing a tad over $600.00 (for just the membrane, extras are, well, extra) with that being probably 3X as much rubber as I need. A few others made it clear that they did not want to deal with homeowners. The place on the web quoted me a bit over 600 bucks based on my ball-park sizes, but that included everything, rubber, adhesive, termination bar for finishing the edges, the matching caulking, flexi-tape stuff and adhesive for flashing the skylights and woodstove flue and truck shipping from wherever the heck they are. Everything except screws for the trim bar. That struck me as not too bad a deal. I sprang 10 bucks for their "rubber roofing for dummies" (OK, I made that name up) video. He is going to send along with that their instillation book and a sample of the rubber. I will let you know what I think when I get it and have a chance to look that stuff over. 3 local contractors gave me $2000.00+ quotes to do this roof. It is presently done with roll roofing. I have lived here 20 years and have replaced that roof 4 times. The rest of the roof on the house has been fine (redone last year after 19 years, who knows how old it was when I bought the house), but this one dosen't seem to hold up so well. The exposure and the trees and stuff do beat on it, and the roof is very old and a bit flexy. In any event, I would like to do this and not have to worry about it again for lots-O-years. A couple of questions. Any thoughts on doing rubber roofs in general? Any of you guys done this before? I have done lots of roofing, I've just never worked with rubber before. Any hints, or gotchas to look out for? Anyone ever dealt with the place linked above? Am I nuts? Appreciate any and all thoughts. Thanks, AL A. |
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Al A. wrote:
A couple of questions. Any thoughts on doing rubber roofs in general? Any of you guys done this before? I have done lots of roofing, I've just never worked with rubber before. Any hints, or gotchas to look out for? Anyone ever dealt with the place linked above? Am I nuts? Appreciate any and all thoughts. Thanks, AL A. I had a very small EPDM roof done several years ago by a friend of mine who ran a roofing company. The roof only lasted a few years then started to crack. EPDM seems to work well in a ballasted situation, where gravel is placed on top to hold it down and shield it from the sun. You didn't say whether yours was to be ballasted or not, but the rubber that was used on my roof didn't last when exposed fully to the elements. Have you considered modified bitumen (torch down) roofing? It comes in much smaller rolls, about $40 each last time I checked. It's a little more tricky to put down since it has to be melted, but once you get the hang of it, it goes pretty well. It has a mineral surface to protect from UV exposure. If you have any quantity to do at all, I recommend buying a roofing torch intended for this operation. Makeshift torches (such as I have used) are more trouble than they're worth. EPDM is really intended for large production jobs since it can be readily made in such large rolls. Gary Brady Austin, TX |
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Al A. wrote:
Hi All, I am looking into reroofing a low pitched shed roof on the back of my house with rubber. I checked at a few local Home Despot stores and local lumber\home places, none carry rubber roofing stuff. They said "Well....Maybe we can order it in, but..." which only tells me that they will be absolutely no help so far as installation info goes, or if I come up short of stuff, etc. I did some Googling around on the web. Amazing that there seems to be only one(!) company in the US of A that markets this stuff to the DIY market. At least on the web. There seem to be about 100 or more in the UK, and europe but nothing else here. Hard to believe. Try googling DIY rubber roofing, you will see what I mean.I did find these guys: http://frs.flatroofsolutions.com/ I gave them a call, they come across well. Lots of good info over the phone, spent all the time I cared to talk and gave me a quote. They are selling Firestone EDPM membrane roofing, and trying to address the DIY crowd specifically, so they will cut to any size in 5' increments, up to 50' wide by as long-as-you-want-it, at 44 cents/Sq.FT. Not too shabby. One local roofing place I called will only sell in full rolls, the smallest costing a tad over $600.00 (for just the membrane, extras are, well, extra) with that being probably 3X as much rubber as I need. A few others made it clear that they did not want to deal with homeowners. The place on the web quoted me a bit over 600 bucks based on my ball-park sizes, but that included everything, rubber, adhesive, termination bar for finishing the edges, the matching caulking, flexi-tape stuff and adhesive for flashing the skylights and woodstove flue and truck shipping from wherever the heck they are. Everything except screws for the trim bar. That struck me as not too bad a deal. I sprang 10 bucks for their "rubber roofing for dummies" (OK, I made that name up) video. He is going to send along with that their instillation book and a sample of the rubber. I will let you know what I think when I get it and have a chance to look that stuff over. 3 local contractors gave me $2000.00+ quotes to do this roof. It is presently done with roll roofing. I have lived here 20 years and have replaced that roof 4 times. The rest of the roof on the house has been fine (redone last year after 19 years, who knows how old it was when I bought the house), but this one dosen't seem to hold up so well. The exposure and the trees and stuff do beat on it, and the roof is very old and a bit flexy. In any event, I would like to do this and not have to worry about it again for lots-O-years. A couple of questions. Any thoughts on doing rubber roofs in general? Any of you guys done this before? I have done lots of roofing, I've just never worked with rubber before. Any hints, or gotchas to look out for? Anyone ever dealt with the place linked above? Am I nuts? Appreciate any and all thoughts. Thanks, AL A. Butyl rubber and EDPM are both expensive materials and the life of the job is very dependant on the detailing of joints, edges, gutters and penetrations. Manufacturers won't guarantee the job unless the work is done by an authourised contractor. The most forgiving materials are the old bitumen based products which are built up in multiple layers. Butyl rubber is a good material which will last well over 40 years if properly applied to a good surface. You may have to re-sheath your roof with ply or fibrous cement sheet sarking. Get a manufacturer's data sheet and study it carefully. Some good information on Butynol he- http://www.butynol.co.nz/butynol_roofing.htm |
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"Al A." wrote in message ... Hi All, I am looking into reroofing a low pitched shed roof on the back of my house with rubber. I checked at a few local Home Despot stores and local lumber\home places, none carry rubber roofing stuff. They said "Well....Maybe we can order it in, but..." which only tells me that they will be absolutely no help so far as installation info goes, or if I come up short of stuff, etc. I did some Googling around on the web. Amazing that there seems to be only one(!) company in the US of A that markets this stuff to the DIY market. At least on the web. There seem to be about 100 or more in the UK, and europe but nothing else here. Hard to believe. Try googling DIY rubber roofing, you will see what I mean.I did find these guys: http://frs.flatroofsolutions.com/ I gave them a call, they come across well. Lots of good info over the phone, spent all the time I cared to talk and gave me a quote. They are selling Firestone EDPM membrane roofing, and trying to address the DIY crowd specifically, so they will cut to any size in 5' increments, up to 50' wide by as long-as-you-want-it, at 44 cents/Sq.FT. Not too shabby. One local roofing place I called will only sell in full rolls, the smallest costing a tad over $600.00 (for just the membrane, extras are, well, extra) with that being probably 3X as much rubber as I need. A few others made it clear that they did not want to deal with homeowners. The place on the web quoted me a bit over 600 bucks based on my ball-park sizes, but that included everything, rubber, adhesive, termination bar for finishing the edges, the matching caulking, flexi-tape stuff and adhesive for flashing the skylights and woodstove flue and truck shipping from wherever the heck they are. Everything except screws for the trim bar. That struck me as not too bad a deal. I sprang 10 bucks for their "rubber roofing for dummies" (OK, I made that name up) video. He is going to send along with that their instillation book and a sample of the rubber. I will let you know what I think when I get it and have a chance to look that stuff over. 3 local contractors gave me $2000.00+ quotes to do this roof. It is presently done with roll roofing. I have lived here 20 years and have replaced that roof 4 times. The rest of the roof on the house has been fine (redone last year after 19 years, who knows how old it was when I bought the house), but this one dosen't seem to hold up so well. The exposure and the trees and stuff do beat on it, and the roof is very old and a bit flexy. In any event, I would like to do this and not have to worry about it again for lots-O-years. A couple of questions. Any thoughts on doing rubber roofs in general? Any of you guys done this before? I have done lots of roofing, I've just never worked with rubber before. Any hints, or gotchas to look out for? Anyone ever dealt with the place linked above? Am I nuts? Appreciate any and all thoughts. Thanks, AL A. EPDM makes a great roof as long as it's not subject to a lot of physical damage. It's easy to repair with tape if it does get a cut. Firestone makes a mesh reinforced .045 that's a bit stronger than the usual .045. Fully adhered on an approved substrate is probably the best way to go for your situation. The right built up roof is still the ultimate low pitch/flat roof, but unless you spring big bucks for Tremco or want to deal with heating up real pitch, not that great an option in your case. Cold applied modified bitumen is a viable option. Torch applied is way too dangerous, especially on a wooden structure IMHO. |
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Check with local RV dealers that work on trailers. They buy rubber
roofing all the time for RV's. May be ripoff artists too! Sounds like the WEB source is your best bet. Bugs |
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"Al A." wrote in message ... Hi All, I am looking into reroofing a low pitched shed roof on the back of my house with rubber. I checked at a few local Home Despot stores and local lumber\home places, none carry rubber roofing stuff. They said "Well....Maybe we can order it in, but..." which only tells me that they will be absolutely no help so far as installation info goes, or if I come up short of stuff, etc. I did some Googling around on the web. Amazing that there seems to be only one(!) company in the US of A that markets this stuff to the DIY market. At least on the web. There seem to be about 100 or more in the UK, and europe but nothing else here. Hard to believe. Try googling DIY rubber roofing, you will see what I mean.I did find these guys: http://frs.flatroofsolutions.com/ I gave them a call, they come across well. Lots of good info over the phone, spent all the time I cared to talk and gave me a quote. They are selling Firestone EDPM membrane roofing, and trying to address the DIY crowd specifically, so they will cut to any size in 5' increments, up to 50' wide by as long-as-you-want-it, at 44 cents/Sq.FT. Not too shabby. One local roofing place I called will only sell in full rolls, the smallest costing a tad over $600.00 (for just the membrane, extras are, well, extra) with that being probably 3X as much rubber as I need. A few others made it clear that they did not want to deal with homeowners. The place on the web quoted me a bit over 600 bucks based on my ball-park sizes, but that included everything, rubber, adhesive, termination bar for finishing the edges, the matching caulking, flexi-tape stuff and adhesive for flashing the skylights and woodstove flue and truck shipping from wherever the heck they are. Everything except screws for the trim bar. That struck me as not too bad a deal. I sprang 10 bucks for their "rubber roofing for dummies" (OK, I made that name up) video. He is going to send along with that their instillation book and a sample of the rubber. I will let you know what I think when I get it and have a chance to look that stuff over. 3 local contractors gave me $2000.00+ quotes to do this roof. It is presently done with roll roofing. I have lived here 20 years and have replaced that roof 4 times. The rest of the roof on the house has been fine (redone last year after 19 years, who knows how old it was when I bought the house), but this one dosen't seem to hold up so well. The exposure and the trees and stuff do beat on it, and the roof is very old and a bit flexy. In any event, I would like to do this and not have to worry about it again for lots-O-years. A couple of questions. Any thoughts on doing rubber roofs in general? Any of you guys done this before? I have done lots of roofing, I've just never worked with rubber before. Any hints, or gotchas to look out for? Anyone ever dealt with the place linked above? Am I nuts? Appreciate any and all thoughts. Thanks, AL A. Is thus stuff solid rubber or more of a closed cell foam? We bought some of the latter material that is adhesive backed in 1/32" and 1/16" thicknesses at work a while back for another purpose and I've been wondering if it was made for some sort of roofing application. |
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I've used both the bitumen with liquid tar/adnesive and the torch down
style. Both have been in service for several years with no issues. Not sure which was the better route, both were a lot of work. I think the torch down gives a neater install. Neither is suitable for a roof that does not drain completely. 1/4" per foot is enough. Gary Brady wrote: Al A. wrote: A couple of questions. Any thoughts on doing rubber roofs in general? Any of you guys done this before? I have done lots of roofing, I've just never worked with rubber before. Any hints, or gotchas to look out for? Anyone ever dealt with the place linked above? Am I nuts? Appreciate any and all thoughts. Thanks, AL A. I had a very small EPDM roof done several years ago by a friend of mine who ran a roofing company. The roof only lasted a few years then started to crack. EPDM seems to work well in a ballasted situation, where gravel is placed on top to hold it down and shield it from the sun. You didn't say whether yours was to be ballasted or not, but the rubber that was used on my roof didn't last when exposed fully to the elements. Have you considered modified bitumen (torch down) roofing? It comes in much smaller rolls, about $40 each last time I checked. It's a little more tricky to put down since it has to be melted, but once you get the hang of it, it goes pretty well. It has a mineral surface to protect from UV exposure. If you have any quantity to do at all, I recommend buying a roofing torch intended for this operation. Makeshift torches (such as I have used) are more trouble than they're worth. EPDM is really intended for large production jobs since it can be readily made in such large rolls. Gary Brady Austin, TX |
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Thanks for all of the replies.
This would not be a ballasted instillation. It would be going over a plywood surface, as the roll roofing that is there will need to be stripped anyhow. I will look into the Modified bitumen systems some of you guys mentioned. Probably have to do the cold-bond, doing it with a torch is maybe a bit more than I feel up to, and would, without question, put my wife over the edge. So to speak. Anyhow, I do beleive that EDPM is the stuff that commonly gets put on trailer and mobile homes, I saw lots of reference to that in my web searching. I like the idea of a 40 year soloution to this. By then it will likely be someone elses problem. Still not sure how to go with this, but will let you know what I come up with. Thanks for all of the food for thought!! -AL |
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"Al A." wrote in message ... Thanks for all of the replies. This would not be a ballasted instillation. It would be going over a plywood surface, as the roll roofing that is there will need to be stripped anyhow. I will look into the Modified bitumen systems some of you guys mentioned. Probably have to do the cold-bond, doing it with a torch is maybe a bit more than I feel up to, and would, without question, put my wife over the edge. So to speak. Anyhow, I do beleive that EDPM is the stuff that commonly gets put on trailer and mobile homes, I saw lots of reference to that in my web searching. I like the idea of a 40 year soloution to this. By then it will likely be someone elses problem. Still not sure how to go with this, but will let you know what I come up with. Thanks for all of the food for thought!! -AL Ballasted EPDM roofs were pretty much a disaster. The seams failed prematurely because they stayed wet all of the time. Fully adhered, exposed EPDM is used on many nearly flat commercial roofs. It is usually good for 15 to 20 years. Most failures occur in seams or flashing, almost never in the field of the roof except for physical damage due to vandalism or equipment installs. An EPDM roof without seams and with a slight pitch should last WELL over 20 years. Installing it right over the existing plywood may leave it vulnerable to nail pops. A foam interface with approved fasteners would be better than your old plywood deck. |
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"ATP*" wrote in message ... Installing it right over the existing plywood may leave it vulnerable to nail pops. A foam interface with approved fasteners would be better than your old plywood deck. When I walk on the rubber roof of the building where I work, it feels like I am walking on a gym mat. There is definately some kind of padding under the rubber. I always assumed it to be some sort of foam. Vaughn |
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On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 18:25:22 -0400, Al A.
wrote: Hi All, I am looking into reroofing a low pitched shed roof on the back of my house with rubber. An acquaintance put a metal roof on his shed / barn by himself recently. He described the procedure to me when I was over to see the new construction and it seemed pretty simple -basically put it in place and screw it down using a special screw with a gasket. I don't know if a metal roof would work for a really flat roof, but it sure looked durable. RWL ******* Recreate gaps in email address to reply ******* |
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"Vaughn" wrote in message ... "ATP*" wrote in message ... Installing it right over the existing plywood may leave it vulnerable to nail pops. A foam interface with approved fasteners would be better than your old plywood deck. When I walk on the rubber roof of the building where I work, it feels like I am walking on a gym mat. There is definately some kind of padding under the rubber. I always assumed it to be some sort of foam. Vaughn In NY, it's typically polyisocyanurate tapered foam with some fiber reinforcement on the top and bottom. The roof is all figured out by the manufacturer and laid out so the tapered panels create slopes to drains. |
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There are a couple of brands. we have "Butynol" on our roof, which is held
down with contact adhesive. Another brand is a torch on system called Nuraply. IMO, the torch on ones are better as you melt the sheets together, so there is less chance of a leak, especially in corners. The common use for the stuff is for internal gutters. |
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On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 18:25:22 -0400, Al A.
wrote: Hi All, I am looking into reroofing a low pitched shed roof on the back of my house with rubber. I checked at a few local Home Despot stores and local lumber\home places, none carry rubber roofing stuff. They said "Well....Maybe we can order it in, but..." which only tells me that they will be absolutely no help so far as installation info goes, or if I come up short of stuff, etc. I did some Googling around on the web. Amazing that there seems to be only one(!) company in the US of A that markets this stuff to the DIY market. At least on the web. There seem to be about 100 or more in the UK, and europe but nothing else here. Hard to believe. Try googling DIY rubber roofing, you will see what I mean.I did find these guys: http://frs.flatroofsolutions.com/ I gave them a call, they come across well. Lots of good info over the phone, spent all the time I cared to talk and gave me a quote. They are selling Firestone EDPM membrane roofing, and trying to address the DIY crowd specifically, so they will cut to any size in 5' increments, up to 50' wide by as long-as-you-want-it, at 44 cents/Sq.FT. Not too shabby. One local roofing place I called will only sell in full rolls, the smallest costing a tad over $600.00 (for just the membrane, extras are, well, extra) with that being probably 3X as much rubber as I need. A few others made it clear that they did not want to deal with homeowners. The place on the web quoted me a bit over 600 bucks based on my ball-park sizes, but that included everything, rubber, adhesive, termination bar for finishing the edges, the matching caulking, flexi-tape stuff and adhesive for flashing the skylights and woodstove flue and truck shipping from wherever the heck they are. Everything except screws for the trim bar. That struck me as not too bad a deal. I sprang 10 bucks for their "rubber roofing for dummies" (OK, I made that name up) video. He is going to send along with that their instillation book and a sample of the rubber. I will let you know what I think when I get it and have a chance to look that stuff over. 3 local contractors gave me $2000.00+ quotes to do this roof. It is presently done with roll roofing. I have lived here 20 years and have replaced that roof 4 times. The rest of the roof on the house has been fine (redone last year after 19 years, who knows how old it was when I bought the house), but this one dosen't seem to hold up so well. The exposure and the trees and stuff do beat on it, and the roof is very old and a bit flexy. In any event, I would like to do this and not have to worry about it again for lots-O-years. A couple of questions. Any thoughts on doing rubber roofs in general? Any of you guys done this before? I have done lots of roofing, I've just never worked with rubber before. Any hints, or gotchas to look out for? Anyone ever dealt with the place linked above? Am I nuts? Appreciate any and all thoughts. My neighbor has done it on a flat roof. No problem after two years and two MN winters, seems to work fine. He noted that the stuff is extremely heavy. Not a problem for the roof, but he had a hell of a time getting it up there. |
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