You should check out the tools at www.b2bprofessionaltools.com
Great site.

On 20 Jul 2005 10:06:53 -0700, wrote:
You should check out the tools at www.SNIPPED

You "found" that site, eh? Odd, then, that the administrative and
technical contact for that site just, er, _happen_ to have the same
email address that you do.

In other words, you're a lying spammer, and should be avoided.
Whatever "make money on tha internets" class you took, you should get a
refund for.

When will these idiots ever learn that the shill spam is _so_ obvious,
and that a whois lookup takes all of 5 seconds to do?

And idiots like you got nothing better to do

On 20 Jul 2005 10:41:55 -0700, wrote:
And idiots like you got nothing better to do

Don't like being found out as a lying scammer, eh? Gee, that's too bad.
Let me see if I can squeeze out a tear for ya. ... nope, can't do it.

If you ran a decent busines, you wouldn't have to spam and lie to get
visitors to your site.

You've been called out, and you resort to name-calling? Highly
professional.

It's pretty much standard practice for most netizens to do what he did.
Thinly veiled spamming is pretty prevelent in most groups, and this is
obviously no different.

If you would have said, "Hey, here is the website to my business, could
you please check it out?" you would have gotten a better response.
It's still unlikely you would have gotten any business, since it is
still spam, but at least you would have been upfront and at least
started out appearing to be an honest individual. Instead you chose to
put up false pretenses to "advertise". Doesn't speak to many good
things for your business practices. How else are you going to screw
one of us over if you aren't even honest from step 0?

wrote:
And idiots like you got nothing better to do

You just did the equivalent of walking into a room full of tens of
thousands of potential customers, insult all their intelligence at
once, then when one calls you on it, you call him a name in public.

I buy most of my tools, bits, etc. on the 'net, but you can be damned
sure I'm staying away from you.

I have lots of better things to do than waste my money on obviously
dishonest jerks. I give enough money to the IRS to cover all my
masochistic needs, thank you.

What's even better is that all this stuff automatically gets saved for
posterity, so anyone in the future can do a simple search and there
you are, showing why potential customers should avoid you.

Every post in this thread just makes it easier to find.
Mike


On 20 Jul 2005 10:41:55 -0700, "
wrote:

And idiots like you got nothing better to do

Mike Patterson
Please remove the spamtrap to email me.
"I always wanted to be somebody...I should have been more specific..." - Lily Tomlin

Not only spam but his site is FULL of low-end foreign crap that everything I
looked at is about 5 times the price. You should see what he charges for
Chinese brushes, I wish I could sell American made for a quarter of what he
charges, I'd be rich!


wrote in message
oups.com...
You should check out the tools at www.b2bprofessionaltools.com
Great site.

If you would have said, "Hey, here is the website to my business, could
you please check it out?" you would have gotten a better response.

Better yet is to add your web site to the bottom of all your ON TOPIC posts
that actually enhance the group. It's called a "sig file" and can be set up
easily. Posting a message telling us you want to do that and telling us
your mail program is more acceptable than pretending you are a visitor to
some random site when you are indeed the site owner or admin contact.

Regards,
Joe Agro, Jr.
(800) 871-5022
http://www.AutoDrill.com
http://www.Multi-Drill.com

V8013-R

Tom Gardner wrote:

Not only spam but ...

.... the funnyest thing is the coupon on the WebPage. Do I have to jig
saw it out of my LCD when I put an order?

Maybe we should give that hint to stryped?


Nick
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more to come ...

On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 22:28:43 +0200, Nick Müller wrote:
Tom Gardner wrote:

Not only spam but ...

... the funnyest thing is the coupon on the WebPage. Do I have to jig
saw it out of my LCD when I put an order?

Maybe we should give that hint to stryped?

OOooh. The troll and the spammer - they deserve each other. Great
idea.

On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 20:23:30 GMT, Joe AutoDrill wrote:
If you would have said, "Hey, here is the website to my business, could
you please check it out?" you would have gotten a better response.

Better yet is to add your web site to the bottom of all your ON TOPIC posts
that actually enhance the group. It's called a "sig file" and can be set up
easily.

Yup. I know there's some guy named Joe here who does something with
autodrills. If I ever need something of the sort, his reputation as a
participant makes it obvious that I'll check out those links.

We're probably wasting our efforts, though, because the ****ed-off
spammer who has been exposed is probably gone by now.

Yup. I know there's some guy named Joe here who does something with
autodrills. If I ever need something of the sort, his reputation as a
participant makes it obvious that I'll check out those links.

I visited that AutoDrill site a few times! You guys should check it out
BIG FAT GRIN

You are right... He is probably gone. Sad thing si that he might have a
good product, but the spam killed our interest before he even got started.
--


Regards,
Joe Agro, Jr.
(800) 871-5022
http://www.AutoDrill.com
http://www.Multi-Drill.com

V8013-R

Dave Hinz wrote:

On 20 Jul 2005 10:06:53 -0700, wrote:

You should check out the tools at www.SNIPPED


You "found" that site, eh? Odd, then, that the administrative and
technical contact for that site just, er, _happen_ to have the same
email address that you do.

Could you teach me (us?) how you picked up on that that "same email
address"?

I did a WHOIS on www.SNIPPED through Network Solutions and it didn't
show the OP's email address as the same one used for the post.

But, a Google for "TJT Sales" got me to "www.tjts****.com", a company
selling similar jeweler's stuff, and a WHOIS on that URL reveals the
email address.

Did you use an easier way to nail that one?

**************

I'm still having trouble getting worked up over spam like that, which
does have a reasonable relationship to the newsgroup's theme. I know
that there are those who believe that if left unchecked things will
reach the point where so many posts will come from spammers that the
usefulness of the newsgroup will be compromised, but thus far that
hasn't been a problem for me.

I think that attracting new business relies greatly on creativity, and
while there's little question that those kind of posts are technically
dishonest, the damage is slight. Caveat emptor should always be used
when dealing with any new vendor.

I still remember a company salesman named I traveled around with quite a
bit about 30 years ago. Every time he visited a public restroom at a
convention related to our industry he'd leave a short stack of his
business cards on the top of each urinal. He swore the results were well
worth the effort.

And (true story, cross my heart) about 15 years ago SWMBO visited the
ladies' room at a professional convention and loudly asked, "Anyone here
interested in a speech therapy job in Boston?". From one of the closed
stalls came, "Yes, me." And from that she ended up with another employee.

Jeff
--
Jeffry Wisnia

(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)

"Truth exists; only falsehood has to be invented."

On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 17:23:03 -0400, Jeff Wisnia wrote:
Dave Hinz wrote:

You "found" that site, eh? Odd, then, that the administrative and
technical contact for that site just, er, _happen_ to have the same
email address that you do.

Could you teach me (us?) how you picked up on that that "same email
address"?

Sure, no problem. The site I've been using for this is right at Network
Solutions:
http://www.networksolutions.com/en_US/whois/index.jhtml
Punch in the domain in question, and there you go. His email is
listed right there in "technical and administrative contact", same as he
posted from.

I mean...if these people aren't even going to _try_...sheesh...

I did a WHOIS on www.SNIPPED through Network Solutions and it didn't
show the OP's email address as the same one used for the post.

Well, I don't use NetSol as a registrar, but I'm happy to use their free
tools when they're good. And this one, is.

Did you use an easier way to nail that one?

There ya go.

I'm still having trouble getting worked up over spam like that, which
does have a reasonable relationship to the newsgroup's theme. I know
that there are those who believe that if left unchecked things will
reach the point where so many posts will come from spammers that the
usefulness of the newsgroup will be compromised, but thus far that
hasn't been a problem for me.

Well, it's not just the "Hey, buy my crap" aspect of it, but the "oh,
give me a break, how stupid do you think we are" reaction to an obvious
shill. If the guy isn't honest from the beginning, what kind of service
should you expect from him if you give him money and something goes
wrong?

I think that attracting new business relies greatly on creativity, and
while there's little question that those kind of posts are technically
dishonest, the damage is slight. Caveat emptor should always be used
when dealing with any new vendor.

Far as I'm concerned, if the first thing out of a sales-weasel's mouth
is a lie, I'm done considering his product. I just told basically that
to a technical sales guy at work, for a 6-figure purchase. He lied
about his competitors; I had researched them and knew the real
situation. The product he sells has been removed from consideration
regardless of technical merits it may have, and the VP agrees with my
reasoning.

I still remember a company salesman named I traveled around with quite a
bit about 30 years ago. Every time he visited a public restroom at a
convention related to our industry he'd leave a short stack of his
business cards on the top of each urinal. He swore the results were well
worth the effort.

Well, sure that's just advertising. That's not handing them to guys as
they come in, saying "Hey, I just found this cool place that sells
stuff, you should check them out".

And (true story, cross my heart) about 15 years ago SWMBO visited the
ladies' room at a professional convention and loudly asked, "Anyone here
interested in a speech therapy job in Boston?". From one of the closed
stalls came, "Yes, me." And from that she ended up with another employee.

But again, that's an honest (if unusual) approach. Completely
different.

Dave Hinz

Dave Hinz wrote:

snipped

Could you teach me (us?) how you picked up on that that "same email
address"?


Sure, no problem. The site I've been using for this is right at Network
Solutions:
http://www.networksolutions.com/en_US/whois/index.jhtml
Punch in the domain in question, and there you go. His email is
listed right there in "technical and administrative contact", same as he
posted from.

Dave, the reason I asked you is because that's exactly where I did look
and the email addies for Administrative and Technical contacts both show as:



which is clearly the same as the OP's which is:



But, maybe that "Sharp cookie selling Girl Scouts" changed it with
Network Solutions right after you speared him, which could make both you
and I right. G

snipped


Well, it's not just the "Hey, buy my crap" aspect of it, but the "oh,
give me a break, how stupid do you think we are" reaction to an obvious
shill. If the guy isn't honest from the beginning, what kind of service
should you expect from him if you give him money and something goes
wrong?

I guessing....maybe the same kind of 'service' a farmer takes his cows
to a bull for?

Jeff

--
Jeffry Wisnia

(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)

"Truth exists; only falsehood has to be invented."

Jeff Wisnia wrote:
snipped


Dave, the reason I asked you is because that's exactly where I did look
and the email addies for Administrative and Technical contacts both show
as:



which is clearly the same as the OP's which is:

I meant NOT the same...another damn "brain fart"...



But, maybe that "Sharp cookie selling Girl Scouts" changed it with
Network Solutions right after you speared him, which could make both you
and I right. G



Jeff
--
Jeffry Wisnia

(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)

"Truth exists; only falsehood has to be invented."

Not only what Dave and the others said; my browser (N7.2) sniffed at the
certificates on his site, and didn't like the smell.
JR
Dweller in the cellar

wrote:

You should check out the tools at www.b2bprofessionaltools.com
Great site.



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On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 18:26:50 -0400, Jeff Wisnia wrote:
Dave Hinz wrote:

Sure, no problem. The site I've been using for this is right at Network
Solutions:
http://www.networksolutions.com/en_US/whois/index.jhtml

Dave, the reason I asked you is because that's exactly where I did look
and the email addies for Administrative and Technical contacts both show as:


Ah, he's changed it then. Perhaps I shouldn't have told him where he
made his mistake. Is there an update date on the record? Bet it's
yesterday...

But, maybe that "Sharp cookie selling Girl Scouts" changed it with
Network Solutions right after you speared him, which could make both you
and I right. G

I think there's a "record updated on" record which will show us.
I could dig through my browser cache, but as I know I saw it, I don't
see much point.

Well, it's not just the "Hey, buy my crap" aspect of it, but the "oh,
give me a break, how stupid do you think we are" reaction to an obvious
shill. If the guy isn't honest from the beginning, what kind of service
should you expect from him if you give him money and something goes
wrong?

I guessing....maybe the same kind of 'service' a farmer takes his cows
to a bull for?

Heh...

Dave Hinz wrote:



Ah, he's changed it then. Perhaps I shouldn't have told him where he
made his mistake. Is there an update date on the record? Bet it's
yesterday...


Yup, NetSol says:

"Database last updated on 20-Jul-2005"

I'm always interested in learning new stuff though. I wonder if he's
gone and hidden the contact email on his other domain name, tjtsales.com
too?


Jeff

--
Jeffry Wisnia

(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)

"Truth exists; only falsehood has to be invented."

On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 22:57:12 -0400, Jeff Wisnia wrote:
Dave Hinz wrote:

Ah, he's changed it then. Perhaps I shouldn't have told him where he
made his mistake. Is there an update date on the record? Bet it's
yesterday...

Yup, NetSol says: "Database last updated on 20-Jul-2005"

I'm always interested in learning new stuff though. I wonder if he's
gone and hidden the contact email on his other domain name, tjtsales.com
too?

Glad to know that I at least helped to inconvenience a spammer.
While getting their accounts yanked is satisfying as well, making them
jump through hoops is always enjoyable.

Dave Hinz wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 22:57:12 -0400, Jeff Wisnia wrote:

Dave Hinz wrote:


Glad to know that I at least helped to inconvenience a spammer.
While getting their accounts yanked is satisfying as well, making them
jump through hoops is always enjoyable.



This little lady's hobby is driving scammers nuts and wasting their
money in the process. She tickles my revenge fantasy neurons:

http://www.bustedupcowgirl.com/scampage.html

Jeff


--
Jeffry Wisnia

(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)

"Truth exists; only falsehood has to be invented."