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sheet metal gas engine project
On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 21:14:38 -0400, nanotech1
wrote: i was looking at some web site about the crosley engine notice that cylinder and head section was made of brazed sheet metal but not the crankcase and i was wondering if it is possible to build an engine about the size of a 8 hp Brigg and straton out of steel or aluminium sheet metal ( for cylinder block and crankcase) and tubing( steel tubing for cylinder sleeve cyl,head ports) yet some parts still be made in billet it would be water cooled and overhead valve or flathead it would be a nice project with the right machine tool ( milling , metal lathe ,ect) all sheet metal arc welded then machined i know that GM EMD diesel locomotive engines are done this way and some european diesel truck engine like MATRA ( there V12 engine block is made out of steel sheet metal) does some knows if it as been done for a project The BLOCK was made of sheet metal on the early Crosley. |
sheet metal gas engine project
"nanotech1" wrote in message
... i was looking at some web site about the crosley engine notice that cylinder and head section was made of brazed sheet metal but not the crankcase and i was wondering if it is possible to build an engine about the size of a 8 hp Brigg and straton out of steel or aluminium sheet metal ( for cylinder block and crankcase) and tubing( steel tubing for cylinder sleeve cyl,head ports) yet some parts still be made in billet it would be water cooled and overhead valve or flathead it would be a nice project with the right machine tool ( milling , metal lathe ,ect) all sheet metal arc welded then machined i know that GM EMD diesel locomotive engines are done this way and some european diesel truck engine like MATRA ( there V12 engine block is made out of steel sheet metal) does some knows if it as been done for a project 'Don't know if it's been done for a project, but there are other commercial/professional examples. The Mercedes-Benz Grand Prix engines of the late 1930s were welded. And GM revived the idea of a furnace-brazed engine, like the Crosley, in the late 1970s. It was never built in production, but I saw one and all the parts at a SAE show around 1979. The parts were stamped. There have been other welded racing engines but I can't remember any specifics. Ed Huntress |
sheet metal gas engine project
nanotech1 wrote: i was looking at some web site about the crosley engine notice that cylinder and head section was made of brazed sheet metal (clip) ^^^^^^^^^^^ This goes back so many years, that I'm not sure my memory can be trusted, but I recall hearing that that engine was originally intended to be "disposable." It was parachuted into combat areas, never intended to have a long life. It seems to me that was the explanation given for why it was never a very good automotive engine. That is not to say that a good engine could not be made using sheet-metal stampings and precision cylinder liners. |
sheet metal gas engine project
Around 1900 there were all sorts of projects in magazines on building
copies of small, new-fangled gasoline engines. In fact, one story I read claimed Henry Ford's engine for his first, homemade car came from such a project article in a magazine. It used pipes and pipe fittings for various major engine parts. BTW, the Crosley engine was designed by a guy named Taylor, and required very specific processing before and during brazing, and Crosley would not take time nor money to do it right, and that is why they failed, and he went to cast blocks. The Wrights used a lot of weldments and stock in their first few engines. nanotech1 wrote: i was looking at some web site about the crosley engine notice that cylinder and head section was made of brazed sheet metal but not the crankcase and i was wondering if it is possible to build an engine about the size of a 8 hp Brigg and straton out of steel or aluminium sheet metal ( for cylinder block and crankcase) and tubing( steel tubing for cylinder sleeve cyl,head ports) yet some parts still be made in billet it would be water cooled and overhead valve or flathead it would be a nice project with the right machine tool ( milling , metal lathe ,ect) all sheet metal arc welded then machined i know that GM EMD diesel locomotive engines are done this way and some european diesel truck engine like MATRA ( there V12 engine block is made out of steel sheet metal) does some knows if it as been done for a project -- Don Stauffer in Minnesota webpage- http://www.usfamily.net/web/stauffer |
sheet metal gas engine project
clare, @, snyder.on, .ca wrote:
On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 21:14:38 -0400, nanotech1 wrote: i was looking at some web site about the crosley engine notice that cylinder and head section was made of brazed sheet metal but not the crankcase and i was wondering if it is possible to build an engine about the size of a 8 hp Brigg and straton out of steel or aluminium sheet metal ( for cylinder block and crankcase) and tubing( steel tubing for cylinder sleeve cyl,head ports) yet some parts still be made in billet it would be water cooled and overhead valve or flathead it would be a nice project with the right machine tool ( milling , metal lathe ,ect) all sheet metal arc welded then machined i know that GM EMD diesel locomotive engines are done this way and some european diesel truck engine like MATRA ( there V12 engine block is made out of steel sheet metal) does some knows if it as been done for a project The BLOCK was made of sheet metal on the early Crosley. I actually OWNED one of those in high school. The engine used the trade name "Cobra", for 'copper brazed'. A buddy and I ripped out that engine and shoehorned a Ford "V8-60" into it. Shortly thereafter I aquired a Willys Aero Ace - The one with the "F head" engine in it. (Intake valves overhead, exhaust valves in the block.) Thanks for the memories... Jeff -- Jeff Wisnia (W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE) "If you can keep smiling when things go wrong, you've thought of someone to place the blame on." |
sheet metal gas engine project
clare, @, snyder.on, .ca wrote:
On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 21:14:38 -0400, nanotech1 wrote: i was looking at some web site about the crosley engine notice that cylinder and head section was made of brazed sheet metal but not the crankcase and i was wondering if it is possible to build an engine about the size of a 8 hp Brigg and straton out of steel or aluminium sheet metal ( for cylinder block and crankcase) and tubing( steel tubing for cylinder sleeve cyl,head ports) yet some parts still be made in billet it would be water cooled and overhead valve or flathead it would be a nice project with the right machine tool ( milling , metal lathe ,ect) all sheet metal arc welded then machined i know that GM EMD diesel locomotive engines are done this way and some european diesel truck engine like MATRA ( there V12 engine block is made out of steel sheet metal) does some knows if it as been done for a project The BLOCK was made of sheet metal on the early Crosley. I actually OWNED one of those Crosleys back in high school. The engine had the trade name "Cobra", for 'copper brazed'. A buddy and I ripped out that engine and shoehorned a Ford "V8-60" into it. Shortly thereafter I aquired a Willys Aero Ace - The one with the "F head" engine in it. (Intake valves overhead, exhaust valves in the block.) Thanks for the memories... Jeff -- Jeff Wisnia (W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE) "If you can keep smiling when things go wrong, you've thought of someone to place the blame on." |
sheet metal gas engine project
Ed Huntress wrote:
"Don Stauffer" wrote in message ... Around 1900 there were all sorts of projects in magazines on building copies of small, new-fangled gasoline engines. In fact, one story I read claimed Henry Ford's engine for his first, homemade car came from such a project article in a magazine. It used pipes and pipe fittings for various major engine parts. BTW, the Crosley engine was designed by a guy named Taylor, and required very specific processing before and during brazing, and Crosley would not take time nor money to do it right, and that is why they failed, and he went to cast blocks. A basic problem with the Crosley was that the copper brazing (pure copper) on the steel engine parts created galvanic corrosion. When GM revived the idea in the late '70s, they pointed out that today's antifreeze solves the problem. Ed Huntress look at that web page http://www.ggw.org/~cac/Mighty_Tin.html the famous crosley by the way i should have point out of thin metal plate not sheet metal it would be fun to see a small engine cyl block for a 1 cyl 8hp made of 1/8 inch or 3/16 inch plate all welded together like i said in my subject question diesel engine ( series 567,645,710 from V6 to V20 cyl configuration) in EMD GM locomotive have all there cyl block are made out of steel plate assembled than welded together i have a pocket maintenance book on the 567 and there is an illustration of cyl block where you can really see the welded seams clear PS: the emd series number = cu/in displacement per cyl |
sheet metal gas engine project
Jeff Wisnia wrote:
clare, @, snyder.on, .ca wrote: On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 21:14:38 -0400, nanotech1 wrote: i was looking at some web site about the crosley engine notice that cylinder and head section was made of brazed sheet metal but not the crankcase and i was wondering if it is possible to build an engine about the size of a 8 hp Brigg and straton out of steel or aluminium sheet metal ( for cylinder block and crankcase) and tubing( steel tubing for cylinder sleeve cyl,head ports) yet some parts still be made in billet it would be water cooled and overhead valve or flathead it would be a nice project with the right machine tool ( milling , metal lathe ,ect) all sheet metal arc welded then machined i know that GM EMD diesel locomotive engines are done this way and some european diesel truck engine like MATRA ( there V12 engine block is made out of steel sheet metal) does some knows if it as been done for a project The BLOCK was made of sheet metal on the early Crosley. I actually OWNED one of those in high school. The engine used the trade name "Cobra", for 'copper brazed'. A buddy and I ripped out that engine and shoehorned a Ford "V8-60" into it. Shortly thereafter I aquired a Willys Aero Ace - The one with the "F head" engine in it. (Intake valves overhead, exhaust valves in the block.) Thanks for the memories... Jeff -- Jeff Wisnia (W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE) "If you can keep smiling when things go wrong, you've thought of someone to place the blame on." Another bit of trivia. The Moony aircraft "Mite" had a Crosley engine at first. Later they put in an opposed four cylinder. The Mite was mostly wood and looked like a model P51. Bill K7NOM |
sheet metal gas engine project
On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 16:26:58 GMT, Carl Byrns
wrote: On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 14:04:38 GMT, Joe Kultgen wrote: IIRC Franklin did this as well on their large diesels, especially the ones that used both ends of the same cylinder. (Two crankshafts with pistons compressing towards each other.) You sure it wasn't Fairbanks-Morse? FM was famous for their OP. I don't believe Franklin got involved with large diesels- just air-cooled aircraft engines (except for the water-cooled Tucker). -Carl (who lives about half a mile from the former Franklin plant). Major purveyor of the twin crank engine was the Commer in Britain. FMC also built them - used a lot as mine engines IIRC. |
sheet metal gas engine project
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