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Mounting 5/32" X 1/2" long threaded rod in 1/2" sheet steel, 36 times?
Greetings ALl,
I'm building a vacuum chamber for coating larger telescope mirrors (up to 24" in diameter) (Amateur adventure, not really for financial gains!) I'm currently perplexed on the best method to mount the 36 evaporative heating elements supports on the back wall of the chamber. Currently I have a plan on how to complete the mounts, but first I must support the 36 x 1/2" long ceramic stand offs. The wall that these 36 points will be mounted to is 1/2" thick sheet steel, and the end results has to be a leak free semi-strong support (there's no real weight being supported, just the occasional need to change the tungsten filaments.) My Current ideas a #1 Drill 36 holes thru the back wall, insert 5/32" bolt with an O-ring on the outside, and a nut on the inside. However this becomes 36 new points to search for vacuum leaks! #2 Drill 36 holes, but only 1/4" deep into the backside of the 1/2" thick back wall. This leads to three possible mounting methods A) Big Hammer, and just "Nail" the threaded rod into the under-sized hole, and hope it holds together (Yea, uh huh g) B) Heat the hole and braze the threaded rod into place, but this might cause un-wanted heat-shrinkage in the back wall... C) Use an adhesive that won't out-gass to hold the threaded rods in place. (Like some type of epoxy, but these might see somewhat high heat loads, and I worry the epoxy will break down over time) #3 Drill the 36 holes, 1/4" deep, and Blind Thread the holes (sounds like I'll be breaking a BUNCH of taps!!) Any other thoughts?? Take Care, James Lerch http://lerch.no-ip.com/atm (My telescope construction, Testing, and Coating site) |
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Mounting 5/32" X 1/2" long threaded rod in 1/2" sheet steel, 36 times?
Can you double wall this thing? mount the rods to an 1/8" plate or so and
then affix this thinner plate to the 1/2" structural plate? Or mount the standoffs on strips of metal say 6 strips of 6 and affix the strip to the back plate? lg no neat sig line "James Lerch" wrote in message ... Greetings ALl, I'm building a vacuum chamber for coating larger telescope mirrors (up to 24" in diameter) (Amateur adventure, not really for financial gains!) I'm currently perplexed on the best method to mount the 36 evaporative heating elements supports on the back wall of the chamber. Currently I have a plan on how to complete the mounts, but first I must support the 36 x 1/2" long ceramic stand offs. The wall that these 36 points will be mounted to is 1/2" thick sheet steel, and the end results has to be a leak free semi-strong support (there's no real weight being supported, just the occasional need to change the tungsten filaments.) My Current ideas a #1 Drill 36 holes thru the back wall, insert 5/32" bolt with an O-ring on the outside, and a nut on the inside. However this becomes 36 new points to search for vacuum leaks! #2 Drill 36 holes, but only 1/4" deep into the backside of the 1/2" thick back wall. This leads to three possible mounting methods A) Big Hammer, and just "Nail" the threaded rod into the under-sized hole, and hope it holds together (Yea, uh huh g) B) Heat the hole and braze the threaded rod into place, but this might cause un-wanted heat-shrinkage in the back wall... C) Use an adhesive that won't out-gass to hold the threaded rods in place. (Like some type of epoxy, but these might see somewhat high heat loads, and I worry the epoxy will break down over time) #3 Drill the 36 holes, 1/4" deep, and Blind Thread the holes (sounds like I'll be breaking a BUNCH of taps!!) Any other thoughts?? Take Care, James Lerch http://lerch.no-ip.com/atm (My telescope construction, Testing, and Coating site) |
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Mounting 5/32" X 1/2" long threaded rod in 1/2" sheet steel, 36times?
James Lerch wrote:
.... I'm building a vacuum chamber for coating larger telescope mirrors .... I'm currently perplexed on the best method to mount the 36 evaporative heating elements supports on the back wall of the chamber. Currently I have a plan on how to complete the mounts, but first I must support the 36 x 1/2" long ceramic stand offs. The wall that these 36 points will be mounted to is 1/2" thick sheet steel, and the end results has to be a leak free semi-strong support (there's no real weight being supported, just the occasional need to change the tungsten filaments.) My Current ideas a #1 Drill 36 holes thru the back wall, insert 5/32" bolt with an O-ring on the outside [...] #2 [...] #3 [...] You mentioned a spot welder in your later post; I think spot welding the supports to the wall would be a reasonable approach. You would need flat-head bolts and a spot welder pressure foot with a 5/32" hole in it to press the flat head against the wall without munging the threads during the weld. You probably should run a few tests with some bolts, your welder, and scrap 1/2" plate to decide if this will work. -jiw |
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Mounting 5/32" X 1/2" long threaded rod in 1/2" sheet steel, 36 times?
A variant of someone else's suggestion is to use a thin plate of sheet metal
(16 ga or so) and press in PEM-style studs. Yes you have to drill or punch the holes first but no welding and thus no warping. Put in lots of ventilation holes between the studs to pump out the space between sheet metal and wall (and get the surface area down for faster pumpdown), and attach the sheet to the wall with a hole tapped into the 1/2" wall at each corner. If you do drill and tap 1/4" into your 1/2" wall, make sure to vent the threads. Either drill a hole down the center of each stud or grind a flat on one side to make the threaded end somewhat D shaped. That lets the gas (air at first, then water forever) escape much faster. Also, if you have fasteners threaded into both ends of your ceramic spacers you need a way to vent the middle. Either a hole drilled into the side or again, drill through the screw or D shaped threads (McMaster Carr sells a small selection of vented screws with the holes already drilled). If you do braze or weld the studs into place, don't do it into a blind hole without a vent path or you can get an impossible to find virtual leak if the braze doesn't make a good seal and the air behind it leaks into the chamber (it's impossible to find because you can't get to the back side of the leak). -- Regards, Carl Ijames |
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