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That's a model C lathe (no X or Y powerfeeds at all), ways look pretty worn, no
indication of spindle bearing condition or if the spindle's bent or if the headstock gears are pitted. Clearly doesn't have a quickchange toolpost, looks like there might be a steady rest, dog driver plate and some threading change gears underneath, looks like a partially-completed MLA T-slot cross-slide table on the shelf behind. The lathe is mixed in with a little bit of machinist tooling and a lot of oil and chips. How much it's worth is very dependent on condition, and if there isn't any indication, a buyer has to assume the worst. Neglecting that, in areas with lots of machinery available, the price might be in the $450-800 range. Out on the prairie or in the Deep South, where there isn't as much machinery available, probably a bit more. Lot of stuff down there has rust on it, which you hate to see, means stuff has been badly neglected. In Seattle I wouldn't offer more than $250 for it, just to part it out. Unless I knew its spindle bearings and spindle were OK and the backgears were all OK too, then I might go $500. Best I can do from photos, good luck to whomever. Gunner's a good guy, but he doesn't have room for it. Please don't give it to him! Grant Erwin Gunner wrote: On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 16:41:47 -0400, wrote: I'd say sorry about the off topic post but half of them are off topic on this list and at least this is a machine tool, though not CNC. A lady my uncle knows, asked him to look at her husbands workshop and try to price some of this things. He died recently and she really isn't hurting for money but doesn't want to give things away unless it is to her kids. Her husband had a small South Bend bench lathe that he used to make parts for people in the area. Not very big, or strong, or whatever but he was getting work done with it. The details are 9" Workshop 3' bed Model 415-YA Hires (7MP Jpeg) http://wess.freeshell.org/DSC01552.JPG 3M http://wess.freeshell.org/DSC01553.JPG Not as Hires but still big: http://wess.freeshell.org/DSC01552_Q65.jpg http://wess.freeshell.org/DSC01553_Q65.jpg The tape on chuck is what a friend thought it would go for. On some items they were in the ball park and others not. I looked at a drill press that I told her she could likely do better but if not, I would buy it for the price that was marked since it seemed fair. Is there a group or mailing list that addresses collectors of these things? The lathe seemed to be in good shape and a working tool. Thanks, Wes Reply to my antispam address below and mark urgent so I don't miss it in the pile of crap in my in box. I cross posted this into rec.crafts.metalworking where they really DO know what this is worth. Gunner "Considering the events of recent years, the world has a long way to go to regain its credibility and reputation with the US." unknown |
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On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 21:15:29 -0700, Grant Erwin
wrote: In Seattle I wouldn't offer more than $250 for it, just to part it out. Unless I knew its spindle bearings and spindle were OK and the backgears were all OK too, then I might go $500. Best I can do from photos, good luck to whomever. Gunner's a good guy, but he doesn't have room for it. Please don't give it to him! Grant Erwin What would I want with SouthBends, when I have Hardinge? G I of course passed on the post to you plebian types for your consideration. Gunner "Considering the events of recent years, the world has a long way to go to regain its credibility and reputation with the US." unknown |
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On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 21:15:29 -0700, Grant Erwin
wrote: That's a model C lathe (no X or Y powerfeeds at all), ways look pretty worn, no indication of spindle bearing condition or if the spindle's bent or if the headstock gears are pitted. Clearly doesn't have a quickchange toolpost, looks like there might be a steady rest, dog driver plate and some threading change gears underneath, looks like a partially-completed MLA T-slot cross-slide table on the shelf behind. The lathe is mixed in with a little bit of machinist tooling and a lot of oil and chips. How much it's worth is very dependent on condition, and if there isn't any indication, a buyer has to assume the worst. Neglecting that, in areas with lots of machinery available, the price might be in the $450-800 range. Out on the prairie or in the Deep South, where there isn't as much machinery available, probably a bit more. Lot of stuff down there has rust on it, which you hate to see, means stuff has been badly neglected. In Seattle I wouldn't offer more than $250 for it, just to part it out. Unless I knew its spindle bearings and spindle were OK and the backgears were all OK too, then I might go $500. Best I can do from photos, good luck to whomever. Gunner's a good guy, but he doesn't have room for it. Please don't give it to him! Grant Erwin Hi Grant, Are you serious? $ 450? ( I won't even mention $800 ) I've thrown away better looking lathes than this. Sorry, no disrespect to the OP or owner. Is it because it's an antique? I guess I will have to look at non cnc prices more carefully and get rid of some excess equipment. Think I've still got an old SB or Logan around here somewhere. Will |
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On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 14:18:34 GMT, Will
wrote: On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 21:15:29 -0700, Grant Erwin wrote: That's a model C lathe (no X or Y powerfeeds at all), ways look pretty worn, no indication of spindle bearing condition or if the spindle's bent or if the headstock gears are pitted. Clearly doesn't have a quickchange toolpost, looks like there might be a steady rest, dog driver plate and some threading change gears underneath, looks like a partially-completed MLA T-slot cross-slide table on the shelf behind. The lathe is mixed in with a little bit of machinist tooling and a lot of oil and chips. How much it's worth is very dependent on condition, and if there isn't any indication, a buyer has to assume the worst. Neglecting that, in areas with lots of machinery available, the price might be in the $450-800 range. Out on the prairie or in the Deep South, where there isn't as much machinery available, probably a bit more. Lot of stuff down there has rust on it, which you hate to see, means stuff has been badly neglected. In Seattle I wouldn't offer more than $250 for it, just to part it out. Unless I knew its spindle bearings and spindle were OK and the backgears were all OK too, then I might go $500. Best I can do from photos, good luck to whomever. Gunner's a good guy, but he doesn't have room for it. Please don't give it to him! Grant Erwin Hi Grant, Are you serious? $ 450? ( I won't even mention $800 ) I've thrown away better looking lathes than this. Sorry, no disrespect to the OP or owner. Is it because it's an antique? I guess I will have to look at non cnc prices more carefully and get rid of some excess equipment. Think I've still got an old SB or Logan around here somewhere. Will Hobbyists are always looking for old iron. Particularly good American Iron. Some machines of course are more desireable than others. SouthBend Heavy 10 commands more than the C model, and so forth. Thats one of the things I personally do..scrounge up surplus machines that hobbiests can use., and pass em on. I hate to see history go into the dumpster. Gunner "Considering the events of recent years, the world has a long way to go to regain its credibility and reputation with the US." unknown |
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Will wrote:
On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 21:15:29 -0700, Grant Erwin ... I wouldn't offer more than $250 for it, just to part it out. Unless I knew its spindle bearings and spindle were OK and the backgears were all OK too, then I might go $500. Grant Erwin Hi Grant, Are you serious? $ 450? ( I won't even mention $800 ) I've thrown away better looking lathes than this. Sorry, no disrespect to the OP or owner. Is it because it's an antique? I guess I will have to look at non cnc prices more carefully and get rid of some excess equipment. Think I've still got an old SB or Logan around here somewhere. I was serious, Will. There is a lot of demand for smaller manual machines, particularly South Bends, Logans and Atlases. Even so, I didn't say $450, I said $250, not to nit pick. No good at all for pro shop work, waaaay too slow. But a buddy who's getting a model cannon ready for July 4th just came over and I turned him a nice long round nut threaded down the bore 1-1/2" deep for the height adjust mechanism. You just can not do that without a lathe. And I don't want or need a big one. GWE |
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I was serious, Will. There is a lot of demand for smaller manual machines, particularly South Bends, Logans and Atlases. Even so, I didn't say $450, I said $250, not to nit pick. No good at all for pro shop work, waaaay too slow. But a buddy who's getting a model cannon ready for July 4th just came over and I turned him a nice long round nut threaded down the bore 1-1/2" deep for the height adjust mechanism. You just can not do that without a lathe. And I don't want or need a big one. GWE I'm currently trying to decide whether to keep my Logan 9B-17-1. Nice machine, my first lathe. QC box, automatic apron, excellent condition. But I recently got an Enco 1024 that should do everything the Logan will, and then some. It's an older machine with no visible wear, was found with only aluminum and plastic chips. Doesn't make sense to keep both. I suppose I'll just see which one gets used, and which doesn't. |
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Ignoramus30369 wrote:
I think that I will get rid of my Clausing 100 series lathe, and will look for something bigger. Guys told me to get a real lathe, stop fiddling with that toy SB9. So I bought a nice Cincinnati 15x30" Hydrashift, ran beautifully, real nice machine. I had them both under power in my shop for about 3 years. I used the South Bend whenever I could, because I'm used to it and I like it. When I did machining for money (the few times I did) of course I used the big machine. Took up a lot of floor space and it cost me big bucks. I recently sold it, and have never regretted it. I still use my SB9 all the time. I think that will be one of the last machines I sell when I get old or whatever. I'm *not* a pro machinist, just a guy with a shop, though. Grant |
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In article ,
Grant Erwin wrote: Ignoramus30369 wrote: I think that I will get rid of my Clausing 100 series lathe, and will look for something bigger. Guys told me to get a real lathe, stop fiddling with that toy SB9. So I bought a nice Cincinnati 15x30" Hydrashift, ran beautifully, real nice machine. I had them both under power in my shop for about 3 years. I used the South Bend whenever I could, because I'm used to it and I like it. When I did machining for money (the few times I did) of course I used the big machine. Took up a lot of floor space and it cost me big bucks. I recently sold it, and have never regretted it. I still use my SB9 all the time. I think that will be one of the last machines I sell when I get old or whatever. I'm *not* a pro machinist, just a guy with a shop, though. I like having multiple sizes available. My largest is noticeably smaller than your big one -- only a 12x24" Clausing. But I also have (and use), in order of size: 1) Emco-Maier Compact-5/CNC (5" swing). Nice when cutting metric threads or dimensions, and nice when doing a lot of something complex. 2) Taig -- manual lathe, usually used with watchmaker's spindle an collets. Nice for smaller workpieces where the higher spindle speed is a big help. 3) Unimat SL-1000 -- also usually used with a watchmaker's spindle for tiny workpieces. On a recent project, I used all three of these (and not the bigger Clausing). But -- I would not get rid of the Clausing, either. Enjoy, DoN. -- Email: | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564 (too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero --- |
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You sound like me. I have a weakness for little lathes.
Currently I have the 9" Logan, 10" Enco, and a 6" antique AA Did you see this one? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...DME:B:DS:US:28 This is a Craftsman lathe, late model. Says it's Austrian? First I've heard of this one. This one is also interesting: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...e=STRK:MEWA:IT Scratch-built by a machinist. - - Rex Burkheimer WM Automotive Fort Worth TX DoN. Nichols wrote: In article , Grant Erwin wrote: Ignoramus30369 wrote: I think that I will get rid of my Clausing 100 series lathe, and will look for something bigger. Guys told me to get a real lathe, stop fiddling with that toy SB9. So I bought a nice Cincinnati 15x30" Hydrashift, ran beautifully, real nice machine. I had them both under power in my shop for about 3 years. I used the South Bend whenever I could, because I'm used to it and I like it. When I did machining for money (the few times I did) of course I used the big machine. Took up a lot of floor space and it cost me big bucks. I recently sold it, and have never regretted it. I still use my SB9 all the time. I think that will be one of the last machines I sell when I get old or whatever. I'm *not* a pro machinist, just a guy with a shop, though. I like having multiple sizes available. My largest is noticeably smaller than your big one -- only a 12x24" Clausing. But I also have (and use), in order of size: 1) Emco-Maier Compact-5/CNC (5" swing). Nice when cutting metric threads or dimensions, and nice when doing a lot of something complex. 2) Taig -- manual lathe, usually used with watchmaker's spindle an collets. Nice for smaller workpieces where the higher spindle speed is a big help. 3) Unimat SL-1000 -- also usually used with a watchmaker's spindle for tiny workpieces. On a recent project, I used all three of these (and not the bigger Clausing). But -- I would not get rid of the Clausing, either. Enjoy, DoN. |
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In article , Rex B "" wrote:
You sound like me. I have a weakness for little lathes. Currently I have the 9" Logan, 10" Enco, and a 6" antique AA Did you see this one? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...DME:B:DS:US:28 This is a Craftsman lathe, late model. Says it's Austrian? First I've heard of this one. It *looks* like a version of the Emco-Maier Compact-5 -- the manual version of my Compact-5/CNC. They were Austrian, though the manual lathes (and even the Compact-5/CNC) have all been discontinued by now. The standard color for those (as sold by Emco-Maier) is an orange, except for the latest, which had a red finish. I didn't realize that Sears was selling a version of that at one time. It is certainly a nice machine for its size, based on the CNC version which I have. (Though if you bid on it and get it, I can make some suggestions to reduce gib wear. :-) This one is also interesting: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...e=STRK:MEWA:IT Scratch-built by a machinist. Now *that* one is cute. But the fellow describing it is obviously not really familiar with the field. :-) I'd like to know things like the spindle thread and bore, and the maximum swing. I suspect that it uses the same spindle thread as the 109 series AA lathes, but that is just a guess. If so, it certainly can't handle much spindle bore. :-) No spindle thread on the Sears copy of the Compact-5, as the chucks bolt directly to the spindle nose, registered by a 40mm recess in the back of the chuck and a 40mm diameter flat spindle nose (with a MT-2 spindle taper). The chuck attaches with three screws (for a 3-jaw chuck) or four screws (for a 4-jaw chuck), with the screws located between the jaws. There is also an ER style collet nosepiece avaiable for the machine. Enjoy, DoN. -- Email: | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564 (too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero --- |
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Both lathes have exceeded my "What the hell" maximum.
I'll stick with what I have, but I'll sure keep an eye out for a "Craftsman/Emco" - - Rex Burkheimer WM Automotive Fort Worth TX DoN. Nichols wrote: In article , Rex B "" wrote: You sound like me. I have a weakness for little lathes. Currently I have the 9" Logan, 10" Enco, and a 6" antique AA Did you see this one? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...DME:B:DS:US:28 This is a Craftsman lathe, late model. Says it's Austrian? First I've heard of this one. It *looks* like a version of the Emco-Maier Compact-5 -- the manual version of my Compact-5/CNC. They were Austrian, though the manual lathes (and even the Compact-5/CNC) have all been discontinued by now. The standard color for those (as sold by Emco-Maier) is an orange, except for the latest, which had a red finish. I didn't realize that Sears was selling a version of that at one time. It is certainly a nice machine for its size, based on the CNC version which I have. (Though if you bid on it and get it, I can make some suggestions to reduce gib wear. :-) This one is also interesting: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...e=STRK:MEWA:IT Scratch-built by a machinist. Now *that* one is cute. But the fellow describing it is obviously not really familiar with the field. :-) I'd like to know things like the spindle thread and bore, and the maximum swing. I suspect that it uses the same spindle thread as the 109 series AA lathes, but that is just a guess. If so, it certainly can't handle much spindle bore. :-) No spindle thread on the Sears copy of the Compact-5, as the chucks bolt directly to the spindle nose, registered by a 40mm recess in the back of the chuck and a 40mm diameter flat spindle nose (with a MT-2 spindle taper). The chuck attaches with three screws (for a 3-jaw chuck) or four screws (for a 4-jaw chuck), with the screws located between the jaws. There is also an ER style collet nosepiece avaiable for the machine. Enjoy, DoN. |
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In article , Rex B "" wrote:
Both lathes have exceeded my "What the hell" maximum. I'll stick with what I have, but I'll sure keep an eye out for a "Craftsman/Emco" Or -- just an Emco-Maier Compact-5, which would have the proper color. :-) The CNC version will probably be well above your price range, unless you are very lucky. Here is one of the CNC versions on eBay: 7523702712 But there is at least one *glaring* error in the "Description" Swing Over Bed: Less than 10'' Yes -- it is less than 10" -- it is only 5" -- a major difference. The more complete description, however, is more accurate. I'm not sure whether it is the earlier or later CPU board and firmware. The focus on the area of the buttons is not good enough to be sure. It has the poorer of the two styles of quick-change toolpost, however, which makes me suspect that it is the older style. It has the platform for the tracing option -- to allow a student to draw what its cuts will be on paper on a roll held behind the bed before damaging something with a poor program.. (That is being used to support some of the tooling.) I don't see the pen holder arm which is supposed to be used for that -- or the pin which the paper roll turns on. It has only one tool holder (shown), and has only the 4-jaw chuck, but at least it appears to have a pretty good tailstock chuck and a nice live center. And it has a turret toolpost which I have never seen on this machine before. (Not to be confused with the turret toolholder which is controlled by the lathe's electronics. O.K. Another angle shows it to be the older CPU board, so it is almost certainly also the older firmware. That particular style of buttons had developed a lot of keybounce in my example -- one of the reasons why I went for a newer CPU card, as well as getting the fancier firmware. And a really *terrible* shot of the back, where the connectors could otherwise have perhaps told me a bit more about it. Skip this one (if you are tempted). Enjoy, DoN. -- Email: | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564 (too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero --- |
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"Gunner" wrote in message ... On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 16:41:47 -0400, wrote: I'd say sorry about the off topic post but half of them are off topic on this list and at least this is a machine tool, though not CNC. A lady my uncle knows, asked him to look at her husbands workshop and try to price some of this things. He died recently and she really isn't hurting for money but doesn't want to give things away unless it is to her kids. Her husband had a small South Bend bench lathe that he used to make parts for people in the area. Not very big, or strong, or whatever but he was getting work done with it. The details are 9" Workshop 3' bed Model 415-YA Hires (7MP Jpeg) http://wess.freeshell.org/DSC01552.JPG 3M http://wess.freeshell.org/DSC01553.JPG Not as Hires but still big: http://wess.freeshell.org/DSC01552_Q65.jpg http://wess.freeshell.org/DSC01553_Q65.jpg The tape on chuck is what a friend thought it would go for. On some items they were in the ball park and others not. I looked at a drill press that I told her she could likely do better but if not, I would buy it for the price that was marked since it seemed fair. Is there a group or mailing list that addresses collectors of these things? The lathe seemed to be in good shape and a working tool. Thanks, Wes Reply to my antispam address below and mark urgent so I don't miss it in the pile of crap in my in box. I cross posted this into rec.crafts.metalworking where they really DO know what this is worth. Gunner "Considering the events of recent years, the world has a long way to go to regain its credibility and reputation with the US." unknown Gunner, I've got a Southbend lathe that was installed at the RCA Sarnoff Labs in 1947, in a laboratory not the machine shop. It's got the metal bench under it with a collet drawer and the motor underneath. It's also got the taper attachment. I paid $500 for it at a sealed bid auction. I'd be willing to bet it had all of 50 hours run time on it when I got it. It really is in beautiful shape. I'll pass this 'antique' on to my grandson some day. Gary H. Lucas |
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On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 01:57:26 GMT, "Gary H. Lucas"
wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 16:41:47 -0400, wrote: I'd say sorry about the off topic post but half of them are off topic on this list and at least this is a machine tool, though not CNC. A lady my uncle knows, asked him to look at her husbands workshop and try to price some of this things. He died recently and she really isn't hurting for money but doesn't want to give things away unless it is to her kids. Her husband had a small South Bend bench lathe that he used to make parts for people in the area. Not very big, or strong, or whatever but he was getting work done with it. The details are 9" Workshop 3' bed Model 415-YA Hires (7MP Jpeg) http://wess.freeshell.org/DSC01552.JPG 3M http://wess.freeshell.org/DSC01553.JPG Not as Hires but still big: http://wess.freeshell.org/DSC01552_Q65.jpg http://wess.freeshell.org/DSC01553_Q65.jpg The tape on chuck is what a friend thought it would go for. On some items they were in the ball park and others not. I looked at a drill press that I told her she could likely do better but if not, I would buy it for the price that was marked since it seemed fair. Is there a group or mailing list that addresses collectors of these things? The lathe seemed to be in good shape and a working tool. Thanks, Wes Reply to my antispam address below and mark urgent so I don't miss it in the pile of crap in my in box. I cross posted this into rec.crafts.metalworking where they really DO know what this is worth. Gunner "Considering the events of recent years, the world has a long way to go to regain its credibility and reputation with the US." unknown Gunner, I've got a Southbend lathe that was installed at the RCA Sarnoff Labs in 1947, in a laboratory not the machine shop. It's got the metal bench under it with a collet drawer and the motor underneath. It's also got the taper attachment. I paid $500 for it at a sealed bid auction. I'd be willing to bet it had all of 50 hours run time on it when I got it. It really is in beautiful shape. I'll pass this 'antique' on to my grandson some day. Gary H. Lucas oooooo ! Post some pics in the www.metalworking.com drop box for all to enjoy. Btw... Its a marvelous place to browse. Gunner "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner |
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Top posting this since Gunner posted this here for me a while back and
thread is likely long gone on most peoples readers. The auction took place and it went for 450.00. The ways on it looked good to the naked eye. I'm starting to second guess myself on a Dayton 3/4hp vari speed drill press I dropped out of the bidding at 250.00 on. Oh well, too late now. Wes Gunner wrote: On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 16:41:47 -0400, wrote: I'd say sorry about the off topic post but half of them are off topic on this list and at least this is a machine tool, though not CNC. A lady my uncle knows, asked him to look at her husbands workshop and try to price some of this things. He died recently and she really isn't hurting for money but doesn't want to give things away unless it is to her kids. Her husband had a small South Bend bench lathe that he used to make parts for people in the area. Not very big, or strong, or whatever but he was getting work done with it. The details are 9" Workshop 3' bed Model 415-YA Hires (7MP Jpeg) http://wess.freeshell.org/DSC01552.JPG 3M http://wess.freeshell.org/DSC01553.JPG Not as Hires but still big: http://wess.freeshell.org/DSC01552_Q65.jpg http://wess.freeshell.org/DSC01553_Q65.jpg The tape on chuck is what a friend thought it would go for. On some items they were in the ball park and others not. I looked at a drill press that I told her she could likely do better but if not, I would buy it for the price that was marked since it seemed fair. Is there a group or mailing list that addresses collectors of these things? The lathe seemed to be in good shape and a working tool. Thanks, Wes Reply to my antispam address below and mark urgent so I don't miss it in the pile of crap in my in box. I cross posted this into rec.crafts.metalworking where they really DO know what this is worth. Gunner "Considering the events of recent years, the world has a long way to go to regain its credibility and reputation with the US." unknown -- Reply to: Whiskey Echo Sierra Sierra AT Alpha Charlie Echo Golf Romeo Oscar Paul dot Charlie Charlie Lycos address is a spam trap. |
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