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8 dead , 45 critically injured, including many children in LA Farmers
Market Driving Spree! Ban Cars! Register them and license their owners! No one has a need for a deadly automobile, let alone one that will travel in excess of 60 miles per hour with one push of the peddle! Ban these horrible instruments of death. Every year in the US, over 40,000 people are killed by them, and hundreds of thousands more are maimed and crippled for life! For Gods Sake,ban them for the Children! Gunner Liberals - Cosmopolitan critics, men who are the friends of every country save their own. Benjamin Disraeli |
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"Gunner" wrote in message ... 8 dead , 45 critically injured, including many children in LA Farmers Market Driving Spree! Ban Cars! Register them and license their owners! No one has a need for a deadly automobile, let alone one that will travel in excess of 60 miles per hour with one push of the peddle! Ban these horrible instruments of death. Every year in the US, over 40,000 people are killed by them, and hundreds of thousands more are maimed and crippled for life! For Gods Sake,ban them for the Children! Gunner Liberals - Cosmopolitan critics, men who are the friends of every country save their own. Benjamin Disraeli Or at least increase the tax on them so that we can form support groups and government assistance agencies! Steve |
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"Gunner" wrote in message ... 8 dead , 45 critically injured, including many children in LA Farmers Market Driving Spree! Ban Cars! Register them and license their owners! No one has a need for a deadly automobile, let alone one that will travel in excess of 60 miles per hour with one push of the peddle! If we all went to a bicycle economy and lived in villages, with maybe a train or two for travel to the city, then we would all live healthy, satisfying lives. Perhaps there would be less pressure on governments to have wars. But then populations would increase, unless you imagine satisfied people have fewer children, and the pressures would result in war, anyway. That push on the peddle by an old man was only an accident, wasn't it? What will happen when we all have atomic umbrellas? bookburn |
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Ah, finally! A DIFFERENT argument that will perhaps convince a couple more
non-believers. Not. Regards, Robin "Gunner" wrote in message .. . 8 dead , 45 critically injured, including many children in LA Farmers Market Driving Spree! Ban Cars! Register them and license their owners! No one has a need for a deadly automobile, let alone one that will travel in excess of 60 miles per hour with one push of the peddle! Ban these horrible instruments of death. Every year in the US, over 40,000 people are killed by them, and hundreds of thousands more are maimed and crippled for life! For Gods Sake,ban them for the Children! Gunner I face greater danger on the daily commute to the shop than from the gun-toting gangbangers around the shop. If only I could mount some twin .50's on the front of the truck to handle the idiots in their SUV's and beamers that are too busy yakking on the phone and doing paperwork to pay attention to their driving. Les |
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Is this a case of a californian motorist meeting a 90 degree corner and
finding it to complicated to down shift, slowdown, signal and turn the big round thingy that he holds onto? ) |
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Or at least increase the tax on them so that we can form support groups and government assistance agencies! Steve I would have thought that by now in CA they restricted their cars to 10 MPH and fitted big sift people catchers all round,not so much as a public safety issue in CA its just so the rest of the US can see the callies coming and get out of the way) |
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The State of California is taking urgent steps to prevent such a tragedy
from happening again. The Californians naturally blame the car manufacturer for causing the accident, its never a Californians fault for doing something stupid. So what they are going to do is to insist car manufacturers print in large raised letters on each pedal the words " Gas" " Clutch" " Brake" and they are to be spaced at least 18 inches apart, they when pressed will not function for at least twenty seconds to ensure the Californian is certain that he is happy with his choice. He will then have to press the selected pedal again. The State of California has also agreed with the ACLU that in fairness to the US right to choose that each and every pedal will be interchangable so that californian drivers can pick which pedal they prefer in which slot. Naturally there will be an override button in the passenger seat for the californian drivers councillor. |
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Steve Day wrote: So what they are going to do is to insist car manufacturers print in large raised letters on each pedal the words " Gas" " Clutch" " Brake" P. Correctness would also require braille. ~D |
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Gunner wrote in message . ..
Ok, you can also kill damn squirels with you gun, I give you that one. Humanely, otherwise a pellet gun would cause cruel and painful unnecesary suffering. Nasty beasts they are. I need Cliff to take over. Where's he? Dan |
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"Steve Day" wrote in message ...
The State of California is taking urgent steps to prevent such a tragedy from happening again. The Californians naturally blame the car manufacturer for causing the accident, its never a Californians fault for doing something stupid. So what they are going to do is to insist car manufacturers print in large raised letters on each pedal the words " Gas" " Clutch" " Brake" and they are to be spaced at least 18 inches apart, they when pressed will not function for at least twenty seconds to ensure the Californian is certain that he is happy with his choice. He will then have to press the selected pedal again. The State of California has also agreed with the ACLU that in fairness to the US right to choose that each and every pedal will be interchangable so that californian drivers can pick which pedal they prefer in which slot. Naturally there will be an override button in the passenger seat for the californian drivers councillor. You forgot some of the more important restrictions. 1. Compact cars (i.e., easily concealable) will be banned. 2. You will have at least a 5-day waiting period between the time you buy it and when you can pick it up. 3. You will have to pass a federal background check prior to purchase to ensure you are not prohibited from driving. 4. You will not be allowed to purchase more than one car in a month. 5. You will need a local Sheriff to sign the purchase permit. 6. If you are convicted of a felony, or are under a domestic restraining order, your purchase, possession, and/or use of a car will be a separate felony requiring a minimum 5-year prison sentence. |
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Dave wrote:
Steve Day wrote: So what they are going to do is to insist car manufacturers print in large raised letters on each pedal the words " Gas" " Clutch" " Brake" P. Correctness would also require braille. ~D In California it would need to be printed in probably about 6-8 languages -- Regards, Steve Saling aka The Garlic Dude Gilroy, CA The Garlic Capital of The World http://www.pulsareng.com/ |
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"Dave" wrote in message ... Steve Day wrote: So what they are going to do is to insist car manufacturers print in large raised letters on each pedal the words " Gas" " Clutch" " Brake" P. Correctness would also require braille. ~D Not so Californians believe they are perfect, so how could one of them be blind ) |
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Hell, Gunner, I say the same thing every time I have to drive into
center city Philadelphia. Then, or course, I think of you, and I remember that cars don't kill people. People kill cars. Or something like that. Then I get confused and start looking for the nearest Starbucks. Fortunately, there are lots of those in center city. Unfortunately, you can't get near one because the parking is so terrible, and the traffic is such a mess, and... uhhh... What was the question? Gunner wrote: 8 dead , 45 critically injured, including many children in LA Farmers Market Driving Spree! Ban Cars! Register them and license their owners! No one has a need for a deadly automobile, let alone one that will travel in excess of 60 miles per hour with one push of the peddle! Ban these horrible instruments of death. Every year in the US, over 40,000 people are killed by them, and hundreds of thousands more are maimed and crippled for life! For Gods Sake,ban them for the Children! Gunner Liberals - Cosmopolitan critics, men who are the friends of every country save their own. Benjamin Disraeli |
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"Tony Pratt" wrote in message om... Lewis Hartswick wrote in message ... A-Men Gunner. :-) ...lew... The designed purpose of any gun ever made is to kill or maim in the most efficient manner, clearly no other object comes into this category!! Best wishes Tony You forgot foreplay. Steve |
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On 17 Jul 2003 12:02:06 -0700, the renowned (Tony
Pratt) wrote: Lewis Hartswick wrote in message ... A-Men Gunner. :-) ...lew... The designed purpose of any gun ever made is to kill or maim in the most efficient manner, clearly no other object comes into this category!! What else are cluster bombs used for, making coleslaw? Best regards, Spehro Pefhany -- "it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward" Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com |
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"Robert A. Thurman" wrote in message s.com... ...and Spanish too. Las Vegas, Nevada County commissioners voted yesterday that children who want to use a certain public pool must fill out the proper forms IF they want a card good for three years free swimming. These forms would include information such as name, address, and parent's income. It is required for all other sections of town, and is only to verify that the child comes from a family whose income is low enough to entitle this child to this benefit. A large brouhaha has ensued because this is in a Hispanic neighborhood, and the parents either do not want to, or can't fill out the paperwork. They are afraid of providing ANY information regarding their personal information. Wag the dog. Steve |
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....and Spanish too.
Have A Good One Robert A. Thurman "Dave" wrote in message ... Steve Day wrote: So what they are going to do is to insist car manufacturers print in large raised letters on each pedal the words " Gas" " Clutch" " Brake" P. Correctness would also require braille. ~D |
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Tony Pratt wrote: Lewis Hartswick wrote in message ... A-Men Gunner. :-) ...lew... The designed purpose of any gun ever made is to kill or maim in the most efficient manner, clearly no other object comes into this category!! Best wishes Tony Swords, spears, sling stones, arrows, bows, crossbows, guillotine, gas chamber, gibbet, Iron Maiden, rack, thumbscrews, electric chair, Greek fire, napalm, fougas,...... shall I continue? In addition, there are line throwing guns and avalanche initiators, both intended to save lives. David Hughes |
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"Jason Sheppard" wrote in message
om... That car killed 8 and injured 45 without having to reload (fill up). I can't do that with any gun I own, even my Glock 17 with the 33 round mag. If you got a bunch of real lucky shots, grazing a few people in a row, then outright shoot a few, you could get the same numbers... Controlled conditions of course. Tim -- In the immortal words of Ned Flanders: "No foot longs!" Website @ http://webpages.charter.net/dawill/tmoranwms |
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Gunner wrote in message . ..
8 dead , 45 critically injured, including many children in LA Farmers Market People hurt, people dead, and gunner can only try to make a joke out of it as well as another of his ****headed political statements from the heart of whackyland. Too bad some of his family wasn't included. |
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Gunner wrote:
SNIP Ban these horrible instruments of death. Every year in the US, over 40,000 people are killed by them, and hundreds of thousands more are maimed and crippled for life! For Gods Sake,ban them for the Children! Gunner Well actually, we don't want an outright ban on ALL cars. We only want to ban those nasty assault cars. You know... the ones with more than three cylinders and wheel diameters over ten inches. And it goes without saying, no high capacity gearboxes... the ones with more than two speeds. (One for forward and one for reverse) G Big-T |
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Gary Coffman wrote:
On 17 Jul 2003 12:02:06 -0700, (Tony Pratt) wrote: The designed purpose of any gun ever made is to kill or maim in the most efficient manner, clearly no other object comes into this category!! On the domestic front, the CDC reports that 1 in 42 gunshot wounds are fatal, while 1 in 7 stabbing attacks are fatal. That makes an attack by a knife wielding assailant 8 times more likely to prove fatal than an attack by an assailant with a gun. (The explanation for this disparity is that a knife wielding assailant is more likely to press home the attack, and keep stabbing until the victim ceases to twitch than is an assailant with a firearm.) Firstly, you're comparing knife *attacks* with gunshot *wounds*, clearly non-sequitur. Secondly, no matter how I run the math, I don't get a 8x difference. 6x, yes, 8x, no. |
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"Tim Williams" wrote in message ...
"Jason Sheppard" wrote in message om... That car killed 8 and injured 45 without having to reload (fill up). I can't do that with any gun I own, even my Glock 17 with the 33 round mag. If you got a bunch of real lucky shots, grazing a few people in a row, then outright shoot a few, you could get the same numbers... Controlled conditions of course. Tim Yeah, but I was talking about _me_ Why do you think i have a 33 round mag in the first place...i'm a lousy shot Jason |
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On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 03:58:47 GMT, Gunner
wrote: 8 dead , 45 critically injured, including many children in LA Farmers Market Driving Spree! Ban Cars! Register them and license their owners! No one has a need for a deadly automobile, let alone one that will travel in excess of 60 miles per hour with one push of the peddle! Ban these horrible instruments of death. Every year in the US, over 40,000 people are killed by them, and hundreds of thousands more are maimed and crippled for life! For Gods Sake,ban them for the Children! Gunner Liberals - Cosmopolitan critics, men who are the friends of every country save their own. Benjamin Disraeli yeah. And send your contributions to MAGOO (mothers against geezers operating oldsmobiles). Hang up posters of the dead people all over Florida's Fossil Riviera and get celebrities to whine about the whole thing on TV. Hangin' is too good for these old farts that take to the road knowingly impaired by the ravages of age. |
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8 Murdered, 45 critically injured in LA Spree (what a moron)
Only a moron with need to shoot his mouth off (apt screen name) would try to
make a parody out of a very tragic event. Since he still hasn't sent his $20 to the Red Crescent, maybe he'll send $20 to the victim"s families as payment for his making a lame joke at their expense. -- Regards, Dewey Clark http://www.historictimekeepers.com Ebay Sales: http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAP...ems&userid=dsc Restorations, Parts for Hamilton M21s, Products for Craftsmen Makers of Historic Timekeepers Ultrasonic Clock Cleaning Solution "Gunner" wrote in message ... 8 dead , 45 critically injured, including many children in LA Farmers Market Driving Spree! Ban Cars! Register them and license their owners! No one has a need for a deadly automobile, let alone one that will travel in excess of 60 miles per hour with one push of the peddle! Ban these horrible instruments of death. Every year in the US, over 40,000 people are killed by them, and hundreds of thousands more are maimed and crippled for life! For Gods Sake,ban them for the Children! Gunner Liberals - Cosmopolitan critics, men who are the friends of every country save their own. Benjamin Disraeli |
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Tony Pratt wrote:
Lewis Hartswick wrote in message ... A-Men Gunner. :-) ...lew... The designed purpose of any gun ever made is to kill or maim in the most efficient manner, clearly no other object comes into this category!! Best wishes Tony WRONG! I can show you any number of guns that were specivically designed and built for the one and only purpose of punching holes in paper. I've had a few over the years. ...lew... |
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If only I could mount some twin .50's on the front of the truck to handle the
idiots in their SUV's and beamers that are too busy yakking on the phone and doing paperwork to pay attention to their driving. Les Those in the know call em Bimmers, Les. Unless of course, you're talking bikes. Health & Peace, Uncle Lucky |
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"Jason Sheppard" wrote in message om... (Tony Pratt) wrote in message . com... Lewis Hartswick wrote in message ... A-Men Gunner. :-) ...lew... The designed purpose of any gun ever made is to kill or maim in the most efficient manner, clearly no other object comes into this category!! Swords, spears, bows and crossbows all have significant advantages (as well as glaring disadvantages) over guns. That car killed 8 and injured 45 without having to reload (fill up). I can't do that with any gun I own, even my Glock 17 with the 33 round mag. What's your point? Jason The point, obviously, is you are underarmed. Think belt feed. Dan |
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The designed purpose of any gun ever made is to kill or maim in the
most efficient manner, clearly no other object comes into this category!! Rubish! What do you do with a sword? Ted |
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On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 23:35:08 +1000, "Myal"
wrote: "Lennie the Lurker" wrote in message . com... "Mysterion" wrote in message thlink.net... Or is your head so far up your ass that you can't understand simple logic? It's obvious that there are a lot of people that gummer dragged in from his wacky groups that don't think others deserve any consideration and that maybe there might be something wrong with their simple minded lack of consideration. There isn't a goddam one of you that knows if the families of some of the victims are reading the group, but it doesn't bother you to treat it like a joke. Gunner is the ****ing joke, a subhuman in every respect. Quit your goddam crossposting from drivel and wacko groups. This is rec.crafts.metalworking, not alt.sicko. On the flipside, This is a serious thing to consider. Yep. Which is why civilized societies demand that drivers take an annual driving test to prove competency after a certain age. The old guy did damage in human terms similar to that done by a suicide bomber , but used nothing like explosives or bullets , he used a car . True, and he exceeded the damage achieved by many suicide bombers. It could be something to watch out for , like people driving airplanes in to big buildings . Who suspected airplanes could be used to kill so many people ? There are many issues involved here, but there are some major ones. Firstly, when designing any structure or system there is almost always a conflict between cost and safety, so what does an engineer, or a company employing him, try to design for? A simple example is storm water drains in a city. Sure, it may be possible to provide enough drainage to allow for any conceivable amount of rainfall at any time in the next century or so. However, it won't be cheap to provide such a system, and the large drainage pipes required may never be needed. So there is going to be a "tradeoff" between a system that is cheap and allows for periodic flooding when its capacity is exceeded or an expensive system which will prevent flooding. Safety doesn't "sell". If it did, everyone would have smoke alarms, wear seat belts without the necessity for laws, and so on. When city politicians are planning a storm water system, they try to keep costs down to keep the taxpayers happy, whether doing it themselves or asking for some company to bid on the project. Suppose that, historically, such flooding rains happen 3 or 4 times a century. Do most politicians care? ....And will a company bidding on such a project win a bid if they come up with a good system rather than a cheap system? As I understand it, when the WTC was designed, it was designed for the very unlikely event of an actual accident involving a passenger airliner at the time, probably one lost in bad weather conditions, with no air traffic control, at the end of a long flight with minimum fuel load. The WTC wasn't designed for much larger aircraft, with a large fuel load, deliberately flown into the buildings. It probably isn't possible to design such a structure for such an event, actually. Certainly not economical to do so. Perhaps we should give up the idea of skyscrapers and go back to pyramids? :-) not one bullet fired . It could be cars next . Look out for martyrs behind the wheel when you down the street next time. Good advice, and a sensible point. However, it doesn't take a lot of imagination to envision much worse possibilities involving vehicles. Which is why society needs more controls over who is behind the wheel. In Australia, we have a graded series of licenses, starting with a passenger car for private use, then a cab, then vehicles carrying more passengers or having a higher gross weight, rigid trucks, articulated trucks ["semis"] and, finally, "road trains". I wonder if all states in the US have similar systems. Or can anyone with an ordinary drivers license buy, rent, or drive anything of any passenger capacity or weight? Myal "_Magna est veritas et praevalebit"_ (Truth is mighty and will prevail). erniegalts [Australia] [misc.survivalism] |
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On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 18:37:54 GMT, "Mysterion"
wrote: "Lennie the Lurker" wrote in message . com... "Mysterion" wrote in message thlink.net... Or is your head so far up your ass that you can't understand simple logic? It's obvious that there are a lot of people that gummer dragged in from his wacky groups that don't think others deserve any consideration and that maybe there might be something wrong with their simple minded lack of consideration. There isn't a goddam one of you that knows if the families of some of the victims are reading the group, but it doesn't bother you to treat it like a joke. It doesn't matter who's reading this. Your bias against firearms is the point. If you want to give up your freedoms, that's up to you. You have no right to give up mine. Gunner is the ****ing joke, a subhuman in every respect. In general I agree. I wouldn't go this far. Other than his present tendency to tell defamatory lies about others he has shown himself to be a fairly decent human being. Or at least he was prior to Y2K. Perhaps he isn't in full control of himself these days? The only one worse than Goofer is the kind of brainless ****head who starts whining about guns being designed to kill. Even speaking as a long-time gun owner and user, I cannot deny this point. Carpenters hammers are designed to drive nails and pull nails, can openers are designed to open cans, beer glasses are designed as containers for beer. All can be used as weapons, but this isn't their primary purpose. Guns are basically designed to kill animals or people at a distance. As are bows and arrows, boomerangs, etc. Unlike knives or axes they aren't really a "multiple use" tool, and there is no point in pretending that they are. Sure, a gun can be used for "target shooting", but the purpose of this is generally to improve ones accuracy when hunting animals or killing people. There are lots of shooting clubs and target ranges for guns. If we are just talking "tools" or "skills", why aren't there an equivalent number of archery or knife throwing clubs and/or ranges? Quit your goddam crossposting from drivel and wacko groups. This is rec.crafts.metalworking, not alt.sicko. So survivalism is "drivel" and wacko"? I'm sure the Federal Government and the Red Cross would be interested to discover that their recommendations are "drivel" and "wacko". Does either organization recommend "misc.survivalism" as a usenet group? Perhaps they could or even should have prior to Y2K. However it now seems to have mainly become an extremist political group. At one time, members actually offered support to one another rather than trying to lie and defame one another. ....But, of course, an "_ubermenschen_" such as "gunner" would never be so weak and human, would he? Like some others on misc.survivalism, perhaps "gunner" was born a few decades too late for the "glories" of the Third Reich. Perhaps he dreams about a career in the "SS" or at least the "Gestapo"? "_Magna est veritas et praevalebit"_ (Truth is mighty and will prevail). erniegalts [Australia] [misc.survivalism] |
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"Ted Edwards" wrote in message
... The designed purpose of any gun ever made is to kill or maim in the most efficient manner, clearly no other object comes into this category!! Rubish! What do you do with a sword? Strike either another sword, or body armor? Tim -- In the immortal words of Ned Flanders: "No foot longs!" Website @ http://webpages.charter.net/dawill/tmoranwms |
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