Should I route the pipe inside or outside?
 

I need to route a 3" PVC drain pipe from my garage (from the washer) to the
kitchen drain.

There is an interior wall separating the kictchen and garage. The washer is
sitting against this interior wall about six feet from the exterior block
wall. The kitchen sink is against the block wall on the other side about
another 4 feet from the interior wall. So from the washer to the kitchen
sink you have to route the drain along the interior wall, then make a turn
to connect to the kitchen drain.

My question is, should I do the routing from the inside or outside?

Inside: Run the drain from the washer inside the interior wall. When we
reach the exterior wall, make a 90 degree turn and go through the interior
wall. The other side is the kitchen cabinet. Drill through the kitchen
cabinet divider and reach the sink bottom, then open up the wall from the
inside, and connect to it.

Outside: Run the drain from the washer inside the interior wall. When we
reach the exterior wall, drill a hole in the concrete block wall so the pipe
can run through. Next locate where the kitchen drain is in that wall, knock
it open. Once you see where it is, break the exterior wall from the outside
and notch a trench that will take you from there to the kitchen drain.
Connect the pipes up inside the block wall, then cover it back up with
concrete, apply stucco and repaint the outside.

Which way is better? How do one drill a three inch diameter hole through a
conrete block wall? How easy is it to chisel out a trench along the wall to
seat a 3" pipe completely inside? I think that would be a lot of work? I
think routing the pipe completely out and back in will be real bad right?

O

orangetrader wrote:
I need to route a 3" PVC drain pipe from my garage (from the washer)
to the kitchen drain.

There is an interior wall separating the kictchen and garage. The
washer is sitting against this interior wall about six feet from the
exterior block wall. The kitchen sink is against the block wall on
the other side about another 4 feet from the interior wall. So from
the washer to the kitchen sink you have to route the drain along the
interior wall, then make a turn to connect to the kitchen drain.

My question is, should I do the routing from the inside or outside?

Inside: Run the drain from the washer inside the interior wall.
When we reach the exterior wall, make a 90 degree turn and go through
the interior wall. The other side is the kitchen cabinet. Drill
through the kitchen cabinet divider and reach the sink bottom, then
open up the wall from the inside, and connect to it.

Outside: Run the drain from the washer inside the interior wall.
When we reach the exterior wall, drill a hole in the concrete block
wall so the pipe can run through. Next locate where the kitchen
drain is in that wall, knock it open. Once you see where it is,
break the exterior wall from the outside and notch a trench that will
take you from there to the kitchen drain. Connect the pipes up inside
the block wall, then cover it back up with concrete, apply stucco and
repaint the outside.

Which way is better? How do one drill a three inch diameter hole
through a conrete block wall? How easy is it to chisel out a trench
along the wall to seat a 3" pipe completely inside? I think that
would be a lot of work? I think routing the pipe completely out and
back in will be real bad right?

O

Perhaps you would like to suggest where you live. In southern Ireland
running it outside should not be a problem, in Alaska US it is not going to
be a good idea.

--
Joseph Meehan

26 + 6 = 1 It's Irish Math

Hold on there... A 3-inch drain just for a washer? Why so huge? Half
that size is typical.

Also, a block wall is only 6" thick. A 3" pipe buried inside would
require a 4" deep cut, at least, which would pretty much destroy the
integrity of the entire wall. And that wall could easily be load
bearing, too.

I'd just route a 1-1/2" pipe using your "inside" idea. Your washer hose
might not fit in the pipe, in which case just add a 2" diameter stub on
the end, with a reducer fitting.

orangetrader wrote:

I need to route a 3" PVC drain pipe from my garage (from the washer) to the
kitchen drain.
.....

Why 3"? 1-1/2 or 2 (max) would be more typical for a washer.

My first question is about the relative heights...can you get enough
drop to go 6' to an elbow and then another 4' to the down stack?
There's going to be a problem perhaps in getting good flow. Also, what
about trap and the vent?

I never had to modify my washer drain pipe. I think it's galvanized steel,
2".
I was flabbergasted once, years ago, to have a serious blockage. I had a
flood in my washing room because of it. It seems the detergent I was using
had caked the inside of the pipe, though I can't be sure. The problem
disappeared as mysteriously as it appeared. I had tried to flush the drain
with a hose, but that didn't work very well. What a mess that was.
I have long since changed to a different detergent. The problem never came
back.
A washing machine pumps a LOT of waste water in a short time.

"Duane Bozarth" wrote in message
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orangetrader wrote:

I need to route a 3" PVC drain pipe from my garage (from the washer) to
the
kitchen drain.
....

Why 3"? 1-1/2 or 2 (max) would be more typical for a washer.

My first question is about the relative heights...can you get enough
drop to go 6' to an elbow and then another 4' to the down stack?
There's going to be a problem perhaps in getting good flow. Also, what
about trap and the vent?

John B wrote:

....
A washing machine pumps a LOT of waste water in a short time.
....

I'm not sure of your intended point, but yes, the pump discharge is
pretty fast, but it's nowhere near a 3" pipe full...

But, if OP doesn't have enough (or any) slope and vent, he's asking for
trouble even if he runs a 3" drain line...

It would be nice for your readers if you'd post a picture somewhere. Your
description is inadequate, yet overly wordy. Why don't you just say the
washer is in the kitchen? I see washers in garages, against interior walls.
"Inside the interior wall" could mean inside the garage..
If it is not in the garage, why don't you put it there? Who would want a
washing maching in his or her kitchen? Or is that a DISH washer?
My vote would be to put it in the garage, with piping exterior, as long as
code allows it. Aesthetics are of minimal concern in a garage.

"orangetrader" wrote in message
...
I need to route a 3" PVC drain pipe from my garage (from the washer) to
the
kitchen drain.

There is an interior wall separating the kictchen and garage. The washer
is
sitting against this interior wall about six feet from the exterior block
wall. The kitchen sink is against the block wall on the other side about
another 4 feet from the interior wall. So from the washer to the kitchen
sink you have to route the drain along the interior wall, then make a turn
to connect to the kitchen drain.

My question is, should I do the routing from the inside or outside?

Inside: Run the drain from the washer inside the interior wall. When we
reach the exterior wall, make a 90 degree turn and go through the interior
wall. The other side is the kitchen cabinet. Drill through the kitchen
cabinet divider and reach the sink bottom, then open up the wall from the
inside, and connect to it.

Outside: Run the drain from the washer inside the interior wall. When we
reach the exterior wall, drill a hole in the concrete block wall so the
pipe
can run through. Next locate where the kitchen drain is in that wall,
knock
it open. Once you see where it is, break the exterior wall from the
outside
and notch a trench that will take you from there to the kitchen drain.
Connect the pipes up inside the block wall, then cover it back up with
concrete, apply stucco and repaint the outside.

Which way is better? How do one drill a three inch diameter hole through
a
conrete block wall? How easy is it to chisel out a trench along the wall
to
seat a 3" pipe completely inside? I think that would be a lot of work? I
think routing the pipe completely out and back in will be real bad right?

O

Point taken. Sometimes it makes sense to build or plumb in excess of code
specifications. Case in point, using "L" copper where "M" is permissible.
I like the drain pipe exterior, if "permissible." Why wouldn't it be
permissible?

"Duane Bozarth" wrote in message
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John B wrote:

...
A washing machine pumps a LOT of waste water in a short time.
...

I'm not sure of your intended point, but yes, the pump discharge is
pretty fast, but it's nowhere near a 3" pipe full...

But, if OP doesn't have enough (or any) slope and vent, he's asking for
trouble even if he runs a 3" drain line...

The block wall is 8" thick. I am located in Miami Florida so freezing is
not an issue.

About load bearing, yes that is a good point.

O

"kevin" wrote in message
oups.com...
Hold on there... A 3-inch drain just for a washer? Why so huge? Half
that size is typical.

Also, a block wall is only 6" thick. A 3" pipe buried inside would
require a 4" deep cut, at least, which would pretty much destroy the
integrity of the entire wall. And that wall could easily be load
bearing, too.

I'd just route a 1-1/2" pipe using your "inside" idea. Your washer hose
might not fit in the pipe, in which case just add a 2" diameter stub on
the end, with a reducer fitting.

Sorry for not being accurate in my description. The washer IS in the
garage. I am trying to drain the washer discharge to the kitchen sink drain
because the drain line in the garage is "blocked".

O

"John B" wrote in message
...
It would be nice for your readers if you'd post a picture somewhere. Your
description is inadequate, yet overly wordy. Why don't you just say the
washer is in the kitchen? I see washers in garages, against interior
walls.
"Inside the interior wall" could mean inside the garage..
If it is not in the garage, why don't you put it there? Who would want a
washing maching in his or her kitchen? Or is that a DISH washer?
My vote would be to put it in the garage, with piping exterior, as long as
code allows it. Aesthetics are of minimal concern in a garage.

"orangetrader" wrote in message
...
I need to route a 3" PVC drain pipe from my garage (from the washer) to
the
kitchen drain.

There is an interior wall separating the kictchen and garage. The
washer
is
sitting against this interior wall about six feet from the exterior
block
wall. The kitchen sink is against the block wall on the other side
about
another 4 feet from the interior wall. So from the washer to the
kitchen
sink you have to route the drain along the interior wall, then make a
turn
to connect to the kitchen drain.

My question is, should I do the routing from the inside or outside?

Inside: Run the drain from the washer inside the interior wall. When
we
reach the exterior wall, make a 90 degree turn and go through the
interior
wall. The other side is the kitchen cabinet. Drill through the kitchen
cabinet divider and reach the sink bottom, then open up the wall from
the
inside, and connect to it.

Outside: Run the drain from the washer inside the interior wall. When
we
reach the exterior wall, drill a hole in the concrete block wall so the
pipe
can run through. Next locate where the kitchen drain is in that wall,
knock
it open. Once you see where it is, break the exterior wall from the
outside
and notch a trench that will take you from there to the kitchen drain.
Connect the pipes up inside the block wall, then cover it back up with
concrete, apply stucco and repaint the outside.

Which way is better? How do one drill a three inch diameter hole
through
a
conrete block wall? How easy is it to chisel out a trench along the
wall
to
seat a 3" pipe completely inside? I think that would be a lot of work?
I
think routing the pipe completely out and back in will be real bad
right?

O

Thank you for the reply.
I'm still not interested in deciphering those plumbing scenarios you
painted.
Why don' t you just get a professional to unblock the existing drain line,
if you can't do it yourself? In the garage, this should be easy. I had
unplug the washer drain pipe in my in-house washroom once, and that was a
mess. It flooded repeatedly.
"orangetrader" wrote
I am trying to drain the washer discharge to the kitchen sink drain
because the drain line in the garage is "blocked".

I have already explored the suggestion you posted. To fix the crack in the
drain pipe that is currently located about 12 inches beyond the 8" thick
monolithic slab will require opening a hole on the kitchen side, ripping out
the kitchen cabinets for access, and ripping out tiles that has no
replacement. There is no access from the garage side because there is a
intermediate concrete footing that runs along the separation wall between
the kitchen and garage. Alternative 2 is to have someone dig a tunnel 6
feet long from the side under the house to fix it, either way the cost is
extremely high and has other side impact that may exceed the inconvenience
of the original problem. The soil is sandy. When the washer discharges the
water pull sand through the crack and pile sand downstream in the main line
which causes occasionally blockage. Right now my remedy is to pay $1000 a
year to clear that blockage by reverse jet sweeping.

"John B" wrote in message ...
Thank you for the reply.
I'm still not interested in deciphering those plumbing scenarios you
painted.
Why don' t you just get a professional to unblock the existing drain line,
if you can't do it yourself? In the garage, this should be easy. I had
unplug the washer drain pipe in my in-house washroom once, and that was a
mess. It flooded repeatedly.
"orangetrader" wrote
I am trying to drain the washer discharge to the kitchen sink drain
because the drain line in the garage is "blocked".

Wow. When something is "cast in concrete," it is very hard to undo.
Conversely, I rationalize horrendous challenges and accomplishments to
"pride of ownership."
It's kind of like the devotion a person might show to a sick loved one. No
effort is too great.

"orangetrader" wrote
I have already explored the suggestion you posted.

Yes.


Dimitri

OK.

"D. Gerasimatos" wrote in message
...

Yes.


Dimitri