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How much will a new gas furnace save??
I'm looking at replacing my gas furnace this coming summer. It is an original
installation, 1962 vintage. What percentage energy savings can I reasonably expect to see? Charles |
"CSA722" wrote in message ... I'm looking at replacing my gas furnace this coming summer. It is an original installation, 1962 vintage. What percentage energy savings can I reasonably expect to see? Charles Maybe Turtle or one of the HVAC guys will give you a pro's opinion. I would guess that a 1962 furnace started out at 55-60% efficiency. May not be working that well now. Modern bottom of the lines get 80%. You can buy 92+%. So with an 80% model I would figure a 20% savings. You might get more but this is conservative. Now if you have central air those numbers will really blow you away. You can expect up to 100+% improvement in operating cost over a 1962 model. Colbyt |
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"Bubba" wrote in message ... On 17 Jan 2005 02:40:48 GMT, (CSA722) wrote: I'm looking at replacing my gas furnace this coming summer. It is an original installation, 1962 vintage. What percentage energy savings can I reasonably expect to see? Charles You'll save so much that the utility company will be sending you a check each money. Will that be enough? LOL Realisticly, you could almost cut your heating bill in half. |
Realisticly, you could almost cut your heating bill in half.
I had heard that it could be this much. Just asking around disinterested (not sales oriented) areas to get some more opinions. Thanks. Charles |
CSA722 wrote:
I'm looking at replacing my gas furnace this coming summer. It is an original installation, 1962 vintage. What percentage energy savings can I reasonably expect to see? Charles Do the math. Assume the old furnace is 55% efficient. If you go to a new 80% efficient, the new furnace will use .55/.80 = .69 of the fuel required by the old one, i.e., you save 31% on the fuel. If you go to a new 92% efficient, the new will use .55/.92 = .60 of the fuel required by the old one, i.e., you save 40% on the fuel. If your gas bill is like mine, in addition to charges for the fuel, there are flat delivery fees, etc. so that the OVERALL percent savings on your gas bill will not be as great as the percent savings on the fuel alone. Additionally, consider the maintenance/repair charges for the old vs. the new furnace -- some of the new furnaces have VERY expensive parts. |
I know. I have a vintage 1980 gas furnace. I can maybe save 30% of
the fuel portion of my gas bill during the winter. Doing that math at last year's prices that's about ~$110-$125/year in savings! Like I'm going to spend $3000 for that. Even if you do get a new furnace I'd go with the more fixable 80% model or get a heat pump if you have cheap electricity like a lot of places where most is generated by nuclear or coal. |
Heat can go into the house, or up the chimney. Check the flue pipe coming
out the top when the furnace is running. Is it very hot? Well, that heat could be going into your house instead of heating the birds on the top of the chimney. The new furnaces also use less electricity. They make stuff lighter now days. I don't have any numbers, but that's how you can get a feel for the matter. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org www.mormons.com "CSA722" wrote in message ... I'm looking at replacing my gas furnace this coming summer. It is an original installation, 1962 vintage. What percentage energy savings can I reasonably expect to see? Charles |
CSA722 wrote:
I'm looking at replacing my gas furnace this coming summer. It is an original installation, 1962 vintage. What percentage energy savings can I reasonably expect to see? Charles Hi, It depends what you're installing as replacement. Old one is very low efficiency for sure(30-40% at most?) latest high efficiency furnace has way more than double that figure. And there is mid-efficiency ones at around 75%. Do your math. Tony |
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oups.com... I know. I have a vintage 1980 gas furnace. I can maybe save 30% of the fuel portion of my gas bill during the winter. Doing that math at last year's prices that's about ~$110-$125/year in savings! Like I'm going to spend $3000 for that. Even if you do get a new furnace I'd go with the more fixable 80% model or get a heat pump if you have cheap electricity like a lot of places where most is generated by nuclear or coal. Please tell me why the 80% model is more fixable? I hear this all the time from clients, and would like to know rather you actual know the difference or are just speculating. But, I'll tell the OP what I tell my clients about what the other tech told them, here it is.... They are full of ****!! ~kjpro~ |
"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
... Heat can go into the house, or up the chimney. Check the flue pipe coming out the top when the furnace is running. Is it very hot? Well, that heat could be going into your house instead of heating the birds on the top of the chimney. The new furnaces also use less electricity. They make stuff lighter now days. How does the wieght have any effect on efficiency? I mean damn, a 3/4 motor is lighter then the old 1/3 hp, but yet it pulls more amperage! Another dumb ass post from a clueless TWIT! I don't have any numbers, but that's how you can get a feel for the matter. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Something or leave. ~kjpro~ "CSA722" wrote in message ... I'm looking at replacing my gas furnace this coming summer. It is an original installation, 1962 vintage. What percentage energy savings can I reasonably expect to see? Charles |
Same reason a Chevy Cavalier is cheaper to fix than a Cadillac.
The 80% does NOT have a sealed combustion chamber (90+) do. (this can be a good thing though) Did you ever look at the complextiy of a 90+ unit, more sensors, and more things can fail. Gee whats the price difference between a variable speed motor and a standard one??? What about the components to handle that motor. Its not a basic relay I can tell you that! I personally would recommend the 80% two stage units. Fairly straight forward with the flexibility of a high heat rate to get the house up to temp. Tom Please tell me why the 80% model is more fixable? I hear this all the time from clients, and would like to know rather you actual know the difference or are just speculating. But, I'll tell the OP what I tell my clients about what the other tech told them, here it is.... They are full of ****!! ~kjpro~ |
"Sexytom976" wrote in message
oups.com... Same reason a Chevy Cavalier is cheaper to fix than a Cadillac. WRONG!! The 80% does NOT have a sealed combustion chamber (90+) do. (this can be a good thing though) Wrong, some 80% models do have sealed combustion. Did you ever look at the complextiy of a 90+ unit, more sensors, and more things can fail. Complete cough BULL****!! NO more sensors, No more complex controls, in FACT...the same number of controls and ALL of the major controls are the EXACT same part! You need to either get oout more and learn something about the trade you're in or talk about the other trade you're in, cause from your post you are not a competent HVAC tech or owner! Gee whats the price difference between a variable speed motor and a standard one??? Who said anything about the blower differences? I didn't, you do realize that you can get both models with or woth-out variable speed blower motors, don't you????? What about the components to handle that motor. Its not a basic relay I can tell you that! Here again, nobody said anything about the variable speed blower, we are talking about efficiency differences. I personally would recommend the 80% two stage units. Fairly straight forward with the flexibility of a high heat rate to get the house up to temp. Personally, I would perfer for people to keep there computers off if they are going to talk out there ass about something they know nothing about! As far as furnaces go, it all depends on the area you live and rather the payback is there to warrant the better equipment. Tom As usual, someone says 'high efficiency and everybody starts screaming...'to hard to fix', 'more problems'...well if you can't fix the 90+, you can't fix the 80+ either. ~kjpro~ Please tell me why the 80% model is more fixable? I hear this all the time from clients, and would like to know rather you actual know the difference or are just speculating. But, I'll tell the OP what I tell my clients about what the other tech told them, here it is.... They are full of ****!! ~kjpro~ |
I don't care what kind of furnace you get - if you don't teach it the
value of money, as well as wise spending habits (i.e. - is this a "want", or a "need") - it's very unlikely your furnace will save any money at all. I'd open a savings account for your furnace. It helps it to conceptualize hwo to save money. HTH. |
"Sexytom976" wrote in message oups.com... Same reason a Chevy Cavalier is cheaper to fix than a Cadillac. The 80% does NOT have a sealed combustion chamber (90+) do. (this can be a good thing though) Did you ever look at the complextiy of a 90+ unit, more sensors, and more things can fail. I don't think you have looked at a new 80% either! The 80's are pretty close to the 90% furnaces in complexity. If you compare a 30 year old 80% to todays furnaces, sure there is a big differance. The current 80% furnaces are just as full of controls as the 90% units. Heck, I think all 80% furnaces hace inducer motors now, at least I have not seen any current production 80% that are natural draft. The only differance between a 80% and a 90% these days is that 90's are condensing, so you have to deal with condensate drainage. Greg |
"CSA722" wrote in message ... Realisticly, you could almost cut your heating bill in half. I had heard that it could be this much. Just asking around disinterested (not sales oriented) areas to get some more opinions. Thanks. Charles If your old furnace is 60% efficiant, 40 cents of every dollar you spend on gas goes up the chimney. If your new furnace is 95% efficant 5 cents of every dollar goes out the vent. You will save 35 cents of every dollar you spend. If you spend $500 a winter for fuel, you will save $175 for the winter. $1000 a winter for fuel, you save $350. $2000 a winter for fuel, you save $700. If you live in the snow belt it probably would be worth changing out. If you live in the south, it will never pay off! Insulation and weather stripping is a better deal yet. Make sure you have your house tight as resonable. Greg |
'I'm looking at replacing my gas furnace this coming summer. It is an
original installation, 1962 vintage. What percentage energy savings can I reasonably expect to see? Charles ' Your present furnace is most likely operating in the range of 50-55% if its been regularly maintained ; not only will you see very good savings in gas ,but, you will find an increase in air volume due to the beefier blower assemblys that come in modern furnaces. Have contractors perform a detailed Heating Load Estimate on your home so your replacement furnace is accurately sized. I personally prefer the 90 plus / 2 stage gas furnaces . |
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