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What underground telephone cable to use when stringing from pole to house

I am having an addition put on where the telephone cable currently
enters the house. Cavalier telephone has not responded to my request to
reroute the cable other than "it will be very expensive".

So when the contractors cut the cable I will be left with a dangling
bit of aerial wire that I will run underground ( 6- 8 ") about 150 feet
to the NIC box. Questions:
1. What kind of connector can I use to splice the aerial cable to
the new cable?
2. What kind of cable should I use for underground wiring? I dont
want to run conduit if I can help it. BTW I have DSL so quality of
signal matters.
3. Most importantly, Are there instructions anywhere for this?
TIA

Avery

Avery wrote:
I am having an addition put on where the telephone cable currently
enters the house. Cavalier telephone has not responded to my request
to reroute the cable other than "it will be very expensive".

So when the contractors cut the cable I will be left with a dangling
bit of aerial wire that I will run underground ( 6- 8 ") about 150
feet to the NIC box. Questions:
1. What kind of connector can I use to splice the aerial cable to
the new cable?
2. What kind of cable should I use for underground wiring? I dont
want to run conduit if I can help it. BTW I have DSL so quality of
signal matters.
3. Most importantly, Are there instructions anywhere for this?
TIA

Avery

Is the the Cavalier Telephone in Virginia?

Note that you can't really do what you are proposing without running afoul
of the Cavalier Tariff: Since you apparently have competition in the area,
how about calling the other phone company and seeing if they will relocate
the service for you for free (in exchange for changing carriers). Then call
Cavalier back and ask if they'd like to match the offer.
http://www.cavtel.com/company/tarriffs/FCC%201.pdf

2.1.6 Provisions of Equipment and Facilities, (cont)

B. The Company shall use reasonable efforts to maintain facilities and
equipment that it furnishes to the Customer. The Customer may not, nor may
the Customer permit others to, rearrange, disconnect, remove, attempt to
repair or otherwise interfere with any of the facilities or equipment
installed by the Company, except upon the written consent of the Company.

I'd call the phone company back, ask for a supervisor. As far as I know
the telco is responsible for all costs of delivering service to your
house, and you are responsible for the inside part.

"Avery" wrote in message
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I am having an addition put on where the telephone cable currently
enters the house. Cavalier telephone has not responded to my request to
reroute the cable other than "it will be very expensive".

So when the contractors cut the cable I will be left with a dangling
bit of aerial wire that I will run underground ( 6- 8 ") about 150 feet
to the NIC box. Questions:
1. What kind of connector can I use to splice the aerial cable to
the new cable?
2. What kind of cable should I use for underground wiring? I dont
want to run conduit if I can help it. BTW I have DSL so quality of
signal matters.
3. Most importantly, Are there instructions anywhere for this?
TIA

Avery

Your looking for direct bury wire. A quick google found 29000+ entrees
unfortunately the first one I looked at was $1042.00 a thousand. You would
have to buy a reel from them.

Contact some electrical supply houses. Ask specifically for "end of
reel"times distance that you need. Me thinks that this will be for naught. I
doubt that you will find any reels of wire less than 500 feet long. Try
Johnstone supply, and WW Grainger.

You need ug cable whether or not you use conduit. Personally I would put in
conduit.
As for the other questions, I can not see what you have and your description
is vague.

Call a contractor and make sure that they test the installed line. BEFORE
you pay them. I do not mean continuity.

I have RJ-11/12 and RJ-45 testers that I use to determine if the installed
line meets the specs of the cable and or the job.

In misc.consumers.house Travis Jordan wrote:
Avery wrote:
I am having an addition put on where the telephone cable currently
enters the house. Cavalier telephone has not responded to my request
to reroute the cable other than "it will be very expensive".

So when the contractors cut the cable I will be left with a dangling
bit of aerial wire that I will run underground ( 6- 8 ") about 150
feet to the NIC box. Questions:
1. What kind of connector can I use to splice the aerial cable to
the new cable?
2. What kind of cable should I use for underground wiring? I dont
want to run conduit if I can help it. BTW I have DSL so quality of
signal matters.
3. Most importantly, Are there instructions anywhere for this?
TIA

Avery

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2.1.6 Provisions of Equipment and Facilities, (cont)

B. The Company shall use reasonable efforts to maintain facilities and
equipment that it furnishes to the Customer. The Customer may not, nor may
the Customer permit others to, rearrange, disconnect, remove, attempt to
repair or otherwise interfere with any of the facilities or equipment
installed by the Company, except upon the written consent of the Company.

Also be aware that, in general; the wires on the phone company side of the
NIB (network interface box) are NOT your property and cutting or
re-routing that cable could lead to a court appearance. Wire on your side
of the NIB is yours to do with as you choose.

I'd recommend against cutting and splicing anything on the phone side of
the NIB. You may have to bust their balls to get the work done, but they
are the ones that will need to do work on that side of the NIB.

Chris

I second that. I've never heard of anyone doing anything with the telco
side of the equipment...... not a good idea at all. Also, I wouldn't
"let the contractors cut the cable". Get the local service provider out
there, have em run a temp line until the construction is done, and then
have them come back and finish the work properly after the construction
is done, keeping in mind that you will be the one that has to reroute
all the wires from inside your house to the new location of the NIB.

Or, you can have the phone company do your internal wiring - and THAT
would be very expensive. If the people you are talking to at the phone
company told you it would be expensive to reroute your existing
incoming service line, they either misunderstood you or you talked to
the wrong person, IMO.

Avery wrote:
I am having an addition put on where the telephone cable currently
enters the house. Cavalier telephone has not responded to my request
to
reroute the cable other than "it will be very expensive".

So when the contractors cut the cable I will be left with a dangling
bit of aerial wire that I will run underground ( 6- 8 ") about 150
feet
to the NIC box. Questions:
1. What kind of connector can I use to splice the aerial cable to
the new cable?
2. What kind of cable should I use for underground wiring? I dont
want to run conduit if I can help it. BTW I have DSL so quality of
signal matters.
3. Most importantly, Are there instructions anywhere for this?
TIA

Avery

1. Let the contractor handle the problem. That's what you're paying him
for and he should have a lot of experience with those sort of things.

2. If telco is truly unresponsive, have the contractor pull the box
loose from the house, coil the wire w/box back to the pole, then notify
telco you don't have any service. You have done no harm to their
equipment. Since they will have to run a new cable anyway, you can
negotiate for an underground run.

In article .com,
Bob S. wrote:

Avery wrote:
I am having an addition put on where the telephone cable currently
enters the house. Cavalier telephone has not responded to my request
to
reroute the cable other than "it will be very expensive".

So when the contractors cut the cable I will be left with a dangling
bit of aerial wire that I will run underground ( 6- 8 ") about 150
feet
to the NIC box. Questions:
1. What kind of connector can I use to splice the aerial cable to
the new cable?
2. What kind of cable should I use for underground wiring? I dont
want to run conduit if I can help it. BTW I have DSL so quality of
signal matters.

Running conduit is actually your best option, and if you plan it properly,
you will not have to dig if your cable fails, or if you want to install
other cable at a later date.

For underground use, use at least 1" PVC conduit.. preferably a bit larger.
run it in straight lines, with as few bends as possible, and any bends
should be large radius sweep bends, to allow for cable to be pulled thru.

install non-organic pull rope, and always leave a pull rope in the conduit.

Other things to think about:

Where does your existing in-house phone wiring terminate?
Is this a good location for it?
Is there a better location?
How difficult it it to reroute the existing wiring?
Would it be worth while to extend the existing wiring to a new
location?
Do I want to wire for any other services while I am at it?
(CATV, Sat, network, home automation, security, etc..)
(installing conduit stubs to the basement or attic allows
you to change your mind later..)

Ideally, you want to have the wiring from each jack run to a central
location. You don't want to daisy-chain outlets if you can help it..
If you extend the wiring to a new location, extend all of it, don't just
extend part of it, and don't tie stuff together in some hidden location.

Note the the wiring dosen't all have to go to where the telco enters the
house.. just to a central location, and the telco wiring needs to go
there as well... if you have a utility closet, or garage wall, you can
mount a backboard, and bring everything there..

Label everything. Label everything so that the next owner of the house can
figure it out. ("rear bedroom" is more descriptive than "joe's room")

3. Most importantly, Are there instructions anywhere for this?
TIA

Avery

1. Let the contractor handle the problem. That's what you're paying him
for and he should have a lot of experience with those sort of things.

BZZT..

Never assume that a building contractor has lots of telecom experience..
Some do, some don't, and frequently the ones who claim to know what
they are doing, don't have a clue.. I've seen a lot of work that was done
by building contractors, and I've seen a lot of kludges..

I've seen cases where the contractor grabbed a sawzall, chopped a
conduit, and went "oops.. there was a telephone cable in there.."
I've spent hours in the rain replacing said damage.., as well as time spent
pulling cable in extremely awkward positions due to the contractor's ineptness
at installing the replacement conduit.

Even electrical contractors sometimes don't understand telecom.. they tend to
think in terms of 90 degree elbows, while we think in terms of large radius
sweep bends.. it makes a difference when you are trying to pull a 12 or 25
pair (or larger) cable..

Always ask questions about how the work will be performed. If in doubt,
call a telecom contractor.

2. If telco is truly unresponsive, have the contractor pull the box
loose from the house, coil the wire w/box back to the pole, then notify
telco you don't have any service. You have done no harm to their
equipment. Since they will have to run a new cable anyway, you can
negotiate for an underground run.

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-- Welcome My Son, Welcome To The Machine --
Bob Vaughan | |
| P.O. Box 19792, Stanford, Ca 94309
-- I am Me, I am only Me, And no one else is Me, What could be simpler? --

"Bob Vaughan" wrote in message
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In article .com,
Bob S. wrote:

Avery wrote:
I am having an addition put on where the telephone cable currently
enters the house. Cavalier telephone has not responded to my request
to
reroute the cable other than "it will be very expensive".

Avery
2. If telco is truly unresponsive, have the contractor pull the box
loose from the house, coil the wire w/box back to the pole, then notify
telco you don't have any service. You have done no harm to their
equipment. Since they will have to run a new cable anyway, you can
negotiate for an underground run.

I hate to "rain on your parade" BUT you'd better check with the Telco and
find out if they have a clause in their "agreement" with the State's Public
Utility Commissioner (or appropriate department) that they can level a
maximum "fine" on a customer, contractor, or etc. for "pulling off" or
"moving" their "demarcation box" or "point of attachment"!! Here in Oregon
Quest and all other Telco utilities have this, and they are quick to
"threaten" someone with the fine. BUT they are slooooooooow to schedule one
of their people to come to your construction project and "plan" the removal
and respotting of their equipment!! I usually tell them not to worry, that
my next call is to the PUC, letting THEM know I will be moving the Telco
equipment the next day!!!!! So far, I have had a Telco lineman there the
next day pulling two (2) screws and a strain relief and rolling the
demarcation box and wire back out of the way!!
My point is: check before you cost yourself OR your customer a FAT
fine!!
Bruce Leiby

In article ,
Richard B. $Bruce$ Leiby wrote:
In article .com,
Bob S. wrote:

Avery wrote:
I am having an addition put on where the telephone cable currently
enters the house. Cavalier telephone has not responded to my request
to
reroute the cable other than "it will be very expensive".

Avery
2. If telco is truly unresponsive, have the contractor pull the box
loose from the house, coil the wire w/box back to the pole, then notify
telco you don't have any service. You have done no harm to their
equipment. Since they will have to run a new cable anyway, you can
negotiate for an underground run.

I hate to "rain on your parade" BUT you'd better check with the Telco and
find out if they have a clause in their "agreement" with the State's Public
Utility Commissioner (or appropriate department) that they can level a
maximum "fine" on a customer, contractor, or etc. for "pulling off" or
"moving" their "demarcation box" or "point of attachment"!! Here in Oregon
Quest and all other Telco utilities have this, and they are quick to
"threaten" someone with the fine. BUT they are slooooooooow to schedule one
of their people to come to your construction project and "plan" the removal
and respotting of their equipment!! I usually tell them not to worry, that
my next call is to the PUC, letting THEM know I will be moving the Telco
equipment the next day!!!!! So far, I have had a Telco lineman there the
next day pulling two (2) screws and a strain relief and rolling the
demarcation box and wire back out of the way!!
My point is: check before you cost yourself OR your customer a FAT
fine!!
Bruce Leiby

Of course there is a way around this.. If the demarc location is going to
be torn out for the new addition, simply have the contractor cut out the
section of wall where the demarc is mounted, as well as any other attachments..
that way you are not tampering in any way with the telco equipment, since it
is still attached to the wall.. the fact that the wall section is no longer
attached to the house is none of the telco's business..

--
-- Welcome My Son, Welcome To The Machine --
Bob Vaughan | |
| P.O. Box 19792, Stanford, Ca 94309
-- I am Me, I am only Me, And no one else is Me, What could be simpler? --

Bob Vaughan wrote:
Of course there is a way around this.. If the demarc location is going to
be torn out for the new addition, simply have the contractor cut out the
section of wall where the demarc is mounted, as well as any other attachments..
that way you are not tampering in any way with the telco equipment, since it
is still attached to the wall.. the fact that the wall section is no longer
attached to the house is none of the telco's business..

Haha. I man after my own heart. That reminds me of an eatery on the
other side of town that petitioned the city multiple times to put up new
outside walls (for look/style reasons) and roof (for functional reasons)
and were denied every time because the city considered that a new
construction.

So, they rebuilt everything from the inside-out instead. :-)