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Oil heat mishaps
Shawn Hearn wrote:
On the way home from dinner with friends tonight, I heard on the radio (KYW in Philadelphia) that an heating oil company accidentally delivered heating oil to a home that had converted from oil to gas heating. As a result, the oil flooded the basement of this home. The home's occupants were not there at the time. The news story said another company made the same mistake a few weeks ago. Articles: It Happened Again WPVI-TV http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/news/121...ldelivery.html Oil Delivered To Wrong House KYW http://kyw.com/Local%20News/local_story_346205742.html Another similar story, from central/north New Jersey Thanks to a flood of oil, family won't be 'home for holidays' Newark Star-Ledger http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/jersey...2182258470.xml |
Greetings,
My neighbors had oil delivered to them even though they have gas heat. Apparently the Chestnut Street gang had written Chestnut Street on the side of a house on our street. The oil delivery man assumed he was on Chestnut, but wasn't. I thought it was good for a (sad) laugh. William "John" wrote in message ... Shawn Hearn wrote: On the way home from dinner with friends tonight, I heard on the radio (KYW in Philadelphia) that an heating oil company accidentally delivered heating oil to a home that had converted from oil to gas heating. As a result, the oil flooded the basement of this home. The home's occupants were not there at the time. The news story said another company made the same mistake a few weeks ago. Articles: It Happened Again WPVI-TV http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/news/121...ldelivery.html Oil Delivered To Wrong House KYW http://kyw.com/Local%20News/local_story_346205742.html Another similar story, from central/north New Jersey Thanks to a flood of oil, family won't be 'home for holidays' Newark Star-Ledger http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/jersey...2182258470.xml |
IMO, that fault lies with the people that installed the gas equipment. The
should have removed the oil fill when the pulled the tank. "John" wrote in message ... Shawn Hearn wrote: On the way home from dinner with friends tonight, I heard on the radio (KYW in Philadelphia) that an heating oil company accidentally delivered heating oil to a home that had converted from oil to gas heating. As a result, the oil flooded the basement of this home. The home's occupants were not there at the time. The news story said another company made the same mistake a few weeks ago. Articles: It Happened Again WPVI-TV http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/news/121...ldelivery.html Oil Delivered To Wrong House KYW http://kyw.com/Local%20News/local_story_346205742.html Another similar story, from central/north New Jersey Thanks to a flood of oil, family won't be 'home for holidays' Newark Star-Ledger http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/jersey...01362182258470 ..xml |
Oil in a basement would make a house uninhabitlble for perhaps months of
repeated cleanings. I saw a 100 ft yacht on vacation the dock worker pumped the diesel in the water tanks. Their vacation was terminated. I dought cleaning would ever cure it and big water tanks dont come out easily. |
John wrote:
Shawn Hearn wrote: On the way home from dinner with friends tonight, I heard on the radio (KYW in Philadelphia) that an heating oil company accidentally delivered heating oil to a home that had converted from oil to gas heating. As a result, the oil flooded the basement of this home. The home's occupants were not there at the time. The news story said another company made the same mistake a few weeks ago. Articles: It Happened Again WPVI-TV http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/news/121...ldelivery.html Oil Delivered To Wrong House KYW http://kyw.com/Local%20News/local_story_346205742.html Another similar story, from central/north New Jersey Thanks to a flood of oil, family won't be 'home for holidays' Newark Star-Ledger http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/jersey...2182258470.xml The oil delivery guy was an ignoramus who should have lost his job immediately. When he didn't hear a whistling overfill alarm signal within a couple of seconds after opening the hose nozzle he should have known something was wrong and slammed the nozzle closed. IMO the oil company is liable and to a lesser degree the jerks who dragged off the old fuel oil tank without removing or at least capping off the fillpipe on the inside of the house. (In earlier days I happen to have spent a dozen years as CE of The Scully Signal Company which developed the "Ventalarm" whistling fuel oil tank fill signal in the 30s and still making them today.) A somewhat reverse situation happened to a $1 mil plus house near me two winters ago. The owners had put it on the market and moved to a home in the next state. In order to make it salable per local codes they had to remove its underground 1000 gallon fuel oil tank, which they replaced with an above ground 275 gallon tank behind the house. The contractor who did the work for them (It was not their oil company.) partially filled the new "275" with some of oil from the 1000 gallon tank they removed. No one thought to inform the fuel oil company, which, thinking they still had a 1000 gallon tank, and based on the date of that tank's last fill and the degree days which had transpired, didn't make an "automatic" delivery in time to keep the 275 gallon tank from running dry. The heat went off, pipes froze and burst and water kept running until it emerged outside the house where I happened to be the one who noticed rivers of brown ice running down one of their garage doors from somewhere inside the house. http://home.comcast.net/~jwisnia18/freezer.jpg I took on the unpleasant task of calling and breaking the the bad news to the owners. The damage to the interior of their house was terrible to observe. My own thoughts about the smarts of a homeowner who'd leave a house unoccupied during a New England winter without so much as a low temperature remote alarm system or even simply turning off the house's main water valve are best left unsaid. Jeff -- Jeffry Wisnia (W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE) "As long as there are final exams, there will be prayer in public schools" |
"Jeff Wisnia" wrote When he didn't hear a whistling overfill alarm signal within a couple of seconds after opening the hose nozzle he should have known something was wrong and slammed the nozzle closed. Not all tanks have whistles. Should they? Sure. But, as I said, not all do. The lack of a simple Scully can ruin one's day... |
Dr. Hardcrab wrote:
"Jeff Wisnia" wrote When he didn't hear a whistling overfill alarm signal within a couple of seconds after opening the hose nozzle he should have known something was wrong and slammed the nozzle closed. Not all tanks have whistles. Should they? Sure. But, as I said, not all do. The lack of a simple Scully can ruin one's day... Agreed, but in the absence of a whistling tank fill signal the only acceptable alternative IMO is to be able to get to the tank and check the available volume with the tank gage or by sticking the tank, before starting to pump as much as one gallon into it. Anything less is taking too big a chance, and my sympathies go to any fuel oil delivery truck operators who are pushed by their bosses to fill the customer's tank "regardless". Way back when we didn't lust for so much material goods and have so much of what we earned confiscated to fund welfare programs most wife's jobs were maintaining a proper and nurturing environment for their children. So, there was usually someone at home to receive an oil delivery. Typically there were two guys with the tank truck, one to go down in the basement and watch the tank level, and the other outside to handle the hose and nozzle. When the tank was safely full the guy inside would bang on the fillpipe with his wrench to signal the guy outside to stop filling. The development of the whistling signal by Scully in the 30s made "unattended delivery" by one operator possible, as access to the tank was no longer required in order to make a safe fill. As you pointed out, it is a marvelously simple and virtually fail-safe device. Thanks for the mammaries, and Happy Holidays, Jeff -- Jeffry Wisnia (W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE) "As long as there are final exams, there will be prayer in public schools" |
"Jeff Wisnia" wrote in message ... Dr. Hardcrab wrote: "Jeff Wisnia" wrote When he didn't hear a whistling overfill alarm signal within a couple of seconds after opening the hose nozzle he should have known something was wrong and slammed the nozzle closed. Not all tanks have whistles. Should they? Sure. But, as I said, not all do. The lack of a simple Scully can ruin one's day... Agreed, but in the absence of a whistling tank fill signal the only acceptable alternative IMO is to be able to get to the tank and check the available volume with the tank gage or by sticking the tank, before starting to pump as much as one gallon into it. Sounds good but not realistic. Many people are not home and the tanks are in the basement. which means the delivery guy cannot verify anything and you typically can't stick an inside tank. Also the idea of listening for the whistle will only minimize damage. Modern oil delivery trucks can pump at 50 gallons or more a minute. So even a quick "squirt" can put 25 gallons into a basement if someone were to remove a tank and leave the fill intact. Most of the blame rests with whoever did the gas install. Even if they decided to leave the fill lines in place they could have removed the fill cap and installed a $1.00, 2" black cap so no one could accidently fill. Anything less is taking too big a chance, and my sympathies go to any fuel oil delivery truck operators who are pushed by their bosses to fill the customer's tank "regardless". Way back when we didn't lust for so much material goods and have so much of what we earned confiscated to fund welfare programs most wife's jobs were maintaining a proper and nurturing environment for their children. So, there was usually someone at home to receive an oil delivery. Typically there were two guys with the tank truck, one to go down in the basement and watch the tank level, and the other outside to handle the hose and nozzle. When the tank was safely full the guy inside would bang on the fillpipe with his wrench to signal the guy outside to stop filling. The development of the whistling signal by Scully in the 30s made "unattended delivery" by one operator possible, as access to the tank was no longer required in order to make a safe fill. As you pointed out, it is a marvelously simple and virtually fail-safe device. Thanks for the mammaries, and Happy Holidays, Jeff -- Jeffry Wisnia (W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE) "As long as there are final exams, there will be prayer in public schools" |
George wrote:
"Jeff Wisnia" wrote in message ... Dr. Hardcrab wrote: "Jeff Wisnia" wrote When he didn't hear a whistling overfill alarm signal within a couple of seconds after opening the hose nozzle he should have known something was wrong and slammed the nozzle closed. Not all tanks have whistles. Should they? Sure. But, as I said, not all do. The lack of a simple Scully can ruin one's day... Agreed, but in the absence of a whistling tank fill signal the only acceptable alternative IMO is to be able to get to the tank and check the available volume with the tank gage or by sticking the tank, before starting to pump as much as one gallon into it. Sounds good but not realistic. Many people are not home and the tanks are in the basement. which means the delivery guy cannot verify anything and you typically can't stick an inside tank. Also the idea of listening for the whistle will only minimize damage. Modern oil delivery trucks can pump at 50 gallons or more a minute. So even a quick "squirt" can put 25 gallons into a basement if someone were to remove a tank and leave the fill intact. True, but one of those reports said 100 gallons went in, and if the delivery guy didn't hear a whistle in the first ten seconds he should have closed the nozzle. Most of the blame rests with whoever did the gas install. Even if they decided to leave the fill lines in place they could have removed the fill cap and installed a $1.00, 2" black cap so no one could accidently fill. I think I'm inclined to lean in that direction and put more of the blame on those gas installers than the delivery guy, because capping or removing the fill line should be SOP. But since the reports both said somebody screwed up the street number, it looks like the oil company's gotta pay up. And I hope they cap off that poor guy's fillpipe while they're at it. G Think we've saucered and blown this one now? Jeff Anything less is taking too big a chance, and my sympathies go to any fuel oil delivery truck operators who are pushed by their bosses to fill the customer's tank "regardless". Way back when we didn't lust for so much material goods and have so much of what we earned confiscated to fund welfare programs most wife's jobs were maintaining a proper and nurturing environment for their children. So, there was usually someone at home to receive an oil delivery. Typically there were two guys with the tank truck, one to go down in the basement and watch the tank level, and the other outside to handle the hose and nozzle. When the tank was safely full the guy inside would bang on the fillpipe with his wrench to signal the guy outside to stop filling. The development of the whistling signal by Scully in the 30s made "unattended delivery" by one operator possible, as access to the tank was no longer required in order to make a safe fill. As you pointed out, it is a marvelously simple and virtually fail-safe device. Thanks for the mammaries, and Happy Holidays, Jeff -- Jeffry Wisnia (W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE) "As long as there are final exams, there will be prayer in public schools" -- Jeffry Wisnia (W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE) "As long as there are final exams, there will be prayer in public schools" |
George wrote:
"Jeff Wisnia" wrote in message ... Dr. Hardcrab wrote: "Jeff Wisnia" wrote When he didn't hear a whistling overfill alarm signal within a couple of seconds after opening the hose nozzle he should have known something was wrong and slammed the nozzle closed. Not all tanks have whistles. Should they? Sure. But, as I said, not all do. The lack of a simple Scully can ruin one's day... I happened to sit next to a fuel oil dealer at my Rotary Club's lunch meeting yesterday and asked him if tank overfill signals for "hidden" tanks were required by code here in Taxachusetts. He replied that they have been for as long as he can remember. He also said that the code requires capping disconnected fillpipes. I don't know nuttin about Jersey though... Happy Holidays, Jeff Agreed, but in the absence of a whistling tank fill signal the only acceptable alternative IMO is to be able to get to the tank and check the available volume with the tank gage or by sticking the tank, before starting to pump as much as one gallon into it. Sounds good but not realistic. Many people are not home and the tanks are in the basement. which means the delivery guy cannot verify anything and you typically can't stick an inside tank. Also the idea of listening for the whistle will only minimize damage. Modern oil delivery trucks can pump at 50 gallons or more a minute. So even a quick "squirt" can put 25 gallons into a basement if someone were to remove a tank and leave the fill intact. Most of the blame rests with whoever did the gas install. Even if they decided to leave the fill lines in place they could have removed the fill cap and installed a $1.00, 2" black cap so no one could accidently fill. Anything less is taking too big a chance, and my sympathies go to any fuel oil delivery truck operators who are pushed by their bosses to fill the customer's tank "regardless". Way back when we didn't lust for so much material goods and have so much of what we earned confiscated to fund welfare programs most wife's jobs were maintaining a proper and nurturing environment for their children. So, there was usually someone at home to receive an oil delivery. Typically there were two guys with the tank truck, one to go down in the basement and watch the tank level, and the other outside to handle the hose and nozzle. When the tank was safely full the guy inside would bang on the fillpipe with his wrench to signal the guy outside to stop filling. The development of the whistling signal by Scully in the 30s made "unattended delivery" by one operator possible, as access to the tank was no longer required in order to make a safe fill. As you pointed out, it is a marvelously simple and virtually fail-safe device. Thanks for the mammaries, and Happy Holidays, Jeff -- Jeffry Wisnia (W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE) "As long as there are final exams, there will be prayer in public schools" -- Jeffry Wisnia (W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE) "As long as there are final exams, there will be prayer in public schools" |
Jeff Wisnia wrote:
George wrote: "Jeff Wisnia" wrote in message ... Dr. Hardcrab wrote: "Jeff Wisnia" wrote When he didn't hear a whistling overfill alarm signal within a couple of seconds after opening the hose nozzle he should have known something was wrong and slammed the nozzle closed. Not all tanks have whistles. Should they? Sure. But, as I said, not all do. The lack of a simple Scully can ruin one's day... I happened to sit next to a fuel oil dealer at my Rotary Club's lunch meeting yesterday and asked him if tank overfill signals for "hidden" tanks were required by code here in Taxachusetts. He replied that they have been for as long as he can remember. He also said that the code requires capping disconnected fillpipes. I don't know nuttin about Jersey though... Has been required in NJ for many decades. |
Its the homeowners responsibility to take care of a capped tank.
The company that removed the unit should really be held liable for this mess. Oil company has nothing to do with the damage. Its an unfortunate accident but thats it. Around here in NY is required to have the pipes either capped or removed from the outside of the home. Tom |
Every once in awhile I still hear about overfilled oil tanks or worse, the
disconnected fill line. Seems to me like one answer would be to take a can of that expanding foam "Great STuff" and pack that into the fill pipe. Would keep oil from filling the cellar, and provide a very minimal insullation. I'd guess that the gas installers took the pipe off with a sawzall, which doesn't leave much threads to cap the indoor end. -- Christopher A. Young Keep Jesus Christ in CHRISTmas www.lds.org www.mormons.com "Jeff Wisnia" wrote in message news:a9GdneKd0Km34FncRVn- I happened to sit next to a fuel oil dealer at my Rotary Club's lunch meeting yesterday and asked him if tank overfill signals for "hidden" tanks were required by code here in Taxachusetts. He replied that they have been for as long as he can remember. He also said that the code requires capping disconnected fillpipes. I don't know nuttin about Jersey though... Happy Holidays, Jeff Sounds good but not realistic. Many people are not home and the tanks are in the basement. which means the delivery guy cannot verify anything and you typically can't stick an inside tank. Also the idea of listening for the whistle will only minimize damage. Modern oil delivery trucks can pump at 50 gallons or more a minute. So even a quick "squirt" can put 25 gallons into a basement if someone were to remove a tank and leave the fill intact. Most of the blame rests with whoever did the gas install. Even if they decided to leave the fill lines in place they could have removed the fill cap and installed a $1.00, 2" black cap so no one could accidently fill. Anything less is taking too big a chance, and my sympathies go to any fuel oil delivery truck operators who are pushed by their bosses to fill the customer's tank "regardless". Way back when we didn't lust for so much material goods and have so much of what we earned confiscated to fund welfare programs most wife's jobs were maintaining a proper and nurturing environment for their children. So, there was usually someone at home to receive an oil delivery. Typically there were two guys with the tank truck, one to go down in the basement and watch the tank level, and the other outside to handle the hose and nozzle. When the tank was safely full the guy inside would bang on the fillpipe with his wrench to signal the guy outside to stop filling. The development of the whistling signal by Scully in the 30s made "unattended delivery" by one operator possible, as access to the tank was no longer required in order to make a safe fill. As you pointed out, it is a marvelously simple and virtually fail-safe device. Thanks for the mammaries, and Happy Holidays, Jeff -- Jeffry Wisnia (W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE) "As long as there are final exams, there will be prayer in public schools" -- Jeffry Wisnia (W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE) "As long as there are final exams, there will be prayer in public schools" |
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