Seven smoke detectors all taken down, a violation?
 

A kitchen and dining outhouse not occupied by anyone was
fitted with seven smoke detectors. They were all taken down,
put inside a pillow case and stash away in the closet. The
fireplace that uses logs to keep people warm keeps spewing
smoke into the room. The maximum ceiling height is about 17-
feet at the angled tip. Other areas is about 8-feet flat ceiling.
Occasionally, they have a drifter sleeping in this room. Is it a
violation to take all the smoke detectors down in this outhouse?

Thanks

Leroy Mowry wrote:
A kitchen and dining outhouse not occupied by anyone was
fitted with seven smoke detectors. They were all taken down,
put inside a pillow case and stash away in the closet. The
fireplace that uses logs to keep people warm keeps spewing
smoke into the room. The maximum ceiling height is about 17-
feet at the angled tip. Other areas is about 8-feet flat ceiling.
Occasionally, they have a drifter sleeping in this room. Is it a
violation to take all the smoke detectors down in this outhouse?

Thanks

That would be a local issue. Check with your county and or fire
department.

--
Joseph Meehan

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Leroy Mowry wrote:

A kitchen and dining outhouse not occupied by anyone was
fitted with seven smoke detectors. They were all taken down,
put inside a pillow case and stash away in the closet. The
fireplace that uses logs to keep people warm keeps spewing
smoke into the room. The maximum ceiling height is about 17-
feet at the angled tip. Other areas is about 8-feet flat ceiling.
Occasionally, they have a drifter sleeping in this room. Is it a
violation to take all the smoke detectors down in this outhouse?

Thanks

Man! that is some outhouse! I have never seen an outhouse with a
kitchen. How many holes has it got?

--
Robert Allison
Rimshot, Inc.
Georgetown, TX

In article , Robert Allison wrote:
Leroy Mowry wrote:

A kitchen and dining outhouse not occupied by anyone was
fitted with seven smoke detectors. They were all taken down,
put inside a pillow case and stash away in the closet. The
fireplace that uses logs to keep people warm keeps spewing
smoke into the room. The maximum ceiling height is about 17-
feet at the angled tip. Other areas is about 8-feet flat ceiling.
Occasionally, they have a drifter sleeping in this room. Is it a
violation to take all the smoke detectors down in this outhouse?

Thanks

Man! that is some outhouse! I have never seen an outhouse with a
kitchen. How many holes has it got?

It has a dining area too - probably serves "**** on a shingle".

Leroy Mowry wrote:
A kitchen and dining outhouse not occupied by anyone was
fitted with seven smoke detectors. They were all taken down,
put inside a pillow case and stash away in the closet. The
fireplace that uses logs to keep people warm keeps spewing
smoke into the room. The maximum ceiling height is about 17-
feet at the angled tip. Other areas is about 8-feet flat ceiling.
Occasionally, they have a drifter sleeping in this room. Is it a
violation to take all the smoke detectors down in this outhouse?

Thanks

Sounds perfectly fine to me. It's the angled tip which saved you.

If the drifter dies in a fire and his relatives sue it could be real bad
for the owner. Who knows talk to the city.

"Leroy Mowry" wrote in message
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A kitchen and dining outhouse not occupied by anyone was
fitted with seven smoke detectors. They were all taken down,
put inside a pillow case and stash away in the closet. The
fireplace that uses logs to keep people warm keeps spewing
smoke into the room. The maximum ceiling height is about 17-
feet at the angled tip. Other areas is about 8-feet flat ceiling.
Occasionally, they have a drifter sleeping in this room. Is it a
violation to take all the smoke detectors down in this outhouse?

Thanks

Like swimming in a pool with the light on. I do not do it, my life is worth
more than 10 bucks. Nor would I go to sleep in your home with out detectors.
I have had the experience of waking up to an fire in my home. The detectors
provided me enough time to get out.
Instead of removing the detectors why not fix the fireplace?

On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 14:32:54 GMT, someone wrote:

Occasionally, they have a drifter sleeping in this room. Is it a
violation to take all the smoke detectors down in this outhouse?

Its a violation for the drifter to sleep there. Run him off. Problem
solved.


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"Leroy Mowry" wrote in message
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A kitchen and dining outhouse not occupied by anyone was
fitted with seven smoke detectors. They were all taken down,
put inside a pillow case and stash away in the closet. The
fireplace that uses logs to keep people warm keeps spewing
smoke into the room. The maximum ceiling height is about 17-
feet at the angled tip. Other areas is about 8-feet flat ceiling.
Occasionally, they have a drifter sleeping in this room. Is it a
violation to take all the smoke detectors down in this outhouse?

Thanks

Even though 70% of fires start in a kitchen, smoke
detector ordinances usually specify that they are for
the protection of sleeping areas. So kick the drifter out.

v wrote in message
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On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 14:32:54 GMT, someone wrote:

Occasionally, they have a drifter sleeping in this room. Is it a
violation to take all the smoke detectors down in this outhouse?

Its a violation for the drifter to sleep there. Run him off. Problem
solved.


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On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 10:46:07 -0500 "John Harlow"
used 15 lines of text to write in newsgroup: alt.home.repair

Sounds perfectly fine to me. It's the angled tip which saved you.


What? Nowhere in NFPA72 has an exemption specifically for vaulted ceilings.

In fact, if smoke detection is called for by the local AHJ in a common area with
vaulted ceilings they MUST be installed at the highest point.



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On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 14:32:54 GMT ""Leroy Mowry" "
used 12 lines of text to write in newsgroup: alt.home.repair

A kitchen and dining outhouse not occupied by anyone was
fitted with seven smoke detectors. They were all taken down,
put inside a pillow case and stash away in the closet. The
fireplace that uses logs to keep people warm keeps spewing
smoke into the room. The maximum ceiling height is about 17-
feet at the angled tip. Other areas is about 8-feet flat ceiling.
Occasionally, they have a drifter sleeping in this room. Is it a
violation to take all the smoke detectors down in this outhouse?


What are you referring to as an "outhouse"? I reckon it's not an outdoor
****ter. If the building is open to the public for business, and you have a
fire alarm installed no part may be disabled without permission from the AHJ.




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"G. Morgan" wrote in message ...
On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 14:32:54 GMT ""Leroy Mowry" "
used 12 lines of text to write in newsgroup: alt.home.repair

A kitchen and dining outhouse not occupied by anyone was
fitted with seven smoke detectors. They were all taken down,
Occasionally, they have a drifter sleeping in this room. Is it a
violation to take all the smoke detectors down in this outhouse?

What are you referring to as an "outhouse"? I reckon it's not an outdoor
****ter. If the building is open to the public for business, and you have a
fire alarm installed no part may be disabled without permission from the AHJ.

It's a small house or building at a little distance from the main church;
something like an outbuilding with a toilet, kitchen, fireplace and a
large dining table. There must be a draft problem because the smoke
seems to flow fine except on certain days. This is a non-profit place,
open for the public, design for volunteers such as cooks, gardener
butlers and a place to store food. Sleeping is prohibited, but instead
of kicking someone out, they just opt for higher insurance premiums.
Does anyone think this place is violating a (N. California)
code?

In article , "Leroy Mowry" wrote:

Does anyone think this place is violating a (N. California)
code?

Why not just make a phone call to the local code enforcement authorities and
ask them?

In article , Leroy Mowry wrote:

It's a small house or building at a little distance from the main church;
something like an outbuilding with a toilet, kitchen, fireplace and a
large dining table. There must be a draft problem because the smoke
seems to flow fine except on certain days. This is a non-profit place,
open for the public, design for volunteers such as cooks, gardener
butlers and a place to store food. Sleeping is prohibited, but instead
of kicking someone out, they just opt for higher insurance premiums.
Does anyone think this place is violating a (N. California)
code?

Probably, but who cares? The important thing is that taking down the
smoke detectors is stupid and dangerous no matter what the code says.
If the church is letting people sleep there, are they also going to
provide burial services if they die there of smoke inhalation?

Fix the chimney with a better cap and put the smoke detectors back up.

Probably, but who cares? The important thing is that taking down the
smoke detectors is stupid and dangerous no matter what the code says.
If the church is letting people sleep there, are they also going to
provide burial services if they die there of smoke inhalation?

Fix the chimney with a better cap and put the smoke detectors back up.

I hereby nominate this as the best answer yet.

John Harlow wrote:

Probably, but who cares? The important thing is that taking down the
smoke detectors is stupid and dangerous no matter what the code says.
If the church is letting people sleep there, are they also going to
provide burial services if they die there of smoke inhalation?

Fix the chimney with a better cap and put the smoke detectors back up.

I hereby nominate this as the best answer yet.

And drop a woodstove in, replacing the fireplace.

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 11:03:23 -0500 "John Harlow"
used 11 lines of text to write in newsgroup: alt.home.repair



I hereby nominate this as the best answer yet.


I second the nomination.


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On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 14:26:21 GMT ""Leroy Mowry" "
used 26 lines of text to write in newsgroup: alt.home.repair

It's a small house or building at a little distance from the main church;
something like an outbuilding with a toilet, kitchen, fireplace and a
large dining table. There must be a draft problem because the smoke
seems to flow fine except on certain days. This is a non-profit place,
open for the public, design for volunteers such as cooks, gardener
butlers and a place to store food. Sleeping is prohibited, but instead
of kicking someone out, they just opt for higher insurance premiums.
Does anyone think this place is violating a (N. California)
code?


Are the smoke detectors part of a fire alarm system?


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-Graham

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On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 14:26:21 GMT, someone wrote:

...Sleeping is prohibited, but instead
of kicking someone out, they just opt for higher insurance premiums.
Does anyone think this place is violating a (N. California)
code?

Yup. Paying more for insurance doesn't constitute a code exemption.
And it amazes me how non-profits often act like that status also
provides some kind of exemption - sort of, "since we're well
intentioned, we shouldn't have to follow the laws...."

-v.


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